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tv   Quadriga - The International Talk Show  LINKTV  March 10, 2019 10:30pm-11:01pm PDT

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hello to very warm welcome indeed to quadriga coming to you from the hearts of berlin in this week to mark international women's day. the focus is on women in power take angle americal germany's chancellor for over thirteen years and for many the most powerful woman in the world. women are also on the advance in many other countries in the u. s. the calling for a different kindnd of politics on the strees and in congress women are also for instance making their presence felt in the tunisian parliament. and y young activists like sweden's gray southside. i'm having a real impact.
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so -- question on quadriga this week is women in power the better of politicians. ants to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by soraya saudi nelson. an american journalist who directs the u. s. national public radio bureau here in berlin. she believes that women all politically more powerful than ever before but still face grea. obstacles. also with us this is on a code below. foreign correspondent for spiegel magazine she argues that women are gaining in influence globally as entrepreneurs. politicians and activists but when people are seeking refuge in war zones women are always among the first victims. and a warm welcome to the current taylor who is among other things an adviser on human rights for a german member of parliament's. current say's that a hundred years after the introduction of women's suffrage in germany. the proportion of women in
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politics is still it's another hundred years. for can anyone noting and i would like to stay with you international women's day why is it's important one is it's still important. it's important in so many ways for once our system you already mentioned my statement we need parity in every parliament -- i would say in the world not only in germany -- that's one thing but to also need to focus on the struggles women face every day -- we have women out of thehem beig out of social security being out of financial security we have -- sexualized violence the mix of domestic violence these are topics which touch women specifically and we don't talk about them enough. despite all that so ray you say that women are more powerful than they have ever been before how does not manifest itself. well well the united states so we've just had a historic compressional election in which almost 24% of the house of
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representatives is now -- basically made up of women are you have -- twenty five women senators and even so it states is in many ways because it's not even the average if you look at the inter parliamentary rancor rankings of of women make up. but having said that there's a lot of discussion about women. who are going to be running in the twenty twenty election i mean there's just a lot more focus on women in power the obstacles again are very great though when you look at? the averages and and where women actually do stand in in the power structure. this is one of the i saw one headline the blog which had a headline which i think is symptomatic for what you're saying here that is said. to we've come a long way but there's still an awfully long way to go what's the good news and what's the bad for you as a as a roving correspondentt. i see that i mean there is definitely a duck bondage for women in a globalized world because they could reach out --
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to opportunities with that which they didn't have before and also a lot of governments which week would consider as conservative or maybe even ultra conservatives let's let's for instance referred. to saudi arabia they understand that they the economy would work so much better if they involve more women and provide them with more. chances so there is definitely. a potential -- and man of that as of that fact and that's that's that's the good thing. turn your nodding. yeah i was nothing because i'm i agree to the to the chances with and hopped into globalization due to the digitalization as well. i believe that a lot of movements which have stopped it from the ground a lot of grassroots movement. use the tools offered them to social media and digitalization such in order to get their voices heard because again if we look at the parliament we see that women still are a minority even though. a lot of parliament and a lot of
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parties and a lot of governments for now also have. a woman standing at the front but if we look at the second the third and even the fourth ring and when we still talk about this isn't decision making and a boat policy making. we are conducting a lot of women so i guess these new tools need to be used. more in a more efficient and more powerful way for women to unite internationally and to move to the dead the to move the the the outrage which i started from the street to move them to what's apartments so that it can be heard. it's interesting i looked at the the the the website from the international women's day and they say we're entering an exciting period of history where the world expects balance. and is all the talk about gender balance how important is. is does not signify that we've moved into a new phase in the debate because of the gender balance doesn't sound like feminism. yeah the word feminism i mean i would call myself a feminist i have no problem with saying that but i i do understand that out
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of people maybe also the younger generation has a problem with that label. and if we talk about gender equality -- it's it's the it's based it fall so for now seeing that the debate has evolved yeah i would totally agree but if we lolook t the facts. if you look at the german bonus talk for example we have a i'm only 30% off the parliamentarians out women in we have even decline from the last legislature. so in this sense we are talking about it even more but the results have been changed. consider psoriasis was to the world bank report says there's only six countries worldwide sweden belgium france denmark. latvia and luxembourg have full equal rights how angry does that make you feel. i'm i'm a journalist i don't have feelings. it is surprising was that report was eye opening because it also talked about only ten countries actually having gender equality. or equal rights on the books
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which i thought it would be more than that i i was surprised to see germany was -- thirty one in in america sixty five i think which is even more. shocking and i think disappointing as a woman but i think if you if you look at what's happening in i mean people are standing up and speaking about it more. that's not that's a change that i've noticed. i mean whether it's the me too movement whether it's a debates about who who's at the top -- certainly are are very up. colorful shall we say president that we have at the moment the united states if it that has really forced the debate are certainly american society you're you're hearing people are thinking a lot more. about the gender equality in and i agreed catching a feminist label to it -- i think has made it more palatable maybe for generations you know across the generations whether it's younger or older and is there a problem that we're focusing too much on something binary men and women and also not focusing on class for example race i i i think there are. there are a lot of more factors in there and this is why even
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like to say are women in power you know the promise here of of what we're talking about our women in power is it better to have women in power better to have manpower. i just think it's it's sort of the finest men and women as opposite switch which were not i mean again that's the sort of feeds into what what has has gone on but having said that i mean obviously people are looking to see women leaders like on the americal. and others has that made germany a better place for example you think these countries i have. and and that is -- how men and women are both looking i think after? whether or not it's a good thing to to push for this gender equality in power. delivery total sesenta -- i i was i was thinking about what you just said about mrs america. i mean there is this old phrase- don't tell show and she is that one of the perfect examples for that. she tried to not provoke anybody and at the same time she has achieved a couple of things which the social democrats always called for and never really achieved. so interestingly it's one of the factors for success is that she
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would not. address things in the confirm a debate it's in the society which is actually. a very difficult thing to say because i mean certainly we are we we all appreciated the the the the the the freedoms we have in a democracy in. one of the core elements is that we discuss things as they are and name them as they are. and so. i buy cheap her success what is definitely to not raise these issues it's she i'm i'm sure she's a she has nothing against homosexuals but she never really made it a point. or she has nothing against -- any kind of minorities or whatever -- but because she was dealing mainly with the angry white man. she also had to please those and you can see the role of angry white men who are not. in power anymore who she worked with because she just silently found a way to push them aside
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yeah. so -- if you if you -- whatever. i mean you should write a book if you want to if you want. to make this a point but don't tell openly in in inn politics i think that that's the that's the thing you learn from that. okay after that fascinating assessment of the role of i'm gonna matter when the last thirteen years in office really really interesting let's talk specifically about women in power. including angle americal the three women we have here is he who holding faced with the challenge of making a fresh start after them male predecessors. a quite simply mess things up. when germany's capital was in bonn angle americal was cold callss girl? she served the powerful chancellor helmut kohl as his environment minister. cole stepped down as cdu party chair following a scandal medical took the reins of power and in two thousand five became german chancellor. she's enjoyed international
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influence ever since. theresa may also stepped into the breach when a man failed. british prime minister david cameron initiated and lost the brexit referendum and resigned. me took over the office in twenty six although may oppose brexit at first she still had the manager countries exit from the u.. after sexual assault allegations ousted then i am f. head dominique strauss kahn christine lagarde stepped into the breach. for the past eight years she has steered the imf with a competent steady hand she's maintained a clear position including vis a vis donald trump. can it be that women only get to positions of power after men have failed. sir i would you like to pick up on that question. it's it's interesting because there's no doubt that -- these women didn't necessarily come at high time in in their various countries up situations
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and there's no doubt. i mean if it was interesting was a harvard business review study that showed that. countries with leaders that were women that were diverse actually did better economically. one could say germany -- it was one of those i mean there has been great economic growth under the tree at the time of medical if you want to say it's because she was a woman leader because of what her policies i meanan that's obviously a matter of debate. for for many people for her opponents and and for her supporters but but yeah it it it it does seem. have to take advantage of the opportunities as they get them the opportunities to become leaders are still very difficult as well from a medical may look odd possible generation of female leaders who. who had to play the game according to men's rules and slowly bend and change those rules for the couldn't re write them in the way the paps and young the younger generation of politicians? might begin to do so now. well. again i mean i'm only in terms of my coverage of magical i would say you know for six years
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for npr i was the bureau chief here and it was clear that she didn't define it that way she just used i mean she didn't say okay we're gonna play. by men's roles are going to do we're going to redefine about women's rights she played by medicals rules i mean that record that was. a that meant very thoughtful consideration and not just immediately jumping out something being very cool and calm because a motion. leaders for emotional or women leaders who express any kind of anger rage or or things that we might see in mail leaders if you get paid a lot more for more for it when you're a woman leader. so -- i can't i i wouldn't. meet yes i guess that means maybe they were playing by the men's roles but i i don't see it quite as that i just see it as a sort of the turn the question we're addressing today's do women do politics. differently to put women to politics better than men. it's a cliche question i'm not sure but it's it's an important one i think for the transitioion phase the webb app said. exactly because we're in that trend this transition phase i
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would still say it's an important question even though it's key say pinpointing women against men and thing up to different groups. am and i wouldn't want to answer the question if women are the better petitions i don't expect women to be the *-*- better petitions what i expect is that women get 50% of the power. that that's the first the first deal the fat. from. maybe because if men are bad politicians we never pinpoint the agenda being the the reason why they are bad petitions why should we do that with women so that's what i would want to say that. isn't a do expect different politics from woman to have higher standards different standards are different. standards i think they have different -- topics in mind i mean they know for instance the difficulty. to to to to have a family and have a career at the same time and at the same time if they they focus on that --
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they won't be very successful because again it's something which is such a major point. that changes society if you want to equalize that -- died she would not be king hop of the hub of your country of maybe 30% of the country -- so i think it's it's a very dedicated and and i think it's a good. good thing that you mentioned that we are in a trance is transition phase -- in this transition phase women cannot really show perfectly of what they really have in mind what they really would like. to to to create in a society differently than a man -- but they have to fulfill the expectations of all these white man -- and do it quite similar as they are free to sensors and at the same time they need to add some saying and push it into erection for tract women as well. so it's really a difficult task if you talk about -- the leaders sweet we see in in europe for instance but i think- would definitely moving into
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another into another sphere because also these hierarchies does do not exist -- as they existed like thirty years before and i think we also moving into a direction that higher keys do not. are not sustainable as much as we have seen them in the last fifty years. if i might add am i wouldn't completely agree because in the past we've seen women voted whether stable voters they voted five four rhonda left parties in the last elections. in germany but it's also in the u. s. we've seen women i'm not satisfied with what the regular potties offer them anymore they want to see they are subject the active topics. and in in the center of the parties so i believe the parties have to really open an openly say what they are actually offering women and you mentioned am social security you mentioned securities for families. these are subjects which have been and hit other parties ask
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the i've d. for example in germany now actually. turning towards women and saying we are your party and also finding a new kind of feminism so i guess the danger here is that the old parties lose the women. by a guy kind of hiding the agenda and not really. i'm turning to watch the women's so i'd really like to make that difference you ma'am sorry i just wonder if this is it if you have any sense of this -- something like a global battle between men and women because we seeing more more sort of strong men as it were in inverse couple to leaders with seeing the the kind of policies the populist policies the you were just talking about. this seems to be ex of a rear guard action by men trying to sort of keep control over women. but the us of a last gasp kind of attempt. well i am not even sure i would even call it a last gasp of it could take much longer than that i certainly see that sort of development i would say more strongly maybe it enough afghanistan and the middle east saudi arabia at the emirates.
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on me on one hand they they claim to be promoting a women's rights on the other hand you have the so for example if you weigh either. the united arab emirates a disk earlier i guess was in january had a celebration or they wanted to give a warrants for gender equality. that they were doing but only had men at this event or or really tried to set to clasper clarke cling to that power on we're seeing examples in afghanistan right now with the taliban deal. that would be a real. issue for women's rights a real blow if in fact. this negotiation this deal comes to being that there's a peace deal in which women were not a part of all the afghan government was. yeah. okay one trend that we've been seeing is for young women and girls to courageously take their of future into their own hands. and do what they can to bring about change let's just take a look at free example so that. leaving aside for the your dreams wiring change makers and
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you can really change your community. educate girls that's malala yousafzai his message. the young pakistani activivist f her in twenty elve she was taeted by the talannd shot on a bus on the way to school but she survived.. ever since t then malala has continued h her tirireless c cpn for girls education. i'm not leaving my until i see it you are an h. c. r. -- i went to the asylum. this dramatic cry for help via twitter from a hotel room in bangkok maedhros mohammed -- goon world famous in the end canada granted her asylum. half fled from her family in saudi arabia she felt threatened and restricted by the stern rules governing women's behavior there. i want y you to pani. i wanted to feel the fear i feel every day. swedish student activists greater tune bag spoke at the
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world economic forum in davos. her sit down strikes protesting in action on climate change -- awake up call for politicians and inspire other students to protest. courageous young women will they change the world. it will change the world these young women and their most likely yes most likely yes and i think there are topics which are not -- focusing on on on on gender driven -- issues i mean climate saying which will let us forget everything else i mean n and everybody will fight for it -- at the same timime and and and d this this this young girl is a very impressive for a personality. at the same time people like -- young young ladies like it my lan a there's one one thing which should be mentioned -- behinds especially in islamic countries behind -- outspoken women there's always a great.
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father or man behind these women because otherwise they would not be allowed to do so i mean this. this -- saudi lady she escaped. she's the only one who did this without any support but great -- has obviously a supportive family in my letter has a supportive family. and said this other lady is this other ladies that is. the she she fled from her famil- to which she is seeking and i ththink yes a young women will find their their voice and will find their way in the will definitelyly -- changege the world yes i would y education has a lot to do with that more than a in muslim countries at least up a supportive family ism is necessary -- for example the the woman that i'm writing about who's got climb the highest mountain in afghanistan first afghan woman did that. she she her parents support her out you you know supporter being part of this american program that allowed her to do this. but but having said that i think
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education is is more important i mean because i read in kandahar there was a young woman who fled her family because our family wanted to kill her because she wouldn't get married because she had gone to school. she tasted school she wanted to be a journalist and she was fleeing from house to house to be able to go to school. but that's what of power in india bravery and just sort of resolve like we see with malala and women like that i mean to me it seems education is is sort of a core component that. turn the we we so we sold. agree to being quite. for sixteen year old iphone quite militants saying it will what the what city specifically sir i want them to feel fear talk about the politicians. do we need to be more militant still because you know. as we said at the beginning of the the quality. i yeah i think we need to be more outspoken i wouldn't call greater militant for saying was angry took though. for me that's just the truth
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because i don't. yeah it's for me it's something we all know that climate change is gonna check change the world as we know it and we all know that we had to react yesterday and tomorrow. she's just bold enough to skip school to them face the criticism of angry white men in this case and and to be bold enough and say as it is so i believe me. maybe if people stop listening to have that's the way to go yeah. what do you expect from men? i'm. that's a lot of quality what like what do you mean. two of power we mean women being in power. yeah i mean we we just we just agreed that there is something like a global global confrontation between men and women what you what. i don't see it that way i see it i mean i i guess for me it's the younger generation i look at my son for example who speaks about women completely differently
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than even my husband who's actually. i would argue a feminist -- you know it's it's it just seems that. it's there's more of a cohesiveness and i don't even think the younger generation astray looks as your girl and i'm a guy i think that's maybe our generation it still says that or you know. our generation still in charge so hopeful. i i think there is a group which we should. have which is which we should have it i own which was this. image a minority of whites. over white elite especially men who are now losing. power and opportunities and everything but they're still extremely powerful. and so. the leverage they have also on women who tried to change the world. is is quite quite big and this is a confrontational situation which we will have to deal with
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in the future. yeah them i mean. for me it's yes one think it's about education but it's also about the wait we talk to our children it's about the way. which which example would be if we get to our children because these structures will not change by themselves i don't believe that we need to give the frame. and actually say it as it is that we live. in is somehow sexist society that we need to change that. okay thank you all three for being here today for us. very interesting discussion women in power the better politicians with but i think the answer to that is nope it different very very different men and women. thanks for joining us he joined the show as much as i did come back next week until about five inches
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bond: common ground committeeee is a grassroots organization and we're focused onn bringing light not heat to public discourse, and d one of the thingss we'v've learned d is that if youou want to b bring lightht tto a conversatition, itit's a goodod idea to listen fifirst. what t is the role ththat our political leadership can play in that issue? aand that's what we're going to be focucusing on today, and i have to say i think w we have a p pretty awawesome panenel to talklk abot that t particulalar topic,c, dodon't you t think? dodon't you t think? [audience applauds]


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