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after president trump withdraws oh i know i'm 05/22/18 05/22/18 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> sanctions wilill be painful f they do not change the course from the productive path it has chosen to one that rejoins the league of nations. this will indeed in dubbing the strongest sanctions in history when we are complete. amy: nearly two weeks after president trump withdraws the u.s. from the iran nuclear deal, secretary of state mike pompeo demands iran end its nuclear
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program or face the strongest sanctions in history. we'll get response from trita parsi of the national iranian american council, then to britain, where prince harry and meghan markle were married saturday at windsor castle in a ceremony many heralded as ushering a new era. the wedding celebrated black culture and history, with a sermon about slavery, poverty and the enduring power of love by bishop michael curry, the first african american to preside over the episcopal church and a rousing gospel choir performance of the song "stand by me." >> ♪ know i won't be afraid no i won't be afraid stand long as you stand by me ♪ amy: we'll go to the u.k. for response from priya gopal and also speak with gabrielle
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bruney, who writes -- "the royal wedding celebrated the contributions of black britons, but it comes amid a scandal rooted in the british government's mistreatment of caribbean people." and what of those were clung for the monarchy to be abolished? we will have a discussion. then, as presidedent trump demas an investigation into whether the fbi infiltrated his presidential campaign, some democrats are doubling down calls for his impeachment. we will speak with constitutional law attorney john bonifaz. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. secretary of state mike pompeo used his first major policy address to threaten iran with the strongest t sanctions in history. >> the iranian regime should know this is just the beginning. the sting of sanctions will be painful if the regime e does not change its course from the
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unacceptable and a productive path it has chosen to one that rejoins the league of nations. these will indeed in dubbing the strongest sanctions in the history -- amy: secretary of state mike pompeo's speech at the heritage foundation comes after the trump administration withdrew the united states from the iran nuclear deal. pompeo also warned european companies not to expect exceptions from the newly reinstated sanctions. totale said it is canceling plan contracts with iran following the pullout of the nuclear agreement. we'll have more on pompeo's speech aftfter headlines. president trump is meeting with south korean leader moon jae-in today the white house as the upcoming u.s.-north korea summit appears increasingly imperiled. on monday, the trump administration again threatened the u.s. could pursue the so-called libya denuclearization model if north korea does not cooperate. in 2003, libya negotiated
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sanctions relief from the united states in exchange for renouncing its nuclear program and welcoming international inspectors to verify the disarmament. eight years later, gaddafi was dragged through the streets and publicly killed by u.s.-backed rebels after the u.s. and its allies intervened with a massive bombing campmpaign. this is fox news's martha maccallum interviewing vice president mike pence monday. >> there was some talk about the libyan model last week. clear,president made this willl only end like a libya model ended if kim jong-un does not make a deal. >> some people saw that as a threat. >> i think it is marvelous fact. amy: president trump met with fbi director christopher wray, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, and director of national intelligence dan coats, in the oval office on monday. the meeting came only one day
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after president trump demanded, via twitter, that the justice department probe trump's claims that his campaign had been surveilled. trump has been planning for months without evidence the obama administration spied on his campaign. legal experts say his tweet sunday crossed a line by applying overt presidential pressure on the justice department, potentially setting up a clash similar to the one between president nixon and the justice department during the watergate scandal. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has asked the justice department's inspector general to probe the allegatations of surveillance. gina haspel was sworn in as cia director on monday after being confirmed by the senate despite concern about her role in the post-9/11 cia torture program. haspel is a 33-year cia veteran who was responsible for runningg a secret cia black site in thaiailand in 200202, where at t one prisoner was wataterboarded and tortured in other r ways during her tenure.
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haspel also oversaw the destruction of videotapes showing torture at the black site. she was confirmed after a number of democratic senators joined with their republican counterparts to support her. in a major blow to workers' rights, the supreme court ruled 5-4 monday that employers can use arbitration clauses to prohibit workers from banding together to challenge violations of federal labor laws in class-action lawsuits. the decision could affect up to 25 million employment contracts. in her dissent, justice ruth bader ginsburg called the majority's decision egregiously wrong and said it will lead to a "huge under-enforcement of federal and state statutes designed to advance the well being of vulnerable workers." justice neil gorsuch satyr with the supreme court's four conservative justices, giving them the 5-4 majority.
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in financial news, the federal reserve and banking regulators are slated to roll back the volcker rule, a key financial regulation enacted after the 2008 financial crisis. the rule bars banks from using customers' deposits to make their own risky bets. it was one of the key aspect of the dodd-frank wall streetet reform and consumer protection act and was named after former federal reserve chairman paul volcker. watering down the rule would allow wall street's giant banks to again engage in a wide range of risky trading, using customers' own money. meanwhile, on monday, president trump nullified rules aimed at preventing discrimination in auto lending. and today, the house is slated to vote on legislation that would roll back parts of the dodd-frank act for thousands of smaller to mid-sized banks.
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the united states and china have agreed to hold further talks as the world's two largest economies step back from the brink of a global trade war. over the weekend, treasury secretary steven mnuchin said the threatened trade war would be put on hold, backing the u.s. away from opposing tariffs on $50 billion of china's exportss to thehe united states while cha appears to have committed to importing more energrgy and agricultural commodities from the united states. on hawaii's big island, the kilauea volcano is continuing to erupt, spewing plumes of ash and lava. workers are rushing to shut down a nearby geothermal power plant to prevent the uncontrollable release of toxic gases from the site. lava is flowing increasingly close to the puna geothermal venture plant, which provides 25% of the big island's energy. in oakland, california, hundreds of people turned out for a
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massive picnic and protest celebration dubbed "bbq'ing while black" on sunday. the community event at lake merritt was organized after a white woman harassed and calledd the police on two o african american men for grilling in the same locatation a few weeks earlier. the incident sparked massive resistance in oakland, whehere gentrification has displaced many longtime african american residents. in georgia, voters are heading to the polls today for the state's primary elections. in the governor's race, former state house minority leader stacey abrams is facing off against former state representative stacey evans. if abrams wins today's democratic primary and then wednesday november, she will become the nations -- nation's first african american female governor. african american activist lucy mcbath, the mother of jordan davis, is also competing in today's primary race, seeking to
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win the democratic nomination for georgia's sixth congressional district, which represents atlanta's northern suburbs. in 2012, her son was shot and killed when he was 17 years old by a middle-aged white man in a dispute over loud music, sparking nationwide protests. anand lawyer and civivil rights pioneer dovey johnson roundtree has died at the age of 104. throughout her legal career, roundtree shattered gender and racial barriers and successfully challenged jim crow laws and segregation. she was also among the first black women to train as an officer in the women's army auxiliary corps and among the first women to be ordained in the african methodist episcopal church. this is dovey johnson roundtree speaking about her experience working for then-naacp lawyer thurgood marshall in the preparations for brown v. board of education. thurgood marshall would go on to become the first african american supreme court justice. >> we were always looking for lookingern will stop --
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for the pattern. why can't we go now? sometimes the answer was, well, we have to wait for this theory to be exhausted, have to wait for that. so there a lot of things that went into the pattern of getting it to the supreme court. so you get some reading of higher courts in but -- how the courts and between would be reacting to the theory, let's say, of nondiscrimination and education. it didn't just happen. it had to come up along with your a number of states to get it right that when it hit the supreme court, they just had only one question that needed to be answered. courts don't like to deviate. you know. o of -- that is the way the legal system is. amy: that was dovey johnson roundtree. she died on monday at the age of
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104. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. state mike pompeo on monday used his first major policy address to threaten iran with "the strongest sanctions in history." he had 12 basic requirements for a new nuclear treaty with iran, including unqualified access to all nuclear sites and an end to its interventions in yemen. this comes just under two weeks after the trump administration with true the u.s. from the iran nuclear deal. popompeo delivered his speececht the heritage foundatation. we will apply unprecedented financiaial pressure on the iranian regime. the leleaders inin tehran will e no doubt about our s seriousnes. thanks t to our colleagues at te department of treasury, sanctitions are going in full
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effect and new ones arare comin. last degree imposed sasanctionsn the head of iran's central bank and other entitieses that were funneling moneney.. there also providing money to hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. the iranian regime should know this is just the beginning. the sting of f sentience will be painful if the regime does not change its course from the unacceptable and productive path it is chosen to one that rejoins the league of nations. these will indeed end up being the strongest sanctions in history whwhen we are complete. inhe regime has beenn fighting the middle east for years. after sanctions come in force, it will be battling to keep its economy alive. juan: pompeo also warned europeanan companies to not to expect concessions from newly reinstated sanctions. this comes as french president emmanuel macron is visiting russia and is due to hold direct talks thursday with president vladimir putin on iran and
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syria. last are different oil company totale and us it is canceling his plan contracts with iran following the u.s. decision to pull out of the nuclear agreement. amy: on monday, turkish president erdogan criticized the u.s. withdrawal from the nuclear deal with iran. >> if we are to be fair to show a just approach of the countries with nuclear weapons which portrayed a group power stations as threats have no credibility in the international community, as turkey, we do not accept reigniting issues, including the iran nuclear deal, that have already been put to bed. we find the other signatories stating the royalties to the agrereement in the face of the s a administration's decision very positive. amy: for more, we are joined in washington, d.c., by trita parsi, founder and president of the national iranian american council. his most recent book "losing an , enemy: obama, iran, and the triumph of diplomacy." also the author of "a single
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roll of the dice: obama's diplomacy with iran." what about this languauage of me pompeo, the new secretary of state? >> i think he made it quite clear that the administration is not looking to get back to the negotiating table. what they're doing is they're putting together the strategy that is based on maximum pressure, economic warfare, combined with completely unattainable objectives, demands that have a proven track record of not being able to be met. if you combine this type of pressure with these type of unattainable demands, what you are putting in place is a strategy to get yourself into a confrontation. juan: and what about thahat confrontation? do you get a sense that the united states is eager to begin a military confrontation with iran? >> remember, john bolton is a national security advisor.
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he is on record for the last 15 years arguing for war with iran. folks that i have spoke to that have access to the administration has made it clear ever since he got back into the administration, the plan has sped up. look how fast pompeo is moving taking office as secretary of state and moving to get out of the nuclear deal and then putting forward this plan that in reality, has been correctly perceived by many different commentators as something that is aimed at getting the united states into a confrontation with iran. amy: let's turn to vice president mike pence who spoke on fox news monday about a new iranian nuclear deal. callings. pence: we're on our allies across europe to join with us in a negotiation over a new agreement that will take into account permanently banning nuclear weapons that deals with iran's influence in places like yemen and of course syria, deals with ballistic missiles. and ultimately, will put
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limitations and restrictions on iran should they continue their malign activities in support of terrorism and violence across the region. amy: that is the vice president mike pence speaking on fox news, trita parsi. can you talk about what he is saying and also how much of this do you think is linked to happening -- is linked to what is happening with north korea? >> first, take a look at mike he is saying. going for these demands, such as the demands the iranians have to completely give up enrichment. this is something that the bush and administration tried for eight years and got absolutely nowhere. when the iranians made a negotiation for -- the iranians had roughly 160 centrifuged. by the time bush left, there were 8000. that is thehe track record of pushing a completely unattainable objective of zero
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enrichment. the same thing during the obama administration. other time obama finally managed to get to the negotiating table and get an interim deal, the arena's had 22,000 centrifuged. so the idea pushing for zero enrichment has already been proven over and over again that it is unattainable, no one in europe believes in it any longer, and thahat is why they'e committed to this nuclear deal in which instead of f going for zero, th arere making susure t irananians cannot get a nuclear weapon. fofor mike pence and his miministrationon to go back toto demands thth have beenen proveno be unattainable, is correctly perceived by almost everyone as an attempt of getting this i ino a confrontation. juan: what has been their response inside of iran to pompeo's speech and the administration policy given the fact that president or himself has to deal with hardliners within his own government who might welcome a greater confrontation? >> this has been problematic for
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the group on a government. they put almost all of their eggs in the basket of securing a new era deal and then opening up. after having done that and lived up to the agreement, it is reports they are certifying the iranians have lived up to the agreement, this is what they're getting. you can imagine how this has then weakening of the moderate forces inside the arena and government. what i'm afraid of is this is leaving the iranians and a position with either the have to make sure that europeans stay in the agreement so that there is a split in the west so that the pressure the united states is putting on the radiance cannot be that strong and if they fail that, my fear is the iranians are going to conclude looking at north korea that their only chance of being able to be safe from this type of pressure and a set of effort to start a war by the trump administration is for them to action russian toward a nuclear weapon. amy: following pompeo's speech, iranian foreign minister took to twitter. he wrote -- "u.s. diplomacy sham is merely a
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regression to old habits: imprisoned by delusions & failed policies -- dictated by corrupt special interest -- it repeats the same wrong choices and will thus reap the same ill rewards. iran, meanwhile, is working with partners for post-u.s. jcpoa solutions." so who is iran working with now? what does that mean inside in the internal divisions in a ran an outside with places -- well, with europe, for example, and european companies? >> the negotiations are on the way with the europeans. europeans are very eager to make survives even without the united states. that is a herculean task. at the end of the day of the u.s. start sanctioning european companies, it is going to be very difficult for those companies to be able to stay in the iranian market and provide
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the iranians with economic benefits they were promised as part of this deal. i think what pompeo and bolton have made is made the choice for the international community much, much easier and much clear than it was a couple of weeks ago. now it is quite clear either you collaborate with the trump administration and go along with these sanctions and walk away from this nuclear deal and by that you're hastening, speeding up this march toward war, or you resist the trump administration. and by that, you're giving peace a chance. juan: in his laundry list of 12 demands, one of the things iran'smentioned was expanding influence in support of what the u.s. calls terrorist groups around the region. but is net effect iran's influence in the region has grown on us as a direct result of foreign interventions in places like syria, iraq, and yemen even? iraq, -- andwith
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starting with erect, it is the mistake of the mission administration, failing abysmally that open up the way for the iranians to expand their influence in the region. and many of these other interventions that have taken place throughout the region by the west have opened up the door , much morenians opportunistic than strategic, to be able to expand the influence. when we see those demand, i think it is quite clear you see the fingerprints of the saudis and the uae who are eager to get the united states to essentially start a war with iran in order to push back iran and shift the balance of power back to a place preach who thousand three in which it was -- or 2003 in which it was more favorable toward saudi arabia and the uae it is not a demand based on any significant u.s. national interest, it is a demand that is coming from some of the states who know themselves that they don't have the capacity of being able to compete with iran but they have the capacity to convince the united d states to
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fight wars for them. amy: this is interesting. it blends with what is happening now, the investigation in washington with "the new york times" repororting three months before the 2016 election, donald trump, junior held a secret meeting with an israeli man specializing in social media manipulation and with george nader, and emissary representing the princes of saudi arabia and the united arab emirates and also met with another prince, and arab prince. can you talk about what that means? >> what i think it means is there's so much going on in the background that needs to be investigated. this may be much, much bigger than anything the russians have done. because what you see clearly is these small countries in the persian gulf are trying to do everything they can to manipulate the united states in order to get the u.s. to go back towards a strong military position in the region, a position that the obama administration was trying to
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walk away from, the obama industry show believed the u.s.'s footprints in the middle east were too strong in a needed to lessen those and shift its focus toward asia. if you're sitting in saudi arabia, that is a disaster. you want the u.s. to be there is an military hegemony in order to balance and corner all of your adversaries and competitors. from a saudi perspective, from the uae perspective, that make sense. the question of the american people have to ask themselves, does this make sense from an american perspective? use the united states want all of its resources to be able to fight wars and battles for saudi arabia and the uae, or does it want to pursue its own interest. juan: i want to ask you also about the role of israel. nearly, israel was not mentioned in these 12 demands of pompeo's, but most people believe syria will likely be the flashpoint first between iran and israel where the united states good
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have an excuse to get more involved militarily directly. your thoughts on that? >> it is one of the most likely flashpoints right now to start a war. i think the trump administration, knowing very well much of its own base is to particularly eager to start new wars and certainly not in favor of any wars of choice. that for them to those people on board is to present this as a defensive war. you can do that by first instigating a problem in the region in which the iranians then retaliate against these israeli strikes and suddenly, you're rushed into a war that you did not start, essentially. i think what we're seeing between syria and israel is either an effort by the israelis to establish new boundaries between iran and israel am a new rules of engagement, or it is actually an effort to be able to instigate a much larger war that would suck in the united d stat.
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, where do yousi see this going from here? we are speak on the day that president trump is meetingng wih president moon of south korea, the summit with north korea very much imperiled it looks like at this point, with the fiercest opposition being expressed to iran right now and the whole discussion of north korea could come if it doesn't sort of goal along with the plan, could follow the libya model. >> i think if you are in north korea right now, you are seeing what trump has done to the iran deal. whether you're still eager to strike a deal with u.s. or not -- and i think one of the key things in north korea, they just want the recognition, which they've essentially already gotten i having pompeo fly out there. but nevertheless, the cost of the deal is going to significantly increase precisely
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because of what trump has done with the arraigned -- the iran deal. the way this is affecting the iranians is very important. i go back to what i said earlier on. the iranians, unlike the north korean, did not have nuclear weapons. they did not have ballistic missiles that had a capacity of striking the american homeland. the north koreans have all of those things. and trump is eager to strike a deal with the north koreans while he is killing the functioning deal that existed with iran. the conclusion people in tehran may draw from this is their mistake was they only had enrichment and that they did not have a nuclear bomb. if there's one to be a second negotiation and the u.s. is going to try to build up its leverage prior to that negotiation, if we just accept that premise for a second, well, what are the iranians going to think? most likely they will say, well, for the next negotiation, iran will have more leverage in this time it will go for a nuclear weapon because that seems to be the only way you can get the
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trump administration to show you respect and honor the deal with you. amy: trita parsi, thanks for being with us founder and , president of the national iranian american council. when we come back, a discussion of the royal wedding. many were shocked by the celebration of black british and black american culture. others demanding thehe monarchye abolished. we will talk about what is happening in britain today. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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amy: performed by sheku kanneh-mason at saturday's royal wedding. hehe was the first lack british musician to win the bbc's young musician of the year award in its honest forty-year history. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: we now turn to britain, where prince harry and meghan markle were married saturday at windsor castle in a ceremony that many heralded for
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celebrating black culture and history. and the moon is the only light we see no i won't be afraid be afraid just as long as you stand stand by me ♪ jujuan: that is a british christstian gospel group, singig civil rights anthem "stand by me" by b.e. king. meghan markle, a former american actress, is biracial, divorced, and a self-proclaimed feminist.
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she walked herself down the aisle that led many to claim the wedding ushered in a new era for the royal family. amy: bishop michael curry, the first african american to preside over the episcopal church, also delivered a sermon in which he preached about slavery, poverty and the enduring power of love. >> the late dr. martin luther , "we mustsaid discover the power of love. the redemptive power of love. and when we do that, we will make of this old world a new world. way."ve, love is the only there is power in love. don't underestimate it. sentimentalize it. there is power is to power in
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love. if you don't believe me, think about a time when you first fell in love. ththe whole world seemed to cenr around you andr belovoved. amy: t that is bishop michael curry, the first african-american bishop to preside over the episcscopal church in the united states. for more, we're joined in cambridge, england, by priya gopal, a university lecturer in the faculty of english at the university of cambridge. here in new york city, we welcome gabrielle bruney, editor for esquire. her recent article is titled, "the royal wedding celebrated the contributions of black britons, but it comes amid a scandal rooted in the british government's mistreatment of caribbean people." we welcome you both to democracy now! we're going to begin in england where the royal wedding was, priya gopal.
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described as a tradition-busting ceremony. many said the traditions were not busted enough, that the monarchy should be abolished. tweeted the whole thing. can you talk about your feelings about what happened this saturday? what, a order of britain watched. >> tradition-busting is probably a bit of a stretch. i think there were important symbolic changes. the royal family is a deeply white institution, deeply rooted in britain's history of imperialism, hierarchy. given that history to have a strong black presence in the church, to hear a gospel choir, to hear a black bishop give an address -- these are all changes , symbolic andink
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they make some difference. i think it is a stretch to call them tradition-busting. it was still -- it is still an extremely white institution. the ceremony remains patriarchal. ms. markle walked down the aisle by herself because her father was unable to make it, and then she was taken alter by prince charles. i think we need to acknowledge there were certainly important changes, but to call them tradition-busting, i think is a stretch as the monarchy remains a deeply reactionary, pager are broken and frankly, white institution. amy: can you talk -- sorry. juan: why do you think so many britons still cling to this total anachronism of a monarchy and nowadays, why do they feel so invested in the royal family? >> i think there are two things to say. one is that the royal family is deeply entrenched in brits mythology about itself.
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there is a huge investment in pomp and circumstance. the commentary spoke about how no other country does tradition, does pop homage as circumstance as well as britain does and of course the monarchchy is the academy of pomp and circumstance. i think that is deeply rooted in the m mainstream britain since f itself as a more traditional, more elegant than everybody else. but i think it is slightly a mistake to call the monarchy and anachronism. i think that it seems like an anachronism, but in fact, it is -- its name for itself is "the firm." how deeply rooted it is incorporate capitalist culture, how will it has kept up with that. in the monarchy in britain is a celebration of wealth, of
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elitism, a privilege in the hands of the few, of all of the resources concentrated in the hands of a very small percentage of the country. and in that sense, it is very much represents the current economic order in which we all live. there's nothing anachronistic about the 1% have much more than the rest of us do. amy: the wedding itself cost something like 40 finally and -- 45 million dollars. can you talk about the finances of the royal family, how they are supported? >> right. so in british terms, the wedding cost and overall 32 million pounds combat is about the some you just mention and dollars. was spent byf that the royal family's so-called private finances. this is money to have accrued over decades over centuries and
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that has gone into private hands. but actually $30 million of that 30 chilean pounds was born by the taxpayer. and that is a shocking figure at a time when there had been swift cuts to public services, when the number of homeless on britain streets has been increasing. these were homeless people who were cleared off the streets of windsor for the royal wedding. i think this is a shocking example of how much money, how much public money, how much rare public money goes into finding ding thisly -- fun family and it is done on the basis the family brings in a lot of money to the country because of tourist dollars and so on and so forth. but i think really what it is an example of is how much the public works subsidizes private privilege. 30 million pounds when the two policing and into security -- at least that is what we're told.
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it seems unconscionable figure at a time when so many people are suffering from cuts to public services. juan: could you comment on this merger with celebrity with the class a elite? obviously, the promotional value having an opera or george clooney or david beckham at this private wedding has in terms of marketing this whole affair? >> yes, it is very much part of a constant rebranding that the royal family does. it goes back to what i was saying about not merely looking at the institution as an anachronism. it is a corporate firm. it relies on corporate strategies. pr is ray central to its survival and to its flourishing. courte connected to the said at some point that meghan markle is a pr department
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stream. and she absolutely is. like any company, it has to be seen to be keeping up with society. it has to be seen to be be more vocal -- multicultural than it has. sense, we need to kind of merger between the royal family and hollywood, between the feudal institution of monarchy and the corporate institutions of public relations, and precisely what you would expect any functioning corporate firm to do, to be keeping an eye on pr to make sure it satisfies its customer base and that it is seen to be "modern" and in that sense, , the raciale dimension she brings, the multicultural dimension she brings to the royal family is ray much part of a pr exercise. i was a innocents meghan markle brings more to the family and
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the royal family brings to british people of color. ,my: is it true, priya gopal the queen and prince charles have had the power of veto, vetoing legislation? the queen delivering a pro-austerity speech with her one million pound hat, i think one, catalan from --, cassette google woman in one million pound had tells britain to live within its means" referring to her crown. close i think that posted usually the queen does have that power, but it is not ever really exercised and so what we have here is a constitutional figurehead who does what the government of the day tells her to. the mythology around the royal family also says they're not allowed to be political. by which is meant they are not
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actually allowed to intervene in political decisions made by the government of the day. i also understand that the queen does have the power to veto legislation. i have never known of it being used. perhaps it has been, i'm not enough of a constitutional scholar to know. here's a bit of a mythology. with the monarchy, which actually shows up -- shores of the political -- it is a deeply political institution, but the nation and the world is invited to buy into the mythology that there's nothing political about people who wear them as you said, one million pound hats and represent the bidding of the governments of the day. there are very political institution, but everything here relies on the mythology that they are not political. juan: i would like to bring in gabrielle bruney.
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you recently wrote a piece for esquire titled "the royal wedding celebrated the contributions of black britons, but it comes amid a scandal rooted in the british government's mistreatment of caribbean people." what is that scandal? >> the windrush scandal which boylston to the government treating british caribbean's, legal citizens, as they were illegal immigrants. in the uk's the momentnt, treatg someone as if they are an illegal immigrant means treating them harshly. amy: wisely called the windrush generation? >> it is named for the vote they carried the first group of this generation of caribbean people to the u.k., called the emperor windrush. this migration started when? can you give us a little history? inthe empire windrush docked 1948. to give you an idea toto the extent o of whicich these people
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part of the british empire, were the eveningbjects, standard from 1948 with a picture of the ship on it said "welcome home." that was the headline. it was a real sense these people are part of ouour country. the wave o of migrationn contind until about 1971. much needed and wanted and encouraged by the british government. >> they were augmenting the post-world war ii workfoforce. they were actually invited. not only were they already british citizens, they were invited to come toto the motherland. amy: let's go to the british labour m mp david lammy last moh blasting former home secretary amr r rudd in the e hoe of mmons abt the wirush scandal. close the relationship between this country in the western caribbean is inextricable. the verge british ships to arrive -- the first british ships to arrive since 1923. despite slavery, despite
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colonization, 25,000 caribbean's served in the first world war and second world war alongside british troops. when my parents and the generation arrive in this countryy on the nationality act of 1948, they're right here as british citizens. for sonhumane and cruel many of that windrush generation to have suffered d so long g ts condition ever the secretary of state only to have made a statement today on this issue. didid she explaiain how many h e been depororted? she susuggested to iasas high commissionerer's. it is her departmtment that has deported. shshe should knonow the numbmbe. can she tellll the house how may have been detained as prisoners in their own countntry? cacan she tellll the house h hoy have been denieied help underere natitional health service? how many have denied pensions? how many hasas lost theirrobs?
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this is a daday of nationanal se anand it is, about because of a hostile environment that was begun under her prime minister. amy: that is the british labor mp david lammy. deeply impassioned about this issue. some people being jailed or deported who have lived in britain for over half a century? >> yes. there was one publicized case of a man who had cancer. because who is being treated as an undocumented person, he was denied cancer treatment by the state health care. people were actually deported and threatened with deportatatin and live with that looming over their heads. one man said he was preparing to commit suicide if they went through with it and deported him to jamaica. juan: talk about your own family, their experience. >> and the child of caribbean immigrants who grew up under british rule. my mother grew up in dominica singing "god save the queen" every day with the queen on her money and her notebooks.
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my grandparents made the decision to come to america, but others in my family decided to go to the pain i have cousins and relatives there. it is vevery easy for me to imimagine if my grandparent's ad a different decision, my parents could have been affected by the windrush and i could've been affected by the windrush. if your appearance are decided to have been illegal immigrants, now you are in danger. amy: talk about your thoughts and feelings over this weekend and the massive attention paid to the royal wedding. >> it was does it made me very somewhatsee -- it is vague and symbolism, but it is nice enough that black people were being celebrated by this wedding. i think the black american contributions were a lot more visible -- we are an american and the bishop was american and the songs "this little item mind" are american songs, that
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there were contributions by black brace and black brits of caribbean origin. sheku kanneh-mason is half anti-can. amy: the 19-year-old cellist, the first black musician to win the bbc's classical music competition in its history. clubs and his father is from antigo. and then acquire based in southeast london which is a -- it was subtle, but that messaging of you are part of this empire can we are part of this crown, whatever that might mean to individual subjects. amy: you have this scandal in december where one of the royals, princess michael of kent or something, wore a black sambo brbrooch on her suit. >> she wore that to her first meeting with meghan markle. which was so alarming.
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i personally was wondering what meghan markle was getting herself into marrying into this particular institution. the monarchy does tend to be an institution that changes people who join it. it does not i doubt to them. so this wedding -- it does not adapt to them post of this wedding was signaling they are trying to move toward a more diverse image. amy: she was later forced to apologize for that. but on this whole issue of should the monarchy be abolished, let's go to priya gopal. what do you feel? >> well, i think it seems clear that having an institution, which embodies both feudal privilege and accrues so much of private wealth and plays a political role in this country, whether it admits it or not, really has no place in society,
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which should be seeking to be just and fair, equal and democratic. the monarchy is not a democratic institution. it never can be. and so i think that absolutely if britain is to consider is of a democratic country, the monarchy should be abolished. there is absolutely no basis for any singlgle family to a crew so e so muchth -- accru wealth. the british tends to make the case it is anachronistic. i don't think that is the only reason to abolish it, but it certainly is incompatible with any country that seeks to be democratic. let me add one other thing here. meghan markle is unable to join his family on terms which are not available to other people who are marrying foreigners. under the hostile environment that has been created by the conservative government for immigration in this country,
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there are no minimum salary requirements for so many who is a british citizen can marry someone from outside. studentslly know from that people who don't earn the equivalent of a minimum of $25,000 cannot bring their loved ones into this country. so meghan markle is actually able to bypass a lot of the constraints and oppressive structures that other people have to struggle with, and that seems to be fundamentally unequal and undemocratic. and we need to understand the hostile environment that other immigrants face in this country, which is only getting worse with greg that, is not something that she is going to have to deal with, precisely because of undemocratic privilege. amy: gabrielle bruney? >> i'm not sure whether the monarchy should be abolished of it here in the u.s. we don't have one yet we seem to be trying to create one. what is camelot and the committees of not our own actions on monarchy building?
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i think there is potentially some value in having a figurehead, if only so the real government does not then become bush-clinton dynasty situation. amy: meghan markle is a noam chomsky fan. she posted a photo of his book on her instagram page last summer. noam chomsky said "i've heard about the marriage, but did not know about her interest. naturally pleased to hear it. it sounds as though she may, for many reasons am a shakeup the royal family. he is quoted the philosopher who said "realty serves a useful purpose, the pop and sermon helps undermine respect for state auauthority. we want to thank you both for being with us. gabrielle bruney, we will link to your keys in esquire. we want to thank priya gopal of university. when we come back, again, the movement for impeachment grows. stay with us.
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amy: "stand by me" sang by the kingdom choir at the royal wedding. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: top fbi and justice department officials have confirmed they will meet with congressional leaders to review classified information on the handling of special counsel robert mueller's investigation into potential ties between russia and the trump campaign. this comes after president trump demanded an investigation into whether the fbi infiltrated his presidential campaign. amy: the finding of wrongdoing by trump could ultimatately be referred to congress and make impeachment a topic of debate among candidates in the midterm elections, though few democratic leaders have openly supported it. this comes as texas democratic congressmember al green doubled down on his effort to impeach trump a year after he first announced he was drafting articles of impeachment.
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green spoke wednesday on the house floor. >> you know there is bigotry emanating from the presidency, yet you would not want me to stand here and address it. i will address it. this president has exhibited a kind of bigotry that this country ought not tolerate. and when he said that there were he washole countries as addressing his immigration policy, he was putting his bigotry into policy, and that is something that we should all concern ourselves with. the fact the president's popolicies are based upon his bigotry. impeachment is the remedy. amy: from more, we are joined by constitutional attorney jojohn bonifaz. he is co-founder and director of free speech for people. welcome back to democracy now! with all of the latest investigations going on in washington and the investigating of the investigators that president trump is calling for, what congress member green is calling for here, what is the
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state of the imimpeachment movement and why are you calling for it today? >> we have been calling for it -- thank you, amy, for having me. we have been calling for it presente day this assumed the oval office. refusing to divest fully from his business interest, treating the oval office as a profit-making enterprise at the public expense. we now see the list of impeachable offenses growing by the day i'm a really, obstruction of justice, conspiring with a foreign government, giving aid and comfort to what supremacists and you're not his, abuse of the pardon power, misusing law for spent agencies to cast political opponents, undermining freedom of the press. , to pick up on your person and that we don't have a monarchy in the u.s., we don't with this president acts like he is above the law, that he does not need to comply with basic
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constitutional principles and basic democratic prince pulls that no one is above the law, not even the president of the united states. juan: could you talk about indonesia, as an example of the many, many issues that could be raised in impeachment? >> yes. this is an example where this president continues to receive illegal for benefits from foreign governments in violations of the foreign emoluments clause in the domestic emoluments clause when it comes to the use of property, federal and state property in the united states. with respect to indonesia, what we see now is the chinese government providing a $500 million loan, a financial benefit to the trump organization, ultimately, going to donald trump himself, for this indonesian business project . at the same time, within 72 hours, the president tweet he is thinking of going -- essentially
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interfering in a corporate law enforcement action by the justice department agagainst chinese telecommunications company. there may not be quid pro quo, that is three further investigated, but we already know this is a foreign and my of foreigna violation emoluments clalause. amy: i am wondering if you could respond to harvard university professor, law schooll professor laurence tribe who, like you, originally called for t truck to be impeached but now has written a new book and is changnging his views on this. worked closely with profesessor tribe and other matters and he is and esteemed constitutional professor i in ts country between of a friendly disagreement on this. he did come out in may 2017 calling for impeachment proceedings against donald trump whenen he fired james comey and tried to effectively stop the investigation into whether or not the trump campaign colluded with the russian government
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interfered in the toy 16 election. he has now shifted his position. i think his position, somehow we're normalizing impeachment, ought to really be the concern that we're normalizing impeachable offenses. that if we do not act with respect to this president the magnitude of impeachable offenses that grows by the day, then we are setting ourselves up for a very dangerous precedent where we treat the president of the united states as being above the law. and that is a road down toward authoritarianism that we cannot take. amy: we want to thank you, john bonifaz, for being with us, attorney and president of free speech for all. that is today's show. democracy now! is accepting applications for our paid video production fellowships. find out more at democracynow.org. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]
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