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01/26/15 01/26/15 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] >> broadcasting from the sundance film festival in park city, utah, this is democracy now! >> 45-year-old michael dunn is being trust with shooting and killing 17-year-old jordan davis. the confrontation began over loud music. >> was their music playing in the car? >> yes. >> did the defendants amy thing about the music? >> i hate that music. >> to use the "n" word.
>> michael dunn is crying -- >> as protests grow over the killing of unarmed african american teens, we look at a film premiering at sundance called "3 1/2 minutes." it tells the story of how on november 23, 2012, four teenagers pulled into a jacksonville gas station to buy gum and cigarettes. they were soon confronted by michael dunn, a middle-aged white man who pulled in next to them in the parking lot. dunn demanded the boys turn down the music they were playing, and became angry when they refused. he pulled his gun from his glove box and shot at their car 10 times, even as they tried to drive away from the danger. the shots rang out 3 and a half minutes after dunn had arrived. one of boys, 17-year-old jordan davis, was killed. today we will spend the hour with his parents, lucia mcbath and ron davis. >> trayvon martin's father text
me, i want to welcome you to a club none of us want to be in. >> it is time to pick up where dr. king left off. >> all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the leftist, anti-austerity syriza party has swept to victory in greece. syriza won 149 seats in the 300-seat parliament, two short of an absolute majority. this marks the first time since the economic crisis in 2009 that a member of the 19-nation euro zone will be led by a party rejecting german-backed austerity. the head of syriza alexis tsipras will become greek's new prime minister.
>> greece is turning a page. greece is leaving behind catastrophic austerity. it is leaving behind the fear and autocracy. it is leaving behind five years of humiliation and pain. today, there are no winners and losers. today, greece's elite and oligarchs were defeated. our victory is a victory for all people of europe were fighting against the austerity that is destroying our common european furniture -- future. >> supporters of syriza praised the party's willingness to oppose the austerity measures demanded by the european union and international monetary fund. >> i think the alternative at this time in greece, the citizens proposals -- concerning the debt in the crisis, and of
course, [indiscernible] >> coming in second in the greek election was the conservative new democracy party headed by prime minister antonis samaras. >> the greek people have spoken. we all respect their decision. my conscience is clear. i took over a country on edge of catastrophe. i had to handle hot coals. most people said we would not make it, but we did and we avoided the worst. i hand over a country that is a member of the european union and europe -- >> here in the united states independent senator bernie sanders praised the election of syriza. he said -- "the syriza victory in the greek elections tell us that people around the world will no longer accept austerity for working families while the rich continue to get much richer. in egypt, at least 17 people were killed on sunday in egypt's bloodiest protests since abdel
fattah al-sisi was elected president as security forces fired at protesters marking the anniversary of the 2011 uprising that toppled hosni mubarak. riot police backed by soldiers in armored vehicles sealed off roads, including those leading to cairo's tahrir square, the -- riot police with rifles and plain clothed men with pistols were seen chasing protesters through the streets of cairo. the heaviest death toll was in the cairo suburb of matariya, a muslim brotherhood stronghold, where eight people, including one policeman, were killed. on saturday, shaimaa al-sabbagh, a leading member of the socialist popular alliance party, was shot dead at a protest near tahrir square. video and photos of the shooting went viral across egypt. meanwhile, two sons of post numeral brick are released from prison today, nearly four years after they were first arrested along with her father. last week in egyptian court
ordered the release pending the retrial in a corruption case. the united states and india have reached still to allow u.s. companies to build a new generation of nuclear plants in india without being held legally liable in the event of a nuclear power plant catastrophe. india is one of the few nations that don't exempt nuclear suppliers from accident liability. it put strict compensation laws on the books after the 1984 catastrophe in bhopal when a factory owned by the u.s. multinational union carbide corp leaked cyanide gas into the air, killing thousands of indians. president obama announced the deal in india during a join press conference with indian prime minister narendra modi. >> the last few years, trade between our countries has increased by some 60% for the record of $100 billion. we want to trade even more, so we walked over the reforms the
premised or is pursuing to make it easier to do business here in india. today, we at treatment -- we achieved understanding on two issues that were holding up our ability to advance our nuclear cooperation and committed to moving towards full implementation. >> u.s. firms including general electric and westinghouse electric are expected to benefit from the nuclear deal. meanwhile, indian prime minister modi discussed plans to expand military ties with the united states, including joint production of drone aircraft and equipment for lockheed martin 's military transport plane. >> we also decided to take up our growing defense corporation to a new level. we have agreed in principle to pursue codevelopment and coproduction of specific defense projects. this will help the domestic
defense industry and manufacturing sector in india. >> president obama is cutting his trip to india short in order to visit saudi arabia to pay respects following the death of king of doll and to meet new king salman. over the weekend, many world leaders traveled to saudi to offer condolences, including russia's prime minister dmitry medvedev, britain's prime minister david cameron, french president francois hollande, and egypt's president abdel-fattah el-sisi. meanwhile, human rights groups are urging the new king to pardon dissident blogger raif badawi who was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for charges including insulting islam. christophe deloire is general secretary of reporters without borders. >> there can be different things. the religious elite, they succeed control, to control
information in the country. it is to condemn journalists and put them in jail. we hope international pressure in that case, raif badawi case will be a success that new king salman will pardon him and things will change in the country. >> in other news from the arabian peninsula, thousands of yemenis marched saturday in the biggest demonstrations yet against the houthi rebels now controlling the country two days after president abd-rabbu mansour hadi resigned. up to 10,000 people marched from sanaa university towards hadi's home. meanwhile, the pentagon says it reportedly carried out its first drone strike. three people died in attack on a vehicle carrying suspected al qaeda members in an area. in news from syria, japanese prime minister shinzo abe is
calling for the immediate release of a japanese journalist held by islamic state after a video surfaced claiming that a fellow japanese captive had been executed. a video posted online appears to show the decapitated body of japanese captive haruna yukawa who went missing in syria last august. japanese government officials said they had not confirmed the authenticity of the recording yet. meanwhile, defense secretary chuck hagel has ordered the first group of about 100 u.s. troops, mostly special operations forces, to head to the middle east to establish training sites for syrian opposition fighters. turkey, qatar and saudi arabia have offered sites to hold the trainings. ukraine is accusing russian-backed rebels of killing -- of violating the september cease-fire by killings 30 civilians in an attack on black
sea port city of mariupol. eight civilians were killed when a trolleybus was hit by an artillery shell or mortar in the city of donetsk, which is largely controlled by separatists. at the united nations, rupert colville warned of the rising death toll. >> the significant escalation apostolate he's in ukraine since january 13 has taken the total depth toll in the country to at least 5086 individuals and we fear the real figure they be considerably higher. at least 10,948 people have already been wounded between mid april last year in the 21st of january. >> in environmental news president obama has announced a plan to designate 12 million acres in alaska's arctic national wildlife refuge as wilderness in an effort to ban oil and gas drilling in the area. >> alaska's national wildlife refuge is an incredible place. christine, undisturbed.
it supports caribou and polar bears, all manner of my life countless pcs and birds and fish. for centuries, supported many alaska native communities. and it is very fragile. >> congress needs to approve but the interior department will start managing the area under that level of protection until congressional action is taken. "the washington post" is reporting the interior department is also planning to place part of the arctic ocean off limits to drilling. google has revealed it secretly gave the u.s. government all of the email messages and metadata of three top members of the whistleblowing organization wikileaks -- investigations editor sarah harrison, section editor joseph farrell and spokesperson kristinn hrafnsson, a longtime icelandic journalist. the u.s. government requested the information in 2012 as part of an alleged conspiracy and espionage investigation targeting wikileaks founder julian assange.
in the philippines, at least 40 police commandos have been killed in a clash with militants from the islamic liberation front. it was the first clash between the police and the militants is the peace accord was signed in march. the american-arab anti-discrimination committee is reporting the release of the new hollywood blockbuster "american sniper" has led to an increase in threats against muslims in the united states. the film is based on a memoir by a u.s. sniper in iraq named chris kyle who called iraqis "savages." the organization says it has collected hundreds of violent messages targeting arab and muslim americans from moviegoers posted to facebook and twitter. the group has written to film director clint eastwood and star bradley cooper to speak out against what it described as the hateful rhetoric. in economic news, american workers are losing up to $17 billion a year in retirement savings due to abusive trading practices.
this according to a new memo by jason furman, chairman of president obama's council of economic advisers. the white house is considering stricter rules on wall street brokers, but industry giants including morgan stanley and bank of america, are lobbying against any new regulations. in political news, three potential republican presidential candidates -- senators marco rubio, rand paul and ted cruz -- traveled to california sunday to face off in what some dubbed the koch primary, a closed door gathering organized by the billionaire koch brothers. meanwhile, the "wall street journal" is reporting republican new jersey governor chris christie has formed a political action committee, a major step to a presidential run. the scientists who maintain the doomsday clock, a symbolic countdown to global catastrophe, have moved the clock two minutes closer to midnight in its first shift in three years. kennette benedit of the bulletin of the atomic scientists said
the clock now stands at three minutes to midnight, or doomsday. >> nuclear arms race resulting from modernization of huge arsenals was extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity. and world leaders have failed to act with speed or on the skill required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. these failures of leadership in danger every person on earth. >> a blizzard warning has been issued for new york city and other parts of the northeast. new york mayor bill de blasio said the storm could bring up to three feet of snow. >> literally, could be one of the top two or three largest storms in history of this city and we need to plan accordingly. so my message to all new yorkers is, prepare for something worse than we have seen before. >> and those are some of the
headlines, this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting live from park city, utah, where the 31st annual sundance film festival is underway. we begin with the film about a subject growing nationwide protest am killing of unarmed african americans. the film is called "3 1/2 minutes." it tells the story on how on november 23, 2012, four teenagers pulled into a jacksonville gas station to buy gum and cigarettes. they were soon confronted by michael dunn, a middle-aged white man who pulled in next to them in the parking lot. he demanded the boys turn down the music they were playing, and became angry when they refused. dunn pulled his gun from his glove box and shot at their car 10 times, even as they tried to drive away from the danger. the shots rang out three and a half minutes after dunn had arrived. one of them, 17-year-old jordan davis, was killed.
after the shooting, dunn fled the scene, went to a hotel with his girlfriend and ordered pizza. he never called the police. in the murder trial that followed, jordan davis's parents attended every day knowing that , the prior year george zimmerman, the killer of unarmed teenager trayvon martin in florida, had successfully avoided being convicted. both cases highlighted the state's problematic stand your grand law. today we will spend the hour with jordan's parents and hear more about their ongoing fight for justice. but first, this is a clip from the trailer for the brand new film, "3 1/2 minutes." [sirens] >> 45-year-old michael dunn is being charged in the shooting death of 17-year-old jordan davis. >> was their music and the car? >> yes. >> what type? >> rap. >> did the defendant say
anything about the music? >> i hate that music. >> i'm not racist. they are racist. >> jordan davis -- >> i am looking at a barrel. >> this is about the right of everyone to protect themselves and their family. >> under the law, it is justified. >> you're not going to kill me, you son of a [bleep] >> could it have been your imagination? >> no. anything is possible, i guess. >> they think it is a gun when it is in the hands of young african-american. >> trayvon martin's father text me, i just want to welcome you to a club that none of us want to be in. >> open season on who? >> it is time to pick up where dr. king left off. >> i have never covered a trial
with as much international attention. >> this was the 21st century lynching. >> was it all right to kill my son? >> what happened to jordan? >> what happened to jordan? >> the trailer for "3 1/2 minutes," which is premiering at this year's sundance film festival. today we spend the hour with the two people are the heart of the film, jordan's parents, lucia mcbath and ron davis. we are also joined by marc silver, the film's director. we spoke with marc last year at sundance just his film, "who is dayani cristal" won the award for best cinematography. welcome all of you to democracy now! it has been remarkable to see you here actually for the first time, but at this film showing --lucia mcbath, if you can talk about what this means. your son was killed three years
ago. and here you are at a festival in the midst of this wave of protests around the killing of young men like jordan, your son. >> well, it just speaks to the truth of what is happening in the country. i kind of always believed rings were in divine order, things don't just randomly happen. i think our film, our story is really representative of what we see happening across the country. so this is just so wonderful of an opportunity to be here to really help expand that message and open people's eyes to the reality of what they may not really understand is happening -- not just with the minority community, but the gun violence and the way people are viewed that don't look like you, think like you, act like you.
those kinds of opinions and ideas that we see across the country, those things have to change. >> ron davis, the response you're getting here to the story told about what happened to jordan? >> we had a premier on saturday. there was innovation. after the film erred, we also had a q&a. it was great for people who want to know about the meat of the story, not just the three and half minutes on film, but also they want to know more about jordan. we want to take this from sundance ago across this country but the jordan davis story because it is going to be a movement. it is not just torn but anybody's child across america that it can happen to an it is happening everyday. we want to make sure this film lets everyone know this is the thing we have to fight in order to make sure our families and kids grow up in a type of society that don't get murdered and killed, as we say for now
without music or something as petty as that. >> when we come back from break, we will continue our conversation with lucia mcbath and ron davis and the thumbs director. it is called "3 1/2 minutes." that is the time it took a middle-aged white man to drive into a gas station hear that music, reached into his car's glove compartment, pulled out a gun, and shot one of the them people in the car -- the request to -- dead. we will be back in a minute. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to firstname.lastname@example.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. ♪ [music break]
>> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting live from the sundance film festival in park city, utah. where remarkable film has just premiered, touching on something , an issue that is ripping through this country. the issue of young african-americans being gunned down either by police or by thomas some called him vigilantes or self-appointed watchmen but the issue of whether black lives matter. we're joined right now by lucia mcbath and ron davis, the parents of jordan davis.
we are also joined by marc silver, the director of "3 1/2 minutes." how did you get involved with this film? talk about how you filmed this. >> the producers saw my previous film here at sundance, and sent me the jordan davis story and invited me to florida to meet jordan's parents. we spent about a week together in the summer of 2013. at that point, when i started to understand what happened in such a short amount of time, i started to see this perfect storm of racial profiling access to guns, and people getting confidence to use those guns because of nuances of duty to retreat. we then managed to get access to the courtroom for the trial, so we filmed the whole trial, said the footage to mainstream media --
>> you had a three camera shoot in this trial of mark dunn. >> michael dunn. yes. we used that material, about half of the film, where we follow the beginning to the end of the trial and that is intercut with ron and lucia's journey as well as prison phone call recordings from michael done to his fiancée. that kind of explained his journey. >> this is an astounding part of the film. you have the conversation that michael done is having with his girlfriend. how did you get recordings? >> these are public record in the state of florida. really, we just have to apply for that is media and then transcribed it and started to understand the evolution of dunn austria's character since the night of the shooting. >> i want to go back to the clip from "3 1/2 minutes." first we hear michael dunn's
lawyer questioning honesty and love the night of the shooting. much of the film takes place in the courtroom. then we hear jordan's friend tevin, one of the three teens in the car with jordan, when dunn shot them. >> the testimony you heard him say, i hate that thug music? >> i did not say this, but if i had said anything, i would have characterized it as rap crap. not so music. that is not a term i'm familiar with. ♪ >> thug is the new "n" word. "n" word is out and thug is in. ♪
michael dunn, he just seen four black kids. he heard the music and he just instantly put thug next to four black kids. if four white kids was listening to it, what would you think? they don't call justin bieber a thug. he races lamborghinis and all this crazy stuff, and he is not a thug, just a misled kid. know what i'm saying? thug is something for african-americans to be called the "n" word without -- they don't want to seem wrong for calling us the "n" word, so they say, look at those loves. -- thugs. rap crap was something he made
up in the jail cell. set and repeated it. >> that is jordan's friend, one of the three teams with jordan davis when dunn shot them. thug is the new "n" word. ron? >> michael dunn came into the gas station within seconds of being there, and had this bias and in his mind that rap music or hip-hop music is considered thug music. he thought right away there were gangsters, as he said later on. for him to have that in his mind, get no interaction with african-american children or people. so all he does is draw his decisions about who you are some television, media, movies, whatever and they see you on shows like "cops" in handcuffs, see you as drug dealers.
that is his mindset. this film "3 1/2 minutes" is going to show that sometimes and that small amount of time, your mindset can get you in trouble. i think in this instance, his mindset got them in trouble. >> lucia mcbath, go through it with this if you will. i'm very sorry because i'm sure you relive it every time, that night. it was black friday, the day after thanksgiving 2012. what you understand took place. >> well, everyone was just enjoying thanksgiving. that is the holiday. i had gone back to chicago to have thanksgiving with my family. i understood that jordan would be in jacksonville with ron. he actually told me, i'm going to go shopping and hang with my friends. we're going to go shopping on black friday. he was really excited about that because he at a really decided
what he wanted to purchase on black friday. i remember having a discussion with him taught -- talking with him on thanks giving day and really feeling every thing was ok, that he was really, really happy. i had not heard him sound so happy before, so i was really happy that he was excited about thanksgiving. and then for everything to completely just -- i was completely devastated when the phone rang and it was at my family's house and happened to be up in the bedroom. i saw ron's face pop up on the phone. i said, hey, how are you doing? happy thanksgiving. he kept saying, where is earl? earl is my cousin. it was an immediate clue to me this something was wrong.
and i just knew in my spirit that it had to do with jordan. every fear that a parent has everything you worry about being hidden in a car, just any fear that you have as a parent everyone of those fears at that moment i felt was just the weight of the world had fallen on me. and i felt like everything we have done to protect him, and we couldn't protect him. so walking through those days right after, and it was a complete fog, you know, that my boy was killed over music. >> ron, three creation of those moments when they pulled in. jordan was with his three pals, his best friends?
>> right. they were at the gas station first. they were playing her music loud, like teenagers do. another gentleman pulled in beside them, heard the loud music, decided, i don't want to be bothered and pulled away. he parked somewhere else in the gas station. dunn then michael pulled in and mentioned the music. >> and his girlfriend, his fiancée, gets out to buy something at the gas station. >> right. she gets out to buy something at the gas station and michael dunn rolls down the music and tells -- rolls down the window and the music to turn the music down. so they do. jordan decides, why should we listen to him? who is he? we were sitting here first thing our music when he comes along and tells us to turn the music down. turn it back up. so he does. michael dunn gets irritated and him and jordan start talking to each other through the window and so michael dunn rolls down the window multiple he, says,
are you talking to me? that is when he decided to go ahead and grab a gun out of his glove box and start shooting at the car. the young man that was in the store buying the government cigarettes is getting back in the car, so he pulls the car back to avoid the gunshots and michael dunn is still shooting at him. even as the car is trying to get away. that is where a lot of people don't understand about why he was convicted on attended murder charges first, which is a separate act. >> attempted murder, being the other three boys. >> because even when he thought the danger was past, he jumped out of his car, ran to the back of the car, started shooting at the car as it was driving away which was a complete and separate act. that is why was convicted initially on the attended murder charges for the three young men in the car. >> there were two trials. >> yes.
>> two trials. i want to go to a clip from "3 1/2 minutes." this is jordan davis' friend leland bruson talking about testifying during the murder trial of michael dunn, as dunn looked on. after that we hear him questioned on the stand. >> all of us could have been gone, you know? it is kind of scary. it makes you realize life is short. we was all young. when i walked in there, seen jordan's family, i tried not to look at anybody. i just tried to stay focused. powered he had too many thoughts going through my mind and every thing like that.
that is the first time i had seen them since the incident. i felt more angry than scared my anger is not going to bring peace to myself. looks mr. brunson you were upset that night. >> yes. >> we found out your best friend died, you are even more upset fear to say. >> yes. >> you're still upset today. >>. . yes. >> you don't to see her friends memory go in vain, do you? >> no. >> that is jordan's friend leland. his best friend? >> this young man has been through so much. he had to hold my son. he was the last one that witnessed jordan alive. to me, leland will forever be my son. as he said, when he touched
jordan and felt the blood, he knew jordan was in trouble. >> he shot into the car 10 times, even as they were pulling back. the drivers name? >> tommy. >> so tommy had gone into the store and came out, saw what was happening, pulled the car back. and they did not know as they just docked terrified as the bullets were coming. >> the bullets rang out as soon as tommy got in the car. tommy was dancing to the music and they turned the music down. tommy said, why are you turning the music down? michael dunn started shooting and he pulled the car back. leyland is a young man that it is going to take them ages to get over this. he comes over to my house from time to time and he cannot even go in jordan's bedroom without crying and falling apart. the last time i saw him was christmas eve, he came over and spend christmas eve with us, but he could not go in jordan's room. but so they ducked and after the
shooting was done, how did he realize that happened to jordan? >> everyone in the car answered. tommy said, as everybody all right? tevin and leland answered. jordan didn't answer. he had been struck and could not breathe. blood was welling up in his lungs. he could not speak. leland knew jordan was in trouble. >> i want to go back to the film. this is a clip of michael dunn speaking to his fiancé from jail when he tries to comfort her after telling her he's being held in isolation, and then defends himself for shooting michael davis. i guess it is better than being in a room with them animals. so it is my fault because i asked them to turn the music down.
but i got attacked and i-5 as i did not want to be a victim and now i'm in trouble. >> the conversation, amazingly you got a hold am a m, of the recordings of the phone conversations betweenarc likeliness beyoncé. -- conversations between mark and his fiancée. >> to hear those words are very chilling. i was not really surprised actually. we knew from the very beginning that there were some racial elements to what had transpired. that, for me was defining what ird new and believed -- already knew and believed that michael dunn felt about the boys. it was very difficult to listen to rhonda kind of substantiated him, try to lift him up and
support him. in my mind i kept thinking, and you never spoke out. you never called 911. you are just as guilty as he is. >> explain what happened that night when they drove away. sure you have michael dunn saying he was so traumatized after this. -- you did not quite know what had happened. she hears the firecrackers sound of gunshots. >> she was a whole part of the whole entire situation. i mean, when she got in the car -- of course, she did not really understand what had happened what had transpired, but to be in the hotel and deceit on television and to know that her fiancé murdered someone -- >> they admitted they watched it on tv while they ate pizza. >> well, they had something to eat and some stiff joints and she went to bed. he was the one who remain up for
a while. when she did see what happened on television, distantly home? and take no responsibility for calling the police and saying, michael we have to do something about this? even though she did not really understand dynamically what had happened, she knew a child had been murdered. and to keep your mouth closed and say nothing and not even feel for the family, but only be concerned about getting home in getting the puppy home? >> explain how they were caught. >> well, there was a homeless couple that were actually the gas station at the moment. thank god they happened to be there. the young man, sean, who's driving the car, happen to get the last place since -- lessons play number of michael dunn wrote it down on the back, and turn it into the representative at the gas station -- >> though woman at the cash register? >> yes, who turned the
information over to the police. they could not apprehend michael bennet hotel because they did not know where he was or who he was, but he was apprehended the next morning at home over hundred miles away. had it not been for that young couple in the car, we may never have known who shot at the boys and murder jordan. >> when we come back, the amazing testimony of the fiancé when asked directly right after michael dunn had testified that he believed that jordan davis had a gun. the amazing testimony when his fiancée was brought in to ask if in fact, michael dunn had told her as their driving way or that night in the hotel or at any point him had told her he was concerned jordan davis had a gun. of course, a gun was never found. we will talk about this after the break. ♪ [music break]
>> "strawberry letter 23" by the brothers johnson. it was jordan davis' favorite song. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from park city utah. park city tv. we are broadcasting throughout the week. we're at the film festival, particularly following the documentary track. we're back with a film director marc silver who last year did an incredible film in 2013 "who killed dayani cristal?" which we are here this week with "3
1/2 minutes." this is jordan davis's mother speaking after rhonda rouer testified he never told -- it's out there is a weapon in the car before he fired his gun. >> i am glad today is over. >> may she be excused? >> even if we don't get the verdict we expect, we should get at least the truth has been exposed. the fact she stood her ground and told the truth was huge. i didn't expect she would do that. she was the key witness that could testify against him, and she did. i don't know if she has any children. i don't know if she is a mother. but i was praying if she were
that something in her consciousness, something in her heart, something somewhere would kick in and she would be convicted to tell the truth. >> that is lucia mcbath in the film, "3 1/2 minutes." she is joining us live also with jordan davis is dad ron davis and we're joined by marc silver the film maker who did "3 1/2 minutes." so talk about that moment in the courtroom where you have michael dunn say he absolutely thought that jordan davis had a gun insisted that he saw a gun. followed by rhonda coming in -- of course, she is not hearing his testimony, she is brought back in as a witness, which is directly ask if her fiancée had ever said anything about a gun before he killed jordan davis. >> for me, i knew that was the
bombshell, because she openly told the truth. she dispelled for the jurors in the courtroom every lie that michael dunn spoke. i actually was amazed that she did so. i always got the feeling that maybe he was the stronger person in the relationship, more domineering. i was very relieved that she would speak out. but i think it was more so because she was afraid she was going to jail as well. >> explained that. >> well, for her to basically be an accessory to the entire situation, once she really knew someone was murdered, i mean, they got in the car and drove back to satellite beach, florida, and she basically broke
down but never once said michael, we need to go to the police. michael, we need help. you know she let him continue to take control of the situation and she was an accessory and keeping quiet and not sing anything. i don't care how afraid she was you still have a moral responsibility. >> when the police caught them the next day, based on the license plate number that the homeless couple had taken down -- amazingly -- at the gas station and given to the woman at the cash register him and that is how the police located them. what did she tell the police then, that in a morning when -- that next morning when i asked her to talk about the whole situation? did she have testimony than that she needed to be consistent? >> we're not really aware of what her testimony was to the policeman. we were never really given that information. at the policeman kept reassuring us that she was cooperating. so from the very beginning, she had to be saying that michael
dunn never told her anything about a gun. >> marc silver, the significance of this? >> the significance is that michael dunst defense attorney so so much reasonable doubt about whether or not there was a gun, he even criticize the police were not searching for a gun -- i felt like i was in the search for weapons of mass distraction. and the significance is that rhonda was the only person who could have testified that michael dunn genuinely and reasonably felt a genuine threat. and without that gun, there is no genuine threat or therefore you would not have thought the jury would not have -- what have come to a decision that the shooting was in no way justif -- justifiable self-defense. even with rhonda's testimony, the jury could not come to
conclusion which led to a mistrial and led to a second trial. >> did you ever interview michael dunn? >> we asked his lawyer several times a week and speak with michael or rhonda and we were never given access. that is why we found the phone call so interesting. in many ways, perhaps even more interesting than if we would have done a face-to-face. >> these phone calls you were able to get under public records of michael done talking to rhonda. >> absolutely. we showed you in the film on one of those first phone calls they're told these phone calls are recorded before they go into them. >> so they knew as he talked about the animals, he knew. >> yes, he knew every thing was been recorded. it is puzzling as to why he would ever -- i think the more interesting thing is, in the courtroom, race was never allowed to be discussed because the shooting had not been defined as a hate crime. in that moment in time, there were no witnesses that heard michael dunn use any racist language. >> ron davis, you're going to
this trial and you are in florida. trayvon martin land. >> yes. >> did you communicate with his parents? >> yes, i received a text from trayvon martin's father. he welcomed me into the circle of fathers and basically said, you're in a club that no one wants to be in. when i got the text, i called him on the number were the text came. he answered the phone and we had 20, 25 minute discussion about this. he was telling me about the fight he had trying to get the killer of his son into court and then also convicted. it was an uphill battle. in my situation, i told him that there were witnesses. we have to understand, there was a man the testified that said, i pulled up into the gas station and heard the noise, heard the music, left.
i enjoyed the music and wanted to hear the music more. that is a person that is a thinking person, a reasonable person. when michael dunn somebody said to the kids, you're not going to talk to me that way, before he shot them, this man was out of the convenience store and heard him say that. there was a difference between the dynamic of what happened with trayvon, because the renault witnesses. we at several witnesses at the gas station that saw these kids being shot at. >> george zimmerman. off in the killing of trayvon martin. michael dunn was convicted albeit, in a second trial. the first truck of attempted murder of the three other boys, but not for the murder of jordan. but then it went to a second trial. what was your response to the first time and in the second? >> the first time, i felt the prosecutors did not really hold up their end in doing two things. one, you have to understand the jury does not understand
premeditation. in the first-degree murder charge, yet to prove premeditation. even 10 seconds of premeditation, is still premeditation. you and me as late people, we think it is going to your house and getting a gun or running to your car. the premeditation is thought. if you attend second -- if you 10 seconds of thought, it is premeditation. the second is reasonable doubt. you have to show the difference between you can have doubt -- michael dunn and the first trust explained, i thought there was a gun. i thought there was some kind of weapon. i feared for my life. but was he reasonable? that is with the jury could not decide, if that was a reasonable thought. in this trial, we made the jury understand imaginary doubt in reasonable doubt. what a reasonable person think the same way michael dunn did? and they decided, no, regional person not a reasonable person not
think the same way. >> always wondered if there have been no other incidents at all the ferguson, was a prosecutor doing a better job whether what was happening outside in mainstream america and a very good way had started to seep through and influence people on the question of whether black lives matter. >> i want to go to lucia mcbath testifying in congress. this is jordan davis's mother testifying at the first-ever u.s. senate hearing on "stand your ground" laws. this was october 29, 2013. >> i was raised in a family steeped in justice and confident in the triumphant goodness of humanity. my mother was a registered nurse and my father, who served in the u.s. army dental corps, was also, for over 20 years
president of the naacp for the state of illinois. he worked actively with president clinton johnson -- president johnson and the signing of the civil rights act of 1964. if he could see me here today testifying in front of the united states senate, he would be beaming with pride and amazed at how far his daughter had come . until he came to understand what brought me here. >> that is lucia mcbath testifying at the first-ever u.s. senate hearing on "stand your ground" laws, october 20 9 2013. you mentioned your father coming out of his civil rights background. what did your father do? >> he served on the executive board of the naacp nationally and also was the illinois branch president of the naacp for over 20 years. >> his name? >> lucian hamilton holmes.
>> so you are named after him? >> i am. it was interesting watching now how my father's work has really kind of come full circle, and i seem to be continuing to do the same kind of fork. >> ron, the issue of standard or ground? >> i testify before the florida state representatives about staying your ground. they have actually connected it with another doctrine, which is why it is hard to get it repealed. we have some representatives working on amending stand your ground. a couple of things we want to take away, one, the duty to retreat. we think all citizens have a duty to retreat and not confront each other. and also, we want to make sure people realize there is collateral damage. you can claim stand your ground and you shoot someone in another person in those innocent gets killed, right now, it is collateral damage.
that person can't be prosecuted for a crime or in a civil matter because they killed someone that has don't involved in your argument. >> what a second. if you are so-called standing your ground and you kill someone else in the process, that person is collateral damage? >> correct. if an argument happens, you are standing her ground and was ok to shoot her that person, if you miss and shoot and kill someone else, it is collateral damage. >> you are wearing a t-shirt that says rip jordan davis. are you involved with the black lives matter movement? >> yes i want to new york during the day of protest december 13, and we shut down broadway. we had over 50,000 people of all colors and races of all religions come out in new york city and protest. we protested in a peaceful manner. >> marc silver, what are you hoping to do with the film? >> it has been an honor to
launch at sundance, but what really we hope is to garner attention and that he gets out on tv and digital and cinemas. >> and your plans as you remember jordan, as you move into the future? he was your only child? >> but only child. i have taken on greater responsibility with an organization i work for as a national spokesperson and in outreach position. i am trying to garner support around the country am a make alliances with different organizations, faith-based, civic groups, political organizations and beginning to understand what is happening in the country with these dangers gun laws and creating a movement for commonsense legislation to change the laws. >> we have to leave it there, but we will continue to follow this movement. the film where talking about is, "3 1/2 minutes." it had its worldview here sundance. lucia mcbath and ron davis take you for being with us. our condolences. congratulations to marc silver
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