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men. one in tulsa, oklahoma, and one in charlotte, north carolina, where hundreds took to the street and blocked interstate 85 to protest the police shooting of 43-year-old african american keep lamont scott. we will get response. the president obama addresses the global migrant crisis in its final speech to the united nations. it is part of the first ever summit for refugees and migrants. pres. obama: i called this summit because this is one of the most urgent tests of our times, our capacity for collective action. it tests first and foremost our ability to end conflicts bececae so many of the world's refugees come from just three countries ravaged by wawar -- syria, afghanistan, and somaliaia. amy: we will get an update onn the refugee c crisis from mohamd badran and manfred lindenbaum. with oxfamo speak
president raymond offenheiser, then the u.s. objected to language of the original draft of the refugee summit revolution -- resolution that said children should never be detained. we will get response from a teenager held for more than a year at the berks county residential center, and immigrant family jail, in pennsylvania. of us here, for all the children and the mothers, this is a horrible looks france being in detention because more than a year of incarceration for a child is not just without having committed a crime. amy: we will stick with a former unaccompanied minor who fled honduras at the age of 15. all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. charlotte, north carolina, was rocked by protests overnight
after hundreds took to the street and blocked interstate 85 to protest the fatal police shooting of 43-year-old african american keith lamont scott on tuesday. video footage shows protesters blocking the highway, where fires were lit. police in riot gear responded by throwing tear gas at the crowds. police say about a dozen officers were hurt during the conflict. protesters were also injured. keith lamont scott was shot and killed around 4:00 p.m. after police arrived to serve an arrest warrant for another person at scott's housing complex. the accounts of the shooting diverge sharply. while the police claim they first tased and then shot scott because he was armed and "posed an imminent deadly threat," scott's family says he was not armed -- except with a book in hand. they say he'd been sitting in his car, waiting to pick up his son after school. this is scott's daughter speaking in a facebook live video recorded at the scene of
the shooting. >> what are they over there are doing? shot my daddy for being black? shot my daddy for being black. he is disabled. how's he going to shoot y'all. he aint got no gun. amy: police identified the officer who shot and killed scott as brentley vinson, who is black. three years earlier, police in charlotte shot and killed jonathan ferrell, an unarmed african-american college student who was seeking help after a car crash in 2013. officer randall kerrick fired 12 bullets at ferrell. officer kerrick was tried and acquitted of voluntary manslaughter last year. this comes as protests also erupted in tulsa, oklahoma, over the fatal police shooting of 40-year-old african american terence crutcher, who was shot by a w white police officer whie
his hands were in the air. hundreds gathered outside the tulsa police department demanding her firing. crutcher wasas shot and killed around 8:00 p.m. on frfriday afr s car broke down. some of the videdeo reased mond comomes from popolice helicopterer footage in which yu can hear the man in the helilicopter saying abouout crutcher, "that looks like a bad dude." fooootage from m police dasashcm videdeo shows crutcherer walking away from officers with his hands in the air, then putting his hands on the side of hisis o car as he's surrounded b b officers. the video cacaptures a voice ming over ththe police radadio saying, "he's just been tasered,d," and then a womanan's voice yelllling "shots firired,s the video shows crutcher's arms falling to the pavement. we will have more on both of these shootings with bree knew some of north carolina and vince warren of the center for constitutional rights.
in news from the war in syria, secrcretary of state j john kery and russiaian foreign minister sergei lavavrov are meeteting iw york city today to discuss the collapse of the ceasefire agreement in syria. this comes as the united states is saying russia is likely responsible for the attack on the u.n. aid convoys on monday, which destroyed 18 of the convoys as aid workers were unloading food and other supplies at a red crescent warehouse. the red cross says 20 people were killed. russia has denied responsibility. in updates to this weekend's bombings in new york and new jersey, suspect ahmad khan rahami has been charged in a manhattan federal court with bombing, property destruction , and the use of weapons of mass destruction. he was not charged with any terrorism related crimes. rahami is the main suspect in the bombings. police say they identified him from surveillance video which showed him at both sites , in manhattan where bombs were planted -- on 23rd street, where the bomb did explode, injuring 29 people, and four blocks away
on 27th street, where a bomb did not explode. authorities also say his finger prints were found on the device on 27th street. he was arrested after a shootout in linden, new jersey, on monday, in which he and officers were both injured, and he also faces multiple counts of attempted murder of a law enforcement officer. the charges filed tuesday in the manhattan courtroom suggest prosecutors have not been able to tie rahami to any non-state terrorist organizations. this comes as information continues to emerge about rahami. his father says rahami was arrested in 2014 for allegedly stabbing a family member. he was not indicted on the charges. his father says at the time, he called the fbi can refer to his son as a terrorist, prompting the fbi to open an investigation which found evidence to support his father's statement. in news from the campapaign tri, a new "washington post" investigation reveals donald trump used $258,000 from the
donald j. trump foundation to pay off legal fees associated with his businesses -- which is illegal under u.s. law. the disputes included $120,000 in unpaid fines over the height of a flag pole in palm beach, florida, and a dispute over a trump golf course e in new york. in both cases, trump reached settlemements that involved him paying out foundation money to other charities. but this money should have been paid by his for-profit businesses, not the foundation. a previous "washington post" investigation showed donald trump has not donated any of his own money to his foundation since 2008. meanwhile, the new "washington post" investigation alsoso reves trump used foundation money to buy advertisements for his hotels and to buy a $10,000 portrait -- of himself. this is now the second documented case of donald trump using his own foundation's money to buy portraits of himself. the other one was a six-foot tall portrait and cocost $20,00. meanwhile, trump's son, donald
trump, jr., continues to spark controversy with his comments that compared syrian refugees to poisoned skittles. on he tweeted a graphic reading monday, -- "if i had a bowl of skittles and i told you just three would kill you. would you take a handful? that's our syrian refugee problem." now the man who shot the photo ofof the skittles in thehe grapc has come forward, revealing he himself is a former refugee. david kittos lives in britain. he said -- "in 1974, when i was six-years old, i was a refugee from the turkish occupation of cyprus so i would never approve the use of this image against refugees." the parent company of skittles has also pushed back against the tweet, saying -- "skittles are candy. refugees are people. we don't feel it's an appropriate analogy." in financial news, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren grilled wells fargo ceo john stumpf
during his two-hour testimony to the senate banking committee tuesday over the growing scandal at the major wall street bank involving thousands of employees who took private customer information to create 2 million fake accounts in order to meet sales targets. the scandal dates back to at least 2011, and ceo john stumpf admits he's known about the practice since 2013. wells fargo has been fined $185 million. on tuesday, senator elizabeth warren called on stumpf to resign. >> but you squeezed your employees to the breaking point so they would cheat customers and you could drive up the value of your stock and put hundreds of millions of dollars in your own pocket. and when it all blew up, you kept your job, you kept your multimillion dollar bonuses, and you went on television to blame
thousands of $12 and hour employees who were just trying to meet quotas that made you rich. this is about accountability. you should resign. you should give act the money that you took while this scam was going on and you should be criminally investigated by both the department of justice and the securities and exchange commission. amy: here in new york, the united nations general assembly held its first-ever summit for refugees and migrants. the summit produced a nonbinding declaration detailing a more coordinated and humane response to the biggest migration upheaval since world war ii. president obama also announced the united states will resettle 110,000 refugees from around the world -- a nearly 60% increase from 2015, but still only a tiny fraction of the number of refugees resettled in other countries. only hours after the meeting was occurring in newework, a masasse fire swept throughgh a refugee
camp on the greek island of lesbos. the fire at the moria camp destroyed dozens of homes and tents and forced thousands of people to flee. we will have more on the summit for refugees and migrants later in the broadcast. in brussels, belgium as many as , 15,000 people marched tuesday to demand the eu abandon two controversial trade deals -- the transatlantic trade and investment partnership between the eu and the u.s., and the comprehensive economic and trade agreement between the eu and canada. this is one of the protesters. >> the aim of the treaty is true move all barriers to allow more competitivity, free trade, free market. at the problem is that those barriers also include food controls, food security, safety of the food chain, and that is not something we can tolerate as citizens, as human beings, fathers. amy: the transatlantic trade and
investment partnership would be the largest trade deal in the world. it's faced resistance both in the united states and across europe. in a landmark ruling, a federal judge in pennsylvania has ordered the immediate release of a prisoner from long-term solitary confinement. arthur "cetewayo" johnson has not touched another human other than a guard since 1979. he is challenging his conditions as cruel and unusual. he described his isolation in a statement for the court. "during my over 36 years in solitary confinement, my cell has been about 7 feet by 12 feet, smaller than many cages used to hold animals at zoos my cell has been lighted 24-hours per day, with no break during day or night. i have been allowed at most one hour of time outside, five days a week, in a fenced-in exercise cage that is slightly larger than my cell. i have been forced to eat all of my meals alone in my cell. each time i leave my cell i am
forced to undergo a mandatory strip search. i have not been accused of any serious disciplinary infraction in more than 25 years." on tuesday, judge christopher connor calleled for a plan withn a week to re-integrate johnson into general population in 90 days. johnson was convicted of homicide and sentenced to life without parole at age 18. he is now 64 years old. while behind bars he became , politicized though the black liberation movement. his case is handled by the abolitionist law center and jones day law firm. and in news from the ongoing movement to stop the $3.8 billion dakota access pipeline, standing rock sioux tribal chairman dave archambault has called on the united nations human rights council to oppose the project, saying the united states has failed to honor the tribe's sovereign rights and treaty land. >> while we have gone to the court in the united states, our
courts have failed to protect our sovereign rights, our sacred places, and our water. we call upon the human rights -- all and all members member states to condemn the construction of our sacred places and to support our nation's efforts to ensure our sovereign rights are respected. we asked that you call upon our parties -- all parties to stop the dakota pipeline and protect the e environment, our nation's future, our culture, and our way of life. amy: that is the chair of the standing rock sioux tribe speaking in geneva at the united nations human rights council on tuesday. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. we begin today's show looking at police killings of two unarmed african-american men. one in tulsa, oklahoma, and one in charlotte, north carolina, which was rocked by protests overnight after hundreds took to
the street and blocked interstate 85 to protest the fatal police shooting of 43-year-old africacan american keep lamonont scott. video foototage shows protesters blocking the highwhway, where firewere lit. policece in riot gear respspondy throwing tear r gas at the crow. police sayay about a dozen officers were e hurt during the conflilict. protestersrs were also hurt. amy: k keith lamont scott t wast and killlled around 4 pm tueuesy after r police arrivived to sern arrest warrarant for another peperson at scott's housing colex. the accounts of ththe shooting diverge shsharply. while the popolice claim they fifirst tased and ththen shot st because he w was armed and "posd an imminent deadadly thrhreat," scotott's family sayays he was t armed -- except t wi a book in hand. they say he'd been sitting in his car waiaiting to pick up his son after schohool. this is scott's daughter speaking in a facebook live video recorded at the scene of the shooting.
>> what are they doing? shot my daddy for being black? shot my daddy for being black. he is disabled. how is he gonna shoot y'all? juan: this comes as police in tulsa, oklklahoma,a, have releaa video showowing a white police officer shshooting and killing unarmed 40-year-old african american terence crutcher while his hands were in the air. officer betttty shelby shot crutcher around it :00 p.m. on after his car broke down. frfriday some e of the video released mononday came from m pe helicopter footage, in which one can hear the man in the hehelicopter saying about crutcr "that looks like a bad d dude, too." this is a clip frorom the police footage. >> this guy is still walking. not following commanands. > time for r taser, i thihin. >> i got a a feeling that is abt
to h happe >> that looks s like a b dude, too. >> which way are they facing? >> westbound.. i think he m may just have been tared. >> shots fired!. >> 321, shots firered. no one suspect down. get this eastbound closed down because they are not going to be of the let anybody -- >> ok. amy: other footage from a police dashcam vehicle shows crutcher walkingg slowly away from officers with his hands in thehe air, then putting g his hands on the siside of his own car as h's surroundnded by officers. the video captures a voice coming over the police radio saying "he's just been tasered" and then a woman's voice e yellg "shots fired" as the vidideo shs crutcher's s arms falling to the pavementnt. the justice e department says it is invnvestigatiting the shohoof terence crutcher as s a possible civil rights v violation..
on tuesday, hundreds gathered outside the polls of police department to demand the firing of officer betty shelby. for more we are joineded in new york by vince warren, executive director of the constitutional rights. on the phone with us, bree newsomee and actctivist. last year, shecaled the e 30 footot flalaole on the south carolina state capitol groununds and unhooked the confederate flag as police officers shouted at her to come down. bree shimmied to the top of the flagpole, took the flag and said "you come against me with hatred. i come against you in the name of god. this flag comes down today." she is from charlotte, north carolina. stream,cracy now! rashad robinson executive , director of color of change. we welcome you all to democracy
now! , you could riots call them uprisings, riots of fear and anger, protest in charlotte, north carolina, that --k place after the killing the police killing. can you talk about what you understand -- you are not there now, but what you understood took place? >> absolutely. i think what took place in charlotte, north carolina, in contact with folks who are on the ground there, we have witnessed several times in the past two years, what we have since thein america 1960's, at least, andnd this isn incident of popolice brutality that in n many ways is t the cal breaking -- i'm sosorry, the stw breakiking the camel's back. we have an issue of wealth inequality i in several incidens ofof police b brutality. one of the mosost notable cases was the case of jojonathan for , a yoyoung man who was gunnened n
by police who wawas also unarme. he had crashshed his carar and s looking for helplp. he knocked o on the door,r, the police s showed up and killed h. there was an a auittal in ththat cacase. casases, thisther moment that happppened last nig, ththis w was not an isolateded incicident. is is a tippining point, a kind of boiling over moment. for the city and for the nation, in a l lot of ways. folks are not just reacacting to what hapappened in charlotte, bt also in tulsa and baton rouge. , the issue,warren especially into also, a couple of things are quite different about this. we have the identity of the officer right away and also the video surfaced pretty quickly as opposed to in other instances where there have been battles over even gettining the v videoe police have availalable to the public. >> a couple of things on that. that was significant and i think it was important. let's be clear thehe police departments dodo not do this out
of the kindness of their hearts. they do it because of political pressure. it is exactly these types of theest we're seeing today, independent journalistss fightig for ththese things, make it politically hard for police department not to put those thinings forward. i i also want to point outut tht the full situation highlights a central problem with policing a black communities in particular which is they are trained to see noncompliance as escalation so they ask you to do something, if -- the police department increase the use of force and try to justify that afterwards. the good things about having the video situations, all of us can see for ourselves what really happened. i'm at the point now with the 193rd killing of a black man this year where i am not inclined -- don amy: the number again? >> 193 according to the guardian council. it is amazing to me that nobody in america can tell me specifically how many black people have been killed by police officers.
100 93, i'm quite prepared not to believe the police department narrative about anything that happened in these investigations and eyewitness reports become much more important. , what youd robinson understand about what took place in tulsa? -- onotest coming out monday, the video being released by the police as helicopter which is truly remarkable, showing terence crutcher with his hands in the air walking very slowly. his car had been roque and down. walking to his carar and putting his hands on the car. the windows were up on the car. is justwe understand -- much blblack peoe are not this video was n not released dt of the goodness off the hearts f the local polilice department tn tulsa. it was releasesed because they knew they hahad to start f figug out how to get ahead of this
story to g the v video was simply that bad. in situations like this, over and over again, we watch as police departments concoct storiess. and d now we're seeing stories about drugs. stories they would not have known he had drugs in the car if -- all of these reasons that try to legitimize the fact the police were unable to sort of de-escalate and solvlve the situation, unable to figure out a story that makes it ok that a gun was pulled out and a man was shot dead. and police officers stood around for a while as this man laid on the ground and did not even try to get him medical help. this speaks to the ongoingay that from the start,lalack peopop are never given the benefit thehe dou, are no seen as man, areeen as emy mbatants. aneven in eir deatat, are seen anot deservi medical suort a a desererng of thth
sisituatio this officer needso be fir becae we continue to co to the cocoersations where people nt c commuties t tcome gethth, one cocoersation get the get -- we don' resusus that send a message poce offffers that they wi be hd accounble.e. buwe alslsneed to h hava rger c conrsation because t this isisot aboututne bad apple or two o d apples. th is about systemic problemss ininolice e partments around the cotry. and suctures atat makit o ok. d think abouthe killi of blblack ople over and over and heergain a and nice how cannal. y: i thi this is a tling comment from a p proteer com extremely angry last night in charlotte, north carolina. jersey, new in new york, he was taken alive. they said they wanted to question him. because you want to russian him, does his life mean more than our black men across the nation? sot from cnnhave a
or she is saying, you are telling me that you do not kill a man is being referred to as a terrorist in new york, you can take him alive because you want him for questioning, but an african-american man you shoot dead. >> absolutely. that is precise question i think we are talking about. that blalack lives are so dehumanized, that it is ok structurally, ok within the context of the police department and the criminal justice system, to kill black people. the reason why i t think the cor of change petition is so important is because a police officer is the only job in america where you can kill somebody and then you get desk duty. desk duty almost becomes the defaulult mechanism. if you a ask anybody what is gog to happen with these cases, people don't believe this police officer -- either of these
police officers will face serious charges or will get indicted or convicted or they will get sentenced. people do not believe it. we have lost complete faith in the system because the system is designed to do the exact opposite of what black people need. juan: rashad robinson, what about the issue now that thehe justice department jumped in right away saying they're going to do an investigation? we've seeeen this happen titime after time a after many of these shootings. what inevitably happens, the justice department on must always decides there is no criminal offense, even on the civil rights violations, that they can prosecute. >> this is part of the structural change that we need. the justice department actually does not have a real budget for these types of investigations. this is part of the problem. and currenently, the standard ds soso high for ththe justice department t to bring charges, that over anand over in t the sisituations, they mayay actualy find problemems but -- anand sisituations in which h police departments or i individual pole acted inappropriately, anand thy
cannnnot bring charges because they cannonot meet the s standad that is s so h high and so hardo get over that i in fact, it reay makes these situatations ok ovor and overer again. so part of the long-termrm syststemic work we havave to do- and we've been working on that, some of those campaigns arare on -- wefchange.org as welell need to find thehe local dollars that goo into local polilice departments to their performance and stop giving hugege sums of momoney to policice department d basic standndards. if we can n defund local schooos for not t meing standards s but still give huge grants to local police departments that do not value our lives, then we're not dealing with the incentive structures and not sort of shifting the power dynamic and forcing real change.
if we don't do with the fact the standards are so high that we can never hold anyone accountable, then we will be in the situation 5, 10, 15 years from now. we will have people calling for the unity, asking black people to stand down and be peaceful and not be upset, to tell people to give police officers the benefit of the doubt when blackk people never get the benefit of the doubt. we need systemic change. amy: i want to ask bree newsome, i mean, to remind people, when you climbed that flagpole on the grounds of the columbia state said in south carolina and this like him saturday, the confederate flag, in response to the killing of the beautiful nine, the nine people the immanuel church in charleston, south carolina and their pastor byment take me -- think me whites from us is to wrap himself in the confederate flag. in this case, you have keep
lamont scott killed by an brittn-american officer levinsohn and in tulsa, you have a white woman police officer, betty shelby, who killed terence crutcher. your response? been a focus on what is the race of the police officer. that is not the issue. everyone can participate in the whites of premises system. we have to realize the policing system in america is rooted in slavery and slave patrols. i would argue that slavery never ended because in the 13th amendment, it is codified that slavery is legal in cases of criminal punishment. we look at history, we see as soon as emancipation happened -- i leave that is the root of police brutality as it exists today. what happened in trenton last year was also within the context of police brutality as well.
clement taking the had just succeeded in getting body cam a legislation passed in response to the walter scott case. police brutality has always been woven throughout the story of civil rights and the struggle for equality in america. this issue is as old as policing in americaa. >> amy: and walter scott was stopped for a traffic stop in a police officer blew him away as he ran through a park. it was only caught because of bystander flipped open his phone and started to film. we will continue to cover this. , thank you for joining us, artists and activists from chaharlotte, norh carolilina. vince warren is exexecutive director of the center for constitutional rights. and rashad robinson is executive director of color of change. he has launched a petition titled "terence crutcher died for being black and that officer
i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn now to the meeting of 193 member states of the united nations for the first-ever summit for refugees and migrants in new york city. the summit produced a nonbinding declaration detailing a more coordinated and humane response to the biggest migration upheaval since world war ii. president obama used his eighth and final address to the u.n. general assembly as president to announce a pledge by 50 countries to admit 360,000 refugees from conflict-ridden areas this year. he said world leaders have vowed to double the number from last year. amy: a record 65 million people have been displaced by conflicts around the world. this is the first time the number of migrants has topped 60 million. most have fled to areas withthin their own countries, largely in syriria and iraq, but about 21 million refugees have been forced to leave theicocountries
due to conflict or p persecutio. nine million people have been displaced by the six-year conflict in syria alone, while more than 4 million others have fled the country. despite the focus on the influx of refugees in european countries, 86% of the world's refugees are hosted in developing regions close to conflict zones like turkey, jordan, and ethiopia. speaking tuesday, president obama urged wealthy countries to do more to help resolve the global refugee problem. pres. obama: we have to imagine what it would be like for our family, for our children is the unspeakable happened to us. and we should all understand that, ultimately, our world would be more secure if we are prepared to help those in need and the nations who are carrying the largest burden with respect to accommodating these refugees. juan: president obama also announced the united states will resettle 110,000 refugees from around the world -- a nearly 60% crcrease frorom 2015.
amy: for more we're joined by three guests. in washington, d.c., mohammed badran is a co-founder of syrian volunteers in the netherlands. on monday, he spoke at the u.n. summit on refugees and migrants. and here in new york, manfred lindenbaum is a holocaust survivor and advocate for refugees. in 1939, manfred and his brother fled from germany to poland and then to england on the famous kindertransport just days before the nazis invaded. in 1946, the jewish refugee organization hias s reunited manfred with an aunt and an uncle living in new jersey. he has been in the u.s. ever since. also with us is raymond offenheiser, president of the international humanitarian and development organization oxfam america. the organization is participating in this year's united nations general assembly. we welcome you all to democracy now! let's start with raymond offenheiser. talk about whahat has to be done
right now. we're seeing the largest influx of refugees and strolled war to. >-- world war ii. said, basically the focus was this declaration for refugees and migrants it was a sickly put together this summer and negotiated the summer and brought to the u.n. general assembly for approval. at the heart of the problem is this disproportionate responsibility being felt by the neighboring countries in a way you mentioned, and the idea of having the summit was to get commitments about burden sharing. unfortunately, what we found at the end of the day was sort of a minimalist approach to the when governments were negotiating the final outcome. so we did not get the kinds of burden sharing commitments we hoped for, but rather we got a reaffirmation of commitments to a sick principals on the convention of refugees from 1951 in the protocol of 1967, but we did not get bold commitments for the kind of buburden sharing across the hosting and not hosting countries that we hoped
would be at the heart of this agreement. juan: could you be more specific about this burden sharing? clearly, we're getting all of the attention to what is happening to the refugees coming into europe and we're seeing the presidential debate the battle over how we're going to do it people coming to the u.s., but what are the countries and what other problems faced by the developing countries to the conflict zones? >> as you reported in the past, country lilike lebanon with literally one million plus refugees in a country of 4 million were your sink operable one was one point finally and or so in jordan in a country of 6 millioion. the state ofin massachusetts. how do you support that? these neighboring countries have an extraordinarily generous in providing basic education, health services and so forth. the world bank has tried to subsidize t that but we're not t a point where thesee countries - we are at a point where these countries are unable to manage this.
the international community in this type of crisis has got to begin to develop new systems and approaches and a more robust way of dealing with this, particularly the burden sharing across countries. one of the key statistics to remember is the five or six wealthiest countries in the world only host 9% of the refugee population. amy: in syria, the u.n. has suspended all eight after its aid convoys were attacked by war planes outside of aleppo. oxfam had 9000 hygiene kits ready to b be delivered to a aleppo, but all aid has been halted? >> correct. and the cease-fire is over so we're in a situation where some 31 trucks did not get in and there's little promise they will. was anview, this outrageous act. everyone knew the convoy was on the road. they had been waiting for days for a green light to get in. there was an attack in a double hit. the convoy was hit twice on that road. literally, the consequences, all
of those people that would have been r receiving that aid, will not receive it. there's little clarity as to how we're going to return. juan: we're also joined by mohammed badran, cofounder of syrian volunteers. what was the message you gave to the summit and can you talk to but euro and experience as a refugee? >> absolutely. our message was really clear at the summit. we showed the international community that they have to do more for refugees and we showed them that being a refugee is more of an experience, that -- you will feel like you need help, but afterwards, you can't provide help. not as always staying a victim. people look at you that you are, you k know, they always underestimate you. that was our message to --
during the u.n. summit. we f focused on h how the her educatation i is actuaually almt impossible t to get access to universities. that was our message. amy: i also want to bring in manfred lindenbaum. bring along, historical perspective to all of this. can you explain how you as a child became a refugee? >> when i heard about this conference at the united nations, my mind immediately went back to the evian conference in france in 1938 at which the countries got together and decided no matter what happens, we are not taking in any children refugees, taking in no refugeess led by the united states, one country after another said that. and three weeks later, 17,000 of
actuallyn germany were rounded up and d taken to the border and chased across the border, physically chased across the border into poland. my fear was, is this going to be one of these conferences where everybody says nice things and then in effect, says it is going to continue as before? i did not feel quite that pessimistic. i think it has brought it back onon the front page -- amy: explain what happened when you got to poland. what was this kindred transport? -- byn i got to poland, the way, when we got to poland, were two hours, there relief organizations which came. things -- and is
think refugees today can relate to that -- they brought as things like bags to put straw in so we did not sleep on the ground. amy: how old were you? >> i was six. some people slept in the stables. we got into the fourth story of a burned-out building with no facilities in it. we were there for 10 months. amy: what was the kindred transport? >> it was with the germany army was on the border. it was over because the united states at that point said we're not taking in any jewish children. they could not get their bill out of committee. england had decided under great pressure to take in 10,000 that were already there. as thelast minute, german army was coming over, they got as -- they got a few hundred of us onto a polish warship. that took me and my brother to
england. they would not let my sister on. she was 14. so she was murdered with the rest of my family. juan: raymond offenheiser, this issue of the children and the then thing that would not take any more jewish children. part of the problem this year is that the united a's was objecting to calls for no detention for children who were refugees and concerned about its policies toward central american refugees on the southern border. ququit the u.s. objected to the fifinal draft of the declaration in the middle of the summer and held up the final vote for two days over this particular issue. they wanted to put in language that would allow the possibility , particularly inn reference to the central american border cases, where there is active detention going on. ththis was very specifific movey the u.s. that really would require the entire process to
stop and which to be put into allow for that. amy: we will talk about that in our next segment. i want to ask our guests manfred lindenbaum about the comment of republican presidential candidate donald trumps oldest son, donald trump, junior, who compared syrian refugees to poison skittles. he tweeted a graphic that said if i had ebola skittles and i told you just three would kill you, would you take a handful? that is our syrian refugee problem. the company that makes skittles backwent on to tweet saying -- .kittles are candy refugees are people. we do not feel it is an appropriate analogy. your response when you heard? >> i think is absolutely horrible. it brings back the dark images of children being murdered.
i can only feel horrible for him that he has such a twisted mentality that he is able to come out with that. he is a very poor individual. amy: mohammed badran, he was talking about syrian refugees. your response? know, firstly, i talked not only about syrian refugees. i talk about all refugees. i talk about how we all are contribute in to society -- contributing to society where we are living. this is, like, you know, -- for what he said. juan: i want to ask you about your experience. your been cofounding the syrian volunteers in the netherlands.
how has the netherlands responded compared to other european countries to the refugee crisis? netherlands, at the moment there's a great initiative coming from the citizens, from the dutch locals, to help refugees with integration. sometimesis still challenges that you have to challenge in your community and your society. we are working on this. but i think the netherlands, i ul to beeally great so such a great country. amy: we want to thank you all for being with us. we've been speaking with manfred lindenbaum, survivor of the holocaust. he and his brother made it over on the kindertransport.
juan: we continue to look at the u.n. summit for refugees and migrants which produced a nonbinding declaration of developing accord needed and humane response to the migration crisis. the united states objected to language in the original draft of the resolution that said children should never be detained. the agreement ultimately said children should "seldom, if ever, be detained" and calls it a "measure of last resort." this comes as teenagers held at the berks county residential center -- an immigrant family jail in pennsylvania -- are protesting their indefinite detention. some have been held more than a year while they seek asylum with their mothers, who are also detained. this is 16-year-old estefany adriana mendez from el salvador responding to the u.s.'s insistencece on changing thehe language of the summit's declaration. they said before they
rejected it completely, but now they're saying it is an alternative measure and i think it should not be that way because the truth for all of us here, the children who are here and the mothers him and this is a horrible looks aryans to be in detention. because more than he year of incarceration for a child is not just without having committed any crime. the majority of us were here, almost all of us, really, all of us, have family. we have family here to receive us. i family in maryland, los angeles, and florida. my father is in texas waiting for us. i am 16 years old. i am from el salvador and enter the 20th of august in 2015. i arrived at delhi, texas, the 26th of august and i was in that place for two months. they're my birthday passed. i turned 16. on the 20th of october, we hereed at berks and i been
for 11 months. in total, i have 393 days in detention and soon it will be my birthday. truthfully, i hope not to turn 17 here, again, while incarcerated. amy: that's 16-year-old estefany adriana mendez from el salvador. for more we are joined by two guests who participated on monday in a shadow summit to discuss the u.s. response to central american refugees. dr. allen keller is associate professor of medicine at nyu school of medicine and co-founder and directer of the bellevue/nyu program for survivors of torture and the nyu center for health and human rights. he is recognized internationally for his expertise in evaluating and caring for survivors of torture. we're also joined in this segment by elvis garcia, a former unaccompanied minor who fled honduras at the age of 15.
dr. allen keller, let's go right to the u.s. change of the language of the resolution. explain what happened. >> well, it just goes to show language matters. asit were a simple as saying a matter of last resort we detain children, that sounds palatable. but i must tell you, the children at berks and the thousands of women and children who have been detained from central america and for whom this is not a measure of last resort, the first, second, and third resort. and in addition n to those teenagers that were mentioned, it is important to note that in this blog a family detention centers that has sprung up around the country, over the cocourse of the last year, there been thousands of infantnts at berks, for example, several children who celebrated their
first and second birthdays there. these are kids. in addition to the young adults you mentioned. it can only be said that these children and young adults are being robbed of that most sacred thing -- childhood. and what really scares me is that in ththe case of the centrl americans, it is without adequate protection. messagevis garcia, what did you bring -- talk about your own experience leaving your homeland, honduras, when you were 15 years old. >> my messages the united states has to do more, not only the u.s., but all of the other countries in the world. they have to start working, they have to start doing a little bit more for refugees and immigrants . my opinion on this is that they have to start treating what is
happening in central america as a humanitarian crisis. you see that all of these children, families, are leaving because of violence. it is important for the u.s. to start viewing this as a humanitarian crisis. keller,ant to ask dr. how did the u.s. exactly lobby to change no kids should be in detention, which now is not just about the u.s., it is about the whole world, to only seldom? how do they do it behind the scenes? >> because the united states has power. frankly, it has always been the case. in international politics, we play hardball. to awhole issue speaks witha me or disconnect president obama. i mean, his words about humanizing refugees i think are so compelling, so important. and i deeply believe he means them. on the other hand, somewhere
along the line in his head or his policy advisors it clicked, oh, these children and women are not refugees. --it all comes back to there's a saying in science, garbage in/garbage out. so the underlying problem from the very beginning, we did not realize or perceive them as refugees. we perceived them as illegal immigrants and the solution was enforcement. when the solution is enforcement, the solution is detention. when it is a humanitarian crisis, there are other things. it also speaks to -- the president mention this as well -- how we look at refugees has changed. we used to think of refugees as a group that was there for a few a year.onths, maybe we have refugee camps around the world that basically have been there for more than 20 years. the central americans also demand us to broaden how we think about refugees, both in terms of how we treat them and how we address the root caususe. juan: i think probably president
obama's most quoted line from yesterday's address was that countries who build walls imprisoned themselves, yet here we are in essence, his policy is imprisoning people once they get into the united states. >> that is why i remain, in spite of being deeply frustrated and saddened, i also remain deeply optimistic because i know the president means that. i know his advisers knew. and with a stroke of a can, he could end family detention. i look forward to holding that piece of paper for him to do so. this is a matter not only of human rights, but health. amy: with the stroke of a pen, he changed the language so it would not be a resolution anywhere in the world that children cannot be detained. for that i wanted to get elvis, your comment. your response to children detained? >> i don't think there should be
detention for anybody who is seeking protection. we understand there are thousands of families fleeing central america because of violence. they come to the u.s. looking for protections. i think we should start welcoming immigrants and refugees to the u.s., not putting them in detention. especially when n they come looking for protection. we should provide a protection instead of putting them in detention facilities. amy: we have 10 seconds. has: quickly, how violence risen so quickly over the last 10, 15 years and central america? >> it has. when i came to the u.s., even though there were a lot of islands where i was living, i can mainly for economic reasons. but that has changed. many of the children that are coming today to the u.s. are coming because of gang violence, because of violence in the area.