tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC August 19, 2011 10:00am-11:00am PDT
and republican presidential candidate rick santorum. is muammar gadhafi on his way out? as the rebels close in on tripoli today, reports are that the libyan leader may be backing his bags. if ping-pong diplomacy had gone this badly, richard nixon would never have gotten to college. who's this young figure skater she's at the center of a military scandal and a heartbreaking mystery. take a good look. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in new york today. the dow is struggling. choppy trading today as stagnant growth in the u.s., credit crunches in europe continue to weigh markets down. greg, i know it's rock-n-roll every day. yesterday we were down 400 points. what is feeding into all of this anxiety? european stocks were getting hammered today. what are the indicators here
that you're looking at? >> i think it's the two major themes that have been rocking the markets for several weeks now. it's europe and the u.s. economy in. the case of europe you had a flare up of conference about the financial stability of their banking system. there was a report in "the wall street journal" that the federal reserve is scrutinizing the american subsidiaries of some european banks to make sure they're adequately funded. in europe there have been comments and rumors to the effect that some banks are having a bit of trouble to raise all the funds they need to fund their operations. in the united states we had reports that the u.s. economy is slowing down. since when did what happened in philadelphia mean so much for the economy? right now people are very sensitized to the risk that the u.s. is not just going to slowly, but sliding back into recession. they're scrutinizing every data point for that answer. >> the data points you were look up, some bump up in inflation numbers yesterday that could constrain the fed's ability to do more. what else are you looking at?
the first claims on jobless numbers which are trending up? what about new huzing starts that was at a new low yesterday? >> that is true. the fact that the housing market is struggling is nothing new. i've been looking at the high frequency stuff like the weekly claims for unemployment insurance, like the weekly sales from chain stores. the information that we had into the first week of august was relatively positive. it was stronger than generally expected. to be sure not telling us that things were roaring along, but not consistent with the shrinking economy. that's why the numbers out of the philadelphia area on manufacturing yesterday were a cold shower because they are very up to date. i think the thing we worry about is a self-fulfilling prophecy of fear. the self-off in the marks while not perhaps fundamentally justified by the state of the economy freezes people in their tracks. people who don't want to buy that house. businesses don't want to hire. they want to put things off and wait a little bit. it makes it self-fulfilling.
>> this feeds into the psychology. there's a political context to this as well. we have uncertainty. we have no action from washington. this is a lull. we know the president's going to be coming out after labor day with a big speech. is there a sense also that there's nobody in charge? not the white house, not congress, both parties? >> i think that a few weeks ago, definitely. one of the things that was driving the market down was a sense that things were getting worse and nobody in a position of power was able or willing to do anything about it. in the last week you could make it somewhat counterintuitive case that the weakness in the economy and the market is going to blast some sense into the heads of people here in washington. if you recall going back to 2008 it was like a dramatic sell off in the markets that forced congress to, you know, eat their -- swallow the medicine and pass the tarp bill. i don't think there's anybody in congress who feels great about that. everybody in congress they're looking at awful ratings in the polls. people who think they did a
really bad job on the debt ceiling. the polls make it pretty clear that people are worried about jobs number one, jobs number two. this could actually perhaps galvanize congress perhaps through the supercommittee mechanism to find a way do deliver a bit more support in the economy through the next 12 months. cumming that with ten-year deficit control. >> greg ip from "the economist." thank you very much. and state and local governments grappling with the real life fallout from all of these numbers. joining us now governor haley barbour of mississippi. great to see you. thanks so much for joining us. we saw those pictures, those gripping pictures from atlanta, a line snaking around the building in sweltering heat in high heels and their sunday best clothes waiting for a job. i know in mississippi you've got real problems with child poverty, for instance, what are you seeing at home and how is this driving the political conversation? >> well, andrea, i've never seen
a bigger disconnect between wall street and main street. the stock market and the real economy. i hear people talking about, you know, why is the -- why are stocks falling, why is there so much volatility? on main street they wonder why did stocks go up over the last two years. on main street while the recession has for a year and a half or so quit getting worse, it has not gotten appreciably better. and so these huge stock market prices which are being driven by some things that aren't typical to economic growth, companies have all this cash, they've cut their costs so they're very profitable. but on main street credit is very hard to get. small businesses that hire most people are being threatened by president obama with the largest tax increase in american history. which would fall heavily on employers. how do they hire more people when they're being told by the
president i want to tax you with the biggest tax increase in american history? >> you've got that message, the republican message out there about the president's program. let's drill down on the republican contestants. >> andrea, it's more than the republican message. it's the reality in the heartland. it's the reality on main street. >> well, if the president is vulnerable on the economy, he's the incumbent, if all incumbents are, republicans and democrats in congress as well according to all of the polling. do you have any regrets about not running yourself? >> no. i made the decision based on personal factors. i've been around a long time as you know, andrea. somebody who's running for president has to be prepared to make a commitment that is to the exclusion of all else. in this case ten years. two years to run if you get elected you have to be prepared to serve two terms. i just didn't have that fire
many the belly to say that i'm willing to commit everything i do for the next ten years to the exclusion of all else. >> rick perry certainly has -- fire in the belly. there are reports today that you've been advising him. are you advising rick perry on his campaign? >> no, i'm not advising any candidate. i haven't endorsed any candidate for the nomination. i didn't in 2008. don't intend to this time. i served with rick perry for seven and a half years. i have a high opinion of him. he's got a great record. but there are others who i've served with as well or got to know. rick santorum on in a minute. rick was elected to u.s. senate when i was chairman of the party. i have a high admiration for him. very capable guy. but i don't intend to take sides in the nomination contest, but i do intend to be very active next year. >> do you think that rick perry has to clean up his language? karl rove said what he said about ben bernanke is not
presidential. others and also bob mcdonald who succeeded rick perry as head of the republican governors association was on with me this week and he doesn't agree that president obama may not love his country. he thinks that president obama is a patriot. what about rick perry refusing to say that he believes president obama loves the country? >> i think rick perry has to get prepared for the fact that he's going to be nitpicked by the liberal media league for everything that he says and he has to be very careful because anything that he says that can be taken out of context will be taken out of context. when you are a conservative, christian southerner, republican, you have to expect that. >> governor, with all due respect, it isn't the liberal media that's taken on rick perry. we're talking about karl rove, we're talking about bob mcdonald, we're talking about a
lot of mainstream and conservative republicans, who say that what he said about the fed and ben bernanke and the president's patriotism was not appropriate, was not presidential. >> but as a candidate for president, my point is that rick perry is a candidate for president or haley barbour if i had run or mike huckabee if he had run, every one of us has to be prepared to be nitpicked by the mainstream media and so you've got to run your campaign learning to avoid that. >> does rick perry have to change his language if he wants to become a viable republican? >> i don't take it as offensive to say that we would not treat you nice. we treat you nice. we like you and we're proud to have you down here.
that isn't exactly threatening language to most people. but, he has to understand in a position he's in as i talked about a minute ago, that's going to be nitpicked. it could be a good lesson. i thought president obama made a very good point when he was asked about this. he says when you start off running for president you have lessons to learn. this is a lesson that has to be learned that you're going to be nitpicked. >> what about saying that printing money is nearly treasonous? >> well, he is right about the policy. i wouldn't consider it treasonous. treason is a harsh word. it's actually the only crime that's described in the united states constitution or defined. but, printing more money is hurting this economy. >> i'm not debating the policy -- i'm just talking about language. talking about a capital crime, treason in the context of debating monetary policy. >> he is right on the policy.
i would not have used that terminology. and i don't think it's the right terminology. but he is right about the policy. >> what about the whole question of succession when he said he actually proposed in his last campaign talking about succeeding from the nation. he joked about it today. do you think that that is an issue that might follow him around and is that appropriate for someone who's running to be president to have united states? >> if somebody thought he was saying that seriously a couple years ago, that would be one thing. but everybody knew then he was joking about it. my comment when i was asked about it, we tried that once. didn't work. we're not going to try that again. rick perry no more meant that. he's going to get nitpicked because he's the governor of texas. because the liberal media elite dislike george bush so much and
he reminds them of him. as i say, conservative, christian, republican, southerner he needs to understand he doesn't have the liberty to say things loosely that somebody else might. >> governor, my sources tell me that leading republicans including mitch daniel, jeb bush and others are concerned. they don't -- they're not in love with mitt romney. they think rick perry may not be ready for prime time. they're not in love with michele bachmann. they're still talk about paul ryan. do you think paul ryan or anybody else will be in the field or is this the field? do you share any of those concerns that i've been told are real among other republicans? >> i haven't heard that from any of them. i hear it from the news media all the time. however, i don't think that the field is necessarily filled out. rick perry just got in about a week ago and has made quite a splash which would indicate that there's room for others. >> who might get? >> sarah palin certainly can
wait later than anybody else. chris christie can probably wait later than most. i would think for congressman ryan it's harder just because of the enormous job he has in congress. and that there's so many people that are depending on him as the biggest legislative issue in congress is the budget spending deficit, debt and he's the chairman of the committee. do you think somebody else could get in? yes. do i know of anybody? no. >> do you think it's likely? >> i don't know of anybody. so because people do talk to me a lot about different things, i think i might have heard of it. but i don't think it's impossible. and as rick showed, you can get in late. this field reminds me of democratic presidential campaigns that i've watched in the past where there wasn't a real front runner and somebody who a year and a half before the election didn't seem to have a chance came out and won a nomination and in the case of
bill clunt or jimmy carter got elected president. that could happen on our side even though we don't normally have a contest that looks like this. this time our contest looks more like some democratic contests in the past. >> indeed it does. great to see you. thank you very much. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, andrea. and still ahead, republican presidential candidate rick santorum he is in the race. and next, what happens if gadhafi actually goes? this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
making plans to flee the country, possibly for due she sha. it is not clear if he will actually go. rebels surround the capital and the u.n. is preparing to evacuate foreigners trapped inside. in syria the president's forces are firing at thousands of protesters who poured into the streets. perhaps they were encouraged by the u.s. decision yesterday to finally call for assad to go. today european leaders are meeting to see if they'll follow president obama's lead. joining me now jane harmon. thanks so much for joining us. let's talk about syria. some republicans are criticizing the president for not working more quickly. there's very little sanctions that we can really do unilaterally. europe has yet to follow. >> europe is thinking about a
fifth round of sanctions, which is the oil embargo with russia opposed to our position on syria, i somehow doubt europe's going to do the fifth round. we unilaterally imposed the oil embargo. i was there when hillary clinton said what we've been doing is getting others to be out in front reich turkey and saudi arabia and others. i'm very pleased that we are finally calling for the ouster of assad in sere yachl about 2,000 syrians have been gunned down by his government since this began. it's a tribal society. i'm worried about what comes next. i think we're getting to the end of this horrible struggle and the beginning of possibly another horrible struggle in syria. >> i interviewed bruce
yesterday. one of the things as you well know a former white house and cia officer. one of the things he said is well known and you used to head the intelligence committee is that syria has an arsenal. for 25 years we've known that syria has an arsenal of chemical weapons and missiles that can reach pretty far. can get to israel. >> i don't think there is a military option. syria is providing and has more years save haven to hamas. this is destabilizing to hamas, which i think is a good thing. syria has been the back door from iran into lebanon. the chemical weapons have been used against the syrians themselves. assad's father gassed 10,000 people in '80s. compared to now that was worse. but that could still happen. again these weapons could
transition into lebanon and possibly be used against israel or possibly go by ship elsewhere. yes, it's extremely worrisome and syria to me has always been a much more important focus for us than libya. now as you describe, andrea, libya is i think at the tipping point. >> one of your scholars said yesterday that in fact he's concerned about what's happening in syria that there aren't enough signs that there's a crack in the military regime. do you see signs? what are you seeing when you're there is that the regime itself? >> i haven't been there roontly. i was there five years ago or so. i don't know about the military. but i do know that the turks and the saudis are now very seriously focused on syria, urging regime change and they're influence in the region is huge. it's a tribal society. we have to understand that.
the party of the assad's are only about 11% of the population. regardless of how cohesive the military may be right this minute, i think that things are changing very rapidly there. i'm even more concerned, though, about libya where you described the city of tripoli as surrounded. you said andrea a few minutes ago, you weren't sure what gadhafi would do. i think given his behavior over recent years and i've met him. you probably have too, i think it's hard to imagine that he would peacefully into goo exile and may be seeking safe haven for his family. i think we haven't seen the violent end of this yet. i'm worried that there are major arms still somewhere garrisoned in the south och the country. that's what i hear. the scud attack that was his attack the other day shouldn't -- i would guess is not a one off. we may see more of that. we may see him, you know, trying
to do his maximum to go down in a blaze of glory which could be enormously harmful to his own citizens let alone the rebel fighters who are surrounding tripoli. >> jane harman president and ceo of the wilson center. thanks so much, jane. >> thank you, andrea. and too much texas trash talk? what is it about rick perry that's scaring some republicans? the politico briefing next on "andrea mitchell reports." yes, it's new beneful healthy fiesta. made with wholesome grains, real chicken, even accents of tomato and avocado. yeah! come on! [ barking ] gotta love the protein for muscles-- whoo-hoo! and omega-rich nutrition for that shiny coat. ever think healthy could taste so good? [ woman announcing ] new beneful healthy fiesta. another healthful, flavorful beneful.
could loose lips scare off voters? some republicans have worried that rick perry's shoot from the mouth style cold doom republican chans if he gets the nomination. lest talk about the perry campaign, the things he has said about su seeccession in the pas. what he said about the president not sure if president loves this country. who's concerned about this? >> it's suburban members, andrea, especially those that
could be facing a tough election next year. keep in mind, there are a lot of conservatives in the house and a lot of members in congress from places from suburban chicago, even suburban austin and new york. this sort of texas cowboy talk frontier justice for ben bernanke doesn't go down well culturally in parts of the country. they think the cultural stuff needs to be toned down. >> we were just interviewing haley barbour. governor barbour does not agree with that assessment, although he does say that being new to the campaign, that rick perry has to get used to the nitpicking, his term, of course,
that he's going to get on the campaign trail. >> tom cole who's from oklahoma who's been in politics for decades and is a very shrewd observer says perry's been playing at a high level in texas. he's now in the big leagues. this has been going from columbus to yankee stadium. there's nothing that can raep prep you for this. to governor barbour's point, i think governor perry is going to be strong in the south, he's got to make an adjustment in plays like new hampshire that are pivotal. >> are we missing something here? why are we so foused on perry, michele bachmann, whether sarah palin will get in. haley barbour said this looks like a democratic race. there is a front runner, presumably it's mitt romney. seems like a lot of people many the party haven't fallen in love
yet. >> i think the fact that we're coming up on labor day and we have party activists and leaders pining for somebody else to run, says a lot about romney's status. there are folks that night other options. >> thank you very much. have a great weekend. >> don't miss the msnbc politico republican debate at the regan library three weeks from now wednesday, september 7th, at 8:00 eastern with nbc's brian williams moderating only right here on msnbc. we will be there with the show. up next, republican candidate for president rick santorum he'll be there, too. do you know this girl? we'll tell you why there is a massive effort tonight her. that's next on "andrea mitchell reports." my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose.
freed from prison after nearly 20 years. an arkansas judge ruled today he accepted a deal in which the men would change their plea from guilty to not guilty an odd ma thooufr that will result in their freedom. bank of america is slashing 3500 jobs and working on plans to cut thousands more. bank of america is making this move after its share price fell by 50% this year. this is the image that is galvanizing people today. the mysterious figure skater. the young girl, the grainy image was found on a snapshot buried in an urn in one of the scandalous mass graves in arlington cemetery. as military investigators try to identify and properly bury the remains. the unknown girl's photo is the only clue. it was at an arena outside philadelphia that was attended by thousands of young girls. the young girl would now be about 20. if he is you or you know who she is, please contact us. what a difference a week
makes. rick perry's roll out has changed the republican race for president. week after ames, where's the field now stand? joining us former pennsylvania senator now presidential candidate rick santorum. great to see you, senator. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> the state of the race right now, do you share the discomfort of peter king and some other northeast republicans who are not happy about some of his language, about him saying he didn't know if president obama really loves the country, refusing to say that. saying that printing more money, if you agree or disagree with the policy would be near treasonous by the fed chairman. what do you think of that language on the campaign? >> i think that we've seen the criminalization of politics on john conyers part and on the impeachment issue. we don't need to go down that road on the republican side. we can have policy differences 20-second time-out saying that it's a criminal activity. and i do have policy differences
obviously with this administration. and i even have some policy differences with ben bernanke. the big problem with the fed is the dual charter. the fed's job should be solely to have a stable currency. not using monetary policy to pump up the economy. that's really the role for policymakers and for the private sector and we should keep the money supply and keep monetary policy focused on stable and secure sound money. do you agree that rick perry's language was not presidential? >> comparing rick perry to john conyers is not presidential comparison. you're talking about a crime that's pun shall believe by death. that's just over the top. i'm sure he'll learn from that experience. this is the big time right now.
i've been involved in washington, d.c. and dealing with these types of issues for a long time. you know, i've got a lot of scars on me for things that i've said in the past when i was starting out in this. it's just part of that process. hopefully he'll learn from it and we can keep focused on policy. there's a lot to talk about with respect to the railroad of this administration and the horrible economic condition this country's in as a result of it. >> does it frustrate you that rick perry and michele bachmann are getting so much attention when i would presume that you were better qualified to be president? >> i wouldn't be running if i didn't think i was the best guy for the job. i can't control that. all i can control is the work ethic that i have. the policies that i articulate. talk about the record of accomplishment that i've done in washington, d.c. and go out on the road and communicate that. we did that in iowa. and we surprised a lot of
people. i was outspent by the three folks who finished ahead of me individually 10-1, at least 10-1 by each one of those campaigns. we came within a few hundred votes of the top three. i feel very, very good that the message and messenger are resonating in front of people who actually hear it. one of the most common things i heard at the straw poll was at the debate it's really the first time we saw you and we haven't really heard much about you from the national media. you're not going to see me much on tv. you're going to see me in your hometown and that's what we're going to keep doing. >> what do you think of jon huntsman's tweet to be clear, i believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. call me crazy. so, another shot at what rick perry's been saying. >> i'll be the first one to take him up on his offer. look, i've been very, very clear that the science just simply doesn't back up the issue of
global warming. the just a pure. >> do you have enough money to keep ongoing. you finished right behind pawlenty. >> the nice thing is you're riding middle seats on u.s. airway flights and you're driving your cars. i said if i was running a jet engine, no, but i'm running a motor scooter. we've got enough fuel. obviously we love some more fuel
if folks want to help things. and send us a contribution. we're going to be fine. we're working hard and keeping this as a low burn rate campaign. every dollar that comes in. and we're going to do very well in the end. >> rick santorum. see you in california at the next debate. thank you very much. >> thanks. joining us now for more on the 2012 presidential race. "the washington post" opinion writer jew yeen robinson. -- eugene robinson. we've had a rock-n-roll day here. halo barbour accusing the liberal media of taking rick perry to task. i know the governor, we all know that a lot of republicans have been voicing concerns about rick perry and if he's ready for prime time.
>> if he continues to put it on the media, men it was republicans karl rove and other republicans who were complaining about perry's language as being not presidential. it wasn't presidential. let's face it. if he keeps shooting off from the lip that way. he's going to squander some of this early buzz from the nomination. >> what do you think about the state of the race right now? is this it? is this the field? do you think there's time for someone else to get in? >> there's probably time for someone else. i wonder who that would be. i take chris christie at his word that he's not running. sarah palin continues to suggest. i think it's difficult to credit
that. this is probably the field. if you were going to bet on a potential nominee, you wouldn't really put down a lot of money on any horse right now. i think you might want to look at history and see that the republican party tends to nominate the next person in line and the next person in line would be mitt romney. >> and jon huntsman we ju mentioned the tweet where he's trying -- it might be particularly useful in new hampshire to differentuate himself from bachmann and perry. to be clear i believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. call me crazy. that is certainly a popular position up there. >> that will probably strike something of a chord in new hampshire. perhaps not much in yooi yoi or south carolina. it's -- huntsman's problem, i think is in a race where romney has been running for years. so he's established and he's got
all this money and this start of organization, you've got michele bachmann and rick perry two larker than life personalities who will say outrageous things that get a lot of news coverage. how does he get noticed? how does he really get on the radar, huntsman in this sort of quiet way of his. and i think that's the real challenge for him. >> thank you so much eugene robinson. thanks very much my friend. >> great to be here. >> thanks for being with us. up next, is one of the country's most successful college football programs headed to the locker room? but first, vice president joe biden is working in china today trying to re-assure china that it's investments in the u.s. are safe. close relations were not in display in this game between the
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i'm i'm tamron hall. following breaking news where three men known at the memphis three have just been released from jail. a judge ruled after nearly 20 years behind bar for the the brutal murders of three boy scouts the men could in fact go home. this case has made international headlines. a short time ago all three men appeared at a news conference. we'll have their words. plus, why were they released after all after these years. there were a number of celebrities in court. why are they supporting these three? a big change to the immigration policy. the obama administration will give some illegal immigrants facing deportation a chance to stay in this country while putting convicted criminals out. the miami hurricanes have always been controversial.
now their future's on the line as the ncaa considers the so-called death penalty following new reports from a former team booster of improper benefits to players. for almost a decades, including cash, cars even prostitutes. we have a contributor to the cable sports network snw and wfan. mark, sort this out. the hurricanes have always been bruisers and there's always been issues about them, but this is really bad. this is a guy that was in jail for years. hurricane booster. but now he's talking. if anything close to what he says is true, the hurricanes could be kicked out? >> it was a great job by yahoo sports. they broke the usc story with reggie bush and nevin shapiro who's in federal prison for the next 20 years because he ran a $930 million ponzi scheme. 72 players -- >> some really famous ones. >> devon hester a member of the
chicago bears. it's pretty in depth. the article. he's got pictures and everything like that. miami's really up against it right now. >> we've got the head of the ncaa. he met with the college presidents. they said they were going to come one a new rule book. it seems to be a spreading scandal. we have what happened in ohio state which has really upset a lot of people. last year alone auburn and michigan. >> butch davis out of the job with the tar heels. tressel everything that happened with terrell pryor and now pryor's in the news being in the nfl supplemental draft. the ncaa wants to run a clean program. if they are to do that, then they have to be pretty harsh here with miami. with the reggie bush scandal and usc they took 30 scholarships away. pete carol now coach of the seattle seahawks. golden takes over in miami.
they've got to be pretty stern here. miami's been on the collegiate football scene especially in south florida. when they issue a come down with a decision here, it's got to be pretty stern. >> we can rethink the whole deal. should these players those with special needs, with families who are hurting should we consider outfront payments? >> i don't think so. then you've got to pay everybody. then you have to look at every division one athlete in your respective school and you've got to pay them all. then you're going to be paying some guys more player and then you get into a real shady aspect of it. the fact that the ncaa football, bb, it ne basketball, it needs to be cleaned up and recruiting process, and it is going to be difficult. just like they sent a message to smu in the late '80s it has to be a clear and decisive one for the university of miami. >> i know you are all over this story, so great to see you. and who had the worst week
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you walked out of the interview actually at the moment he asked you about gay marriage. >> well, if you are sitting in an interview and berating you with the questions of your personal sex life, as i said to another -- well, let me tell you as i said to another -- i'm sorry, i'm hearing and i'm having problems with the audio. i thought you were talking. sorry? this is very bad. >> sorry. >> so, who had the worst week in washington? the washington post managing editor and columnist chris cillizza, and it was certainly not you, but it was, whatever her name is? >> i have dodged myself of being the worst week though it is coming eventually. >> it is not afforded to me neither. >> when that clip you have shown
is your second worst television appearance of the week, you know it is not a good week. christine o'donnell, the 2010 senate candidate and fyi 2006 and 2008 candidate as well is touting the new book that is about the race in 2010 that she lost badly fyi. and she had an interview with piers morgan where she tried to shut it down and shutdown with savannah and also hung up on a talk radio show host. and maybe this will bump up the book, but i am not sure it has that power, but it goes to show this is never a serious candidate for political office and won in a small turnout in delaware and cost her party of winning what was a winnable open seat in 2010.
>> one wonders why anyone would want to read a book from christine o'donnell, but that is another subject. >> the mind recoils. >> thank you, chris cillizza. have a good weekend and that is going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." and follow us online and on twitter. my colleague tamron hall has a look at "newsnation." hi, tamron. >> great to see you here from new york. and breaking news is the men known as the memphis three have been granted their freedom after serving two decades in prison for the murders of three 8-year-old boy scout. with we are getting the reaction to the latest release and why after all of these years the judge let mem go free, and plus, the end of the line for moammar khadafy, and we will get the latest on the situation on the ground in libya after we learn that libyan's dictator could be days away from going into exile. we will talk to richard engle who is in libya. "newsnation" is minutes away. yes, it's new beneful healthy fiesta.
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i'm tamron hall and the "newsnation" is following breaking news following three men known as the "memphis three." they were convicted of murdering three boys, but a judge has accepted a plea deal for all three paving the way for a plea deal to set them free. they were convicted of murdering three 8-year-old boy scouts and mutilating their bodies and dumping them in a ditch. their attorneys spoke a few moments ago. >> it is overwhelmed and you have to take into consideration that i spent the last decade into solitary confinement so i am not used to being around anyone much less this many people. it is kind of overwhelming. >> even when you are in prison, it goes on everyday that you have to worry about your own safety. i mean, it don't matter what the crime is, you have to worry about your safety regardless. >> and in the beginning, we told nothing but the truth that we were innocent,