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take whatever wage they can get. the republicans are now out to require american citizens to require i.d. cards if they want to vote. you can get who these people are, and why they don't want the voting. others who might tend to vote democratic. they want to make it easier to employers to get cheap labor illegitimately, harder for democrats to get of course from people who show up to vote legitimately. what a wonderful display of partisan self-interest, and public cynicism. and that's "hardball" for now. again, thanks for being with us. "politics nation with al sharpton" starts right now. hey, republicans, president obama's bringing out the big guns. >> this announcement is a huge deal. >> the first lady joins her husband on his jobs bus tour. >> the last thing you should have to do is fight for a job when you come home -- not here, not in the united states of america. >> pushing today for veterans
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and teachers. >> he's completely out of touch. >> but wait. republicans have a plan, too. >> the president is out there doing his best howard dean impersonation. >> how is that going to get anybody a job, mitch mcconnell? tonight ohio senator sherrod brown on the jobs fight. when republicans attack -- >> that just doesn't. >> i'll tell you. >> i'm speaking. it's time for you to tell the truth. >> i'm speaking. lions, tigers and perry, oh, my. bob shrum and richard wolffe on the snarling gop. the tea party congressman who can't stop laughing at his constituents. >> you're a congressman, don't laugh at us. >> keep laughing, congressman. we'll see who gets the last laugh at year reelection time. plus russell simmons on occupy wall street and the coming election. >> we want the politicians to work for the people. >> "politics nation" starts right now.
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welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, america has a choice. it's a choice between a party that wants to get this country back to work and the one that doesn't. today the president and the first lady announced a series of initiatives aimed at getting jobs for the nation's veterans. >> everyone can do something. everyone can do something to honor and support the brave men and women who have served us all so well. >> getting jobs for our nation's veterans is something both sides have backed in the past, and the president isn't going to let the republicans forget that. >> when i first proposed this idea in a join session of
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congress, people stood up and applauded on both sides of the aisle so when it comes for a vote in the senate, i expect to get vote from both sides of the aisle. don't just applaud about it. vote for it. vote for it. >> republicans, don't just applaud job creation, vote for it next week. the senate gop will be able to vote for $35 billion toward jobs for teachers and first responders. next week it will create and make and protect the nearly 400,000 education jobs. and we will ask the question of, will republican senators who are up for reelection next year have the nerve to vote that down.
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that will be our question. senators like scott brown, olympia snowe, dean heller, you have a choice. are you really going to say no for 400,000 jobs? senators, you better thing long and hard, because next year, americans have a choice, too. your choice is next week. ours is next year. it's between a side that sell yes to job creation or no. >> let's focus on what will actually put people back to work. keeping first responders on the job, that's a jobs plan. putting more teachers in the classroom, that's a jobs plan. >> we're going to let them vote on each of these ideas separately. and we'll see if they fight just as hard for your jobs as they fight for their own jobs. and another side that thinks even having this conversation is prepostero preposterous. >> it's complete le preposterous, at a time when 14
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million americans are looking for a job in this country for the president to be riding around on a bus saying we should raise taxes. the president is out there doing his best howard dean impersonation. he's completely out of touch. >> only in a party where corporations are people and where the wealthiest are continuously defended today this make sense. senator, the president's not preposterous. you are. joining me now is senator sherrod brown, democrat from ohio. he's also a member on the committee for veterans affairs. >> good to be with you, al. thank you. >> what will it take to get the first portion of the president's jobs bill passed? >> it's going to take a lot of pressure from the public. it will take your show and
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others putting pressure on republicans. this is such a clear case. it's do we put police, fire and teachers back to work, and pay for it with the one half of 1% tax on people all right making a million a year, but above that, and it's going to take a lot of pressure. i encourage people to go to my website, sche, sign my letter, putting people back to work, pay for it in a fairway, people making $20,000 a week, those are the only people that will pay higher taxes, and it makes sense. it will put people to work doing public health in public education. what's more important than that? >> senator, you're on the committee of veterans affairs. we're talking about in this first part of the bill, since we're now going piece by piece veterans, how does the republicans i mean, politically, how do they think they can get
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away with opposing jobs for veterans? >> i don't get it. you know, this jobs bill has everything from infrastructure and republicans have supported infrastructure projects as long as the nation has been around, highways, bridges, broadband, community colleges, all that, school renovation, rebuilding public schools, you know, we tell our kids the most important thing in the world is education, we send them to a crumbling schooled, putting teachers, firefighters, i don't know how they argue against this. they really don't. they simply vote know. that's why going on my website, signs this petition will begin as this show does, to put pressure on them to finally do the right thing and put people back to work. that's all we hear people talk about. that's what people are talking about, put people back to work in this country. >> that's all that we're hearing everywhere we go.
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huge jobs march we had saturday, i was in your state with you the week before, and the support is broad-based. when i look at the polls, look at this poll where the president has gone up nine points in a poll in terms of who they trust to create jobs. since september, the president has gone up nine points, the republicans down six points. when you look at the fact that 54% of this country wants infrastructure spending, 56% agree with taxing millionaires, 58% payroll tax cuts, 63% want money for teachers and first responders. these are republican figures, not just the general public, yet if you watch the republican debate last night, they're like in a parallel planet. they're talking everything but this. what's happening in the senate, senator brown. are the senators understand that even their party is out of step with their rhetoric? >> well, they're not saying. i can't believe -- you know,
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these presidential candidates do live in an alternative university, and playing to the narrow far right base, they think that's how you win a republican primary, maybe that is how you win a republican primary, about but when i see republican senators privately, they don't want to admit it, but they are more and more understanding, when they go home, if they're not going to the country clubs, if they're going almost anywhere else, they're hearing people talk about hiring teachers, putting police officers back to work, about fixing that bridge, building that sewer and water system, giving a break to small business, about the payroll tax cut, all those things that tried and true, they have been republican ideas, too. they've become partisan, because mitch mcconnell said his number one goal is to defeat president obama. that's the only reasons these ideas have been blocked. republican senators understand that. >> i tell you, if they talk to the workers at the country club, they would hear it there, too.
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>> got it. thanks. >> thanks for coming on tonight. >> glad to, always. >> keep on fighting. >> appreciate it. ahead, when republicans attack, a "politics nation" fact check is coming up. plus extreme views have extreme consequences. the founder of a latino republican group is leaving the party, and she's here to tell us why. and businessman and activist russell simmons is standing with the occupy wall street protesters. he'll join me tonight. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspired by you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where you want to be.
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today the gop presidential candidates are licking their wounds after the most bruising and combative debate so far. republicans slamming republicans, i loved it. just take a look at what happens when republicans attack. >> shies getting into a threat position. >> it was in your book, it should be for everybody. >> why don't you let me speak. >> whoa! >> remember what -- >> i'm sorry. number two -- [ screeching ] >> you failed as the governor of massachusetts.
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>> i'm speaking, i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- >> you say that you knew what you said -- >> would you please -- this has been a tough couple debates for rick, and i understand that, so you're going to get testy. >> joining me now is democratic strategist bob shrum, nyu professor and former adviser to the kerry and gore campaigns. msnbc political analyst richard wolf wolffe, and nbc's maria schiavocampo, who will help us out with a fact check. thanks to all of you for being here. bob, let me start with you. the gloves real le came off last night in the debate, right? >> i think so. romney has had pretty much of a free right so far. the truth is he's well prepared.
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he did pretty well in these earlier debates. i think he's brittle. if you say something he doesn't expect, he tends to react badly to it. i can't believe they didn't have him prepared about the questions about the company that -- >> you're talking about the -- the company that -- >> yeah, that -- >> let's go through that a minute. the fact check. the big moment last night was rick perry attacking mitt romney on immigration, which is what bob is referring to. for folks who haven't seen it, here is how it went down. >> you hired illegals in your home, and you knew about it for a year. the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocri hypocrisy. >> governor romney? >> rick, i don't think that i've ever hired an illegal in my
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life. i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that, because that doesn't. >> i'll tell you the facts. >> again, rick, i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- >> i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- >> you get 30 seconds. i get 60 seconds and then you go ahead 30 seconds to respond. >> the american people want.truth. they want you to say. >> would you please wait? anderson? are you just going to keep talking? >> perry was throwing some red meat to the republican crowd there, but was it accurate? >> mara, what is the truth? >> he says he never hired any immigrant, and while he personally did not, the company he hired personally did. there was a report that illegal immigrants were doing work at his home. the governor vowed to fix that, but a year later the globe published another report that lawn work was still being done by immigrants. that's when romney finally fired the landscaping country. he argued last night it's hard
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for a homeowner to know the status of anyone who's working for an outside contractor. we wanted to do a little fun, so we worked up a rev-ometer. in terms of romney's claim that he nifr heard it, we're reading it as half lincoln, half blago down the middle. >> you saw the debate and you've seen the rev-oh meter. >> i think they had need to hit the side of the rev -- for all intents and purposes, it wasn't true. you know, he can say how could anyone know? when "the boston globe west puts it on the front page, that's a way to find out. rick perry had a case, but as --
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he wasn't prepared for it. there's nothing wrong with mitt romney showing emotion, but show it on something that matters, like jobs, the economy, or maybe foreign policy. don't show your anger on the rules of the debade. it just looks petty, they all looked childish. >> bob, you've run a lot of campaigns. who won that exchange? i mean, richard i think is right, if you're going to show that passion and emotion, you should do it on something that matters to people. but who won the exchange? >> well, i think perry won the exchange, and i think he really won it when romney's final explanation was that he called the lawn company and said, look, i can't have any illegals working here. i'm running for office. what was he implying that he could have them if he wasn't running for office? >> i want people to get this. the reason was he's running for office, not that he's wrong or opposed to it. it was more about image than
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honesty. >> i think they hadn't prepared him. if they did, they ought to fire the people that prepared him. what that conveyed is he didn't care about the right or wrong or the merits, he just cared about how it looked. i think that's authentic, he was being authentic and truthful. he just cared about how it looked. the real key to this is whether perry pops in the polls in the next couple weeks. if he doesn't, they don't have anybody else but romney. the dogs may not like the dog food, but i can't believe in the end the republican party would be dumb enough, for example, to nominate someone like herman cain. >> well, now that you brought up herman cain, let's talk about his 9-9-9 plan. the other candidates slammed him for it, saying it would raise taxes for millions of americans. cain said this -- >> it does not raise taxes on those making the least. all of those are simply not true. >> well, is cain telling the
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truth? let's check in with mara. what's the story here? >> cain says that his 9-9-9 plan would not raise taxes on the working class and poor, but a new analysis says that cain's plan would raise taxes on 84% of u.s. households and mostly hurts those at the lower end of the scale. the the bottom 20% would see the taxes go up by about $1600, but for the wealthiest americans, top zero, they would get a tax cut. so, rev, herman cain saying his 9-9-plan would not raise taxes for the poorest americans, we're going to set it up on rev-o-meter, full blago. >> well, what do you think about that, richard? >> yeah, he's in big trouble on this particular plan, because perry is about to come out with his own flat tax plan, and that
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will steal his thunder. i think even more troubling is him having opened up the whole can of worm about exchanging the prisoners for hostages, and that spun off into this whole bizarre thing, was iran/contra okay? was reagan wrong? >> this is horrible territory for him. >> bob, don't you think he's being innovative with this proposal? >> i think he's live in bizarre-o world, but i think a lot of those republicans, reverend, that you watched on that stage are living in bizarre-o world. what i think will happen is we'll have the final challenge from perry over the next couple months. it's either going to take off or it's not. i think he could conceivably beat romney for the nomination,
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i don't think anybody else can. >> rick perry and mitt romney also went after each other on jobs. >> mitt, while you were the governor of massachusetts in that period of time, you were 47th in the nation in job creation. you failed as the governor of massachusetts. >> i've got to -- -- i'm very proud of the fact during the four years we were both governor, my unemployment rate in massachusetts was lower than your unemployment rate in texas. >> a lot of numbers. any accurate? >> he is correct on romney's record. massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states? job growth. only michigan, ohio and louisiana were worse during that time period. as far as romney, he is also correct. unemployment in massachusetts was lower than unemployment in texas during the four years where they were governor at the same time. in fact, even though rick perry
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likes to talk about job crazy in texas, the unemployment rate is higher there now than in two decades. texas is one of only a accident states where the unemployment rate has gone up since the end of the recession. when it comes to perry and romney talking about how bad the records are, let's see how that rates. they are both honest abe, both telling the truth about each other's jobs records. >> they both make honest abe by their race to the bottom, on who did the worst at creating jobs. that's not going to do well. >> i think richard would probably agree on this, but i think it's one of the two times where we'll call mitt romney honest abe in this. rick santorum was exactly right, he had written in his book that his health reform plan was a
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model for the nation, he took it out of the next edition. he also said it in a debate in 2008 with john mccain. this is a guy who basically is running for president by renouncing almost every basic position he took on central fundamental issues over the course of his political career. >> last night, richard, who distinguished themselves, if anyone, to you? >> oh, that's a tough one. ron paul, probably, for raising ronald reagan and pointing out the inconsistencies. this spiel has gotten to the point where any of these candidates can drive a truck think anyone else's arts. what was interesting is not the exchanges themselves. rick perry, you don't know if he'll reach the end of his sentence in one piece, so there's that fear when he starts hout. but what was clear last flight is he has the ability to take mitt romney apart. he's either going to win the nomination or take mitt romney
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down in flames with him. he has the money and political will to do it. he knows where the weak spots are, but so does ron paul and rick santorum. they all know where they are, because the flaws are so obvious. watching this unfold for the next couple months will decide not just the nominee, but how damaged they are. >> bob shrum, richard wolffe, and mara, thank you for your time tonight. remember, candidates, we're watching, so be an honest abe, not a blago. ahead, herman contain goes after wall street protesters again. russell simmons responds tonight. stay with us. the postal service is critical to our economy-- delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service, and want to lay off over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem ? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains 5 billion a year
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polls show voters like what they see for president obama's jobs plan, and are sick of republicans holding things up in washington. seems like they're starting to deliver that message.
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just take a look at this exchange at a town hall meeting held by pennsylvania freshman loubarletta. >> trying to closing the tax loop holes and stop treating the people like we're the dogs under the table waiting for the scraps to fall on the floor. [ applause ] >> this isn't the first time he faced an unhappy crowd. here he was in april, when voters questioned his vote to preserve subsidies for big oil. >> how could you vote on the federal tax breaks to big oil that was just passed through the house of representatives. in lockstep. >> you're a congressman, don't laugh at us. >> yeah. >> i want to know about the voucher. >> he wouldn't even answer them. just kept laughing. maybe barletta doesn't know the trouble he's in.
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he's raised more money than his challenger, but hi opponent is catching up. and he's not the only one. politico reports lots of gop freshman everying having a hard time fund-raising. let's not forget that only 13% of americans approve of the job congress is doing. i guess they don't mind if they laugh at their constituents, as long as voters get the last laugh, next november. my doctor told me calcium
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early days. >> russell simmons is here with me now. he's not only been there from the beginning, but he's gotten others there, including me. many of the people expanding are because of the russell simmons. >> it's a pleasure to be on your show. >> thank you. tell me why you got involved. >> they had the right message and went to the right place, wall street. the corporate bribery for politicians is so strong in this country that it is creating a class war fare that's killing our middle class the statements
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are truthful, sweet, idealistic kids who want to see a better country, and i want to support them in their effort. >> one of the things that's been impressive is they have been made the american people discussing the plight of the poor. before, you know, a lot of people would say what's the objective? what's the got, but they have changed the conversation. now they're talking about jobs, they changed the whole thing, something that you have at wanted -- so if they do nothing else, they've gotten the conversation where you think it needs to be.
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>> for me it's been following your lead, and it's something that -- and i think their dialogue, which is becoming louder and louder is bringing a new light to a place that needs a light if america is to survive and we have to give opportunity to those people who are locked out. this protest at the very most, what it could do is change the way that our government operates. it's going to grow, you know, and as it continues to gro, anything is possible. >> now, one of the things, when you look at the politics of it, they've been attacked, as we know any movement will be. herman cain, let me show you something he said that was disturbing to me. >> he said don't blame wall street, don't blame the big banks, blame yourself. do you city say that? >> yes, i do still say that, and here's why.
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>> they might be frustrated with wall street and bankers, but they're directing the anger at the wrong place. what do they want? for wall street to come downstairs and write them a check? this is what we don't understand. >> forget herman cain and the politics, what are people to cheer about? for people to chair saying they're poor and suffering by choice, what are we coming to? >> it's very frustrating, we have to, as individuals stand by what we believe. we believe we're all connected. those people who are suffering are my people. i think the people locked out didn't get a lucky break. people know that hard work promotes happiness, and that but
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until you get people the right consciousness, the right support systems, they struggle, and those people are suffering, because they haven't had the right opportunity. i think that's why you're here, why we go in march, and that's why we speak to people. you have to live the bottom up. those on top are lucky. >> now, lifting people up you've done. about a year ago, the 14th of october in 2010, about young people. a lot of young people look to you let me show you something that you wrote about young people a little over a year ago. you said it's time for young people to stand up and by proud of what they accomplished when they elected barack obama toheo
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cynical about young people, but it was the youth vote that came out. you said he still would have been a senator if it wasn't for young people, and that people are not giving young people the credit. >> this country is built on young idealistic people. those people who created you're wall street are young, and they're inspired. they're not people who accept the norm. they want to change this country for the better. and we have to look to them not only for their leadership, but their energy. this energy they're bringing now needs support. i want to continue to bring new energy and support to their work and add fuel to their fire. i think that's something you have done, and a lot of us will be there doing for months to come. i believe there's a possibility, maybe a constitutional amendment banning corporations from bribing politicians to go to war or bribing politicians to
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lengthen prison sentences so they can make money in the prison industrial complexes or move jobs offlore or putting loop holes in the tax law so i don't have to pay taxes. these are things that need to be addressed. the reason that i don't pay tax is because there's someone pushing a politician to leave a loophole or promote a hole in the market that i can squeeze my company through. no one will ma -- the conservatives always say, why don't i write a check for more taxes. well, no, i won't give my money to the war machines and other things, but if it helps the education and health care for people who are locked out, of course i want to pay more taxes. the only reason there's sorpt corporate welfare and reason only reason -- every sign you see down there on occupy wall street, every specific initiative, where they're unraveling the unions, or when i talk about the prison industrial
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complex, or any single issue comes from the fact that corporations are pushing politicians to make decisions on their behalf instead of the people's behalf. and we want to represent the people. we want a true democracy, where politicians work for the people who elected them. >> well, let me thank you again, godfather, for being with me today. russell simmons, thanks for joining me. ahead, extreme views have extreme consequences. we'll talk to a woman who was once fighting to recruit latinos to the gop. now she's left the party. that's next. ugh my sinuses... the congestion... it's your fault. naturally blame the mucus. try advil congestion relief. it treats the real problem, reducing swelling due to nasal inflammation. [ male announcer ] advil congestion relief.
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the hispanic vote will play a major role in the 2012 election. the population is surging in states like nevada, new mexico and florida, key swing states that president obama won in 2008. he took the latino vote by 36-point margin that year, but with news of report deportations under the obama administration, republicans could have a big opportunity to pick up disillusioned latino voters. the only problem is themselves. they can't stop saying things like this. >> would you build an entire fence along the entire boarder, and would you have it be electrified?
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>> allow me to give the serious answer. yes, i believe we should security the border for real. >> we have a huge number of illegals coming into this country. >> crack down on people who come here illegally. >> i think the issue that you're referring to is the issue of anchor babies. >> cracking down on illegals? and sank ore babies? electric fences? this kind of talk has latino republicans walking away from the party. talking points memo highlights one of them leaving after herman cain's electric fence idea exploded in controversy. extreme ideas could have extreme congressing. joining me is dee dee blaze, a hispanic republican group dedicated to increasing the latino republican voting bloc, but she recently left the party,
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becoming an independent because of the all the extreme anti-immigrant receipt ricks, and nia-malika henderson, political reporter for "the washington post," you can following her election 2012 blog on thanks to both of you for being here today. dee dee, you were a republican and you quit the party. tell us what happened? >> well, the straw that broke the camel's back for me was in addition to the anti-immigrant sentiment, the straw was marco rubio. a cuban from florida, whose family has benefited from amnesty, and government benefits, who decided to sponsor lamar smith, a republican from texas, his large government idea via the national e-verify
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program. both these people claim to be less government, but they are supporting large government ideas. now, we were already sort of getting used to the anti-immigrant and the anti-latino sentiment, but what did it for me was marco rubio sponsoring a large government idea. not only did he do that, he does not support our kids, our youth via the dream act, and she embraced arizona's harsh anti-immigrant law, and he's hispanic. >> his family ben phetted it, but he and others in the republican party are supporting these harsh anti-latina, anti-immigration laws like the ones we marched on in arizona. this is what has, in many ways humiliated you and a lot of latinos. >> absolutely. there's definitely a wedge, no thanks to marco rubio, between
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the mexican-american community and the cuban-american community. what the republicans need to understand is they can't lump us all in one hispanic pile. cubans only make up 3% of the total hispanic population pie, while mexican-americans make up almost 70%. so do you see what's going on here? they're listening to the wrong guy. they need to listen to mexican-american leaders that provide most of that voting power. >> nia, is this a missed opportunity? >> it certainly is. there is a window, it seems like, that republicans might have been in terms of attracting voter, but it seems they're walking past it. your guest talked about them needing to listen to mexican, needing to listen to this diverse group of latinos. it seems like they're listening to the far rightrick perry had a
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much more moderate view on immigration, on amnesty, on guest worker programs many years ago, six years ago he wrote a piece, an editorial saying he supported a guest worker program, but that's not something you hear him talk about very often, and last night they used the phrase illegal aliens to refer to illegal immigrants. in a state like nevada where the population, as you said, is about 25% latino, that will do some damage to whoever makes it out of this primary come the general. if you look at the polls, obama now is doing pretty well among latinos. he's got about 65% support right now, but there is an opening for latinos who are looking for more support in terms of some of the issues that they care about, and those issues are jobs and, quite frankly, immigration as well. >> dee dee, when you look at the debate that we saw last night, as a latino, an american citizen
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now, how do you feel when you see people on that stage in the republican party, a party you recruit latinos for almost spitting out the material like illegal immigrants, sank ore. how do you sit there and feel as a republican latino? >> it's very, very heartbreaking, because the party that claims to be the pro-life party has now become one of the most hypocritical issues. for instance, michele bachmann refers to babies as anchor babies. that is a dehumanizing term. it's derogatory. it's almost as defamatory -- what i consider defamatory -- i don't like the word tar baby, but that word should be avoided just as much as the term anchor baby. sank ore baby is extremely offensive to us. from the party that claims to be
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pro-life, yet using a dehumanizing term, since when did we not being a pro-life republican party? >> nia, how do they dial this back for a general election? you're out there using -- you hear you have a former latino republican leader using the term "anchor baby is the same as using "tar baby" in a republican presidential debate. no one denounced it on stage when michele bachmann used it, and others spitting out almost like it was something distasteful, the term "illegal immigrant." how do you dial this back to appeal to latino voters when the face the president? >> there was that moment on stage when mitt romney did use the frayed "illegal alien" and he corrected him to say "illegal immigrant" as if he was acknowledging this could be a problem for him when he tries to
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switch to the general, if in fact he does win the nomination. it's going to be awfully tough, i think, for them to dial back this rhetoric and really start to try to connect with latino voters in these key states -- and so far there isn't any indication that this is something they think is important. >> we, dee dee, nia-malika, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. ahead, the grand old party is the grand old mean party. that's next. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie.
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there's now been eight gop debates. if there's one thing that's clear, it's that the fringe has taken over. this is your republican party. america, this is it. the party that cheers at things like this -- >> your state has executed 234 death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times. have you -- [ applause ] >> what do you make of the dynamic that gist happened here, the mention of the execution of 234 people drew applause. >> i think americans understand justice. it's the party that boos at this -- >> do you intend to circumvent the progress that's been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military. [ booing ]
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>> it's the party that trips over itself to electrify border fences. >> it would be a combination of a fence, technology, as well as possibly boots on the ground for some of the more dangerous areas. i don't apologize at all for wanting to protect the american citizens and protect our agents on the border. no. and it's the party that takes from the poor and gives to the rich. >> don't try and stop the foreclosure process. let it run its course and hit the bottom, allow investor toss buy home, put renters in them, fix the homes up and let it come back up. >> funny. i grew up in the late '60s and '70s here in new york where there were republicans like rockefeller, and i was born there was a republican president eisenhower. there was a time when they competed on how they were going to lift americans up,


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