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i feel your pain. i've got a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old. do what i do. gather your kids around and say, halloween's been canceled this year. seems to work. a look at all this stuff for coffee. oh there's tons. french presses, espresso tampers, filters. it can get really complicated. not nearly as complicated as shipping it, though. i mean shipping is a hassle. not with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. the rangers a strike away that is easy. best news i've heard all day! i'm soooo amped! from winning it. i mean not amped. excited. well, sort of amped. in both the ninth and tenth really kind of in between. have you ever thought about decaf? innings. two strikes on freese, two do you think that would help? yeah. priority mail flat rate shipping starts at just $4.95, only from the postal service. strikes on burton. a simpler way to ship. freese hits it into the air in center. we will see you tomorrow night. welcome to "morning joe".
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mike barnacle watching this last night called this one of the five greatest world series games in over a century. the "new york times" this morning, willie geist as we look at these amazing pictures from an amazing game last night said this is destined to go down as one of the most iconic moments in the 107 year history of world series baseball. >> well there's so many story lines within that swing of that bat. david freese a kid who grew up in the st. louis area, rooting for the st. louis cardinals, idolizing some of the players, tearing his jersey off the bat. he dropped a routine pop up. he's playing third base. it was a bizarre game. there were five errors early on that led to runs. he dropped a pop up that led to a run. could have been one of the goats of the game and here he is >> welcome back to -- walking off the field with a win >> stop it!
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for the cardinals. >> welcome back to "morning >> unbelievable. joe." the cardinals -- this team that history is made. was 10 1/2 games out in august this will be played -- and came back, one of the great come back, second greatest come >> exactly. back of september come back of willie geist, what did you all time behind the rays. learn. >> mika, you did not eat white they were the only team to ever be one strike away from being castle with your pinky out. eliminated in the eighth inning. >> just stuff it in your mouth. i understand they clawed their i learned that mika brzezinski way back twice after the eighth inning. >> they did. they came back in the ninth and is not immune to the white did it again in the 11th inning castle. >> i learned herman cain has a to win the game. i have to confess this game was certain knack for donny great. deutsche's art in advertising. but when it went 7-4 rangers in >> yes. >> i learned that the ad that i the seventh inning a man has to did for cain with the guy get up at 3:00 a.m. and have to smoking is not going over as turn off the tv. well. i learned that white castle is so good going in -- you wake up to the emails and the tweets and you can't believe your eyes that they won. >> mika, what did you learn? come in and watch the >> i don't like you today. >> okay. highlights. this is, really, like the bur r i counted 73 emails from bill
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wolf last night. i had an e-mail exchange with burger. george h. bush's chief of staff. >> all right. he said i just had a heart >> game seven of the world attack. series, it's been the best world >> we have 41. series probably since the >> that's for sure. >> friday, october 2th. with us on set is the executive editor at random house and pulitzer prize winner john meacham. >> what's so exciting about "morning joe" is we're very fortunate, we can book just about whom ever we want to book. people want to come on this show. so yesterday willie geist and i, you know, you know what we do. >> you work so hard. >> regis comes on. you know what we do. everything stops. when i say everything stops, i mean everything stops. the world stops. it's like this matrix thing, a thousand things can be going. if the tv is going we turn and both sit down, light one up,
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smoke and watch regis. and yesterday regis did something that willie and i immediately looked at each other. what did we say at the same time? we need to have donny on. donny, re-enact this. >> this is art in the making. >> that's slow too. he's a performer in a good way. >> why is he doing this? >> he was challenged, snooki is the guest. when snooki is there you do strange things. he was challenged to skin it off. she likes a guy with big pecs and big guns. she wanted to check out regis. regis said let me show you what i got, snooks. she's holding his tie. as donny pointed out the guy is 80 years old. >> go regis. look at that. go, reege. that's television. >> of course, willie as you said on way too early, by the way
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which 240,000 million people across the globe, the difference between regis and donny deutsch is what? >> donny doesn't have to be coaxed. >> being a promotions guy i think we leave this as a tease whereas i don't want to do it right now. because then viewers come and then go. >> they go. >> so i'm not sure i'll do it but let's see minute by minute as the show builds. >> loosen the tie a little bit. >> yeah. we'll see. that's a tbd. >> we'll get the music there. john meacham, big news. i don't see it at the top. i'll bring it up. the economy yesterday. i don't think -- i remember when i brought home a 79 in chemistry and my parents were excited. that showed how badly i had done
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in science before then. i get -- i really did. i get so excited because i know how many people are suffering in america right now. i got so excited when i saw that the u.s. economy grew at 2.5% for the quarter. that will probably be readjusted down. it always is. but, man, that is -- that is good news when you put everything in perspective. >> totally. in the land of the blind, statistics of the glaucoma are king. it is good news. it is, i think the market reaction which is terrific and great goes to a point you made a lot publicly and privately which is the elites are doing better than a lot of working folks. and so the jobs numbers continue to be the most important long term indicator of whether there's sustainable growth. and we'll see what the markets do today. but anything that begins to show some signs of life is good news.
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>> we had the chance or shadow chance on yesterday, donny, and he told us britain's growth has flat lined pinpoint has. it's been at zero for a very long time. >> everybody always looks at things negatively. i'm thinking yesterday after these numbers came out that the rest of the world is in such bad shape, if we just got our act together, because china is facing the bubble. >> the problem is -- >> europe is in trouble. if we just got our act together the united states could lead. >> we could but the good news, bad news in this obvious global world even if we get our act together and the rest of the world falls apart -- the thing these numbers show and it's very interesting for election. we'll have a recovery but still have a jobless recovery. i think it's a new world right now. we have to separate jobs and the economy. that's an unfortunate thing for this. >> the market and the economy. >> these are two different worlds right now and continue to
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be so. what implications does that have for barack obama? you're running on the economy and it's going in the right direction but jobs are still at 9, 9.5%. >> if europe collapses, if china hits a bubble, there's little that any president can do to stop those negative waves from crashing on to our shores. and really hurting america. we are intertwined now. >> you have to take a good day where you get it. dow up 340 points. that should be good news for the economy. but as you both pointed out there's some disconnect when we're seeing 25 year historic high month for the dow and yet people aren't finding jobs or work. >> i'll tell you what's scary. three weeks the dow has gone up 20%. which obviously it can swing the other direction. it's not like anything dramatic couldn't happen. we're in this very, very dynamic
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situation. 20%. >> i know nothing about stocks. i never played around in the stock market. if you go up 20% in the past couple of weeks, sell today. take your profits on friday. spend a little bit this week. because there's just -- we had some good economic data but not enough to push it up 20%. >> what does it mean for main street anyway. let's get to washington where there actually is a lot going on. deadline to reach a deal on the deficit less than a month away. we're getting new details on a proposal from republican members of the congressional super committee. their plan released a day after the democrats calls for $2.2 trillion in total deficit reduction often years including $500 billion in medicare cuts, $185 cuts in medicaid. it also includes tax reform through an attempt to broaden the tax base. a move one capital aide says would generate as much as $200 billion in new revenue. the proposal contains no tax
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increases, which are part of the democrat plan. house speaker john boehner acknowledged the deep divisions on the committee but said the group must work towards realistic solutions snipe do think it's time for everybody to get serious about this. when i see news reports of some of what was put on the table, democrats wanting $1.3 trillion worth of tax increases, this is the same number that was in the president's budget. the same number that, i don't know that they found any democrats in the senate to vote for. i don't think it's a reasonable number. >> boehner's democratic counter part, nancy pelosi said she's withholding any comment on the proposals until a comprehensive package is unveiled but noted that entitlement cuts should not be the sole focus. >> it's no use asking me about specific things until we see the whole package. it's not fair to say to a senior
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you're going to pay for more social security and we're not going to touch a hair on the head of the wealthiest people in our country. it's not fair to say to that senior, by the way, that increased premium that you're paying is now going to be considered revenue. it's now going considered revenue. let's just see a package. let's not again exclude anything. let's just see how they come, wreck -- everybody recognizes the balance we need to have. >> so, donny, you look at the numbers. you're a business guy. you've done a lot of big deals before. i'm heartened by where we are. here's the republican number. $200 billion in new revenue. no tax increase but closing loopholes. democrats are at $1.2 trillion. there's a deal to be made somewhere there in the middle. the thing that any deficit hawk has to be concerned about when you look at the democratic plan
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it is smoking mirror when is they talk about reducing entitlements. republican plan is that number smoking mirrors? are both sides going to get serious about the things they hate to do the most? >> i think they have no choice. i think it's going to happen. you know, you kind of just sometimes read between the lines when you look at the faces and you can sense when there's intractability and you can sense when both sides speak their pieces. i get a sense it won't get fast deadline and a deal will get made. >> will both side get serious on the things they hate to do most, won't that involve tax increases? >> that's what i just said. >> they don't do it. >> but the republicans are talking about $200 billion in new revenue. >> but not from tax increase. >> they are closing loopholes. >> closing loopholes. >> i don't want to raise the top march about inial rate. warren buffett will still pay
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$18%. that's nonsense. >> can we agree that's not necessarily tax increases? that's more rectifying a situation. >> it won't rectify the situation. you can raise that top number as much as you want. until you close the loopholes. you're not going to make the system more fair. at the end of the day, john, it's about how much new revenue comes into the federal government. and if we can strike a deal by closing loopholes, that's a win for everybody. >> i think so. it seems to me the problem if you just try to raise the marginal rates you'll have new loopholes. not just going to blindly say okay. >> that hits the small businesses making $250,000 but not the billionaires. >> so there needs to be some sense of fairness in this 14 billion page tax code. that's a good thing. the money still spend however you get it. >> i think congress, you know --
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>> really quickly we have to go use on the other side. one point that people have to understand is the fact that every time you have this deal that says oh, we're going to have $3 in spending cuts for every dollar of tax increase. they have the tax increase, congress never comes through with the spending cuts. when i say never, i mean never. so i -- when democrats say they will cut spending, you know what? chain them to the radia torch r. >> when congressional approval rating goes to 9%, congress has a sense it's time to act differently. i get a sense -- >> who cares? they are scared. willie geist, in part they are scared when rattner came on a
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couple of weeks ago he had the biggest drops in consumer confidence since world war ii and number two was the blowing up of the debt ceiling bill. they under that their malfeasance caused economic pain for americans. >> i guess so. are they acting differently? this max baucus plan came out. republicans said no we're not raising taxes. >> they are negotiating. >> they stood fast in this position who says we'll not move on tax increases. >> they come out with a plan to close loopholes. that raises 200 billion. >> yeah. it's almost as if two different languages. >> exactly. it's mars versus venus. >> revenue. money spend anyway you get that money to washington.
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>> what i find interesting, we were talking about the top tier is that we with know two-thirds of americans want to tax millionaires more. what we're finding is that even more mill first, 6% think they should be taxed more. >> exactly. >> both sides of the equation. >> they say. come on. >> real easy for them to say. >> but that's amazing. >> even more millionaires. >> that's warren buffett. i want to pay more taxes. warren send the address. >> we have an address. i'm sure we can find one in washington. you need a comprehensive solution or at least in the political process something that gets within hollering distance. that's includes closing loopholes that people bought and paid for. it requires finding some way to encouraging innovation, to get some growth, to get some jobs. we don't have people working, all this conversation will continue to be ever more divided from reality and the country
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will get ever more divided both politically and economically and it won't be good. >> i want to go to jobs for a second. you spoke to the word of reality. if we go on the premise of regardless of what anybody says about manufacturing, pure economics, pure capitalism we'll never be a great manufacturing society again. we can't compete with 40 cents an hour labor. where do the jobs come from? we say energy. new technologies. i want somebody to tell me and i don't want to be the negative guy, we all know we either make stuff, sell information, where do jobs come from? >> for donny they can come from energy. look at exxonmobil's profits that they announced yesterday. extraordinarily high. look at the pipeline from canada to the gulf of mexico. that will create some new jobs. there are some jobs that can be created that regulations get in the way of. some. will we regrow the economy by building pipelines?
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no. i want to get back, though, you wanted to talk about jobs, i want to talk quickly about taxes. this is one of the things that has been frustrating listening to people on the left talk about tax increases. what they don't understand, and i don't mean to speak down to anybody, but when everybody says let's tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich, what they don't understand is when you take that 35% tax rate and let's say take it up to 40%, you are taxing people that make from $250,000 to maybe a million. the super rich are still going to be paying at 15% because they figured out a way to make all of their profits capital gains. that's why warren buffett will not -- you could raise taxes to 80%, warren buffett would still be paying his 18%. >> joe, i want to disagree with you. as a guy who fortunately is in that higher, not warren buffett,
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you just can't say capital gains. it's not as simple, i would line up a lot of people that make millions of dollars a year and if they can figure out to make their income capital gains. there's laws. >> but very wealthy people have lawyers, they have accountants, they got a fleet of accountants that figure out a way to buy a jet, to preciate 100%. >> i pay ordinary income. >> the average millionaire and billionaire pays 18% tax rate. why can't they close the tax loophole. >> close the tax loopholes but why can't we tax the very wealthy? why can't we in this time -- >> that's what we're talking about. >> you say it has to be just closing loopholes. it's two different languages that perhaps taxes need to go up on some tloefl millionaires.
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>> they will go up. >> by closing the loopholes? >> of course. because millionaires and billionaires -- it doesn't matter, mika, what you say the top tax rate is for millionaires and billionaires if you don't close the loopholes. they will keep paying 18%. >> it will be the people making the small business owners making 250,000 that will take the disproportionate hit. millionaires and billionaires skate unless you close these loopholes. >> if you believe the tax code of a country is a moral document, closing these kinds of loopholes is exactly in tune with that. >> and you think at this time where we're going historically by cutting entitlements and try to make a serious action in that direction for the first time ever we should not balance that by raising taxes in any other way. >> mika, we're talking about making the rich pay more.
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>> yeah. >> we're talking about making the rich pay more. when you say let's raise the top tax rate that may make some people on the left feel good but the practical effect is that the millionaires and billionaires still skate. you've got to close the tax loopholes if you want the rich to pay more. guess what? that will continue to go up unless you close the loopholes and, again, you talk about the tax code as a moral document. right now, again, the richest americans are paying 18%. not bush's 35%. 18%. >> a little flexibility yesterday, boehner talking about closing loopholes. nancy pelosi entertaining on working on entitlements. >> you can feel it. >> i was glad to hear what nancy said and john said. i think we're moving in the right direction.
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>> coming up, "mad money's" jim cramer. we'll talk about his new "the washington post" column. moderator of "meet the press" david gregory and congresswoman barbara lee whose district had the violence erupt. >> where is the promo, guy? >> he has a fleet of accountants. >> i'm blocking the concept out of my mind. designee took his shirt off at the most inappropriate time. he's here today with a very chilly forecast. keep your shirt on. >> taking my shirt off. good morning, everyone. i wish i had a nice easy forecast for you. but this is a snowy forecast. this is a december forecast. it feels like winter this morning. no question about it. wind chills are in the 20s in new england. snow yesterday. but just wait until you see what's coming on saturday.
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already winter storm watches have been issued for coastal maine, central new england down i-95. if you're in those colored type counties you can expect significant snow. my computers are telling me big cities, slushy snow, rain at the end. one to three in the burbs. three to six inches in the hills. if you're in the poconos or appalachians six to 12 inches is possible. this has never happened at the end of october. this is a historic snowstorm tomorrow. not today. everyone is fine today. that snow is down in arkansas and louisiana this morning. bringing rain to florida and atlanta as we go throughout the day today. we'll have more details on my twitter account if you want to see it. "morning joe" is brought to you by starbucks.
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time now to take a look at the morning papers at 27 the hour. the "san francisco chronicle" says california governor jerry brown is propose agnew retirement age and pension plan for all new state workers. under his plan they would collect full benefits at inch 67 instead of 55. >> okay. that's dramatic. >> now we're talking. >> congress can jack it up 12 weeks but jerry brown 12 years. california is in horrific shape economically after a generation of spending too much. the "boston globe" is saying some locals are saying a hollywood movie will glamorize a man who is a ruthless criminal. damon is playing the role of the boston mobster.
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china is very likely to contribute to the eurozone bailout fund. advisors to the chinese government. the scope of the involvement will depend on european leaders satisfying some key conditions asking thome refrain from criticizing china's currency policy a frequent source of tension with trade partners. this weekend on the cover of "parade" magazine will feature an interview of ellen degeneres. another guy who is leaving to start his own, john. >> i was surprised. >> john. >> who is starting? >> john harris. going to call it john. i don't understand the logo. just an outhouse. maybe it pulls in the viewers. >> you go to upstate new york,
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seriously. i talked a lot about the beatles '64, jfk airport. no. >> more like woodstock. >> they love him in courtland. >> amazing. >> you can't walk down the main street in utica. >> john harris is the editor and chief of "politico". he's with us right now. john, hour doing, man? >> i'm doing great. thank you. >> you own it, baby. >> you nailed that one. >> they love you. >> let's go back to your comfort zone. you guys had an interview with bill daley i guess with roger simon and he didn't hold back. tell us about it. >> sometimes you get these great moments in journalism when you have the perfect combination of journalist and subject and that's what you have with roger simon our political columnist and bill daley. they've known each other close 240 years. rogers sat down with bill daley
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in is west wing. daley talks about the sense of embattlement. describes the last three years as brutal. a word he used several times. a couple of times ungodly. drops the f bomb a couple of times as if he's doing his best rahm emanuel impersonation. we don't do that. substantively what was most interest is daley talking about the president's strategy which is to rise above congress. he says he's frustrated, he describes his own frustration with congress and importantly says it's republicans and democrats, blames both parties for trying to block the president's momentum and initiatives. i don't think that will be received especially well by democrats up on capitol hill. but the theory is glide over congress as much as possible for the next 13 months. >> remarkable interview.
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one of the quotes that jumped out of me when the minority leader says my number one objective in life is to make president obama a one term president and all decisions flow from that it's hard not to be cynical. talking about mitch mcconnell. john harris, good luck with the network. we'll be watching. >> we're getting serious. syracuse down to the painted post? >> all the way down. >> fuel highlights of the great world series game last night and some great post- game reaction. also the week in review. keep it on "morning joe". ♪ [ female announcer ] give a little cheer to a family of a soldier.
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welcome back to "morning joe". we're going to do some sports here, give you the full highlights of that incredible game six. you probably went to bed. did you stay up john meacham? did you really? i'm impressed. swannee man. stronger constitutions than those guys. >> soft up there. >> let's go the first inning. incredible game.
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texas got out the a 1-0 lead. lance berkman a two-run home run. errors early on was the story. a couple allowed the rangers get back in it. matt holliday should have called off the shortstop but let it fall off the heel of his glove . matt napoli makes them pay with a base hit down the right-field line. that gave texas the lead 3-2. cardinals tied it up in the bottom of the fourth. more errors. remember this play. third baseman david freese, routine popup, started going back to the pitcher and drops it. led to another run and another raininger's lead. sixth inning. one run one out bases jammed. st. louis an opportunity to blow this wide-open. watch this. mike napoli catches holliday, napping at third base. what a play by napoli.
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adrian beltre blocks the bag with his right foot. injured his hand and had to leave the game. rangers get out of the jam. >> great playing. >> seventh inning. beltre, 417 home run. nelson cruise into the third deck. that's when a lot of us went to bed. 7-4. cruz's eighth. >> you don't win pulitzer by sleeping flu tonight. >> freese down to the last of the season. a 1-2 count hates lynn drive to right field, cruz tracks this down. he dropped it. should have. gets overhead. hits the wall. both runners score. a triple. ties the game at seventh. in the ninth inning, josh hamilton injured. texas with a two-run lead.
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first world series title. bottom of the 10th. st. louis now down a run again. down to its final strike again. and it's berkman who is having an incredible season in st. louis. a base hit. ties the score at 9-9. at the bottom of the 11th inning, tied game at 9-9. david freese at the plate. >> freese hits it in the air to center. we will see you tomorrow night. >> a lot to say about that home run. freese dropped the pop fly, comes back to redeem himself not once but twice. the home town kid, also if you listen to that call, by the way, he said exactly what his father the great jack said 20 years ago in game six of the 1991 world series when kirby puckett hit a home run to send it to game seven.
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see you tomorrow night. freese's solo home run. they are tearing the shirt off of freese in celebration. third time a team has won out from elimination. freese is the first player in world series history to have a pair of hits in the ninth inning or later as he did in the ninth and 11th. after the game he spoke about that moment of a lifetime. >> man. that was incredible. i was glad i just had a chance after looking like an idiot on the pop up. you expect to come back like this. this is a good feeling. >> joe, you mentioned this earlier. this shows freese's torn jersey. it will be sent to the hall of fame. freese and his teammate lance
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berkman spoke and joked about their clutch performances. >> growing up or whatever and you see stuff like that happen, you know those become memories, and i've said it time and time again as far as being part of this come back but it wouldn't be as sweet if this group of guys weren't with me. >> by the way when you're a little kid and you're out there, you don't have a bunch of reporters and fans ready to call you a joking dog if you don't come through. so when you're a kid you don't realize what a big moment that is and, you know, i'm just going caution all little kids out there be careful what you wish for. >> that's lance berkman. he has a nickname fat elvis and big puma. game seven. now, remember none of this matters if the cardinals don't win tonight. five errors. >> just feel -- >> by the way, the red sox always talked about game six, game six. in '75.
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they lost it the next night. >> and '86. buckner would have been off the hook. >> which proves what i always say the red sox suck. >> why do it? >> if only we could have got jeep as far as the yankees in the playoff. ♪
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. 44 the hour. look at that shot of new york city. welcome back to "morning joe". time now for the must read opinion pages. we'll go to peggy noonan. >> in the summer those shots are nice and sunny and warm. winter starts this weekend in
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new york. t.j. who is not going to be at home this weekend, work release, he's going to be in the city doing work release, but t.j. it's like going to snow how much at your house this weekend? >> almost a foot. >> almost a foot. you'll be leaving your wife and kids alone again. >> we're going out you and i. >> no. you knocked over a liquor store last year and this is what you pay for. but still eight to 12 inches at your home. >> it's amazing. >> in october. >> where does he live? antarctica? >> no, pennsylvania. when he's not at the halfway house. >> it's snowing in new york. it's just weird. all right. the divider versus the thinker peggy noonan, rather than raise taxes on individuals we should lower the amount of government spending, the wealthy now receive. the true source of inequity in this country continue poilg that enriches the powerful and empty promise that betray the
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powerless. the real class warfare that threatens us is a class of bureaucrats and crony capitalists trying to rise above the rest of us, call the shots and preserve their place atop society. if more republicans thought and spoke like this the party would flourish. people would be less fearful for future and mr. obama wouldn't be seeing his numbers go up. you know, i still want to address and let you explain, again, why -- why it's okay just to close loopholes? i know you're frustrated with it. >> joe's point is -- what he's saying that's the real way to -- the reality, joe's point i'm not as extreme as him. the real way you get more money out of the millionaires is lifting their rate 3% to 5%, taking away the loopholes that's where you'll get the money.
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the moral issue is where the most dollars. >> we're talking about getting the most money from people that pay 18%, their real tax rate is 18%. >> if you raise my rate 5% that's only $50,000. if you take away my loophole you probably get $150,000. that's the difference. it's more taxes. >> one thing feels good. let's do away with bush cuts and get taxes up 240% for the top. that makes you feel good. the reality is warren buffett will still pay 18%. but you'll feel good about it. we repeal the bush tax cuts. the small owners making 250,000 will get hit. >> weren't you for at one point a tax on millionaires? >> the wealthy -- i am foreclosing -- i am for millionaires and billionaires paying more of their fair share in taxes. you do not do that by raising the top rate. if you raise the top rapist without closing the loopholes
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then all you're doing is hammering people that can't afford a fleet of accountants. i don't understand what you're getting at here, mika. feel good about yourself. raise the top tax rate and warren buffett continues to pay 18% and the rich keep getting richer. >> not me. >> you create jobs for tax lawyers and accountants. >> right. >> when you just raise the marginal rate because you'll have people trying to figure out again how to game the system. why not take on the system. >> you hear people saying tax rates for 75% when eisenhower was president. guess what? the rich weren't paying 75% when eisenhower was president. you close the loopholes. as john meacham said, the rich have lobbied for more a quarter of a century and when you close those loopholes then you start getting more money from billionaires. it's just that simple. >> it's step. reality in this country in 30 years the lowest income earners,
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their wages have gone up 20%, the top have gone up 275%. it's stunning what's happened. >> and that's hat been happening for 30 years while the middle class has been hollowed out. we got a tax system right now that encourages the wrong type of behavior. >> i don't disagree with that. >> we got to fix it. >> willy's weekend review is next. >> you want to raise those marginal rates. that's what you want to do this weekend. ♪ [ man ] i got this citi thank you card
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it's time for the week in review. you know what we're going to begin with. rocking rick perry. >> it's fun to poke at him a little bit and say hey how about, let's see your grades and your bitter certificate. >> at number three, the return of the birther. >> it's good issue to keep alive. >> rick perry, inspired he says with a dinner with donald trump. >> i would like him to show a bitter certificate. if he has a birth certificate he should release it. >> do you believe he was born in america? >> might have been. >> he dipped his toe ever so daintily into the birther waters before stepping back out quickly snipe don't think i was expressing doubts. i was having fun with donald trump. >> governor perry should turn
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his addition to another political opponent, the one who was talking funny. >> a fool. >> terrifying. >> at number two, shuttle cocks. vladimir putin, the russian prime minister who has impressioned and delighted the world over the years with his staged scuba diving, topless horseback riding, rugged tiger tracking, black belt martial art and frying pan bending and took a step back wards in bad ass when he summoned state cameras to go to him playing badminton. with that little display of racket sporting, putin might have been bowling with our president.
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or worse, having a catch with him. and the number one story of the week -- in a week when the national polls just kept singing his song, herman cain put up an ad in wip his chief of staff ripped cisgs and blew smoke. >> i'm not the only one in america smoke in america. let block be block. >> let mark be mark. >> cain didn't have to say out loud he approved of block's message, it was written all over his face in slow motion. >> here's a little taste. go.
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>> sure the experts began to quite literally write off cain's candidacy. >> he didn't tuned right of return was, or neo-conservatives were. he had an odd answer on afghan policy. >> but the cain train kept rolling this week. ♪ ♪ one voice united we stand ♪ i am america >> let block be block. >> there's another ad online called yellow flower. more by star. new herman cain one. we'll get into that later. . >> i'm not sure i want to see it >> you're an ad guy. it's getting talked about. >> here's the thinking behind
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it. he's the anti-candidate. he's thumbing his nose at everything. his thing he was going appeal at the young people. everybody sees everything. it's kind of like we're just outside of the box. look at us. it's beyond stupid. >> coming up, we got eugene robinson, jim cramer and david gregory. we'll be right back and hopefully gene will be gene. >> oh, yeah.
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welcome back to "morning joe". live look at the statue of liberty. at 7:00 on the east coast. sun still hasn't come up over washington. john meacham and donny deutsch are still with us. joining us, associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. welcome back to the conversation. good to have you. >> great to be here. >> t.j., 125th anniversary of the statue of liberty today, is that when they put in the final screw? >> that's right. >> today. 125 years. should have been doing the show live. 1886. >> i went with the 100 year thing. then the 25 thing. let willy be willy.
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good things happen. >> so, gene, you've had quite a week in republican politics. and democratic politics. the president's numbers as peggy noonan points out keep creeping up. he's 46 approval rating in gallup and you look head-to-head match-up in ohio and other swing states the president is looking much better today than he did a month ago. >> yeah. they got to be feeling a whole lot better over at the white house. the numbers are creeping up. not yet into safe territory, but out of disaster territory. down in the low 40s, high 30s and they are creeping up to high 40s now. look what's happened on the republican side. the president gets to go out and solidify his base and take these executive actions and essentially do these little mini campaign tours even though they are not supposed to be campaign tours while the republicans are, you saw karl rove in that clip,
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the veins throbbing in his temple. >> that's because karl rove knows how to win elections. he does. and remember karl rove at about the same time i was critical a little after i started saying sarah palin could not win a general election, karl rove got in trouble for telling the truth about sarah palin, she can't win a general election. karl rove got in trouble with some of these idiots that call him a rhino. karl rove is doing what few republicans are doing, unfortunately, i'm one of them, but he's telling the truth about herman cain who doesn't know about afghanistan, doesn't know abouting the right of return, doesn't know about tax policy, doesn't know about most
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policies. so the question is are obama's numbers going up because of what obama doing or are they going up because the republicans are looking more horrifying by the day? >> oh, i think a bit of both, actually. probably need both dynamics to happen to see those numbers climb. the republican party will have to come up with a candidate at some point, and they just can't get into mitt romney. the republican party can't reconcile itself to mitt romney and so here we are with cain -- >> you can understand why. >> yeah, exactly. so who is going to run. when rove brings out the white board and vibrates on taxpayer, you know, that things are getting serious. >> mika, it's really something that mitt romney flip flopped on abortion, he flip flopped on guns, he flip flopped on health care, he flip flopped on all these other thing. that was put behind him four
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years ago. until this past week he flip flopped on this ohio union law. so conservatives now -- he was for kasich's anti-union law is what the left calls it then he was for it. then he was against it. so the flip flopping has begun again. >> great argument for obama against romney. i was reading about something on "politico" to allow perry and romney go at it pop dirty up romney. i don't think it's possible because all the other candidates are such clowns. he may be a flipfloper but the rest are clowns. >> i don't think it's a combination. i think it's exactly what you're saying. people are ready to leave obama. it ain't working. all of a sudden they look and there's nowhere to go. the only place that's even possible, there's no soul. all of a sudden there's a new word that's coming that will haunt romney, soulless.
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that is if you people vote for people you like also and people are just liking him. so there's nowhere to go. >> that's why obama's numbers are going up. >> go ahead, eugene. >> one other factor, the economic numbers the last couple of days, the economy doing a bit better than expected, not great but a little bit better. dow is way up. it will put people in a better mood about the incumbent. >> i agree. john meacham, over the past three months, and these things don't happen in a vacuum. over the past three months moderate republicans, independents, conservative democrats, swing voters, the very people republicans need to get back into the white house have seen over the past three months that the leader of the republican party, first michelle bachmann, mid-summer. second rick perry, late summer. who just said some whacky
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things. social security a ponzi scheme. his flip flopping on illegal immigration. and then herman cain. these three people will never win a general election for president of the united states and i think it's scaring off the very voters republicans need to win. >> i think it is. you know, we're 53 weeks away from the election. almost exactly. so lots of ground to cover. and this is almost wish we could have written the script three months ago that the conversation would turn and obama would look better if the economy moved up a little bit. you no, the misery index is at extraordinary high. i think the professionals would say it's a challenging environment for an incumbent. and so -- you can't beat something with nothing. >> the one thing that i can almost not see not happening, i
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hate to use the double negative, isn't there going to be an independent that's going to step forward? bloomberg, somebody. the opportunity is so there for somebody that has several billion dollars -- >> no and no to use a double negative. >> to me it just seems if there's any time in history people are just unhappy, they got nowhere to go, the first time basically you go to second, an independent really, really -- >> we're way overdo. >> joe, is that possible? >> now would be the time. >> it's too late. >> why is it too late? >> i think it's just literally -- >> it's also -- >> i'm sorry. you know, it may not be too late. but who? you name the one guy it could be. it could be mike bloomberg. in don't know who else it could be. he says it won't be him. you're right about the moment, i think. but i just don't see it happening because bloomberg won't do it snipe don't know if that's true. do we know for a fact? i think he'll do it. i don't know the man well.
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my gut i look at human behavior, the guy has 20 billion. why not. why wouldn't he take 5 billion to do it. what's the reason he wouldn't do it? >> that's how he got to 20 billion by not spending 5. >> he's looked at it. he can appeal to both side. he's looked at it very hard and made the assessment it's not worth his money because he doesn't think he can win. very simple. >> at least in the recent past he doesn't want to spend $5 billion to elect one of the other guys because there's no way to keep it out of the house. you don't get to 270 it goes to the house. and so he would be perot plus. >> can mitt romney carry the day? "new york" magazine has a fascinating article on him this week on romney. >> this is an older picture of
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mitt romney. >> looks like rick perry. >> he does. mitt romney the 1% economy. of course, the question is, whether mitt romney is the guy to get elected these days. i don't know. >> to go to the in point, though, we've all talked about this a lot. we're way over do for some kind of political realignment even within the structure of these two parties. these two parties don't make a whole lot of sense any more. we've not really had a third-party, a new political party since 1860. that has really -- that has sustained anything. you had bull moose, versus populist moments, but there is a lot of churns and so i think there's arguably a place for a leader in one of the two parties who is transformative to pull a new coalition together. richard nixon thought that --
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not for the whole impeachment thing -- that he could create a new party in 1976 that john conley would run. conley was going to be the nominee. nixon had a man crush on him. he thought taking a southern democrat like conley you could create a socially fiscally conservative moderate like conley. >> you look at the front of "politico" today they are talking about how the party structure, you've fwakt, they had 150 year monopoly on american politics are now being challenged and being blown apart and far less relevant today than they were before because in the past what did you need big parties for? one organization. two, money. >> exactly. >> the super bowl -- >> it's trumps the money. the organization can be done online. these two parties that were created 200 years ago to help people organize over a vast
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territory are just not relevant any more. >> something has to give. to john's point. i believe most of the world is purple and most of the world is just, you know, a little shade off center to the right, more conservative socially moderate. where is that represented? >> let's put that picture from "new york" magazine the front cover in context now. it's an old picture of mitt romney, money is coming out of his pockets. that's when he was starting out ba northwestern capital. they call him the 1% economy is the title. as ceo of bane capital mitt romney was one of the principal artifac architects of the modern economy. it's created the economic world we live in with vast sums of money at the top of the labor pyramid. these bana capital guys were agents of the shareholder value revolution.
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a pattern emerged throughout, american business. productive workers and managers were rewarded while unproductive ones were cut loose and it goes on. it's an interesting look opinion >> doesn't sound bad to me. >> it's not completely bad. >> that sounded the way it should be. that's capitalism. >> a friend of mine who knew romney in his bane days, to me the key inside about romney is that in business romney hated saying no. and when you look at his political career, it tracks. when he's a massachusetts republican he's a massachusetts republican. one of the six that are left. when he wants to be president he runs to the right hard. and i think that that goes to what people are reacting, to they think that he's too much of a pleaser. >> that's why conservatives are concerned. willy after eight years of george w. bush a guy who said he'll be a very conservative
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guy, was going to be restrained in foreign policy, was going to shrink the size of the federal government, and he was wilsonian at best trying to export democracy to all four corners of the globe as he said, was going to bring about the end of tyranny. and the deficit just exploded on him. and conservatives don't want to be set up for the fall again with romney. >> they don't feel they cho what's at his core because as john said he's a different man to different people. i think that cover you saw right there that's the image that the white house wants to put out there. this is a guy who is not in touch with you at a time when there's great pain he's incapable of feeling your pain. he's had money coming out of his pockets. that's a cartoon version of mitt romney that was an actual photograph taken. that's the image the white house wants out there. >> the white house loves what's happening. they want perry in this race badly to call hip mr. flipflop. >> this is all very good for
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obama at a time of tremendous opportunity, eugene robinson for the republican party. it almost seems unbelievable. >> it really is. i just don't think the cain train will get the party where it wants to go. but we're on it now. >> one thing about an emotional connection, those is obama -- right now you have the professor running against the corporate consultant, and it is extraordinary three years into the presidency how little an emotional connection the president has formed with the american people. >> it is remarkable. and you're the presidential historian. i've got to say, i can't think of parallels. jimmy carter really did connect during his election in the first couple of years. people thought he's one of us. the guy is wearing a sweater. he's walking down pennsylvania avenue. jimmy carter, everybody remembers the last two years, but carter had a real emotional
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connection with middle americans and you talked to him and i remember, they believed he's one of us. >> why not the best? >> why not. gerald ford, i remember my dad. this is a regular guy. like this guy. i remember the night he took over for nixon. my dad going, you know what? i can relate to this. i remember my dad relating to michael dukakis the guy that mowed his lawn. i told him if he voted for dukakis but would never see his grandchildren again. but some candidates connect with middle america. this president is not for a reason that has nothing to do with race, has nothing to do with his education, i think it has to do with his personality. he's cool and detached. >> yes. i think comes out of his childhood and the way he was raised and it comes out of the emotional armor he had to build to survive a really tough upbringing. >> you talk to white house insiders, that work with him,
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they will tell you he's still uncomfortable in small meeting groups. he doesn't like to meet with one or two or three people in the white house. >> with 14 people he just wasn't -- didn't connect we were very surprised. we liked him. >> that was here. >> that might have been you, donny. i don't know. i've seen him in small settings where he was comfortable. >> i guess me having my shirt off at the dinner table. >> like we had the woman here for the "atlantic." women weren't getting married any more. when she walked off donny said i don't think she likes men. i said no, she doesn't like you. big difference. >> that's a nice pink tie. >> bubble gum. >> two pulitzer prize winners here and i would like one of them help defend myself. gene, help me.
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we go back a long way. >> i was there that morning and do i have a specific recollection of your saying that? actually i kind of do. but you didn't mean it. >> eugene -- >> you said it with irony. >> eugene stay with us. coming up next david gregory and in a few minutes we'll talk to "mad money's" jim cramer about the big rally at the stock market. first we go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we haven't had a snowstorm in october like this one that's predicted. maybe it will bust and be all rain. right now it looks like cold enough for snow. the area highlighted in purple, those are winter storm watches. we'll be expecting snow. enough to shovel. enough to bring down tree limbs. this is the snowfall projection. once you get away from the coast that's when we'll get most of the snow. big cities like new york, philly
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and boston just slushy snow for you. our future cast shows today is fine. blue is the snow. that moves in as we go throughout the day on saturday and then new england on saturday night. time it up for your weekend plans. sunday looks good for everyone. halloween looks good too. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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i do think it's time for everybody to get serious about this. when i see news reports of some of what was put on the table, democrats wanting $1.3 trillion worth of tax increases, this is the same number that was in the president's budget. the same number that, i don't know that they found any democrats in the house or senate to vote for. so, and i don't think it's a reasonable number. all right.
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22 the hour. welcome back to "morning joe". live look at capitol hill and joining us now from washington, the moderator of "meet the press", david gregory. so, david, the big we is can the super committee get a deal done and will that deal have gives on both sides that are significant? >> i don't know that there are going to be gives like we might being expecting or go back to the debt ceiling debate that will be tax increases and spending cuts over here. in just don't think republicans will go there. that's what we've learned from the debt ceiling debate. i think it's what we've learned since 2010 if not before. there are no republicans in the house at least who are going to vote for an increase in marginal tax rates. the action has to be around tax reform. that's one of the reasons why there's so much talk about it in the presidential race right now, that there's some agreement even within the white house, and among democrats on capitol hill to bring down corporate tax rates in exchange foreclosing
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loopholes. i may think that's the big thing that they think they can get done. >> john meacham. >> david, spell out the next two months heading into iowa for the president and washington itself. what's on the docket that we'll be dealing with as we head into the first republican voting. >> well, i think the big question about whether washington is shut down does center on the super committee. the jobs bill is not going anywhere. the president effectively has taken to the country to campaign against congress on that. i think if the president were really leveling with the american people he would say look there's not a whole lot more we can do on the economy right now. we'll tackle some things, tax reform. get involved with the super committee to the point he's willing to take the risk there. start campaigning and beat republicans and cast this debate as a choice. i think that's where, i think that's where the action s-is primarily going to be is around
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tax reform and moving on to the other debates. >> going to be interesting. donny, what is the president need to do to shape his message moving forward? >> his message has to be two fold. number one, one way, shape or form there's no alternative. in other words, basically let's say it end up being romney that just, this is a flipfloper, this is a flop flopper, and look at the positives that are starting to happen in the economy. let's stay the course. it's scarier to make move than to joint. >> david, it's willy. let me ask you a fundamental question we've been talking about a lot. the argument from the white house and from many on the left is that the president can't get anything done because he has a party of no working against him. is that a fair characterization based on the evidence we've seen over the last 2 1/2, three years now of the way republicans handle themselves. are they out the see the president fail or standing up for their core beliefs?
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>> i think it's both. i think it depends how you want to cast it. liberals and defenders of the president will say this is the party of no. i think conservatives would say this is the party of we're going to stop him from doing more. stop him from hurting the economy further. i mean the president -- mitch mcconnell said something several weeks ago which resonated is that the president got everything he wanted and it didn't work. he got a big stimulus. he got health care reform. he got financial reform. the economy hasn't moved. now additional stimulus was needed back when they need the first stimulus. they argued it's needed now but congress has essentially shut down, they notified the debt debate and couldn't find any agreement there. so i think that's a real difficulty for him. there's something else and donny knows a lot, reading the steve jobs biography which is fascinating. when steve jobs comes back to apple after it had gone through such a horrible period the discussion was you got this great brand apple.
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how do you revitalize itself. the president is facing the same question as he goes out to campaign a second time. curiously the answer is as he said this week, we're going to have to grind it out. it's not going to be as sexy as it was before. the posters, the hope posters are frayed at the edges. this is somebody who has been battered by the washington process and is looking for a new argument. the argument may be you may not be happy with what's going on in your lives or the country but i still have a vision and what the republicans off certificate a step back ward. we saw this in 2004. george w. bush didn't have a lot going for him at the time, he was more popular but there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq when he campaigned in 2004. and he tore the bark off of his opponent in john kerry. >> it's interesting you said he should go back to his resurrection. i want to give at it little
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tweak. he needs a brand extension. one thing he needs to add to his sbrand brand a little testosterone, a little fight. people want to see teeth. >> hasn't he been doing that in the past month. >> putting some teeth, putting some fight. he still does not have -- >> what do you want him to do? spit when he talks? >> when the vice president did that everybody here -- >> this is the beginning -- >> everybody here had a problem with that. >> this is the one thing he hasn't had in his dna. that's what i would add. >> david, the republicans this week are accusing him of stoking class warfare. when you're president of the united states, you've got to walk a very fine line. i would say my opinion is, david, this president has been very focused going out on the campaign trail, campaigning for re-election, attacking republicans and it seems to be
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working. to discussion on jobs. >> he is focusing on jobs. the elements of his jobs plan are popular and it may go to the idea that he's got more of a vision for future. let's also pay attention to the fact where he's going and who he's trying to target. we tend to look at these as 50 state map. that's not the case. he's going a little bit closer here. look, i think part of the problem of what donny is talking about, when you constantly rail on the outside against washington, it also underlines the fact -- first of all he is washington. he's the president of the united states. so he can rail against congress but he suffered as well through the debt default because he wasn't able to overcome what washington is and of course that was the big promise of his campaign was to be able to overcome that. so at a certain point some of that criticism can come down against him as well. >> david, before we go, who do you have on "meet the press" this sunday? >> we'll be talking about the republican horse race as well as the look inside the white house.
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david plouffe will join me. we have tom brokaw, walter isakson, mike murphy and jennifer granholm for the roundtable. >> you gene robinson thank you as well. when we come back, jim cramer joins the table. >> love jim cramer. >> how can you not love him? the employee of the month is...
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♪ this week "nbc nightly news" with brian williams unveiled a new set. i was expecting some glitzy. clearly the economy is tough all over. >> that's our monday night broadcast as we start a new week and a new home. thank you for being here with us. i'm brian williams. we hope to see you right back here tomorrow evening. good night. [ laughter ] >> wow.
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austerity. check the bottom line but my lord. >> joining us now we have the host of cnbc's "mad money", jim cramer. we should start with the big rally we saw. >> can we talk about this first. >> no. they don't work. they just don't work. >> is there anything more we need to say about that. >> about that company and that product. this was a closed system, the correlated is going open. the last thing we all thought was great was their security. that was the end of that. this is a company that's literally gone away, nokia and motorola. motorola has made a come back. >> rimm going down? >> they are going down. they literally have let's see mo and larry and the next one will be curly. two ceos that don't know what they are doing. i think they are bringing in a new ceo. i don't think he knows what he's
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doing. >> what you're saying is you're undecided about their future? >> yeah. undecided as i wait for my apple iphone 4s because i'm on waiting list. i'm on a waiting list. can you imagine? they told me. literally. why don't you get another phone while we get that other phone in for you. what does that tell you about apple? >> this voice activation thing. >> insane. >> play some cold train. >> it's the sign of the apocalypse. tri lateral commission is behind this. >> queen of england too is involved. >> i'm sure she is. >> a friend of mine goes siri i think you're beautiful. and the response was i'll take that as a compliment. >> compared to the woman in the trunk. the woman in the trunk sends the wrong ways. >> what your talking about? >> your gps in the car. >> what your talking about. >> come on.
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she doesn't know jack. >> the woman in the trunk. >> the woman in the trunk. >> when you talk to the gps. >> she's a dope. >> it's a little woman in the trunk. where is she talking from? >> last time he's on he's talking about how he's not paying for fire alarms snipe said i skipped. fire safety nap. >> how about the market recovery. let's talk about that. >> i'm trying. i gave up two minutes ago. >> the dynamics of money management, so end mom managers, hedge funds in particular, these guys have to come one and perform. donny knows the hedge fund world. they have to compete. they are behind their benchmark so they have to buy. >> speaking of hedge funds,
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working towards december a lot of these guys will have big redemptions because hedge funds have not performed well so what does that do to the market? >> they will try their best to be able to get that performance but if they don't they are in a lot -- the redemptions means recovery. they have to take off their positions. so actually it's not a bad thing. >> what scares me, 20% move in three weeks. >> don't chase. if you haven't bought yet, you know, come on. greatest october now you want to come in? you can wait. there will be a pull back. you think this european thing is a done deal? one day we'll wake up and merkel will say something sarkozy. we'll have a super committee and that will be frustrating. you will get a chance to buy. don't use this moment. >> we've been talking about taxes and other ways to either get the economy going again or what might drag it down. what about consumer spending? where does that stand? >> no one wants to hear this. there's an underground economy
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in our country not unlike greece. the reason that is because we have millions of people who haven't paid their mortgage for 500 or 700 days. you don't pay your mortgage you have extra income. we have a lot of people working off the books in the country for the first time. this is a new economy that people don't realize. i got to tell you that's why spend is strong even though credit card debt has not gone up. >> what does that mean? >> people are taking any job they can. >> paying under the table. >> yeah. taking any job they can. sign of the times. >> jim, the thing that i have always believed is that what we went through in '08 there's emotional scar that will not heal for a generation, we'll see these wounds but we all saw the apocalypse was possible. >> yes. >> are you still feeling that both -- >> no because we wiped out. look are there institutions that are too big to fail. we had the shotgun institutions
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to save. at the same time we got rid of a lot of companies. mf global that john corzine runs is rumored to be in a lot of trouble. the lyon's share of the real weak hands were flushed out and look. i wish president obama would say i got a great treasury secretary and he was so far ahead of the world. tim geithner did a lot to make our institutions stronger. why doesn't he get the credit? he's one of the greatest treasury secretaries we had. look at europe. they didn't do what geithner did. he's a tough guy, by the way. >> let me ask you about some earnings reports. geithner gets a bad rap because it's in the movie, he's associated. he's one of those guys. >> in real life he's so down to earth cool. >> earnings reports going in
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different directions. exxonmobil profits rose 41%. why? >> well because in the end they got about $2 or $3 oil. that's the cost of their oil because they have been around forever and they are selling it with brent which is at 110. everybody uses the european benchmark. >> high prices are helping them. >> because they are old. >> refinery, turning a better profit. >> you're making a fortune in refinery. our government has a nifty investigation they won't do. >> going up chrysler. >> that's one of the big surprise stories. >> $212 million. >> starts with a commercial that said detroit is back. >> great commercial. >> best ever. >> i want to raise my -- >> no. >> true story. several years ago the deutsche agency presented a campaign to pontiac born in detroit the
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exact eminen music. >> i will say that was, it's amazing the next day you always hear about super bowl ads, everybody was talking about the eminen ads. who can't cheer for detroit. come back detroit. you want them to kick ass. great commercial. chrysler is moving forward. that's a great news. ford doing well. gm. we're starting to turn it around. >> buy gm stock. cheap. >> also proctor and gamble. >> disappointing. >> why? >> raw costs. take a look at a bottle of head and shoulders shampoo. costs are going down. proctor and gamble, this guy is so conservative.
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he has a gloomy outlook on life. >> ibm. >> dynamite. >> this massive corp ration that recreates itself. >> best stock in the dow. she understands the cloud. most forward thinking and marketing sales person in the world today. >> "mad money's" jim cramer. thank you so much. >> who wins tonight, cardinals or rangers? >> cardinals are the hottest team ever seen. >> we'll talk to barbara lee about occupy oakland the protests in her district. we'll be right back.
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46 the hour. "the washington post" is reporting that the united states military has a secret drone base in ethiopia. according to the post the u.s. air force is operating drone missions from a civilian airport in the southern part of the country. the air force. confirmed that it invested millions of dollars to upgrade the airfield and it built a small annex and has a fleet of drones with missiles and bombing capabilities. drones are targeting an al qaeda militant group in neighboring somalia. the news comes one month after reports surfaced that the obama administration was building secret bases in the arabian peninsula and africa. >> it's a new world. >> yes it is. >> we drop bombs on countries that we aren't at wore with stunning regularity. >> incredible hawkish barack obama. great warrior on terror. >> we'll be right back with the
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>> think you're trying to dump your losers on me. >> this is not a high profile, cameras flashing, get your face on the tv. >> then you don't want it apparently. >> it comes to you in the spirit of cooperation and asks for a little -- >> that's what take this case off my plate means. i didn't realize. >> that is our model, that is what we have sworn to be. that is disgusting display of kootie spray has no lace on my squad. >> that is a clip from "prime suspect." joining us, the star of the show, maria bello. >> i hadn't seen that clip and that episode. >> we were talking about these crime dramas and they're so heavy and it's david cassidy taking off the sunglasses and turning the camera and saying this character, this crime drama has a sense of humor. >> it sure does. it's different from any
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procedural show that you've ever seen, and i would never do a straight procedural show and i'm very uninterested in it because of that, but the whole alexander cunningham is an incredible writer and each character has a great sense of humor and their own wit and he's incredibly sarre castic and it works for the show in general. >> i always wonder if there's more room for the show. there are so many csis did you think that you can find a different niche for the show? >> i don't see a woman on american television, who is incredibly complex. she's not trying to be likable. she's just self-possessed and cranky and i think that people really like her. >> it's a reflection that we're seeing in the workplace. we have new college graduates and the ceo of ibm, whether it's going close and some of the
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characters on cable, the powerful woman on tv with some jagged edges is now very, very appealing. i think you brought that to a new level. >> thank you. thank you for saying that. i work on that. i don't know any women that aren't jagged and complex. we forget to put them on television. >> we have a woman here who is on tv who -- >> i was talking about -- >> she was -- >> she was the culmination of a major -- >> are you done kissing up? so, anyway, mika, in fact, when you give speeches you always tell women don't worry about being liked in the workforce. >> it gets in the way of the goal that concern and worrying about whether everyone in the room likes us and you talk about the jagged edges of your character, does it work for her and when does it not work for
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her? what are you finding? >> it i think it works for jane that she is great at what she does and because of that she will stop at nothing to get it done. whether that means that she comes off a bit bitchy. i can --? you just did. >> that works. >> but it's all about doing the job and she can't worry about if anyone likes her. >> there's so much vulnerability when you go home at night and she crawls into bed with her boyfriend going oh, my god nobody likes me, but in the morning i have a dice solve. >> i always curl up in a fetal position and say oh, my gosh, nobody likes me. if you read a column he talks about how it's tougher for women to be in the workforce. i remember watching my mom in business. she had completely deboned men and i thought there was the toughest woman i met in my life and she would go behind closed
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doors and tear up. women have so many complex challenges. >> especially in the workplace, i want to say. >> especially. >> a lot of men have said there's not that sexism these days. every woman i talk to is, like, really? in every facet, in every business, every woman that i talk to. you go into a meeting and you're the head share and you have a number of colleagues with you and they're looking at the guys all of the time. >> no. how about if the guy has an idea that the woman mentioned about ten minutes ago and everyone thinks the guy had a great idea. >> it is unbelievable. >> they're convinced it's their idea. >> any man -- >> and we're not male bashing here. >> anybody that thinks there's not sexism in the workplace has not worked with donny deutch. >> you've obviously been
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interested in women's issues for a long time on a global stage. tell us where you've been. >> it's an organization i founded in haiti to help women throughout haiti to focus their political and economic developments. i work with women politicians in haiti. we have a clinic in the western hemisphere. the co-founder is running for the mayor. she's a bit of a bad ass and she'll be in l.a. singing. >> how can people find out about it or help. >> go to our website. see what you can do. >> you were honored in 2009 for what you did in darfur. this has been an ongoing -- >> i think from my mother, i suppose. i'm excited where haiti is going right now and to be a part of president's advisory, to be able to have a hand and showing what an amazing country it is and be
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the rangers are a strike away from winning it in both the ninth and tenth inning. two strikes on three. two strikes on it. to center. we will see you tomorrow night! >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. you can take a live look at new york city. one of the most incredible things. we just take this off. >> back with us on set, john meechum and donny deutch. >> he'll take his shirt off. >> this game is 10 1/2 games off in august and had the greatest september comeback of all time behind the rays. they were the only team to ever be one strike away from being eliminated in the eighth inning,
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and i understand they clawed their way back twice after the eighth ining. >> they did. they came back in the ninth and they did it again in the 11th inning to win the game. i have to confess this game was great. when it went 7-4 rangers and a man's got to get up at 4:30. >> no. no. no. >> you wake up to the e-mails and the tweets and you can't believe your eyes that they won. >> i almost had an emotional breakdown, i'm sure. i counted 73 e-mails. >> i had the e-mail from someone h.w. bush's staff that i almost had a heart attack. >> yesterday, willy geist and i, you know what we do.
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>> we work so hard, you what we do. everything stop, and when i say everything stops i mean everything stops. the world stops. it's like they have a thousand things to begin with and we both turn and we both sit down, light one up, smoke and watch regis and yesterday we just did something that willie and i -- what did we say at the same time? donnie, re-enact this, please. this is art in the making. this is happening. >> look at how slow, too. >> in a good way. >> so he was challenged -- snooki is the guest there. when snooki is there he tends to do straight things and he was challenged to get it off. she wanted to check out regis and regis said let me show yah
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what i've got. she's holding his tie and as donnie pointsed out a few minutes ago. >> seriously, go regis, the difference between regis and donnie deutch on tv is what? >> he doesn't have to be coaxed. >> the story about the debt ceiling -- >> being a promotions guy i'll leave it as a tease. i don't think i want to do it right now because the viewers come and they go. they go. i'm not sure if i'm going to do it or not, but let's show what the show builds in anticipation. >> little by little. maybe loosen the tie to start. >> that's a dvd. we'll get the music there. >> john meechum, the economy yesterday. i don't think -- i remember when i brought home a 79 in chemistry and my parents were excited.
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it showed me how badly i had done in science before then. i really did -- i get so excited because you know how many people are suffering in america right now? i got so excited to know upon that the economy grew at 2.5% for the quarter. that will probably be adjusted down. it always is, but, man, that is good news when you put everything in perspective. >> totally. in the land of the blind, statistics of glaucoma are arcane. >> that's what homer said. >> yes. i think the market reaction which is terrific and great goes to the point you've made a lot publicly and privately which is that the elite are doing better than a lot of working folks, and so the jobs numbers continue to be the most important long-term indicator of whether there's sustainable growth and we'll see what the markets do today, but anything that begins to show
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some signs of life is good news. >> and we had the shadow chancellor on yesterday, donnie and he told us britain's growth has flat lined. >> you look across -- everybody always looks at things negatively. i was thinking yesterday after these numbers came out, that the rest of the world is in such bad shape if we just got our act together. china's facing the problem. europe's in trouble, if we just got our act together, the united states could lead. we could, the good news, bad news, if we got the act together and the rest of the world is falling apart, i think the numbers show it's very interesting for the election. we'll have a recovery, but i think we'll still have a jobless recovery. i think it's a new world right now and we have to separate jobs and the economy and that's an unfortunate thing for the haves and the have notes. >> and the market in the economy. >> these are two different
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worlds right now and they'll continue to be so and what implications does that have for barack obama and you're running on the economy and it's going in the right direction. >> we've been saying around the table for the past week or so if europe collapses, if china hits a bubble, there's little that any president can do to stop those negative waves from crashing on to our shores and really hurting america. >> we are intertwined now. you have to take a good day when you can get it. that average is composed of our major companies, as you both pointed out there is some disconnect when we're seeing 25-year historic high months for the dow and yet the people aren't finding jobs at work. >> i'll tell you what's scary. three weeks the dow has gone up 20% which obviously can swing in the other direction and it's not like anything dramatic. obviously good news happens and we're in this dynamic situation.
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20%. >> i'll tell you what, i know nothing about stocks. i really don't. i've never played around in the stock market, but if you've gone 20% in the last couple of weeks, sell today, take your profits on friday and spend a little bit this week because we had some good economic data, but not enough to push it up 20%. >> what it means for main street anyway. let's get to washington where there really is a lot going on. the deadline to reach a deal, the deficit less than a month away and we're getting new deals from the republican members of the the super committee. their plan released a day after the democrats call for $2.2 trillion in total deficit reduction. 500 billion in medicare cuts. $185 billion in cuts to medicaid. it also includes tax reform and it was an a tachlt to broaden the tax base. they would generate as much as $200 billion in new revenue.
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it contains no tax increases. house speaker john boehner acknowledged the deep division from the committee but said the group must work to much more realistic solutions. >> i do think it's time that everyone get serious about this. when i see news reports of some of what was put on the table, democrats and $1.3 trillion worth of tax increases thshgs is the same number that was in the president's budget, the same number that i don't know that they found any democrats in the house and senate to vote for, and so, you know, i don't think it's a reasonable number. >> boehner's democratic counter part minority leader nancy pelosi says she is withhold anything comment on the proposal until a comprehensive package is unveiled that noted that entitlement cuts should not be the sole focus. >> if someone is asking about specific things until we see the whole package. it's not fair to say to a senior
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you're going to pay more for social security and we're not going to touch a hair on the head of the wealthiest people in our country. it's not fair to say to that senior, by the way, that increased premium that you are paying is now going to be considered revenue. it's now going to be considered revenue. so let's just see a package. let's not exclude anything. let's see how they come. everybody recognizes the balance that we need to have. >> so, donnie, you look at the numbers. you're a business guy. you've done a lot of big deals before. i'm actually heartened by where we are. here's the republican number. $300 billion in new revenue. no tax increases and they're closing loopholes, democrats at $1.2 trillion. there's a deal to be made. the deal that any deficit hog has to be concerned about is, when you look at the democratic
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plan, it's just smoke and mirrors and reducing the entitlements. you look at the republican plan, it's the $200 billion. are both sides going get serious about the things they hate the most? >> i think there's no choice. you kind of just sometimes read between the lines when you look at the faces and you can sense when there's an intract ability and you can see they're speaking their pieces. i get a sense it's not going to get past the deadline and somehow a deal will get made. >> both sides will get serious about the things they hate to do most. does that involve tax increases? but why not? why don't they do it? >> the republicans are talking about $200 billion from new revenue. >> yeah, but not from tax increases. >> they're closing loopholes. >> closing loopholes. >> warren buffett will still pay 18%. that's nonsense. you can raise that 35% rate back
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to 39.6%. >> but can we agree that that's not necessarily tax increases? that's more rectifying the situation? >> it will not rectify the situation. you can raise the top number as much as you want until you close the loopholes and you're not going make the system more fair. at the end of the day, john, it's about how much new revenue comes into the federal government and if we can strike a deal that's in between the 200 billion and 1.2 trillion by closing loopholes that's a win for everybody. >> i think so. it seems to me the problem that if you try to raise the marginal rates you will have commensurate new loopholes. it's not going blindly say we'll go back. >> that hits small businesses, the $250,000 and not the millionaires. >> if you can raise tax codes that's a good thing. i think the money still spends however you get it there. >> i also think congress.
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>> we have to focus on the other side, too, because at one point when he came on the show that people have to understand is the fact that every time you have this deal that says we'll have $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases. it happens every time. they always have the tax increases and congress never comes through with the spending cuts. when i say never i mean never. so i need, when the democrats say they're going to cut spending, you know what? chain them all, chain us all to that radiator and make sure that that binds us for the next five years. >> think congressional approval rating goes to 9%. i think congress has an organism, somehow has a sense that it's time to act differently, and i don't mean to be optimistic. they're scared and willie geist, in part they're scared when
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rattner came on, steve rattner had the biggest drop in consumer confidence since world war ii and number two was the blowing up of the debt ceiling bill. >> right. >> they understand that their malfeasance, their recklessness, their negligence caused economic pain for americans. they know that now. i don't think they'll do tax gen. >> think so, but are they really acting differently? >> this max bachus plan came out and said no. >> they're negotiating. >> they are, but they stood fast on this position that we will not move on tax increases. >> so they come out way plan to close loopholes. >> right. >> the rate is 200 billion. >> some have had different languages. >> it's a mars/venus thing. >> the money spins any way you get that money to washington.
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>> the interesting thing about tax, we were talking about the top tier is we know that two-thirds of americans want to tax millionaires more. what was stunning is that each more millionaires, 68% think they should be taxed more. both sides of the equation are in the same place. >> come on. >> and -- >> that's amazing. >> that's warren buffett. i want to send more taxes. >> we have an address. i think we can find one in washington. you have to have a solution or at least in the political process, since that get within hollering distance of the comprehensive solution. it requires find something way to encourage innovation, to get some growth, to get some jobs because we don't have people working this conversation is going to continue to be ever more divided from reality and the country will get ever more
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divided both politically and economically and it's not going to be good. >> want to go to jobs for a second because you spoke the word reality and i want to go back to this jobless recovery. regardless what anybody says, pure economics and pure capitalism, we will never be a great manufacturing economy, where do the jobs come from? energy. new technologies, and i want somebody to tell me, and i don't want to be the negative guy, where are the -- >> donny, they can come from energy. look at the pipeline from canada to the gulf of mexico. that's going to create new jobs. there are some jobs that can be created. >> some. >> that regulations get in the way of. some, but are we going to rebuild the economy by building oil pipelines?
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no. >> up next we'll talk to barbara lee about the violence that unfolded in her district in the occupy oakland protest. also this hour his career has taken him from white castle to the white house. we'll talk to tom penn about his time working in the obama administration. plus don't miss willie's week in review. >> that's the guy that's had it all. and what would the white house be without white cass snell. >> i love how we're talking about his weed-smoking movie. >> great. >> it makes sense, actually. >> choot nooga base. >> i love crystal. >> he's from chattanooga? >> wow! >> rc cola. >> bill carons is here. yesterday it was 40 degrees and he had his shirt off.
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>> you could see him from your window? >> yeah. >> interesting. >> i need full disclosure on this one, joe. i needed extra work. your wife call mead up and asked if i could clean the pool. it got hot and i took my shirt off. that's where the story is ending and i'm not going any further with that story. here's what we are dealing with. we have cold temperatures and chilly winds and for the most part we'll watch a snowstorm developing on saturday. from coastal maine to western new england to the spine of the appalachians. as far as the snowfall forecast goes, if you're from i-95 to the coast, maybe a slushy inch or two. that's about it, the roads should be okay, but it's interior new england that will have an issue. we still have leaves on the trees and they'll come out. poconos, berkshires, catskills. as far as what we'll deal with with the rest of today and tomorrow, no issues, that rain from the storm will hit us in
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saddened i am about the outcome on tuesday. it's not what anyone hoped for. i understand it's my responsibility, and i want to apologize to everyone about what happened. >> all right. that was oakland mayor jean quan who attempted to speak to the crowd outside of occupy oakland late last night. a lot going there. joining us there, we're lucky to have democratic congresswoman, former chairwoman of the congressional black caucus and co-chair of the caucus. how do we characterize what's going on in oakland. >> it is a movement and from day one i have fully supported the occupy movement. i think it's about time that people hit the streets and really raise the concerns of 99% of the american people. income inequality, the wealth gap, poverty rates are growing.
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young people don't have much hope in terms of getting into college and out of college without huge debt. there are so many issues. >> those realities are clear. we've been talking about them every day, but how do they connect with the state that's going on in washington and is the debate that's going on in washington whether it be the committee trying to get to a deal or between obama and the republicans? is it connecting with what these people are angry about? >> i hope it does connect and it should connect because the deficit committee and the budget debates that we're in, and i serve on the appropriations committee which in many ways is the epicenter of what is going to take place. this is what's driving these decisions. the policy priorities of our country, do we, for example, want to continue to invest in waging wars? do we want to invest in schools and education? these policy debates and budget cuts and are we going to affect
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the poor even more and allow the middle income to follow? >> want to go back to the unfortunate thing that happened in oakland. something i said that created a lot of stir. my tremendous concern is what i feel is inevitable and i make a reference to penn state which says we are a society of images and i'm afraid the thing that will take this movement to the next level is we're just waiting for violence where you have so much passion on both sides and instead of waiting for that moment, what we can do is inevitable and whether we see this in oakland and do we have to wait for someone to die and that's what scares me. that image, we stare at that kent state image. that sticks with us and that's what's frightening and why are we waiting for that to happen? >> i was terrified at watching what took place in oakland and expressed my outrage and real concern for what is taking place. the protesters are not causing this violence.
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these are people, protesters who have a right to petition their government. >> so what happened in oakland? the police say they were provoked. >> yes, joe, but i believe also when you look at what took place, the reaction was not appropriate to what was taking place. >> it was an overreaction. >> there was a couple on the other side. >> these are people, protesters and this is a non-violent movement. >> have you reached out to the chief of police in your hometown? >> i have talked to the mayor. >> you talked to the mayor. >> i talked to the mayor and i expressed my outrage and i was going to call for an independent investigation. >> what did the mayor tell you? >> i think you just saw her response. she, first of all, was quite upset, dismayed. naturally she supports non-violent protests. >> you're a supporter of hers. >> yes, i support the mayor, but let me say, in this instance this was an overreaction and she
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apologized but i'm saying to everyone that this protest movement, the occupy movement should be support happened. >> so who is the chief of police in oakland? the chief of police is chief jordan. we have gone through in the last month a transition between one police chief. >> is there a lack of discipline? >> we have to have an investigation. >> do you think -- there are problems -- there is a history of problems in oakland as it relates to police brutality. >> is there right now a discipline problem in the oakland police force? >> when you look at what's taken place over the last few years and very recently there's something wrong. >> there's a big problem. >> we are shining the light in the wrong place. >> get the oakland police is not right, it's not about the oakland police department. when you have this level of passion on both sides we don't have to just say oh, let's clean up the police department. we have to do something about this movement. >> the fact of the matter is --
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>> it's going to happen again. >> the fact of the matter is new york faced a similar confrontation a week ago and you had police officials and you had the mayor say okay, you what? we're not going to clear out the park now. they've had an open line of communication there. listen, leadership, this is where you find out who the good leader is, who a good police chief is and a good mayor is, and the fact is new york was confronted with challenges and they handled it well. in oakland there has been a history of these problems. >> it's been a total history of these problems and this was handled horribly and these protesters were peaceful. they're going to stay there. this is a live look, by the way, of protesters getting ready for another day in new york city. are we clear, though, this things were being thrown, and i just would like to provide balance in light of the fact that we need to have an investigation before we know
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what really happened there. >> the protesters were throwing objects at police. >> those were the allegations and even if they were, the response was excessive and that's why i think we need not only an internal investigation, but we need an outside investigation, and i'm going to call for one. i've talked to the mayor and i've told the mayor. foo i don't want to get redundant. >> okay. >> let me get extra redundant then. the problem is thnt incident. we're not dealing with the issue behind the incident and we're going wait for another incident that could be much more tragic. >> they're not. >> and we're waiting before we act for the next step. >> the comment from this point. it is largely a non-violent movement. do you have confidence in the leadership of the occupy
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movement. >> the occupy movement is taking off. i don't believe right now it needs leadership. as a member of the progressive caucus we met with some of the occupy washington movement and several of us went down to do things that they asked us to do and i am pleased that it does not have the type of agenda that we're so accustomed of because this is a movement that is speaking to the inequality in our country which needs to be addressed quickly because this is systemic and as the deficit committee continues to do its work, these are the issues that the deficit committee needs to address in terms of inequality and in terms of the 1%, and in terms of the gouging of the consumer in terms of the financial industries and so the deficit committee needs to listen very clearly to what they're saying. >> i would agree, and i would just say that this movement is tapping into the desperation and
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hopelessness in this country and that could be an incredibly dangerous thing. >> before we leave, could we have donny say the same thing again? >> okay. >> go ahead, donny. >> you what? i don't like you today. i just don't like you today. >> as long as the congresswoman likes me, i'm good. >> we're tired of the status quo and that's what we're seeing. they're sick and sdpierd we've got to change it. >> congresswoman, you liked me. she really, really liked me. [ indiscernible ] >> congresswoman, thank you so much. for fastidious librarian emily skinner,
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>> donny and joe. coming up on monday, members of the so-called gang of six. we'll talk to democratic senator mark warner and republican senator saxby chambliss. >> they'll be fine. okay. when we come back he went from working in the white house, kal penn joins us next on "morning joe." congratulations.
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>> high drama. and the scene from the new film "a very harold and kumar 3d christmas." harold and kumar go to important white castle. that is how it all began. we've outfitted the set with them. >> mika is breaking out in hives right now. >> it is -- this is for real? the size of this drink? >> there's water in there. >> joining me now, the guy that plays kumar. the associate director of the white house, office of public liaison. good to see you.
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>> good to see you guys. >> you didn't bring the food. >> they told me in the dressing room, by the way, p.s., there will be some white castle on the set. >> one to two bites, it gets down quickly and you wash it down. >> it's convenient and easy and you carry it around in your suit pocket. >> there's no nutritional value to anything here. >> it smells so good. >> so true. >> you can put this in one pocket and -- i mean. this meeting is running a little long. >> hey, you know what? -- you should do this. >> this is so important, we're not going to break for lunch. i reach in my pocket and -- boom. >> it's pretty great. >> get off the burgers. >> kal, let's start with the
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obvious question. why do i need to see this in 3d? >> it is not a big budget action movie. >> what people like about this franchise is the karics are likable. it's a wholly inappropriate, very raucous comedy with a lot of heart. we went for a christmas story, somebody's bathing suit area gets -- >> things that you don't expect to -- that you wouldn't like to see in 3d. >> they start as a cult hit and they sort of blow up at the box office. what is it about these films? >> when we shot the first one it tanked at the bock office and the fans found it on dvd which surprised us. the way it was written and the characters have a whole lot of heart. you can only get away with being so filthy. they're super fun to play.
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>> let's talk about your decision, and i remember reading it and i absolutely love what you did. you were very successful, but you quit what you were doing to go work for the white house, and you said before that a lot of your friends were, come on, this is a joke, right? but what a great decision. talk about that time. >> sure. yeah. it was very humbling. i started volunteering for the president in 2007 in iowa, and there was a writer's strike at the time and we weren't working and went out to knock on doors can join his policy committee and do outreach. in that segway, i had an opportunity to serve at the white house and i thought you can't turn down a chance to serve your country. i took a sabbatical and took a job there at the office. >> what was the most inspiring thing over the two years? >> it was probably the opportunity to kind of see, especially young people under 40 to see what the president was doing a lot of it is stuff that's ever going to make the
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news, it's reform or don't ask, don't tell repeal or the under division reform and a lot of the youth entrepreneurship initiatives that he had. that's the kind of stuff where you meet with nonpartisan groups of young people and they come in and tell you what you need and you have an opportunity to serve them along with the president. >> most come with you and ask you what they need? you what they tell you? >> a handful of white castle. >> no! >> do you think that there's more engagement among young folks than you expected? did you find people were more engaged, less engaged, how would you assess right now where the under 30 crowd is in terms of politics. >> i think it depends on the issue. what i thought was fascinating, if you're under 30, a lot of young folks don't attach themselves to the political party. there's a huge 15-year youth movement and now there's sudan
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and people focus their efforts on that. if you're over 40 you view it as a lgbt issue, and it will continue to give them a lot of hope, and you know, that was just really inspiring to see. >> and you worked with valerie. >> i did. >> she's amazing. >> i love her, too. >> and so you left the white house to do "a very harold and kumar christmas". >> i thought how can i counteract this. >> in the end. >> i was actually having a white castle with the dalai lama. >> that is not true! >> and i am really -- >> and waving the right castle. >> yes, sir. >> so you're in line. >> yeah. >> the the big guy from the white house to playing beer pong
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in 3d. >> love that. >> i'm more an american guy. >> i think it's more an american journey. >> why? >> i feel so blessed. >> that's true. my parents were immigrants and i don't think -- we'll move to america. >> let me tell you something, anything's possible. >> thank you. >> kal, thank you so much. >> just go with it. >> the movie is "a very harold and kumar 3d christmas" that hits theaters november 7th. up next, the week in review. ♪ ♪ we are building a website by ourselves.
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the breakfast with champions and you'll watch the top threers to of the week. >> it's fun to poke him a little bit can say let's see your grades and birth certificate. >> at number three, the return of the birther. >> i think it's a good issue to keep alive. >> rick perry inspired by a dinner with donald trump. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. if he has a birth certificate, he should release it.
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>> you believe he wasn't born in america? >> i say he might have been. >> gave the country nostalgia when he dipped his toe ever so into the birther waters. >> i don't think i would expect him. i was having fun with donald trump. perhaps governor perry should turn instead to another political opponent, the one that was talking real funny this week. >>. >> at number two, shuttle. vladimir putin, the russian prime minister who has impressed and delighted the world over the years with his staged cuba diving, topless horseback riding, rugged tiger tracking and black belt martial artists, when he summoned state cameras to capture him and the russian
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president playing the backyard barbecue sport of badminton. with that little display of racket sporting, putin might as well have been bowling with our president. or worse, having a catch with him. and the number one story of the week -- ♪ ♪ in a week when the national polls just kept singing his song, herman cain put up an ad in which his steve staffmark block rips, digs and blew smoke at the american electorate. >> i'm not the only one that smokes in america, for god's sake. that's what it was all about. let mark be mark. mark happens to be a smoker.
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