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he has to be healthy for them to be a great offensive unit week in, week out. >> jim: for those of you expecting to see "60 minutes" you're watching the nfl on cbs. the bengals and the packers are tied at 24. jim nantz along with tony romo and tracy wolfson. "60 minutes" will be seen in its entirety immediately following this game. except on the west coast. bengals are not going to do everything here with these final 17 seconds and no time-outs. we're going to head to overtime. aaron rodgers has never won an overtime game. it's hard to believe. 0-7 in regular and postseason games in his career in overtime. >> tony: wow. >> jim: that shocks you, doesn't it? >> tony: yeah. you feel like he has all of these other records. i guess there's no better time to start than now if you're him.
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andy dalton, 2, 2 and 2. >> jim: that last two is pretty hard to pull off. two ties. >> tony: does a heck of a job taking the clock down in those overtimes. >> jim: yeah. >> tony: andy has a chance to step up. here we go. >> referee: the game clock set at 10 minutes. each team has an opportunity to possess the ball. unless the team that first possesses it score as touchdown. each team will have two time-outs. all instant replay reviews done from the booth. visiting captain call the toss. >> tails. >> referee: tails. nfl logo is tails. visiting captain calls tails. it is a tail. you won the toss. where would you like to kick? this way? cincinnati will take the football. >> jim: all right, overtime coming up from green bay when we continue with the nfl on cbs. that's more than a scratch. what do you think about our new truck buddy?
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>> jim: rule change, reduce the overtime period from 15 to 10. >> tony: why did they reduce it, jim? >> jim: last year there were an unusually high number, percentages through the years did not carry out this way, but six overtime games that went beyond ten minutes into the overtime. president competition committee, trying to say safety is the issue, the longer the game goes the more injuries you have, voted to reduce it from 15 to 10. >> tony: you're well versed in it, i like it. >> jim: here's crosby. to get it started. first possession for the bengals from the 25. >> tony: not unlike a two-minute situation. first play, i always felt, maybe the biggest. you feel comfortable, you feel relaxed, you get the yards, the whole playbook opens up. incompletion or one yard, you don't feel good, it becomes a big play.
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>> jim: like to welcome those of you wlo watched kansas city and the los angeles chargers. we're in overtime at lambeau field. the packers were down 14 at halftime. outscored cincinnati 17-3 in quarters 3 and 4. and a touchdown pass from rodgers to nelson, 17 seconds to go in recreation ligs, plus the point after. time-out by dalton before they get the first snap. in this game, first touchdown of the season for cincy on the opening drive. plus there was a pick six by william jackson. jordy nelson, that was his first of two touchdowns. this is the one with 17 seconds in regulation.
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>> tony: cincinnati off to a hot start in the first half. we saw bill lazor coming in, new offensive coordinator. second half, though, only three points. and no first downs on third downs. 0 for 6. they're going to have to convert something here. a tough environment that you're feeling right now. >> jim: they go with mixon, and the rookie, is knocked back by blake martz. you always put emphasis, you said, on the first play of overtime. that's not the way that anyone on the cincinnati side wanted to see things get started. a time-out, then a loss of two. >> tony: no, you're running the ball, if this offensive line isn't the strength of the bengals, it's a.j. green. i want to get the ball to my strength on the first play. i feel comfortable.
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you start your lineup, weak side zone, they have nothing. now you feel the environment. here comes some sort of dom capers, two-mankind of coverage. >> jim: in the pocket. and that's caught by cody core. make that a.j. green, beg your pardon, a.j. green. those of you just joining us he had a big game. a.j. with 10 catches, 50th career touchdown reception. 10 for 1. >> tony: dom capers has one blitz is that one of the unique blitzes in the league. they dial it up, biggest third down of the game. safety and the nickel off of both sides. or see if he wants to say you know what, i'm going to let my guys play man coverage. >> jim: third and six. here's dalton.
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caught, and immediately brought down, that's josh jones, the rookie safety, immediately bringing down the tight end, tyler cross. >> tony: he showed up today, didn't he. the three deep three under blitz. good job getting rid of it, andy dalton. but this takes you back to first down. don't give me a run to the right side, and all of a sudden now it's a loss of two. now the next two pass plays, d coordinator knows you're throwing it. first down, the time to get 109, 15 yards and -- 10, 15 yards and put them on their heels. >> jim: another good punt, he has had a big day, that's davis. still on his feet. turns it upfield, down to the 21. >> tony: no penalties. >> jim: 58-iard punt, nine-yard return, aaron rodgers hops on to the field. having brought his team from 14
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down into overtime. >> tony: under duress all game as well, with this front, he had to go against without tackles. he's going to have to do it again. next score wins, jim. field goal, anything. >> jim: rodgers, trying to win an overtime game for the first time. trying to beat cincinnati for the first time. takes the running play on first down. incomplete. that's nelson, tangled up for a moment with adam jones. >> tony: good defense by jones. that's not an easy route to cover. 18-yard comeback on the side lines. you see jones reach in there, grab his arm.
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tough call, right there. depending on when he grabbed it. might have been a hair early. >> jim: and the crowd reacts to what we saw on the replay. and they didn't like it. all for naught, second and ten. >> tony: watch the linebackers in the middle bouncing out. >> jim: pass, just incomplete, in the area of montgomery. >> tony: this is hard. the tackle, didn't even block the defensive end. and i know that mccray doesn't play there, he's not their starter. but you got to block the defensive end. he's the guy that you block when you're an offensive tackle. literally let dunlap run straight to the quarterback. good play by rogers to throw it away. >> jim: they sack rodgers five times in the first half. once in the second. >> tony: they're going to chip
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here with bennett, right there, and going to tell him to chip right there. gives rodgers time f they do their job, they should have time. >> jim: needs to get to the 31 for a first. >> tony: they got him offsides. >> jim: down the field. >> tony: he's open! >> jim: wide open. allison cuts back. they got him, another move, he has jones in front of him, gets past it to the sticks. geronimo allison, for 73 yards. >> tony: can you believe this right here, you're going to see rodgers -- >> referee: offsides, number 90, penalty declined, result of the play, first down. >> tony: i mean this place is rocking right now. it's a cover 2 ball which means you have two verticals, rodgers about one of two people on the planet earth that can make the
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throw before the safety gets there. allison, the beneficiary. rodgers knows, we think we just got this one. >> jim: they're going to run another play here. >> tony: this is going to be a run. they'll center it to the middle of the field. most likely you will have the quarterback go or the running back to the right, yeah. covering the kicking unit in. and win the game. >> jim: crosby, to make it from 27 for the win. >> tony: and what a heartbreaking loss if this goes through the uprights, for marvin lewis. they played a great first half. as goods they could play it. pick six the other way. the offense rolling. i mean your team, had a renewed energy life on the road. >> jim: and here we go. >> tony: here it is. >> jim: with a rookie holder. and a time-out, time-out called, by cincinnati.
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it will be a 27-yard attempt, as we said. >> tony: you saw the dprafic, surprisingly, crosby only one career winner in the stadium. >> jim: that was back in 2007 in the game against philadelphia. all-time points leader in packer history. that's the young man who stepped up big on the tying touchdown drive. >> tony: yes. >> jim: geronimo allison hashgsd a drop, made a couple of plays. that 72-yard pass play to set up this, put him over 100 for the game on six catches. >> tony: i'm going to put you out on a limb, jim. >> jim: 27 yards? >> tony: what do you think happens here? >> like the chances. >> tony: okay. >> jim: way out on a limb, huh? >> tony: he's a gambling man. >> jim: you never know. for the win. and the packers take it in overtime! [cheers and applause]
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>> jim: it is gut wrenching as you said for cincinnati. >> tony: they played well. defense played good, offense, had a great first half. but aaron rodgers, green bay, they didn't blink. 21-7, they stayed the course. >> jim: and now thursday night both teams come off of overtime wins, chicago coming in to take on green bay. rodgers has his first overtime win. >> tony: no better time to start than now. >> jim: tonight on cbs begins with the 50th season premiere of "60 minutes," "star trek" discovery, ncis los angeles,ed a madam secretary. for tony and tracy and the crew, jim nantz saying so long from green bay. you enjoyed that one, didn't
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haven't seen in more than a decade. maria, which devastated puerto rico this past week, was the first category 4 to make a direct hit on the island in 85 years. last month, hurricane harvey was the most ferocious rainstorm ever recorded in the continental u.s. the number of storms is higher than usual, but its their intensity that is extremely rare, with two category 4s and two category 5s making landfall in a month. the question facing america's coastal cities is this: is the ferocity of these storms a fluke or the future? no one died on bramblewood drive, but lives were lost-- the lives we measure in memories. the bike that taught the kids how to fly, the perfect dining room chairs, the letter jacket they can't believe they saved all these years.
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14831 bramblewood, in west houston, is the shields' place. vince shields rolled his family history to the curb and dumped decade after decade. >> shields: my wife's a seamstress, and so, these are probably her patterns she had through high school and on up. we lost a lot of personal pictures, but most of this... i won't have to have a garage sale. >> pelley: shields, who retired from shell, has lived on bramblewood 16 years. >> shields: here's the waterline. so, i'm 6'2". >> pelley: and the waterline is as tall as you are, 6'2". he'd never seen water in the house. the flood started to drop after two feet, but it surged to six after engineers opened the gates on two antiquated flood control reservoirs to stop the dams from failing.
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>> shields: we've had church crews in here. second baptist-- we go to second baptist-- they had a crew out here. we've had a couple of christian crews from lafayette. >> pelley: that's how you got all this done, all volunteers. people just walked up and knocked on the door. >> shields: yeah, or you sign up at church and put your name on the list and people show up. it's amazing. god works. >> pelley: more than 80 people were killed, and around houston, it's estimated that 27,000 homes were destroyed. almost 25% of houstonians live below the poverty level, and many of their homes were in the flood plain. >> michelle seage: this is joe's house. you'll see him. he's in the black shirt. if you have any questions, ask me or ask joe for exactly what he wants us to do. >> pelley: next door to vince shields, joe kilchrist's place was being gutted by military vets.
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kilchrist kept the plywood from the last big storm season, back in '05. the vets call themselves "team rubicon." >> seage: your masks have to stay on. you do not want to breathe in fiberglass. >> pelley: michelle seage says they'll have 2,000 volunteers from all over the nation for two months. >> seage: so, yesterday, i had a whole street. all the debris piles were beautiful and neat and ready for the city. and then, i get assigned here this week. and you turn the corner, and you see it's a whole new street full of people who need our help. >> pelley: was the world capital of fossil fuels brought low by climate change? we asked katherine hayhoe, a leading atmospheric scientist at texas tech university. >> hayhoe: it's too early to tell. the postmortem will take years, so to speak, because climate science is all about the long- term statistics. we can say, absolutely without a doubt, that this hurricane took place over altered background
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conditions. our planet is very different today than it would have been 50 or 100 years ago. >> pelley: by "altered background," she means that the oceans of 2017 are on track to be the third warmest on record. warmer water intensifies hurricanes three ways. >> hayhoe: first of all, in a warmer world, more water evaporates into the atmosphere. and so, when a storm like a hurricane comes along, there is so much more water vapor sitting up there for the hurricane to sweep up and dump on us. the second reason is sea level rise. >> pelley: water expands when it's heated. >> hayhoe: and that means when a hurricane comes along, the storm surges, on average, will be stronger, because there is more water behind them. and then, the third way that we expect climate change to affect hurricanes is through warmer ocean waters. more energy, more power will be available to hurricanes in the future, enabling them to intensify faster if conditions are right, as well as become more intense. >> pelley: and that's apparently what we had with harvey.
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>> hayhoe: we're starting to see it. >> pelley: what have you lost? >> cynthia neely: three cars, most of our home and our rental property, and half of our sanity. >> pelley: you've been here 20 years. did it ever flood before? >> neely: never. >> pelley: is this house in a flood plain? >> neely: no! no. >> pelley: hell hath no fury like a woman submerged. the crack of every ruined memory exposed cynthia neely's rage, not at harvey, but at houston. she's with residents against flooding, a nine-year-old group suing the city. they want to toughen the law that requires developers to dig detention basins to catch runoff from buildings. houston has grown about 25% in 20 years. >> neely: we hired top notch hydrologists, engineers, to look at a problem and say, "hey, something is wrong here. city, county need to do something." and so, for all these nine years, we've been going to mayor
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after mayor, year after year, begging and pleading asking for detention basins, asking for drainage infrastructure improvements, and they just looked at us like, "thank you for coming, have a nice day." >> pelley: why? >> neely: it costs money, and because the city is bought and paid for by developers. >> pelley: when you hear someone say these storms come along every 500 years or so, you say what? >> neely: bull-( bleep )! okay, seriously? we have had three 500-year floods in the last 27 months. now, we have harvey. mother nature is going to do what mother nature is going to do. that means it's going to rain. we're going to have hurricanes and tropical storms. so, by golly, do something to protect your people from it! >> pelley: mr. mayor, i spoke to one of your constituents, who uses words that i can't use on tv. >> sylvester turner: okay. >> pelley: sylvester turner has been mayor of houston nearly two years. >> turner: i understand why
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people are mad right now, because there are projects on the books and the only thing that stopped those projects from being built was the funding. >> pelley: there is a sense among citizens who have flooded homes that there has been a lack of urgency about starting these major mitigation projects. >> turner: i agree. i agree with them because you know all of these things are foreseeable. >> pelley: so, why have these things not been done, mr. mayor? >> turner: because... because there hasn't been urgency on all levels to get them done. and that's the sad part. >> pelley: the threat hasn't been ignored entirely. the federal government has spent more than $100 million in the county over the years, buying up homes in the flood plain. but reams of flood control proposals fill the filing cabinets at city hall. >> turner: sometimes it takes an event to occur that shakes people to their core. this storm has shaken people to their core.
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people don't want to hear the rhetoric, and i understand that. the question, then, becomes, are you as elected officials and others operating with the greatest degree of urgency? >> pelley: these are those two flood control reservoirs that were built in the 1940s. they're usually dry, which is why you see trees. a 1996 study by the county flood control district called them" severely outdated."" it's not hard to imagine," the study says, "that a single storm event could have a catastrophic impact." a proposed fix was stopped by the cost, $600 million in today's dollars. but last month's "catastrophic impact" will be tens of billions. the former head of the flood control district who promoted that study lives in this house.
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he told us, from the 1940s to harvey, planning for the reservoirs went from "brilliance to neglect to stupidity to cruelty." over the decades, thousands of homes were built on the flood plain. >> sam brody: hurricane harvey was a human-contrived disaster. if we have flooding, that is a natural process. a disaster is human-induced, because we've put so many people in these flood-prone areas. >> pelley: sam brody studies coastal development for texas a&m university. >> brody: i think that climate change is one driver of this problem. so, the bay is rising. we've measured that it's going to continue to rise. but if you think of climate change as one of the drivers of flood loss, it pales in comparison to human change and the development of the landscape, and putting people more in harm's way.
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that is a much bigger driver of the problem. >> pelley: well, people like development, people like to have jobs. >> brody: and i think we need to promote that, but doing it in a way that is smarter, which means protecting the ecological functions of our landscape-- wetlands, pulling away from these bayous. and over the long term, we're going to have a more stable economy, better economic growth because we're not going to be dragged down by these chronic flood events. >> pelley: harvey is also rewriting emergency response plans. during the storm, 160 helicopters and 17,000 troops rode to the rescue. >> major gen. john nichols: we didn't want to hold anything back. we wanted to be more prepared than surprised. >> pelley: major general john nichols commands the texas guard. did you have all the resources you needed to deal with this? >> nichols: yes, sir, we did. we also had states that helped us.
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22 states brought helicopters, four states brought troops. >> pelley: if the storms of this size are going to be the norm in the future, what are you going to have to do? >> nichols: i don't know that it's going to be the norm, but that could be an option. we're used to a three-day storm. hurricanes come in, they move fast, and they go three days. we've not seen a storm that came in and lingered for six days and drops 50-plus inches of water in one place. >> pelley: general nichols says, because harvey exploded into a category 4 in just 48 hours, next time, he'll have to position his troops days earlier. as the nation's fourth largest city begins to dry, ideas for the future include buying more people out of their homes in the flood plains, turning two little used golf courses into reservoirs, and building a massive seagate to shield the ship channel from the gulf.
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those projects would cost about $14 billion. back on bramblewood drive, we noticed the piano in vince shields' backyard. the green sticker guarantees the collapsed upright is "waterproof for 50 years." but, in an age of warming oceans, there are no guarantees. folks on bramblewood will have to decide whether to stay or go. their past is no guide to the future. name - you will picture me in your head can you see my skin, my age, my beliefs? address - you imagine this place does where i'm from change how you see me? when you get to my experience, will you see how qualified i am? my skills? don't imagine what i might be,
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>> stahl: on friday, john mccain announced that he will once again vote against repeal of the affordable care act, once
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again disappointing his fellow republicans and president trump. in a statement he said:" i believe we could do better working together, republicans and democrats, and have not yet really tried. nor could i support it without knowing... how many people will be helped or hurt by it." and so, the senator from arizona has lived up to his reputation as a maverick and a fighter. mccain, who survived torture and solitary confinement during his 5.5 years as a p.o.w. in vietnam, is now, at 81, in a second fight for his life. this time against glioblastoma, a deadly and unforgiving brain cancer. he invited us to his ranch just outside of sedona, arizona, 24 acres of old-growth trees, a family of hawks and a rippling creek that his dog burma likes to swim in.
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you know, i'm wondering if, when you're up here, if it's like medicine for you. >> john mccain: oh, yeah. oh, yeah. it puts everything in perspective. >> stahl: he and his wife, cindy, have raised four children. they have survived two grueling presidential campaigns, a battle against melanoma, and now this. you're taking both radiation and chemotherapy? >> john mccain: yep. >> stahl: you look terrific. how is this possible? >> john mccain: i feel fine, and i'm eating everything that she makes me eat, all of which-- none of which is-- >> stahl: is any good? >> john mccain: yeah, exactly. one criteria to feeding people that are under my situation, it has to taste lousy. >> stahl: he has been through so much? >> cindy mccain: uh-huh. >> stahl: i mean, the torture and the... you were put in solitary confinement? >> cindy mccain: uh-huh. >> stahl: he's always been the indestructible man? >> cindy mccain: uh-huh. >> john mccain: crashed two airplanes. >> stahl: crashing two airplanes and walked away? >> john mccain: yeah. >> stahl: is he still the
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indestructible man to you? >> cindy mccain: i'm still in disbelief that this actually has happened. and then, i think, you know, cancer chose the wrong guy because, there... it's not going to happen here. >> john mccain: how are you? >> stahl: determined to stay in the arena, senator mccain has resumed his duties in washington. you'd never know it, but he starts his days with chemo and radiation, and then heads to a full day of work, including chairing hearings of the armed services committee. >> john mccain: as leaders of our navy, you must do better. i am more energetic and more engaged as a result of this, because i know that i've got to do everything i can to serve this country while i can. >> stahl: now, you have the same cancer that ted kennedy had. does what he experienced go through your mind? is it... >> mccain: oh, yeah. i think about ted a lot. ted stayed at his job, kept
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working, kept going even when he was in a wheelchair. and he never gave up, because he loved the engagement. >> stahl: the senator first learned he had a problem in arizona back in july when doctors found a blood clot over his left eye after a routine checkup at the mayo clinic in phoenix. he was driving back to the ranch when he got word. >> john mccain: i was driving up here, and i got about two-thirds of the way up. and my doctor called and said, "you've got to come back." and i said, "hey, today's friday. i'll just come in on monday." and she said, "no, you have to come now. it's very serious." >> stahl: you turned the car around? >> john mccain: uh-huh. >> stahl: and went immediately into surgery? >> john mccain: yes. they thought it was serious enough that they had to act immediately. >> stahl: and before the blood clot operation, did they mention glioblastoma to you? >> john mccain: yes. but, as you know, doctors are interesting.
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>> stahl: they cover themselves. >> john mccain: i kept saying to them, "tell it to me straight." "well, there's always this, there's always that." you know, and... and i said, "i can take it. just tell me." and... and then they... they were more forthcoming. >> stahl: five days after the surgery, lab results confirmed he had glioblastoma. what did they tell... tell you about the prognosis? >> john mccain: they said that it's very serious, that the prognosis is very, very serious. some say 3%, some say 14%. you know, it's... it's a very poor prognosis. so, i just said, "i understand. now we're going to do what we can, get the best doctors we can find and do the best we can," and at the same time celebrate with gratitude a life well lived. >> stahl: was he that tough? >> cindy mccain: yes. he is that tough. >> stahl: just 11 days after his
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surgery, he returned to washington, against doctors' advice, for the vote to repeal obamacare. you walk out onto the senate floor. you thought it was going to be normal, empty, mostly empty. and the entire senate is there. they stand up. they give you an incredible ovation. what went on, inside... ? >> john mccain: oh, i got very choked up. and then, of course, you know, all of them coming over and giving me a hug. it was deeply moving. i had never seen anything like that. >> stahl: so, you get all this affection, and then you give them this speech, was kind of scolding to the people who just stood up and loved you. this was a speech condemning the way the senate has been operating. >> john mccain: we're getting nothing done, my friends. we're getting nothing done because we keep trying to find a
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way to win without help from across the aisle. >> stahl: two days later, as the repeal-obamacare vote was under way, mccain was subjected to urgent lobbying by vice president pence and the president himself, over the phone. and yet, at 1:29 a.m., mccain delivered the dramatic and decisive "thumbs down" as a dejected majority leader mitch mcconnell bowed his head. it was a huge defeat for president trump, who has mocked mccain's vietnam war record. >> president trump: he's not a war hero. he's a war hero... he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? >> stahl: there are some people who think that part of your "n"" was to get back at the president and that the "thumbs down" was kind of more like a middle finger to him. >> john mccain: if i took offense at everybody who has said something about me or disparaged me or something like
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that... life is too short. you've got to move on. and on an issue of this importance to the nation, for me to worry about a personal relationship, then i'm not doing my job. >> stahl: but the fact is, his personal relationship with the president has been fraught. just last month, he wrote an op-ed saying the president is" often poorly informed" and "can be impulsive." do you worry that he's not fit for the office? >> john mccain: first of all, i believe in our system. the american people selected donald trump to be president of the united states. we have to respect that. second of all, he has a very strong national security team around him who i know has significant influence over him. >> stahl: let's talk for a minute about daca, the dreamers act. donald trump, the president, a republican, has embraced nancy pelosi. you go out and watch republican campaign ads around the country. she's the target.
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>> john mccain: sure. >> stahl: do you think he has initiated divorce proceedings with republicans? >> john mccain: i don't know what he's going to do tomorrow. ( laughs ) so... or say tomorrow. lesley, he changes his... his statements almost on a daily basis. so, for me to spend my time trying to analyze what he says, i don't know. >> stahl: did he ever apologize for saying you're not a hero? >> john mccain: no. >> stahl: if the president wanted to have a rapprochement with you, would you be receptive? >> john mccain: of course. of course. i've supported him on national security. i've supported his team... >> stahl: but personal. i'm talking about man to man. >> john mccain: personal? sure, i'd be glad to converse with him. but i also understand that we're very different people. different upbringing. different life experiences. >> stahl: what do you mean by that, and what does it make you think about? >> john mccain: he is in the business of making money, and he has been successful both in television as well as miss america and others. i was raised in a military family.
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i was raised in the concept and belief that duty, honor, country is the... is the lodestar for the behavior that we have to exhibit every single day. >> stahl: the son and grandson of four-star admirals, he's the first to admit he's an imperfect man. that's when they captured you. though he has made real sacrifices for his country. when you think about your horrible time as a p.o.w., the torture and everything, do you relive it? or has it now faded so much that you can almost see it as if it happened to someone else? >> john mccain: listen, the joy of my life was the bonds that were forged between me and my fellow p.o.w.s. they were wonderful. we fought together. we loved each other. we would tap on the walls to each other. i look back on that experience
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with a great deal of pride. >> stahl: do you think that this diagnosis has changed you? >> john mccain: no. >> stahl: not at all. same person? >> john mccain: no, i think you got to... you know, you just have to understand that it's not that you're leaving; it's that you... that you stayed. i celebrate what a guy who stood fifth from the bottom of his class at the naval academy has been able to do. i am so grateful. i... every night, when i go to sleep, i am just filled with gratitude. >> stahl: since the diagnosis, you've never once had that... i guess, that feeling in your stomach of... >> john mccain: oh, yeah. >> stahl: ...panic? >> mccain: oh, no. no. i have feelings sometimes of fear of what happens. but as soon as i get that, i say, "wait a minute. wait a ( laughs ) minute. you've been around a long time, old man. you've had a great life. you've had a great experience."
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i want... i want... when i leave, that the ceremony is at the naval academy, and we just have a couple of people that stand up and say, "this guy, he served his country." >> this cbs sports update is brought to you by ford. i'm james brown with the scoors from the n.f.l. today. the jags rolled over the unbeaten ravens behind four t.d. passes. tom brady threw five scores in the patriots' come-from-behind win. jake eliot's last-second 61-yard field goal won it for the eagles. the jets shocked the dolphins for their first win. case keenham had three t.d. passes as the vikings beat the bucks. the saints beat carolina. for more sports news, go to cbs sports.comg. --
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>> pelley: now special contributing correspondent oprah winfrey. >> winfrey: last year's presidential election revealed a nation divided over the media, popular culture and especially politics. people got their news from
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different sources, believed different things and watched close friends and family members stop talking over their choice of candidates. eight months into the presidency of donald trump, we wanted to know if the divide was still as deep and bitter as before, so we traveled to a state that played a pivotal role in the election: michigan. there, we gathered a diverse group of ordinary americans and asked them to lay everything out on the table. the group included a farmer, a drug counselor, a speech therapist, a former g.m. factory worker, and a sales manager, and they all had a lot to say about the state of our union in the early days of the trump administration. i want to know from everyone around the table. how do you think donald trump is doing as president of the united states today? tom? >> tom: i love it. every day, i love him more and more. every single day. i still don't like his attacks,
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his twitter attacks, if you will, on other politicians. i don't think that's appropriate. but, at the same time, his actions speak louder than words. and i love what he's doing to this country. love it. >> winfrey: yes, jennifer? >> jennifer: i feel like he's a horrible president, and he's divided our nation more than it has ever been. and then, when he's on teleprompter, he's sane. i mean, i'm like, "that's great. that's great. that's a good message." but when he's off teleprompter, i feel uncomfortable. it makes me feel sick to my stomach. and i think that we look like we're a joke to other foreign leaders. it's an embarrassment. >> tim: we are. we are. >> wesley: he's terrible. a president sets the tone and sets the example. it's like a quarterback in a two-minute drill. the quarterback sets the tone. president trump is not setting the tone. >> lauren: he is setting the tone, just not one that helps the united states. but all he's doing is setting a bad tone. >> wesley: yeah, yeah, he's setting the tone of negativity. right.
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>> tim: exactly. >> winfrey: matt? >> matt: we wanted somebody to go in and flip tables. we're tired of the status quo, as some people wanted on the other side. we were tired of that. >> winfrey: in your mind, what table got flipped? >> matt: every time he does a rally or a tweet, he's speaking for people that are sitting at home in iowa or oklahoma or montana that just want to say it that way. for years, we asked for a president who would just say it the way we do. we got that. >> frank luntz: grab a seat there. grab a seat next to him. >> winfrey: the conversation took place last month in a converted power plant in downtown grand rapids, where frank luntz, a pioneer in the use of focus groups and a contributor to cbs news, assembled our group... >> luntz: how many of you say we're a divided country? everyone! >> winfrey: ...and paid participants $100 each for taking part. >> luntz: your friends are going to see this, and your family is going to see this. >> winfrey: he selected 14 for a seat at the table. seven voted for president trump, seven did not. half voted the party line; for others, it was more complicated.
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can you talk about it? >> jennifer: okay, let me just explain that i've been a republican my whole life, and i could not support trump. my whole entire family supported trump, and i got persecuted by my own family. and they... my dad, especially. and so, he was trying to force me to vote for him. >> winfrey: did you all stop speaking to each other for a while? >> jennifer: for a while, yeah. >> winfrey: because you voted for? >> jennifer: because i voted for hillary. and it was a protest vote. >> winfrey: you were protesting? >> jennifer: i was protesting trump. i have a ten-year-old and three- year-old, and it scares me every day, what their future might be. >> rose: as somebody who, i feel i'm really moderate. i voted for bush twice. i voted for obama twice. and i voted for trump. and part of the reason why is because i gave the republican establishment a chance. i gave democratic establishment a chance. and can we please come together and at least give this president a chance? because, in my opinion, we're not.
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we already have preconceived ideas of what he's... he's like. >> winfrey: are they preconceived ideas, or does he show us, or tweet to us, or demonstrate through his actions every day, who he is? >> rose: can we give him a chance? >> winfrey: people from this area are as divided as anywhere in the country. but they're known for their midwestern manners and something locals call "west michigan nice." >> winfrey: a trait we put to the test. can you give me a word or phrase? describe in your mind the typical trump voter. >> jennifer: oh, dear. ( laughs ) >> jeff: i'm curious. i'm curious what i'm going to be accused of here. >> winfrey: what's your word, tim? >> tim: i would say angry. >> tom: frustrated. >> winfrey: frustrated. >> jennifer: i would say angry. >> matt: fed up. >> maggie: fed up. >> winfrey: fed up. >> daniel: forgotten. >> kailee: misinformed. >> lauren: i say wounded. >> winfrey: the typical trump voter, you think, is wounded? >>re


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