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good morning, and welcome to "face the nation", from inside the quicken loans arena cleveland site of the 2016 republican convention. donald trump formally announced his pick for vice president yesterday and he and running mate mike pence are getting ready too head to cleveland for official coronation of the party nominee. while the terror attack in nice and the attempted coup in turkey highlights the stakes for the next president. we will hear from him tonight. from here in cleveland we will talk at that paul manafort, calvin williams and check in with one of the finalists for vp pick, newt gingrich. plus we will have new battleground poll numbers showing where the race stands heading into the party's convention. all coming up on "face the captioning sponsored by cbs good morning and welcome to
face nation. i am john dickerson, reporting from cleveland. yesterday donald trump made it official, naming mike pence as his running mate. following that announcement the two sat down with lesley stahl for an interview that will air tonight on "60 minutes". here is a preview. >> i don't know if you can remember the last time we have seen a world this much in chaos. you even said it is spinning apart. are you both -- are you ready for this world that we are facing today? >> well, we are both ready, i have no doubt. you need toughness, we need strength, obama is weak. hillary is weak, and part of it is that, a big part of it, we need law and order, we need strong borders, we have people coming to our country who can't be vetted properly. they don't have paperwork, they don't have anything. we don't even know where they come from. >> the larger issue here is declining american power in the world.
a truly, i truly do believe history teaches weakness arouses evil and whether it be the horrific attack in france, inspired, inspired attacks here in the united states the instability in turkey that led to a coup, i think that is all a result of a foreign policy of hillary clinton and barack obama that has led from behind and that has sent an inexact unclear message about american resolve. >> let's talk about what happened in nice. horrendous carnage. horrible. >> horrible. >> you said you would declare war against isis. what exactly. >> declare war. >> when you say declare war, do you want to send american troops in there? is that what what you mean? >> we have people that hate us. we have people that want to wipe us out. we have people if given the chance in try to wipe us out. and as you know and as everyone knows, i was against the war in iraq. i was totally against it because i said it would destabilize the
middle east and it has. that's exactly what happened. it was a very bad decision. the way president obama got us out of that war was a disaster. >> you want to get us back in there? >> no. i want to win there. >> let me explain. >> declare war -- >> we have to go against isis, we have to wipe out isis. these are people -- >> with troops on the ground? >> i am going to have very few troops on the ground and unbelievable intelligence which we need which right now we don't have, we don't have the people over there. we are going to -- >> do you want to send american -- >> excuse me. and we are going to have surrounding states and very importantly get nato involved because we support nato far more than we should, frankly because we have a lot of countries who are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. we have wipe out isis and speaking of turkey, turkey is an ally. turkey can do it, can't do it by thethemselves but they have to e incentivized for whatever reason they are not. we have no choice. they can do it by them receive.
hillary clinton invented isis with her stupid policies and she is responsible for isis. she led barack obama, because i don't think he knew anything, i think he relied on her, as bernie sanders said, her judgment is so bad, she has bad judgment, bad instincts. >> >> dickerson: in addition no the war on terror they talked to lesley about how different they are and how they will deal with that in the campaign. again senate tonight on "60 minutes". and joining us now is head of -- with us on the floor as they rehearse behind us the calling of the states. at the end of this convention, people will say what about donald trump? >> well, he is ready to be president of the united states. the question his critics raise is he does he have temperament for the job? when he is alone making the tough calls, how do you fix that question? >> i think that you will see more of the man. they have seen him on the campaign trail but they haven't seen him in the boardrooms and haven't seen him up close and personal.
they have a perspective of the man but this convention is going to focus on the whole part of the personality. >> dickerson: how will it do that? >> well, it is going to be a very personal convention. you are going to have friends who would know him speaking. you are going to have people who have worked with him, both inside the company and outside of the company, so you are going to see how he built his successful career and empire. you will see how she taking care of people who, you know, he just meets through newspaper stories he reads about and has that sense of community, a sense of philanthropy so you are going to get a broader perspective of the man. >> dickerson: is this donald trump's convention or the republican convention? >> it is both but this is clearly going to be donald trump's convention. the delegates on the floor are going to be his deva dedelegate, more important the message is going to be his, the platform that was passed the past week is going to be adopted by the convention. he has a clear inference on what is the framework, principles of the republican party, for many years and the trump stamp is on that platform. so it is a combination of both,
this is a donald trump convention. >> dickerson: in that regard is donald trump reshaping the republican party or the head of it? >> well, i think a little bit of both. i think that he campaigned on specific messages of change, he talked about some things that building a wall, stopping immigration, to get a different perspective on trade and get better trade deals and try to keep american jobs here. you know, so in those areas there is going to be an evolution, but in other areas, talked about the failed clinton and obama foreign policy, the problems that isis presents as a threat to the country, i mean, all republicans, frankly all americans do. >> dickerson: when he announced his pick, mike pence, number 2 on the ticket he said frankly it is about party unity, what does that mean? >> well a couple, he wants to know when he announces the process he wants several things, he wants somebody who has experience to be president as his vice president, he wants somebody who can reach out
beyond, into the party, into people, because he is an outsider, he acknowledged and realized and he wants the party to understand that he wants the party to be part of the team. he said that was going to be important and governor pence fits those criteria. so when he announced mike pence he acknowledged the record, not just his governorship which has been very successful, as governor mike pence basically did the kind of things indiana, donald trump is talking about doing for the united states. >> dickerson: when i talked to activist and party leaders they say mike pence stabilizes trump, how does he do that? >> well, i don't know that he stabilizes donald trump, but he complements donald trump. the two of them have the same view on all of the key issues in this country but at the same time, pence brings a different perspective, pence has been a part of washington and understands how it works in washington and he will be a real partner for trump as trump comes in to break gridlock which is breaking our company. >> dickerson: governor pence said about the temporary ban
said it was offensive and unconstitutional, did he misunderstand what donald trump believed or donald trump changed his position? >> i think both -- i mean, we are viewing rhetoric here, donald trump's position on immigration is that the world is a mess, terrorism is rampant internationally, people want to come here and destabilize our country and he said in terrorist areas, geographic areas that are historically filled with rebellion we have to put a temporary suspension until we figure out what is going on and once we figure it out we will need to have a vetting process to know who we are letting in. pence. >> dickerson: but he said muslim. >> is this a revolution for donald trump or where are we on the eve of the convention? >> i think it is deeper articulation of his position. and in a more, you know, less political environment it explains what he means, and pennsylvania, governor pence totally agrees. >> dickerson: chairman of the party said he will go on an
outreach tour of african-american and hispanic areas where will he go? >> we are putting a specific schedule together but the point pence is saying we are not isolating our campaign to segments of the population but focusing on all population. we think african-americans are suffering more since president obama came to be president. we think crime is out of control. it is a direct result of failed leadership and a policies that haven't worked. and so we think that there is a basis of support to go and a carry that message. >> dickerson: donald trump in his reports talked about a rig system and how the special interests are given to hillary clinton in this convention we are at though a place where lots of money is raised from special interests?n't isn't it a part of the same rigged system donald trump put his -- >> this is institutional money into convention, it has nothing to do with donald trump, donald trump's point is that the gridlock of the last 25 years of which hillary clinton has been a, not just a member but a leader of has created a situation in the united states
where people can't afford to live even if they have jobs they can't afford to pay their bills and trade, the president -- jobs in america, all of those elements is what trump is talking about and the special interests are trying to preserve their power over the system are supporting hillary clinton, the democratic party. that's where he is looking and that is where her money comes from. that's the rigged system donald trump is trying to change a. >> dickerson: thank you. and now we go to our washington bureau and former how speaker newt gingrich. >> speaker gingrich what can we learn not from donald trump's final pick but since you were part of the vice presidential process what can we learn about donald trump in the way he ran that process? >> well, first of all, it was very methodical. he brought in an old pro and has done this many times, they are very thorough and had about 113 questions to answer, some of which were fairly exhausting. the team that vetted folks, i
had four lawyers sitting down with, sat close to me, two and a half, three hours and went over a lot of stuff. so it was a very methodical presentation, so do, donald trump, again somebody who ran a big system and made big decision and used to the idea of having experts come in and brief him on what they learn. second, the core group, paul manafort who? the campaign manager, ivanka trump and george kushner and her husband and donald junior and eric and then donald trump himself, that core group as a team was going through the entire vetting process and talking about it for several weeks and they recognized this is the first really big irrevocable decision of his presidency and that he had to take it seriously and he took it very seriously. >> dickerson: you this week referred to donald trump as a pirate. what does that mean? >> well, pirates are folks who are outside of the regular order who get things done who are
colorful, you know, just watch pirates of the caribbean. i think it is a term that mostly folks understand. he is not an establishment figure. he is not a traditional ceo of a bureaucratic corporation. he is a guy who has consistently done things that are big and bold and different, whether it is having the number 1 tv show in apprentice or having ms. universe or -- in scotland and done things outside of the norm and i think he will be, frankly a president who is very different than our normal president. >> dickerson: you have mentioned before you said you wished he was about ten percent more presidential. what you describing, when you are describing that pirate aspect does the presidency have room for that or is that just going to ache make people the jittery. >> andrew jackson and theodore roosevelt would have loved the term and lived it out, i think it is clear that this is a guy who is going to be different. if you want to break up the corrupt bureaucratic incestuous
system in washington you better have somebody who has a very strong personality and who is very willing to be in fights. you are not going to have a nice president corporate bureaucratic to come to city and dramatically change it and i think he has proven in beating 19 other candidates he has the fortitude and commitment that he has a chance of really genuinely defeating the old order and fording it, forcing it to change, which it will resist very deeply. >> dickerson: what is his biggest weakness? >> whose? trump's? >> yes. >> probably that he doesn't know the regular traditional republicans as well as he should have, because he wasn't a candidate. i mean, i was with former attorney general ed meese recently and talking about the fact that reagan had from the fall of 1965, when he first announced for governor to 1980 when he won the presidency, that is 15 years, by the time he got there, he knew everybody. trump has done something nobody else in american history has done, this is truly a stunning
historic achievement. he came into the party at the very top, he took on 16 other candidates, many of them quite good and quite serious and he won. while, you know, you are going to have certain things you haven't gotten done in that kind of story one is and i think mike pence will be a big help with this, he needed somebody o to be an ambassador to traditional republicans who have been around and suddenly startled by this new guy who has, in effect, taken over their party. >> dickerson: can i ask you about that ambassador ship? on one thing donald trump is saying the system is rig and special interests keep it rigged and she points to hillary clinton and the money she receives as corruption. mike pence takes money, how do you fix a system that is rigged when you have point to special interest contributions and your own team takes them too? >> let's draw a distinction between the legitimate process of free speech and the supreme court has defined quite clearly and the idea that you are allowed in a free society to have thoughts that you use money
to communicate your thoughts and for example, secretary clinton having 76 secret meetings while she is secretary in her office which she scrubbed from her record only the associate press finally figured this out, nobody in the media said tell us the 76 people, tell us why they were there, all apparentlily were associated with the clinton foundation. >> hillary clinton's corruption is unprecedented in american history for a presidential candidate. >> dickerson: let me ask you a time question r you disappointed you weren't picked? >> no, i think pence is a great choice. i feel very close to donald and his family, and i am confident i will have plenty of opportunity to try to help plan things and move things forward and i am looking forward to cleveland. >> dickerson: would you certain in the cabinet, quickly? >> i would certainly serve in the cabinet, preferably naah position he and i would work outment. >> dickerson: all right, speaker again fritsche, thank you so much and be back in a
governor, haley barbour. governor barber you are going to gavel this to order, do you expect any shenanigans from the stop trump movement. >> i don't think. so i think people realize the republican voters of america have spoken. donald trump was not my first choice. he got more votes in the republican primary than any other republican in the history of our party. he won a huge victory and i think people, some people who worked for him, will work us out of that. >> dickerson: i have had a lot of conversations with people who are kind of looking around, they are reconciled to fact he got the nomination but they are still nervous. mike pence maybe helps that but still nervous about what is going to happen to this republican party s that what you see? >> well, i think people recognize that both parties have nominated the most negatively perceived candidates nominees for the presidency in the history of polling. the, probably in the history of the country so of course people worry about that, but i think
this convention will help donald, donald trump, i think the conventions are actually a great big tv show and in this tv show they are going to learn a whole lot more about donald trump, not, i think they will like what they learn. mike pence and the democrats will try to make him out to be an 0 ogre and she such a nice man, me ask a gentleman and nice to everybody i think you are going to like mike pence, he has been a very, very good congressman and governor and well received. >> dickerson: when you think about this, this convention, i mean, is this -- donald trump's convention? is this the republican party? which way -- >> you know, john, i ran this convention in 1996 and bob dole with our nominee. it is republican party's convention but it is totally colored by the nominee. if you go back to 1996, the closest the election ever was in our polling was wednesday night in a convention. and i think this convention will be good for donald trump. we have seen the polls are closing up much, much closer
than not very long ago, and i think this will be good, but neither of these conventions are going to be -- >> dickerson: because there are a lot of people wh who who aren't showing up, a lot of analysts even republicans thought were the future of the republican party, senator rubio, governor nikki haley, susan martinez, they are not anywhere in evidence, is that a problem for the republican party? >> for some of those people, like marco rubio she running for reelection and he needs to be in ohio, people who are running for office, they need to be where they are. we have got 24 senators who are up for reelection this year who are republicans, and candidly, unless something, they are much better off to take this week in their own states, for their own elections. >> dickerson: how about the governor of ohio, though he is a governor of the state where the convention is and he is missing in action? >> well, you know, party -- enthusiastically support the
nominee. for me, i have voted for john kasich in our primary in mississippi. trump was not my first choice but my momma used to say life is a series of choices and the if the choice is between donald trump and hillary clinton i will be for donald trump every time. >> dickerson: as we can here in the, hear in the background they are still rehearsing. there are party leaders who say about the raising of money, has donald trump hurt the ability to raise money. >> in his campaign for the nomination they didn't really take that very seriously. it has to be taken seriously. a lot of people don't remember, barack obama out spent hillary and now hillar hillary clinton s raising enough money to burn a wet mule and we need to get enough money to get the mental out. but is this decided, it isn't decided by money but you need enough money to get your message out and we are behind the curve but we have time to catch up. >> dickerson: all right. governor haley barbour, thanks
>> dickerson: nationally, the race between donald trump and hillary clinton is dead even, and our cbs news battleground tracker says that is also the case in 11 battleground states, hillary clinton leads donald trump by one point in those 11, but that is within the margin of error, joining us now for analysis and more is cbs news director of elections, anthony salvanto, so anthony heading into the convention, what is the state of the trump coalition? >> he has a core of supporters which is keeping him competitive but what is striking now is looking at looking to build on. know no more o of the voters, te majority in ohio say they are with donald trump, mainly because they oppose hillary clinton, more so than because they like donald trump. you know, that is striking because part of this magic is clearly working you normally don't see
numbers flip like that, granted this isn't a typical campaign but successful campaigns tend to give, especially undecided voters something more to be for than against. >> dickerson: does the mike pence pick help him in giving them something to vote for. what are the people in his coalition looking for to fix that? >> yes from the polling it is clear conservatives are happy with this pick. they wanted a vice president -- and they also think it adds stability a to the ticket. they are more likely to call it a cautious choice rather than a bold one, not a lot of a descriptor we heard about the trump point so it seems to help that, help chore up that base somewhat. >> dickerson: that is the state of the coalition for donald trump. how big is the group he could grap from the other side, the democrats and what would he need to do that? >> it is not large, it is tangible, it is about one in five, maybe a little less than
that, and what is interesting, john, is how locked in this race is, because you have got eight and ten of his voters who would never consider hillary clinton, eight in ten of hers who won't consider him so it is a small sliver he is targeting here. notable, when asked what they want to hear at this convention, they say they would like to hear him take a softer tone, soft, soften the rhetoric and that's part of the balancing act because that softer tone is not what that adorable core of his existing supporters wants to hear. >> dickerson: and what about hillary clinton? does she have any opportunity in the republican side with those trump voters who are not locked in as you said, there are quite a lot of them. >> at this point, not very much it is really that handful of undecided and soft supporters that haven't indicate made up their mind yet. there really aren't many of those. again, it is really just a sliver of the electorate and that is because so many of his supporters won't consider her, and so many, of course, of his
supporters -- won't move either so i think both of them are really -- especially after some of the base, the republican base are -- they are likely to say -- that support has hardened a little bit public of the pick. >> dickerson: anthony salvanto, fighting through south and north dakota there and we will be right back.
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>> dickerson: we are back here at the republican convention in cleveland, which you hear behind me with the "wall street journal" columnist kimberly strassel who has a new book out, the intimidation game, thousand left is silencing free speech. and ben domenech is the publisher of the federalist and matt schlapp is with the american conservative union. mike pence is now on the ticket, what does that mean? >> it is a good thing for donald trump in general. this is a guy who has been in washington, so he is respected by a lot of the leaders that donald trump still needs to reassure out. there he is a evangelical christian. this is a community that donald trump really needs to get 0 to come out and vote for him this fall. he is a policy guy, ran the republican study committee which is something that is really valued by a lot of people out there who care about conservative policy and he is just an articulate guy as well too, he will be good for getting across donald trump's message.
then a lot of people i have talked to go through that list of qualifications and note that that is quite different than donald trump. is this a sign of the -- coalition or a march that might have some difficulty staying together? >> i think it is an attempt on the part of the trump campaign to form lies him as a candidate and a direct geographic play to compete in the midwest. i think mike pence is the kind of candidate that is going to help out in some of these midwestern states where donald trump is more competitive than perhaps other republicans have been. the problem for him is that he is another white guy, christian conservative, kind of an old school republican, buscher are a kind of conservative who may not have enough appeal to compete, to help donald trump compete in a state like florida which could prove more challenging for him. >> >> >> dickerson: what do you think about that? i talked to one activist in the party, republican party who say they doubled down on white guys. what does that mean in terms of the map, in terms of outreach
and how this ticket is going to compete in those states we all are so familiar with? >> this is one of the ways in which donald trump is unconventional. he usually panders to voters, oh here is where democrats -- we will try to make democrats -- mike pence is the haven't i need to help me be an effective president who can go through the washington dysfunction and make sense of it and enough government experience, including as an executive to make the change i want. yes, you can look at the optics it may not be perfect but it is a home run in every other way and he is going to come out of this convention with conservatives and republicans behind him like they have never been before. >> dickerson: and paul manafort wouldn't buy this idea but some keep using the world stabilize as if the nominee is a volatile mixture and needs a drop of something to -- so it is not so much what mike pence might do in office as matt's points are taken but he is a signal that donald trump has listened to those who have been
advising him and saying, we need something a little more solid in the ticket, not something so volatile. >> perhaps he has, i think the problem for him with the pence pick is if he hopes to completely hock down those who had objections to trump in the party i am not sure the pence pick will do that h se normalizing to a certain degree but for those who have been resistant to trump to this point, paul manafort is very familiar with rebellions of all kind and i think in this context there are a lot of people who still don't like donald trump and even picking someone like mike pence is not going to bring them to the republican the wagon, especially swaying independence. >> #02:. >>s. >> only donald trump can do that and i think that's something's something donald trump is failing to understand. he is unified about 75 percent of the republican party. you need it to be above 90. and mike pence is going to help with that a little bit, but that is what this week is going to have to be about for the trump campaign is him standing up there on the stage and saying i want your vote. i am going to
reassure you on these things and these things and these things. maybe it is just a question of saying you need vote for me because we can't afford to have hillary clinton president. but whatever that message is, it has to be where he can get up to that hint percent and then by the way he could be an interesting position because we polled a people from outside of the party that are behind him, this unification. >> john, if i could say i have people on the board of which i am the chairman who have called me since the pence pick who are in the never trump camp and they have been, they say this reassures me and not only to support donald trump some are getting on airplanes and coming here. i have talked to conservatives across the country, the he is exactly the type of pick -- when he said i am going to govern on these conservative values. i have anecdotal evidence this is happening across the country. >> mike pence doesn't change the fact that republican is the party of donald trump. 150 years ago this party -- >> you are simply wrong.
>> -- run by abraham that constitutional rights were not bound by race or creed, that the american eagles wings are broad enough to accept all that are coming and cleveland is coming -- this is not the party of abraham lincoln, it is a party of donald trump, and it traded statesmanship for xenophobia. >> and it traded the higher principles of our better angels for the belief in party identity politics, that is why they are getting zero participant of the plaque vote in pennsylvania, that is why you are going to continue to see this kind of race baiting approach to politics. i think it is completely true that this is the end of the party of lincoln. >> let me just say, this is the very type of elite washington judgment that the voters -- >> elite -- >> that the voters across this country are sick and tired of, not just republicans, a lot of union voters, a lot of independent voters, they believe that when you tell them, these people who voted for donald trump in record numbers, when you call them racist or
xenophobic. >> let me finish, when you say they are race baiting and responding to those policies you are judging them and these are voters who have given him more voters than any republican that has run for office. i refuse to believe those republican activists and conservative activist are racist and ill intended they love their country and simply want to take it back. >> they are desperate for change and desperate for something different than the elites have been telling them and they turned in their desperation to a man who they don't fully understand and who is not going to fulfill his promises. >> dickerson: we will adjudicate debate. >> he has to make a ging shun between the party -- and controversial -- -- >> he has been a very dynamic and fluid entity that has a lot of changes, ebbs and flows in it and i think what we are seeing again is that. donald trump, again, he is going
to have to try to unify some of this. >> and, matt, back to ben's point, though and what i was talking about with the earlier guests, i mean, senator rubio isn't here, martinez, and these are people who -- >> this, they used to be the team of the, farm team of the republican party, that team is not here. that is something that needs to be explained. >> i am not going to say don't look at that. that doesn't mean anything. it means something. the the fs that donald trump is not an original republican, he is a recent republican, there is no question he comes from outside of the party and he is taking on these elected officials who have been in power, and of course they are unhappy wit, it makes them ununcomfortable. some of the party regulars. >> and we shouldn't be surprised if that happens. and here is a fact. on the republicans and conservative minds is, this you don't have to be for 100 percent of what trump is for, you just need to be for 60 percent of what trump is for and that is what is going on in voters heads
what they will see will tip it over that 50 percent mark and come out of here with more republicans and more conservatives, it might not be 90, 92 percent but right 0 in that vicinity and it is going to be enough when all of the independents and all the unions and all of the democratic voters he will pull over enough to win in november. >> i think the question is, if there is ten percent that absolutely cannot vote for him, you are talking 60 percent, but if there is a deal breaker there is a problem. >> dickerson: do you think there is a deal breaker? >> i think for some republicans there is a deal breaker just because of his personality which is why this moment is so important for him. he is going t to have to stand p and ask, something you never hear donald trump say, i really want your vote. >> dickerson: do you think they will give him, given the qualms people have, you can fix wait pr show? which is what everybody here admits this is. >> conventions are always about an opportunity to showcase who they are. this is about donald trump,
letting people know who he is. >> donald trump is currently running ten or 12 percentage points behind marco rubio in florida. he needs to get those voters to come back and convince them she a better president than hillary clinton. >> dickerson: thank you very much for the spirited discussion. we will see in a week where we are on your honor positions and we will be right back. >> >> where we are on your positions and we will be right back. >> with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours.
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cleveland police chief calvin williams. chief williams give us a sense of the scope of the things that you are watching here on the over of the convention. >> well, right now this morning, it is pretty quiet, there is a lot of movement around by our state local and federal partners to get things positioned for later on this evening. and the city right now is obviously pretty quiet. we are expecting it to pick up later this afternoon. >> dickerson: in terms, in terms of various groups that might either be causing trouble or just having peaceful protests can you give us a sense of how many you are watching? >> we are not actually watching any particular group. there have been approximately four or five groups that have signed up to actually do our official parade route. we hav have had impromptu parade marches or protest marches, probably for the last five or six days. we actually had one yesterday
afternoon with a group that was voicing their first amendment concerns and we expect to have them throughout the convention, whether they are scheduled or impromptu. >> dickerson: there was -- there have been reports that anarchists are thinking about causing trouble here in cleveland. have you heard any of that or any sense of that? >> well, we have heard reports from different sources about everyone from anarchists to black separatists to just regular trump followers, anti-trump followers, i mean everybody has been in some way shape or form touted as coming to chief and to either cause trouble or to exercise their first amendment rights, but we are prepared for it all. >> dickerson: the open carry firearm law, does that pose a particular challenge here in cleveland? >> well, there is always a challenge when firearms and the public kind of mix together but we have had open carry scenarios
in the city before, and we have handed them, we plan to handle them the same way as we always have. of course, we have ramped that up a little as far as our technique and our tactics to handle them, but in this state, everyone has the right to open carry and we want to make sure people do that safely. >> dickerson: have you changed anything in your tactics in response to the attack in nice france? >> somewhat. we have placed barriers or barricades at certain key streets and intersections around the downtown neighborhoods, just to make sure that things like that transpired in nice are thwarted here in cleveland if they are attempted or at least mitigated so things happen around the country and throughout the world do affect us to some degree, how we respond in cleveland. >> dickerson: how do the attacks on police officers in dallas affect the way you are responding here in cleveland?
you know, although tragic in dallas, it didn't affect our overall plan a whole lot. you know, we always plan for every eventuality, and a scenario, unfortunately like dallas we already have in our plans, although we did maybe up some of the resources dedicated to those scenarios in the aftermath of dallas. >> dickerson: all right, thank you so much, chief williams for being with us, good luck and we will be back in a moment. >>
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officers shot in baton rouge. >> reacting to that but also this political campaign continues to have interruptions by violence or terrorism, w we e hear it happened again, what are your thoughts? >> well, this is a nation on edge, john. this is a city on edge here in ohio. this is a political party that is on edge. last night, several of us were having dinner down by the lake a group of cleveland police officers came on bicycles, there must have been 50 of them as they passed by the restaurant, everyone stood up as one and gave them a round of applause. that tells you what is on people's minds these days, and where this country is these days. i think all of us who are here to cover this are hoping that this -- inside this convention hall and not outside, but right now, there is just one more
unanswered question in the convention that seems to me to be about unanswered questions. >> dickerson: peggy, you at one point had the job of taking big national moments interrupted and giving voice to a president who -- candidates here have to come up with something to say to address this, but we are in a political campaign where the instinct is often to heighten people's anxieties, to make them afraid of the other candidate, perhaps the race we got is one in which this is more the case than ever. what do these candidates do, where does the conversation need to go if you are in politics right now? >> well, there will be no ignoring the story you just spoke of as the story emerges and the facts become clear. it is difficult, my first thought was that stories like this, like dallas like nice, all of these stories of violence and sadness which have been punctuating the news at almost a
heightened pace, they somehow show the distance between enacted democracy in formal settings like this and a real world that is turbulent, full of turmoil, and wrinkling itself out in some new way. but i think this story that has happened maybe comes from something that will have to be dealt with and in a very serious way, especially after dallas, where we all experienced such trauma. >> dickerson: and after dallas, the shooting there, donald trump said he was the law and order candidate. he mentioned that again yesterday in his remarks announcing mike pence as his running make. ewhat is your sense that the two candidates will speak to this moment? i am thinking for the moment of robert kennedy when he announced in hip, minneapolis that martin luther king was king and he spoke to an anguish this the country. what is your sense of how the two candidates will
respond? >> i think no matter what they say, john, it may be quickly forgotten. it was just this week you saw president obama and president pt bush commemorate the violence in in dallas. do we even have a vivid recollection of that moment? not necessarily because the news and these moments move so quickly now, this he bleed into each other, and it is very difficult to really have profound political moments. i have been struck -- think about it. friday night a nearly deposed president goes on face time to tell people to take to the streets. a few weeks ago, a woman live streamed the shooting of her boyfriend on facebook and that brought people to the streets. we are in this hall which will be broadcast in all all sort ofy and the format hasn't changed in a world that is changing so rapidly and i wonder if american political infrastructure is rising to the moment and able to resonate. >> one would hope that the worries of the dallas mayor mike
wallace who said words matter, one would hope that would be the guiding philosophy of this convention, but the other part, john, is, you know, it is not going to take one news conference, it is not going to take one prayer service, it is not going to take one political convention to solve the problems this country is immersed in in this moment. the if that is all it took we would already have solved it because president obama went to his 11th memorial service when he was down there in dallas, this is not about just making if up some rules and saying everything is fine. >> i note also, i am not certain the american people at this point are looking to the people speaking formally, the big parties candidates, right now they look for leadership in so much of about a way that they look at regular americans forced into prominence, like david brown, the police chief in dallas, who came forward with
common sense, heart, guts and eloquence. it is funny that the american people aren't looking to them right now. they are looking to the american people dealing with the trauma every day and what is happening in our country. >> should they be looking to their leaders? are you saying they are not looking dash. >> look, i think this entire convention is as matt schlapp said in a way a rebuke of washington. i don't sense people are looking to washington for moral and eloquent and meaningful leadership at these times anymore as much as they used to. and that is another show but it is my sense of things. if we have a story breaking this morning, i don't think anybody is going to think what did mrs. clinton say? what did trump say? but they are going to talk about what some other people said. >> and tomorrow night, the opening night of this is going to be all about secretary
clinton and benghazi, that is the main focus of it, it is not going to be about why to vote for donald trump but why not to vote for hillary clinton. it comes at a time we have post abc polling out this morning showing the two of them remain to the two least liked candidates in american history. it is becoming an election about voting against the other person. no reason to believe they would change that this way. >> dickerson: john what is happening here, we talked a lot about our boats and bridges collapsing, roads and bridges collapsing and crumbling but our political infrastructure i think is in worst shape right now that the roads and bridges in this country. people have lost confidence. they see the congress come and go. they vote for one person or another. nothing happens. we see people get up and run for president and they denounce one candidate or another and then suddenly they get on the ticket perhaps or they are trying to get on the ticket and the
nominee is a great buy. people have come to the conclusion that politicians will say and do anything and they don't see it making much difference. i mean, the purpose of government is to improve the lives of our citizens, not to entertain us and i think many people think that it is not doing that. and that's why we are where we are. >> and so, peggy, given what john said and you said, nobody is looking to the platform for answers but donald trump is saying i have the answers i am the solution to the broken system that bob talks about, the system that has people so disappointed and age bring the and he is saying i am the fix. >> he is saying i am going to break away from what doesn't work. the question then arises how will you make it work? what do you have in terms of political experience we know there is none. but what do you have -- what exactly do you want? how will you execute? i expect there are a number of
people who are wondering if he can execute on the things that he has done. look, what i am struck by here in cleveland is the beginning of a convention that hasn't quite begun yet but it almost has. there is a sense of unsureness and anxiety. there are people trying very hard to say, we are united and excited. there are people who almost have told me, frankly, we are in a barrel going ore niagara falls, at this point just enjoy the ride. and here is who i am waiting to meet, the fabulous trump delegate who has never been to a convention before who is on fire for his guy and who can make the case to me. i can't wait to meet that person. >> dickerson: all right. well we have run out of time so we will have to leave it there. thanks to all of you and we will be right back. >>
>> dickerson: that's it for us today. thanks for watching an update on that shooting there are at least two police officers dead, and that shooing in baton rouge we will have more on that on our digital network, cbsn and tonight on a special one hour edition of the evening news from here in cleveland. face the nation, i am john dickerson. >>
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