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09/27/16 09/27/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! mrs. clinton: i think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990's. i think about what worked -- mr. trump: he approved -- amy: in one of the most anticipated debates of recent history, donald trump and hillary clinton sparred last night on trade, policing, race, terrorism, and jobs.
in their first of three debates before the november election will stop mr. trump: i have much better judgment than she does. there's no question. i have a much better temperament than she has. mrs. clinton: i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. and i think that is a good thing. amy: today we expand the debate by giving green party presidential candidate dr. jill was barred from participating, a chance to respond to the same questions posed to donald trump and hillary clinton. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. donald trump and hillary clinton faced off monday night in the most anticipated debates in u.s. history. the debate was held at hofstra university on long island and it
was moderated by "nbc nightly news" anchor lester holt. ahead of the event, tv network executives predicted as many as 100 million people across the united states would tune in. many more also watched from around the world, including across asia, europe, and in latin america. third-party candidates, including libertarian gary johnson and the green party's jill stein, were excluded from the debate stage under stringent rules set by the commission on presidential debates, which is controlled by the democratic and republican parties. throughout the 90 minutes often antagonistic debate, clinton and trump sparred on everything from foreign policy to trade deals. to personal stamina. these are the candidates clashing over the transpacific partnership known as the tpp. trump: you called it the gold standard. you said is the finest oh you have ever seen. you heard what i said and all of a sudden you were against it.
mrs. clinton: i know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. i did say i hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated, which i was not responsible for, i concluded it wasn't. mr. trump: so is it president obama's fault that go amy: the candidates also clashed repeatedly on foreign policy, including their record on the u.s. invasion of iraq. this is hillary clinton. mrs. clinton: donald supported the invasion of iraq. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: it is proved overr and over again. he advocated for the actions we took in libya and urged that qaddafi be taken out after actually doing some business with him one time. amy: hundreds of people protested outside the debate at hofstra university to demand the presidential debates be opened up to third-party candidates. at least 24 people were arrested. green party presidential nominee dr. jill stein was escorted off campus by hofstra security and
nassau county police, despite the fact she was invited on site by msnbc, abc, fox, and cbs for interviews. we will be joined by dr. jill stein for our to our -- two-hour "expanding the debate" democracy now! special broadcast. and to see our full report on the protests at hofstra university go to our website, , democracynow.org. in syria, the assad government and russia are continuing an unprecedented bombing campaign against the city of aleppo for the fourth straight day. as many as 100 people have died since friday. witnesses describe it as the worst assault in the five-year civil war. united natations secreta g genel ban ki-moooon has expressed outrage e at the reports the russiaians have begun n using so-called bunker-busting bombs, which can n destroy y undergroud shelters and are s so powerful, they leave deep p craters in thr wake. this i is u.s. ambasassador to e uniteded nations samamantha pows speaking sunday. havessia and assad
reportedly lost more than 150 airstrikes over the last 72 hours, killing at least 139 people and injuring hundreds more. laying waste to what is left of an iconic middle eastern city. these are people who have suffered horribly in the 5.5 years of war, yet they call the attacks from the air unprecedented in quantity and quality. amy: in n mexico city, tens of thousands of people marched to mark the second anniversrsary of the kidnapping of 43 students from the ayotzinapa teachers' college in the southern mexican state of guerrero. the students were attacked by local police and subsequently went missing. an investigation by a team of international human rights experts has cast down on the mexican government's account that the students were kidnapped by a local drug gang. the experts instead found evidence state, federal and military personnel were present on the night of the disappearance. the experts have also accused the mexican government of stonewalling and retaliating
against investigators. last week, a united nations representative visited the ayotzinapa school and warned of a "climate of impupunity." this is the momother of one of e disappearered studentsts, mariae jesus tlatempa, speaeaking durig monday's march. >> we had to open eyes and realize inin what worlrld we are living i in, a worldld of impun. theyey want our r sons to be forgotten. but they'rere not goingng to sud because we goingng to keep o onh our dignified struggggle will sp week, as m mothers andnd father, are gogoing to demand, not ask,, but demand they present our sons alive because that is how they took them. the police took them away alive. amy: hundreds more people marked the second anniversary of the 43 students' disappearance in australia, los angeles and in new york city, where antonio tizapa, the father of one of the disappeared students, thanked the demonstrators. >> we feel this energy that
comes from those hearts without knowing those students went out to the streets to the mexican consulate to prorotest and demad they give back those kids alive. we as parents are very happy on that aspect. amy: in colombia, the government and farc rebels have signed the historic peace deal l during a ceremony in the cocoastal city f cartagena monday. the signing is the latest step in the efforts to end one of the world's longest conflicts. it began in 1964 and has claimed some 220,000 lives. more than 5 million people are estimated to have been displaced. on sunday, colombians will vote in a nationwide referendum over whether to ratify the peace deal. in texas, at least nine people werere woundeded after a gunman openeded fire at a s shopping cr inin houston on monday morning before being killed by police. police have named the suspected gunman as nathan desai. police say he was carrying nazi emblems and had d civil war paraphernanalia in hisar.. police say they recovered a .45 semi-automatic tommy gun, as well as 2600 rounds of live ammunition at the scene.
one of his victims is in critical condition. this comes as new data released by the fbi on monday shows murders in the united states jumped more than 10% last year. it's the biggest increase in the homicide rate since 2971. -- since 1971. the data shows the increase most affected african american men -- at least 900 more were killed in 2015 than during the previous year. in alabama, prison officials have confirmed a group of correction officers refused to report for the evening shift saturday at the holman correctional facility in atmore. the apparent work strike comes as guards have been walking off the job amid safety concerns and overcrowding throughout the summer. this is incarcerated organizer kinetic justice, speaking from inside the holman prison on saturday. listen closely. >> it is official. at 6:00, no officers came to work. none came to work. none of the officers came to work.
passing every cell. no officers came to work. they completely bucked on the administration. no more will they be pawns in the game. amy: this comes as the largest prison work strike in u.s. history contininues. "mask magazine," which has been tracking the strike, reports as of last week, at leaeast 46 prisons and jails s across the united states hahave seen some form of protest or lock down since the strike began on september 9. the incarcerated workers organizing committee says at one about 202000 prisoneners were on point, strike. in news from the ongoing struggle at standing rock in north dakota, the dakota access pipeline company has bought thousands of acres of land from private landowners just north of the site where thousands of native americans representing hundreds of tribes are camped out to resist the pipeline's construction. the purchase of the land known as cannonball ranch includes the sacred tribal burial site that was destroyed by the dakota access pipeline company on september 3 when the company's
security guards attacked native americans with dogs and pepper spray. this comes as hollywood star robert redford has spoken out in support of the fight against the dakota access pipeline, saying -- "if this is legal, one must seriously question the laws of the land. they are laws that prioritize the profits of energy companies over the rights of people who actually have to live on the land, drink its water, and eat its food." president obama also commented on the ongoing struggle on as he hosted a conference for monday native american tribes at the white house. togetherma: have come to support the community of standing rock and together you are making your voices heard. amy: andnd the head of the u.n.. working group of experts on people of african descent has compared police killings of african americans in the united states to lynchings. the comments come as protests continue in charlotte, north carolina, over the police killing of keith lamont scott, and in tulsa, oklahoma, over the police killing of terrence
crutcher. this is u.n. representative, ricardo sunga, speaking today in geneva. >> the police killings and the promise they create are reminiscent of the past racial of lynching. impunity for state violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency. the working group is convinced that the root of the problem lies in the serious lack of accountability for perpetrators of such killings, despite the evidence. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in one of the most anticipated debates in recent u.s. history donald trump and hillary clinton , sparred last night on race, terrorism, trade, jobs and stamina in their first of three debates before the november election. in a moment, we wiwill air excerpts from the debate and
expand the debate by giving green party presidential candidate jill stein a chance to respond to the same questions posed to the major party candidates. stein and libertarian presidential canandidate gary johnson were excluded from last night's debate at hofstra university under stringent rules set by the commission on presidential debates, which is controlled by the democratic and republican parties. on monday afternoon, stein was escorted off the campus by hofstra security and nassau county police as she attempted to do an interview with msnbc. just before the official debate began, stein addressed supporters who were protesting the exclusion of third party candidates. democracy now! was there. >> what do you want? >> open debates. today is a turning point. we could no longer going to the future and allow ourselves to be
silenced, intimidated, and to have our political power ripped from us. so we say it is time to reject the lesser evil and to fight for the greater good. [applause] and we will go forward knowing that we do have the power to create in america and a world that works for all of us and the power to create that world is not just in our hopes, not just in our dreams. right here and now, outside the barred gates of hofstra university, that power is in our hands. >> let her in! >> we just want to get at what happened today. democracy now!, what happened today? dr. stein: we were invited to speak to the media and we had had several interviews. we were at fox. we were at cbs. and we were on our weight to an
msnbc interview because the students were so excited about our presence, they attracted the attention of security. we were escorted off the campus. wille going to ask if they open the debates. >> we have a right. to participate in nonviolent civil disobedience. >> currently you are blocking traffic allowing people to come in -- dr. stein: ok. wait for them to bring us somebody from the commission. have a seat. >> we're demanding jill stein to get to the base because this is supposed to be a democracy. we're supposed to have dialogue amongst many people, not just teed up. the commission on debate is controlled by the republicans and democrats. we're demanding in america were
supposedly we have freedom us reached open the debate and let jill stein and gary johnson participate in them. >> ladies and gentlemen, you are obstructing regular traffic. if you refuse to move, you're subject to arrest. >> we are blocking the road because we want an open debate. they want an open road which will affect a few handful of vehicles. we want an open debate that will affect the entire world. we either move or we get arrested. i am prepared to get arrested. >> can you narrate what is happening? >> i am going to jail for trying to make sure -- i'm having handcuffs put on an going to jump because i believe everybody should be partrt of the presididential debate. amy: that was sherry how collect, the vice presididential candidate in 2012 from the green party. a special thanks for that
report. while the green party's jill stein was escorted off the campus at hofstra, what would it sound like if she actually participated in the debate? today, as is our tradition, democracy now! expands the debate. debate moderator lester holt will ask hillary clinton and donald trump questions. after their responses, we will give dr. jill stein a chance to answer the same question from her own podium. we invited libertarian candidate gary johnson to join us as well, but he could not make it. nbc news holt lester holt, take it away. >> we're calling this achieving prosperity. central to that is jobs. they're t two economimic realits in america t today. there e has been a recorord exta years of jobob growth and newew cecensus numbers show incomes he increased at a record rate after years of stagnation. however, income inequality remains significant, and nearly half of americans are living
paycheck to paycheck. beginning with you, secretary clinton, why are you a better choice than your opponent to create the kinds of jobs that will put more money into the pockets of american works? mrs. clinton: well, thank you, lester, and thanks to hofstra for hosting us. the central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together. today is my granddaughter's second birthday, so i think about this a lot. first, we have to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. that means we need new jobs, good jobs, with rising incomes. i want us to invest in you. i want us to invest in your future. that means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean, renewable energy, and small business, because most of the new jobs will come from small business. we also have to make the economy fairer. that starts with raising the
national minimum wage and also guarantee, finally, equal pay for women's work. i also want to see more companies do profit-sharing. if you help create the profits, you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top. and i want us to do more to support people who are struggling to balance family and work. i've heard from so many of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you're under. so let's have paid family leave, earned sick days. let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college. how are we going to do it? we're going to do it by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close the corporate loopholes. finally, we tonight are on the stage together, donald trump and i. donald, it's good to be with you. we're going to have a debate where we are talking about the important issues facing our country. you have to judge usus, who can
shoulder the immense, awesome responsibilities of the presidency, who can put into action the plans that will make your life better. i hope that i will be abable to earn your vote on november 8. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, the same question to you. it's about putting money -- more money into the pockets of american workers. you have up to two minutes. mr. trump: thank you, lester. our jobs are fleeing the country. they're going to mexico. they're going to many otherer countries. you look at what china is doing to our country in terms of making our product. they're devaluing their currency, and there's nobody in our government to fifight them. and we have a very good fight. and we have a winning fight. because they're using our country as a piggy bank to rebuild china, and many other countries are doing the same thing. so we're losing our good jobs, so many of them. when you look at what's happening in mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants said it's the eighth wonder of the world. they're building some of the biggest plants anywhere in the
world, some of the most sophisticated, some of the best plants. with the united states, as he said, not so much. so ford is leaving. you see that, their small car division leaving. thousands of jobs leaving michigan, leaving ohio. they're all leaving. and we can't allow it to happen anymore. as far as child care is concerned and so many other things, i think hillary and i agree on that. we probably disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do, but perhaps we'll be talking about that later. but we have to stop our jobs from being stolen from us. we have to stop our companies from leaving the united states and with it firing all of their , people. all you have to do is take a look at carrier air conditioning in indianapolis. they left -- fired 1400 people. they're going to mexico. so many hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. we cannot let it happen.
under my plan, i'll be reducing taxes tremendously, from 35% to 15% for companies, small and big businesses. that's going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since ronald reagan. it's going to be a beautiful thing to watch. companies will come. they will build. they will expand. new companies will start. and i look very, very much forward to doing it. we have to renegotiate our trade deals, and we have to stop these countries from stealing our companies and our jobs. amy: dr. jill stein. dr. stein: i will start by thanking democracy now! for holding a real debate with the american people. -- american people are clamoring for. over 75% of americans are saying they wanted open debebate. the two candidates of the establishment parties are the int disliked and untrusted our history, so we owe the american people a full debate.
on this question of prosperity, i think k donald trump knows w t he is talkingg about about the off shoring of jobs because in fact, donald trump has off short all of his jobs aside from his real estate. all of the products that he manufactures and markets in fact are produced offshore. he has been an advocate of closing factories, moving them offshore or down south, and then moving them back -- in this case, to michigan -- so workers wages can be suppressed. indeed, does exemplify the very problem he is talking about. the prosperity issue has really reached crisis proportions because prospererity has gone to the top, not to american workers who are struggling. half of americans are basically in poverty or near poverty and struggling to survive. so we need truly transformative solutions. this will not be solved around the margins. my campaign is calling for a
green new deal, which is emergency jobs program that will create 20 million good wage, living wage jobs as part of solving the emergency of climate change. clean,all for 100% renewable energy by 2030 and time to o actually solve the climate crisis. and in doing so, we would revive the economy, turn the tide on climate change, and actually improve our health so much by phasing out fossil fuels -- which in fact, kill 200,000 people every year and cause lots or illness in addition to that -- but we gain so much money by saving on these needless sick carex miniatures that that savings alone is enough to pay the cost of the green new deal. in addition, 100% of her noble energy makes wars for oil obsolete. we call for cutting thehe mility budget from thisis bloated, dangerous budget which is bankrupting us and putting o our
dollars in a true security here at home. amy: hillaryclinton. the to go i know how to work to get new jobs and to get exports that helped to create more new jobs. mr. trump: you have not done it and 36 years or 26 years. mrs. clinton: i have been secretary of state -- mr. trump: your husband signed nafta, which is one of the worst things that ever happened. quentin go well, that's your opinion. that is your opinion. mr. trump: you go to new england, you go to ohio, pennsylvania, you go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation where manufacture is down 30, 40, sometimes 50%. nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere, but certainly ever signed in this country. and now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard what i was saying, how bad it is, and you said, i can't win that debate. but you know that if you did win, you would approve that, and that will be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will ever top nafta. mrs. clinton: well, that is just
not accurate. i was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- mr. trump: you called it the gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've evever seen.. mrs. clinton: no. mr. trump: and then you heard what i said about it, and all of a sudden you were against it. mrs. clinton: well, donald, i know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. the facts are -- i did say i hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated -- mr. trump: not. mrs. clinton: which i was not responsible for, i concluded it wasn't. i wrote about that in my book -- mr. trump: so is it president obama's fault? secretary, is it president obama's fault? because he's pushing it. mrs. clinton: there are different views about what's good for our country, our economy, and our leadership in the world. and i think it's important to look at what we need to do to get the economy going again. that's why i said new jobs with rising incomes, investments, not in more tax cuts that would add $5 trillion to the debt.
mr. trump: but you have no plan. mrs. clinton: but in -- oh, but i do. mr. trump: secretary, you have no plan. amy: chill stein. dr. stein: more heat than light coming out of last ice debate. in addition to establishing an emergency jobs program, we need to do another major initiative and that is to end the predatory student loan debt which is basically held an entire generation hostage, unable to actually participate in the economy and create a decent future for themselves. so we call for bailing out the students as the democrats and republicans bailed out wall street after wall street had crashed the economy through their waste, fraud, and abuse. we say it is about time to bail out the victims of that abuse. this would be the stimulus package of our dreres to unleaeh an entire generation that has
the skills, passion, and vision. they need to be turned loose by canceling that that. there are manyny ways we c can y for that. it is $1.3 trillion. ion toe up with$16 trill bailout wall street when they needed it. we could create a small tax on wall street, for example, or by increasing the income tax on the highest bracket of earners up or r 65%.0% we call for making highridge education free because in fact, it pays for itself. for every dollar we put into higher education, in fact, we get back seven dollars in return in improved benefits and in actual increased revenue. we simply cannot afford not to make public for education free. amy: dr. jill stein joining hillaryclinton and donald trump in democracy now! plus special
amy: "everybody wants to rule the world" by tears for fears. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amamy goodman. we returned to our expanding the debate special as we air excerpts from the debate between hillary clinton and donald trump and expand the debate by giving green party presidential candidate jill stein a chance to respond to the same questions posed to the major party candidates.. nbc news anchor lester holt, take it away. >> i want to move to the next segment talking about america's direction and let's talk about race. the sheriff americans is a race relations are bad in this country, the highest it has been
in decades, much of it amplified by shootings of african-americans by police as we've seen recently in charlotte and tulsa. race has been a big issue in this campaign and one of you is going to have to bridge a very wide and bitter gap. so how do you heal the divide? secretary clinton, you get two minutes on this. mrs. clinton: well, you're right. race remains a significant challenge in our country. unfortunately, race still determines too much, often determines where people live, determines what kind of education in their public schools they can get, and, yes, it determines how they're treated in the criminal justice system. we've just seen those two tragic examples in both tulsa and charlotte. and we've got to do several things at the same time. we have to restore trust between communities and the police. we have to work to make sure that our police are using the
best training, the best techniques, that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary. everyone should be respected by the law, and everyone should respect the law. right now that's not the case in a lot of our neighborhoods. so i have, ever since the first day of my campaign, called for criminal justice reform. i've laid out a platform that i think would begin to remedy some of the problems we have in the criminal justice system. but we also have to recognize, in addition to the challenges that we face with policing, there are so many good, brave police officers who equally want reform. so we have to bring communities together in order to begin working on that as a mutual goal. anand we've got to o get guns of the hands of people who should not have them. the gun epidemic is the leading
cause of death of young african- american men, more than the next nine causes put together. so we have to do two things, as i said. we have to restore trust. we have to work with the police. we have to make sure they respect the communities and the communities respect them. and we have to tackle the plague of gun violence, which is a big contributor to a lot of the problems that we're seeing today. >> all right, mr. trump, you have two minutes. how do you heal the divide? mr. trump: well, first of all, secretary clinton n doesn't want to use a couple of words, and that is "law and order." and we need law and order. if we don't have it, we're not going to have a country. and when i look at what's going on in charlotte, a city i love, a city where i have investments, when i look at what's going on throughout various parts of our country, whether it's -- i mean, i can just keep naming them all day long -- we need law and order in our country. i just got today the, as you know, the endorsement of the fraternal order of police, we
just -- just came in. we have endorsements from, i think, almost every police group, very -- i mean, a large percentage of them in the united states. we have a situation where we have our cities, african-americans, hispanics are living in hell because it's so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. in chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since january 1. thousands of shootings. and i'm saying, where is this? is this a war-torn country? what are we doing? and we have to stop the violence. we have to bring back law and order. in a place like chicago, where thousands of people have been killed, thousands over the last number of years, in fact, almost 4000 have been killed since barack obama became president, over -- almost 4000 people in chicago have been killed. we have to bring back law and order.
now, whether or not in a place like chicago you do stop and frisk, which worked d very well, mayor giuliani is here, worked very well in new york. it brought the crime rate way down. but you take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be having it. we have gangs roaming the street. and in many cases, they're illegally here, illegal immigrants. and they have guns. and they shoot people. and we have to be very strong. and we have to be very vigilant. we have to be -- we have to know what we're doing. right now our police, in many cases, are afraid to do anything. we have to protect our inner cities, because african-american communities are being decimated by crime, decimated. >> your two -- your two minutes expired. amy: jill stein. dr. stein: first, just to be clear, immigrants are among the most peaceful and nonviolent population in the united states.
so one should not be misled by donald trump's efforts to do fear mongering and create animosity towards immigrants. where we need to start in addressing this crisis of police violence and the issues of the black lives matter campaign, we need to begin with accountability. we need to ensure that police do not have impunity to wreak havoc and communities of color. and that needs to start with police review boards or so-called citizen review boards where the community actually has the ability to control their police rather than having the police control the communities. and those review boards should firethe power to hire and police chiefs. they should also have the power of subpoena. in addition, communities should have independent investigators
who are available to look into every case of death or serious injury at the hands of police so in --very person who dies due to police action, their family has a right to know what happened. each case should be investigated. addition, we call for a truth and reconciliation commission because we are a society that is divided by fear, that is divided by suspicion, long-standing hatred. in fact, it is known when slavery was ended, is simply transformed into lynchings, which then led to jim crow, which led to redlining and segregation, and in the war on drugs and in this epidemic of police violence. so there is a long-standing and camilla to legacy of racism and
violence that we must come to terms with as a society. so we call for a truth and reconciliation commission in order to truly have a conversation about race so that we can transcend this history of division and violence and racism. amy: thank you. lester holt? >> i want to follow up, stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in new york because it largely singled out black and hispanic young men. mr. trump: you are wrong. it went before a judge who was very against police. it was taken away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. if you look at it throughout the there manyntry, places. >> the argument is it is a form of racial profiling. mr. trump: the argument is we have to take the guns away from these people that are bad people and should not have them.
these are felons. these are bad people that should not be -- when you have 3000 shootings in chicago from w when january 1. you have 4000 people killed in chicago by guns, from the beginning of the presidency of barack obama, his hometown, you have to have stop-and-frisk. you need more police. you need a better community, you know, relation. you don't have good community relations in chicago. it's terrible. i have property there. it's terrible what's going on in but when you look -- and chicago's not the only -- you go to ferguson, you go to so many different places. you need better relationships. i agree with secretary clinton on this. you need better relationships between the communities and the police, because in some cases, it's not good. but you look at dallas, where the relationships were really studied, the relationships were really a beautiful thing, and then five police officers were killed one night very violently.
so there's some bad things going on. some really bad things. >> secretary clinton -- mr. trump: but we need -- lester, we need law and order. and we need law and order in the inner cities because the people that are most affected by what's happening are african-american and hispanic people. and it's very unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to happen. >> secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: well, i've heard -- i've heard donald say this at his rallies, and it's really unfortunate that he paints such a dire negative picture of black communities in our country. mr. trump: ugh. mrs. clinton: you know, the vibrancy of the black church, the black businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that so many families are working to provide for their kids. there's a lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting and lifting up. but we do always have to make sure we keep people safe.
there are the right ways of doing it, and then there are ways that are ineffective. stop-and-frisk was found to be unconstitutional and, in part, because it was ineffective. it did not do what it needed to do. now, i believe in community policing. and, in fact, violent crime is one-half of what it was in 1991. property crime is down 40%. we just don't want to see it creep back up. we've had 25 years of very good cooperation. but there were some problems, some unintended consequences. too many young african-american and latino men ended up in jail for nonviolent offenses. and it's just a fact that if you're a young african-american man and you do the same thing as a young white man, you are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated. so we've got to address the
systemic racism in our criminal justice system. we cannot just say law and order. we have to say -- we have to come forward with a plan that is going to divert people from the criminal justice system, deal with mandatory minimum sentences -- which have put too many people away for too long for doing too little. amy: jill stein. dr. stein: let me comment that hillary clinton knows what she's talking about what you refers to the injustices and the racial biases in our criminal justice system. indeed, it was bill clinton's omnibus crime bill of the 1990's whwhich flurry supported that opened the floodgates to mass preservation into this basalt by police and the criminal interest us on committees of color.
so indeed, that bill that she herself promoted saying how we needed to "bring them to heal" referring to african-american communities and use, that indeed needs to be put behind us. when donald trump talks about law and order, the place where law and order is most needed in our society, the place of grgreatest lawlessness and crime is actually wall street. in fact, all of the cops on the beat were laid off prior to the wall street crash in the years leading up to it. that is, from the department of justice, the fbi investigators, the security and exchange watchdog's had all been laid off. so we call for actually bringing back the cops on the beat will stop wall street does not regulate itself. it needs people on wall street watching wall street so we can in fact catch the crooks before
they crash the economy again. stop and frisk was unconstitutional and was indeed a flagrant case of racial profiling. it is also true that it was not effective. in fact, crime rates were dropping in cities all over the country while they were also dropping in new york. so to attribute that to stop and frisk, which was not causing the reduction around the country, is just wrong thinking. and let me say also, regarding policing, we need to end the broken windows policing, which is confrontational, aggressive policing that results in the kinds of tragedies we saw last with keithticularly, scott, who in fact, was just sitting in his car reading a book. it is disputed he had a gun as the police claimed, but in fact it is legal to have a gun and to carry a gun openly in north
carolina. so this is really a classic study of the violence he -- and here in violence of the broken window policing. police need to be trained and de-escalation techniques. we need to be de-militarizing our police and changing the hiring practices so that policee actually look lilike the communy that they should be a part of. amy: green party candidate dr. jill stein 20 democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton and republican presidential candidate donald trump in democracy now!'s special expanding the debate special. we will continue with it in a we will'll stop -- continue with that in a minute. ♪ [music break]
amy: "soldier of the heart." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we return to our expanding the debate special. we are airing experts of -- excerpts of the debate and expanding a by giving green party presidential candidate jill stein a chance to respond to the same questions posed to the major party candidates.
back to lester holt. >> for five years you perpetuated a false claim of the nation's first black president was not a natural born citizen. you questioned his legitimacy. in the last couple of weeks, you would knowledge of what most of americans have accepted for years, the president was born in the u.s. can you tell us what took you so long? mr. trump: simple to say. sidney blumenthal works for the campaign and very close friend of secretary clinton. and her campaign manager, patti doyle, went to -- during the campaign, her campaign against president obama, fought very hard. and you can go look it up, and you can check it out. and if you look at cnn this past week, patti solis doyle was on wolf blitzer saying that this happened. blumenthal sent mcclatchy, highly respected reporter at mcclatchy, to kenya to find out
about it. they were pressing it very hard. she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. i got him to give the birth certificate. so i'm satisfied with it. and i'll tell you why i'm satisfied with it. mr. holt: that was -- mr. trump: because i want to get on to defeating isis, because i want to get on to creating jobs, because i want to get on to having a strong border, because i want to get on to things that are very important to me and that are very important to the country. >> i will let you respond. it's important. but i just want to get the answer here. the birth certificate was produced in 2011. you've continued to tell the story and question the president's legitimacy in 20121, 2013, 2014, 2015, as recently as january. so the question is, what changed your mind? mr. trump: well, nobody was pressing it, nobody was caring much about it. i figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course. but nobody was caring much about it. but i was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. and i think i did a good job.
secretary clinton also fought it. i mean, you know -- now, everybody in mainstream is going to say, oh, that's not true. look, it's true. sidney blumenthal sent a reporter -- you just have to take a look at cnn, the last week, the interview with your former campaign manager. and she was involved. but just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. >> i'm sorry. i'm just going to follow up -- and i will let you respond to that, because there's a lot there. but we're talking about raciaial healing in this segment. what do you say to americans, people of color who -- mr. trump: well, it was very -- i say nothing. i say nothing, because i was able to get him to produce it. he should have produced it a long time before. i say nothing. but let me just tell you. when you talk about healing, i think that i've developed very, very good relationships over the last little while with the african-american community. i think you can see that. and i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion. and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country, but even for the president, in getting him to
produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: well, just listen to what you heard. [laughter] and clearly, as donald just admitted, he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage, and lester holt was going to be asking us questions, so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that easily. he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an american citizen. there was absolutely no evidence for it, but he persisted, he listed year after year -- he persisted year after year because some of his supporters, people that he was trying to bring into his fold, apparently believed it or wanted to believe it. but remember, donald started his
career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans, and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood that was the policy. he actually was sued twice by the justice department. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. you know, barack obama is a man of great dignity. and i could tell how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this was being touted and used against him. but i like to remember what michelle obama said in her amazing speech at our democratic national convention -- when they go low, we go high. and barack obama went high,
despite donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. amy: dr. jill stein. dr. stein: it is important that hillary clinton point out donald trump's record of flagrant, blatant racism. it is also important, i think, to point out the record of hillary clinton's actions that are e also been hurtful, particularly to the african-american and latino communities. in addition to the omnibus crime bill that open the floodgates to mass incarceration and massively disproportionate locking up of african-americans, particularly young men, in addition to that, secretary clinton, prior to being secretary, of course, aidorted the destruction of to families with dependent children. and the replacement of this a
sickck social safety net with a , , to bury assisistance toto needy families, that locks out a large proportion of the families that needed assistance. drdrawing an additionanal one million plus children and their families into poverty. and that problem persists to this day. secretary clinton also has a track record for suppressing the minimum wage. this was in the african-american country of haiti, where secretary clinton led the charge to push down the minimum wage from an abysmal $.60 an n hour down to a near $.40 an hour in order to prop up the corporate profits of american corporations that were residing in haiti. so she certainly has a track record of her own that needs to be aired. , italk about racial healing
is important to recognize not only do we have to end violent policing -- not one more violent, racist killing -- but we need to look at where the money of our municipal budgets are going. in los angeles, for example, where the police department has record,ularly violent half of the city's budget actually goes into policing. what the black lives matter movement is suggggesting there s that a substantial portion of that money needs to be spent on prevention. an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure in this case. we need programs for youth, quality schools, end the school to prison pipeline and the sense of hopelessness it creates and we need school systems that teach to the whole student for lifetime learning, that incorporate art, music, and recreation, and committed he engagement, not this high-stakes testing which is used as an excuse to shut down public
schools, to abuse teachers, to fire them and to turn our pububc schools into a resource for the private charter industry. amy: back to lester holt. think mention isis and we of isis as over there my but there are american citizens who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on american soil. the latest is the bombings we saw in new york and new jersey the knife attack at a mall in , minnesota, in the last year, deadly attacks in san bernardino and orlando. i'll ask this to both of you. tell us specifically how you would prevent homegrown attacks by american citizens, mr. trump? mr. trump: well, first i have to say one thing, very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. "we will take out isis." well, president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq, because they got out -- what, they shouldn't have been in, but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. and isis was formed.
so she talks about taking them out. she's been doing it a long time. she's been trying to take them out for a long time. but they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops behind, like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. and then you wouldn't have had them. or, as i've been saying for a long time and i think you'll agree, because i said it to you once, had we taken the oil -- and we should have taken the oil -- isis would not have been able to form either, because the oil was their primary source of income. and now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil -- a lot of the oil in libya, which was another one of her disasters. >> secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: wellll, i hope the fact-checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. donald supported the invasion of iraq. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: that is absolutely proved over and over again. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: he actually advocated for the actions we took in libya and urged that
gadhafi be taken out, after actually doing some business with him one time. amy: jill stein. dr. stein: this is another example of why we need to open up these debates because mostly secretaryrguing -- clinton and donald trump are arguing about the record and who said what, when, and we did they take various p positions. we're not discussing the fundamental fact that w we havea catastrophic failed policy of regime change of a foreign policy based on economic and military domination, which is blowing back at as big-time. e ate want to have peac home, we need to achieve peace abroad. in the words of martin luther king, "peace is not something the absence of violence, it is the presence of justice." so let's look at our foreign-policy. what has these regime change wars cost u us?
trillions of dollars since 9/11 that comes out to about $50,000 per american household. tens of thousands of u.s. soldiers have been killed and maimed, over one million peoplpe killed in iraq alone. and what do we have fofor all of this? what we have to show our failed dates, mass refugee migrations -- which are touring apart the middle east and europe, for that matter -- and worse terrorist threats. they're not getting better. they only get worse with each turn of the cycle of violence. so we need a new kind of offensive in the middle east. offensivell a peace in the mididdle east. itit begins with a weapons embargo. since we, the united states, or supplying the weapons directly or indirectly, to all parties come all caps at and's on all sisides, and we are the majorr supplier of weapons to the region as well as around the world,d, it is clear that we hae enormous power here to initiate this weapons embargo and to work
with the russians to achieve it also because they, too, are paying a price that they cannot afford for these failed warars. in addition, we need to put a freeze on the bank accounts of those countries -- largely our allies -- are continuing to find terrorist enterprises. hillary clinton's only e-mails, as secretary of state, identified thesaudis a still the mamajor funder even many yes after 9/11, still the major funder of terrorist sunni j jihd enterprises. we got this started. we can put it to a stop. amy: and that does it for part one of our expanding the debate special. you can go to democracynow.org. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to email@example.com or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013.
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