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re-elected. if he looks like he can't, he won't and the country will put a reliever like romney in there. it's not about the challenger or the matchup. it's about the incumbent. that is "hardball" thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. clint eastwood stars in the best role yet, voice for the american worker. conservatives tried to kill the automobile industry, dying ain't much of a living, boy. this is "the ed show" let's get to work. showing us it can be done. what is true about them is true about us. >> it's halftime america. >> american icon telling an american success story, conservatives aren't having it. >> i was offended. >> reaction to the halftime in america ad. with the united auto workers president, bob king and michigan congressman gary peters.
>> i deserve a second term but we're not done. >> new poll numbers show the american people agree with that statement. e.j. dionne and joan walsh. racism rears its head in a republican super bowl ad. the candidate behind the ad isn't backing down. >> the economy get very weak. ours get very good. we take your jobs, thank you debbie spend it now. good to have you with us. thanks for watching, we come to you from minnesota where the caucus is tomorrow, this is the big story tonight. it basically is the ad the entire country is talking about, for a good reason. the chrysler commercial with clint eastwood i think speaks for itself. >> it's halftime. both teams are in their locker
room discussing what they can do to win the game in the second half. it's halftime in america, too. people are out of work and they are hurting, and all wondering what they will do to make a comeback. we're all scared because this isn't the game. >> the first 30 seconds of that ad so powerful, i mean did you notice it was shock on film for effect? the voice, clint eastwood, mr. true grit, tough guy, dirt ysh harry, in the city talking about detroit and the way american can come back. it captivated the audience i was with yesterday. it is a tribute to the american worker and a success story. yeah, it's a locker room pep talk, which is cool, but also recognized the people in the country who are are going through a lot of hurt right now. >> people of detroit know a little something about this. they almost lost everything.
but we all pulled together, now motor city is fighting again. >> we all pulled together, the rebirth of the american automobile industry, certainly a story worth celebrating. but let's not get carried away with saying we all came together. this was an extremely heavy lift for some in washington. a majority of the american people opposed giving loans to chrysler and general motors. top republican officials were against the loans, including the current front-runner for the republican nomination. >> no question but that if you just write a check that you will see the companies go out of business ultimate lichlt don't just give them a check, and expect them to spend it the way they have been spending the last few years. >> the american taxpayers saw it differently. loaning the automobile industry money was unpopular. a lot of americans didn't want it. majority didn't want it but the right thing to do, the moral thing to do. the capital markets, they were not in a position to rescue the automobile industry with any loan or capital.
wall street was in a meltdown, what did president obama do? he threw the hail mary pass and ended up on super bowl sunday. his administration turned to an advisor ron bloom, who had been down the road before about reorganizing and turned to him and said i good plan we can turn it around. the auto loans saved, saved more than a million jobs in 2010 and prevented nearly 97 billion dollars in personal income losses. the weak economy would have been further damaged by the losssif we had not have done this. this commercial, my friends, was the right message, it was at the right time, it was perfect for america, and i bet it caught the attention of everybody in every living room in the country. the super bowl was the best possible place for it. wait a minute, karl rove i don't know at the like the outcome, he and his friends did not like it a bit. because it turned into a political football. >> i was frankly offended by it.
i'm a huge fan of clint eastwood, extremely well-done ad, a sign of what happens when you have chicago-style politics and the best wishes of the management which is benefited by getting a bunch of our money they will never pay back. >> a bunch of middle classers in that ad, the firefighters in there, the school teachers, those are the kind of folks the conservatives don't care about. chrysler has already paid back the loan and general motors is on schedule. if karl rove wants to be offended let him be offended. rove is offended by a great american success story? clint eastwood is right, this is not a game it's serious business to a lot of americans turning it around. the ceo of chrysler couldn't be more clear about the intention of the ad. he said the message is sufficiently universal and neutral. that it should be appealing to
everybody in this country and i sincerely hope that it doesn't get utilized as a political fodder in a debate. you know what, it is, that is the way it is. conservatives believe the auto loan was the wrong thing to do. they are on the wrong side of history. and their only hope politicize like the talk last friday when the job numbers came out. but the message of this ad is just too strong. >> come from behind, how do we come together, and how do we win? detroit is showing us it can be done. and what is true about them is true about all of us. this country can't be knocked out in one punch, we get back up again and when we do the world will hear the roar of our engines. yeah, it's halftime, america. our second half's about to begin. >> yeah, the big question is how do we come together?
this ad was about the the strength of the of american spirit. but it also a love letter to the people who stood behind american workers to make this rescue possible. the american taxpayer. was the people that made this possible. the questions that were in that commercial are so profound, where do we go from here, how do we come together, isn't that what we're asking washington? so what if there is a pliical under-tone to the ad? it cuts right to every kitchen table in the country that was affected by what taxpayers did to help an industry turn around. the capital markets couldn't do it, there was nobody stepping up to write a check to do it, there were republicans out there who were saying that this is a deadend, this is the wrong road to follow. richard shelby of alabama, i have the tape, you shouldn't have said that you were wrong. so where do we go from here? we'll le just use this as a template if we believe in american workers, if we believe in hollywood, like clint
eastwood believes in the american worker, eastwood's comment together, he's not in the obama crowd, you don't have to be in the obama crowd to be for the american worker. you don't have to be in the republican crowd or the democratic crowd to be for the american worker. plays to our best instincts as americans to give somebody a life line to do better as a worker and compete and that what is story is all about. it was great stuff. get your cell phones out i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will voters hold republicans accountable for trying to kill the american auto industry? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you results later. i'm joined by bob king, the president of the united auto workers and also congressman gary peters of michigan where chrysler is in his district. gentlemen, great to have you both with us tonight i know you have been on the ground floor
with this story all along. bob, i got to ask you when you saw the ad, what were your emotions? >> i felt great, fantastic ad. >> go ahead. >> it really honored our membership. it made a lot of sacrifices we worked with management, a great example of management, labor, community and government working together. >> here's clint eastwood's statement about the ad, i'm not politically affiliated with mr. obama, it was meant to be a message about job growth and the spirit of america. i think all politicians will agree with it. congressman i'm not sure about. that i respect clint eastwood, i remember the days there was people saying this wasn't going to work. what is it about conservatives and karl rove's message, what is your response to that? >> any response is that the ad is very simple, it just is a factual ad about what actually happens in detroit and with the
auto manufacturers that the investment in american workers has been successful, it's a great turn around, mr. rove apparently just doesn't like facts, he's not a guy that ever lets facts get in the way of hits opinion and we're seeing that his opinion is trumping the facts of the situation. president obama made an unpopular decision around the country but was right for american workers not just in michigan but across the country. >> congressman, do you think it was the right thing to take that ad out and do that by chrysler, do you think it was the right thing to do? >> it is absolutely the right thing to do. the american public needs to understand that when you bet on american worker you will win every time. we had a situation as you mentioned at the top of the program because of the greed on wall street that brought our economy to its knees we had a situation we almost lost make or manufacturing industry in our country, had we lost the auto industry, would have lost middle class americans, would have
found their livelihood in danger. that is what the american auto industry is, a manufacturer, we need to stand up for manufacturing and make sure middle class families have the opportunity to earn a decent livelihood. >> bob king the united auto workers took a haircut. you caved in on things you had to help out, and now there is employees getting bonuses. take us down that road, how tough was that to do? >> it was a huge sacrifice for our membership, but they wanted to support the company, they wanted to save jobs in america, in this last set of bargaining, they put the priority on more investment, more product to get neighbors hired, couldn't be prouder of our membership, they are making the highest quality and most productive plants. it was a huge victory and again, president obama gary is right, without his leadership it would
not have happened. >> i went to my phone after the commercial was anxious to see how the twitter world would respond. it was overwhelmingly positive, fun to read just to see how people were responding to this. congressman, karl rove says the taxpayers are still on the hook for the auto loan. take us down that road. >> well, he's wrong once again, not going to let facts get in the way of his opinion. there is still a ways to go but the chrysler loans are being paid back with interest, certainly all the loans that were made by president obama have been paid back with interest. money from the general motors investment is also being paid back, shares have been sold to the public, there is still some government money involved but now with the success of general motors, which as you reported on your program has been very successful, in fact they are looking at perhaps a multi billion dollar profit at general motors, that is a big turn around from where they were and as a result of that, the remaining investment the taxpayerers have in general motors will be paid back,
hopefully most of it but whatever is not paid back, it won't be that much, you have to put that in comparison as to what would have happened if you let the companies disappear. as you mentioned, a million jobs are impacted. folks who have jobs now, work hog are paying taxes, who are able to provide for their families and pursue that american dream, that would have washed away if it wasn't for the investment in american manufacturing. the cost would have been catastrophic to think we would allow a major manufacturing sector in our economy to disappear, to me is completely irresponsible from any elected official. we have obligations to the people back home, hard working people playing by the rules each day, all they want is a decent shot at a decent wage, decent health care and an opportunity to retire with dignity. that what is manufacturing jobs do and that is what the investment returned to us. >> gary peters, bob king, great to have you with us tonight, appreciate your time on the story. answer the question and share
thoughts on twitter @edshow. >> mitt romney says president obama is in over his head, the president is smoking romney with american voters in the polls. e.j. dionne and john walsh will talk about minnesota. republicans sabotaged an faa bill with an anti-union rules and democrats in the senate let them get away with it. you won't want to miss this story, affects a lot of of workers in this country. we're right back. was thought up and built and run to save people money? what if that company was born online, with tools and apps to make people feel like geniuses? and what if that company was now backed by the stability and reliability of allstate? well, what if that company was esurance and this wasn't just a bunch of hypothetical questions? could be cool-ish. esurance. insurance for the modern world. click or call. you walk into a conventional mattress
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coming up is it halftime for the obama presidency? the latest polls put him ahead of romney. all the details with joan walsh and e.j. dionne next. tom brady's super model wife's prayers, they went unanswered as the patriots fell to the giants. and we'll show you who she is blaming for the team's loss. and congressman pete hoekstra is out in defense of his ad that many say is racist and i think it. we'll show you the ad and talk with michael eric dyson later in
i deserve a second term but we're not done. when we sat down we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. now we're creating 250,000. we create 3.7 million jobs over the last 23 months. created the most jobs since 2005. the most manufacturing jobs since 1990. but we're not finished. the key is to make sure we don't start turning in a new direction that could throw that progress off. >> president obama made his best case for second term during an interview with matt lauer yesterday.
americans are agreeing. the latest poll shows president obama leading mitt romney by 6 points. president was down by 2 last month. the biggest swing is among independents. today president obama leads romney, 47-46, three weeks ago the mittster was ahead by 12 points. one reason for the shift, people are get doing know mitt romney better. the more they see, the more they don't like him. 52% of the people say the more they hear about mitt romney, the less they like him. and romney is failing in his attempt to appeal to the 99%. the president has a 19 point lead on the question of who voters trust to protect the middle class. romney is in damage control mode, his campaign is attacking the poll question calling them seriously flawed. the washington post stands by the questionnaire. let's turn to joan walsh, eld i tore for salon.com, and e.j. dionne, senior fellow at the brookings institution.
i don't know about you two, i loved it when president obama came out and said you know what, these were the numbers, this is what they are right now, oh by the way i deserve a second term. joan, it's almost out of character for the president to talk like that. what do you think is he making the turn? >> i think he made the turn, ed. i think that turn is part of why his numbers are going up. i think there are several things going on, we do see unemployment coming down, not as fast as we would like, stale problem. but coming down the numbers are going in the right direction. and the president's own rhetoric has been more feisty, much more populist, he's competent, we are on the right track i think that in turn is shoring up his base and also attracting independents. then of course the third thing, we talked about the republicans are scaring people. >> e.j., does he stay the course? does he keep the tone, this is
the winning strategy, do you think? >> it sure much more winning than what he was pursuing six months ago. i think what you're seeing two short term things, two long term things. the long term things are as joan suggested, starting in september, he abandoned seeking bipartisanship with people who didn't want to pursue bipartisan shin and started making an argument about fairness and shared prosperity. i think occupy wall street deserves a hat tip here, because they really changed the nation's conversation. we are talking a lot more about economic inequality than we were six months or a year ago, that is not good for conservatives. short term, i think romney has suffered more than he's gained in these primaries, particularly it seems when he talks about money and lastly, i think what is significant is not just that the economy has improved, because it started doing that a while ago, but americans are starting to believe that it's improving, they are sensing that this time it made be for real.
now some things could go wrong in europe or in iran, but for now, i think americans think we may have finally turned the corner and that makes a huge difference. i don't see why the president would abandon what he started in september, and he keeps doubling up on it. >> joan, why would one of the leading right wing hacks out there, karl rove, come out and talk about a super bowl ad? this really must have gotten under their skin. what do you think of the backlash of the clint eastwood ad? >> i think it's fascinating ed. it tells us alot about american politics. karl rove was -- has a hissy fit over nothing. clint eastwood has been a conservative but what that told me, ed, is they are starting to understand that they've destroyed their brand. their brand, ronald reagan's brand was optimism. they were the ones with faith in the country, they were the ones
who believed our brightest days were ahead. and they managed to pick democrats off in this kind of nervous nellies and critical of the country and not great believers in the spirit. what i think you have seen now is karl rove is terrified, when he hears that language it sounds like barack obama. it wasn't about barack obama, but it sounds like it. that is not good news for republicans and it shows how far that we've turned a corner where the republicans are the negative, nasty pessimistic ones and the democrats are the ones with the optimism. >> i find it amazing, you think back in the days, e.j., karl rove running the political machine for george bush, must be a low day for him to have to come out and comment on a super bowl ad that talks about creating jobs, where's the pro growth agenda here, big guy? i find it amazing. >> you know he's a commentator, he has to talk about all trending items everywhere, that
may have had something to do with it but i do think the republicans as joan suggested, have put themselves in a box. fdr cornered optimism in his day. ronald reagan stole it back, from the democrats. the democrats kind of played along and they were kind of grumpy and worried about the direction of the country. i think clinton stole it back from reagan, but now what you have is the republican completely abandoning optimistic talk and in a way they have to because their political base really believes the country is fundamentally on the wrong direction, so they have to keep saying these negative things. but i think the chrysler ad really played much more to where americans are. we are optimistic and hopeful people. >> the voice, the sternness of clint eastwood, just taking you right down to the streets where
the people are who want a job and are going to turn it around, how can you give up, we can't get knocked down by a punch, all the things that president obama has been believing in since the day he went in the office. stick with the american worker and you never will go wrong. i thought it was out of the park. to have them respond to it is even better. joan walsh, e.j. dionne, thanks for being with us. chris christi, rush limbaugh and tom brady's wife made news at the super bowl. with mitt romney cruising to the nomination, rick santorum says not so fast. he has a good chance to win in minnesota tomorrow. howard fineman joins me for the discussion, stay with us. [ woman ] i was ready for my trip.
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more than 111 million people across the world watched the new york giants defeat the patriots in the super bowl last night. it was the most watched tv show in american history. but there were a few things maybe you didn't see. patriots fans were heart broken to see a game winning pass from tom brady go through the hands of wes welker. brady's wife threw him under the bus.
>> >> ouch, gisele. holy smokes. i guess she forgot the camera was on there. another person who didn't realize he was on camera was rush limbaugh. he was an invited guest of bob kraft, he was caught digging for gold while the patriots find the end zone. i knew he had a nose for the football. to be fair the patriots weren't the only team with a blowhard hanging around. the governor chris christi trying to hog the spotlight while the giants coach, tom coughlin being interviewed. maybe he was looking for a job as middle linebacker, i don't know. it one be super bowl without false outrage from the out ring. madonna's show featured a message about world piece. one of the performers was m.i. a. danna perino took issue.
>> she is an amazing performer, we love the songs from the 80s, she chooses m.i.a., not an american to talk about world peace? according to her you can't deliver a message about world peace unless you're an american. the super bowl set a new record for viewership, fox news continues to set the record for ridiculous things ever said on television. these are draconian provisions from the point of view of airline organizing, no compromise here. >> the war on workers continues in the congress. will the democrats stand up? >> a lot of people are giving me credit for that i will accept that credit. >> will donald trump take the blame if mitt romney finishes third in minnesota. howard fineman has the latest. republican race baiting on full display.
welcome back to "the ed show" thanks for watching tonight. this evening, senate democrats caved on union right. the senate passed a 64 billion dollar long term faa funding bill including revision making it extremely difficult for workers to unionize. the measure stipulates employees cannot hold a vote on forming a union unless 50% of them sign a card agreeing to an election. the senate vote was 75-20 with majority of democrats voting for it. i don't get it. the house of representatives passed the bill on friday, by a vote of 248-169 over the passionate objectives -- objections of democrats like george miller of california.
>> imagine if a congressional election was run this way, to get on the ballot you first need majority of all the voters in your district to sign cards saying they supported but you opportunity know who they were and you didn't know where they lived. we wouldn't participate in election under these conditions and yet we're in ssing american workers have their elections rigged in this fashion. i cannot support this bill. it undermines the rights of american workers for no purpose. other than to satisfy the demands of the republicans and their special interests backers. >> the anti-union provision is unnecessary to the reauthorizization bill for the faa. the republicans used it as an excuse to bust unions and senate democrats let them get away with it. joining me is veda shook, international president of the association of flight attendants, nice to have you with us tonight. harry reid is selling this bill and then voted for it as a compromise that creates jobs.
how do you see it? >> the anti-union unnecessary insertion in this bill, there is no compromise, no compromise at all. it's sending that into the faa reauthorizization bill that is about funding, our nation's aviation infrastructure so it can be first class, world class, best in the world to shove in this anti-union attack is no compromise, it's a total victory for the republicans. >> so, explain how this is a particular problem for workers that are involved in mergers, we have seen take overs in the airline industry, how does this change the dichotomy of all that? >> it's incredibly dangerous for collective bargaining, for in the case of a merger, because with this put into law is it requires 50% of the workforce in order to have a union. and right now, with the national
mediation board you have to have 35% to file for an election or election to be called. if there is a merger on or about 35% or more, there would be an election for union representation. if there was one group was union and one non-union. in this case, one is 55%, one is 45%, 55% no union, say maybe delta airlines, 45% union, say like american airlines, collective bargaining contracts, wiped out. >> so this of course is going to let the big get bigger and come in, keep organized labor out, so they can go after your pensions, go after your health care, they can dictate your wages and make it harder on the middle chase workers. that is how i read it but here is another thing, barbara boxer, john kerry, chuck schumer, jay rockefeller and harry reid. you lost good democrats on this one, what happened? >> what happened was a sneak
attack in the middle of the night. we know this congress right now has really a bunch of do-nothings, but amazing what deals they can crack in the middle of the night behind closed doors, that is exactly what happened here. a secret deal was cooked up with boehner and reid, with where they inserted and wrote this new language in the law, that attacks our ability to organize. they didn't involve labor sitting at the table, the workers like myself that actually would be working under the railway labor act. they did a secret deal, when it was exposed when we said look at what you've done think said this is the jobs bill. it's anti-worker. >> yeah, it is anti-worker, there is no doubt. this faa reauthorizization bill has been going on for years and years, and basically it looks like the republicans wore down the democrats to get exactly
what they wanted, they got that percentage, they know how hard it will be to organize now. it's unfortunate. veda shook, appreciate your time, thank you for joining us on "the ed show" keep up the fight. rick santorum is making a play here in minnesota ahead tomorrow's caucus, could it be his last chance to shake up the race? newt gingrich is in town, too. he says he will be in the race to the bitter end. howard fineman joins me for analysis, stay with us. [ male announcer ] what if an entire car insurance company
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welcome back to "the ed show" from minneapolis tonight, this is the state where rick santorum has a chance to walk away with bragging rights in tomorrow's non-binding caucus. colorado and missouri have gop contest tomorrow. big three that will be taking place. rick santorum leads in the latest minnesota poll but not by much, but he leads. santorum has been campaigning among in the faith community. was a big mega church in eden prairie. the agenda of the state matches up with santorum. there are four conservative ballot issues coming up in the length tur, republicans are trying to pass the constitutional amendments to outlaw gay marriage. pass voter id requirement and also requirement of two-thirds majority for any kind of tax increase and of course make minnesota a right to work state. they are trying to bypass the governor and get this through, which they could do. santorum has even revived sarah palin's talk of death panel
saying the health cares of mitt romney and president obama have similar kind of cost containments. >> they are referred to as deat panels, they ration care for those people they don't believe these procedures are effective. so you have government making decisions and apportioning care based on research that shows what outcomes should be or dictated by -- by the research that is out there. >> of course there is no cost containment in the affordable health care act, which amounts to a death panel. mitt romney isn't campaigning here in minnesota today, leaving it to his surrogate, tim pawlenty. donald trump is happy to take credit for the size of romney's nevada win.
>> it was a lot riding on that particular race and in nevada, and it was interesting because the numbers were much, much greater than he thought and a lot of people are giving me credit for that and i will accept that credit. >> romney has a strong lead in the latest colorado poll, with the voters. let's bring in an his and editor and director of the huffington post, howard fineman, great to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." one thing about this, with these candidates, nobody looks good everywhere. somebody looks good somewhere, and this is the land of michele bachmann and rick santorum, looks good right now. say he win tomorrow night, what does it mean, if anything? >> he has to win somewhere tore -- tomorrow. i was talking to staff who says they are running a lean, mean campaign, with low burn rate,
not spending a lot of money on ads and whatever. but he has to win again, so far the high point of his campaign was 34 vote recount victory in iowa after he spent two years in iowa basically cultivating the same kind of voters and institutions in minnesota. the republican party in minnesota, as you know, ed, is it very heavily dominated by or certainly infused with evangelical christians, conservative catholics who respond to the kind of appeals that rick santorum is an expert at making. and so this is his spot. he's got to win minnesota, he has to do well in the beauty pageant in missouri, has no votes attached to it, but newt gingrich is not on the ballot in missouri. so, santorum's people are saying it's a beauty contest. if he doesn't win one of these,
preferably one that has delegates attached to it, will be very hard for him to continue after this week. >> can newt gingrich's southern strategy take him all the way to the convention? he's a heck of a salesman, i watched him on saturday night after the results unfolded in nevada. he sells hard. this guy is believing it will end up at the convention, what do you think? >> well, the thing about newt gingrich is he sells hard, until the very moment that he folds. he has done both and did both as speaker which infuriated all his former friends from the leadership on the republican side. he's utterly convinced of his historical significance until the moment he folds. i think he has no reason not to continue. first of all it's personal as we all know with mitt romney. second, as long as he can scrounge up money, to keep traveling, and by the way his campaign is in debt, rick
santorum has more money in the black than newt gingrich does in his actual campaign coffers. if he can keep traveling, newt will do it and he certainly will keep things going until super tuesday, until those big states that include georgia, his home state, and some other states where he has a chance to do well. don't forget, everybody knows he did well in the northern, that is southern part of florida, has a southern appeal, not a native of the south, as you know, but spent 20 years getting elected in suburban atlanta, so he knows how to talk the talk and walk the walk. there is certainly no reason for him to fold as long as he can scrounge the money together between now and super tuesday in early march. >> howard, great to have you with us, thanks so much. howard fineman, huffington post. >> next republican pete hoekstra, wants to be michigan's next senator. his latest attack ad outraged members of his own party. michael eric dyson will wear in
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tonight in our survey i asked will voters hold republicans accountable for trying to kill the american automobile industry? 88% of you said yes, 12% said no. coming up, congressman peter hoekstra claims democrats are playing the race card after his ad draws complaint. michael eric dyson gives his take on an ad which i think is racist.
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the big finish tonight, former republican congressman peter hoekstra is in hot water over an attack ad he is sticking by the ad as well. hoekstra is running for senate in michigan. in his latest campaign ad, hit democratic senator debbie stabenow, it aired during the super bowl. take a look. >> thank you, michigan senator, debbie spend it now. debbie spent so much money, you buy more and more from us. your economy get very weak, ours get very good. we take your jobs, thank you, debbie spen it now. >> i think the race for u.s. senate is between spend it now, and pete spend it not. i'm pete spend it not hoekstra, and i approve this message. >> needless to say folks on both sides of the aisle calling it racist, and really dumb.
the ad was actually shot in california and produced by fred davis, as well as the modern classic. >> i'm not a witch. >> to make sure all of the stereotypes in his ad sink in, his campaign set up a website featuring the ad with pictures of chinese money, lanterns, parade dragones and stabenow's face on a fan. earlier hoekstra was defending the ad telling the detroit free press there is nothing racist about it. here is hoekstra explaining the ad to wdiv. >> why show a woman in a rice paddy, why not a factory worker? >> could you show a young woman we chose a young woman in china, we could have taken a someone working in a factory, an apple
supply factory and in china as well. it's a creative element. >> creative element he calls it. turn to michael eric dyson, the author of "can you here me now" professor in poor taste, i think it's racist, maybe americans who don't think it is. but are you buying his comment that it's a creative element, a woman in a rice paddy, what do you think? >> it is very creative, creative bigotry, creative hostility and indifference, since he likes to play with names, mr. if you will, hoekstra, is out here talking about debbie stabenow, he's stabbing her now and stabbing us now with the vicious epithets, another display that so many on the right and far right are tone deaf to how their
own insensitivity hurts and harms other people and then when they are called on it they try to give this plausible denability. you're racist, hypersensitive, they put the emphasis on everybody else. >> a coalition of african american pastors in detroit have joined forces in condemning the ad. here is a statement from reverend charles williams, pastor of the king solomon baptist church. the imagery in the ad is no different than the folks that had to put black faced paint on and tap dance. this whole thing makes me so sad because hoekstra really doesn't get it. is that an accurate assessment of what is going on here? >> i think so, pastor williams is from a church the king solomon baptist church hosted malcolm x in the 1960's. i think he's right. tone deaf, insensitive doesn't
get it, don't understand, not only do they not get it they don't want to get it. the problem is that by using this broken english speaking asian woman it not only reinforces stereotypes about asian people in isolation but in relationship to the arguments about china, it misportrays china as a land of such vast ignorance that people don't know how to master their craft. the problem he's having with china, that have been speaker year, they mastered, so that is part of the misrepresentation here. >> senator stabenow weighed in, we had a super bowl with a lot of creativity and fun ads and we had another ad from chrysler about how we're coming back and pete hoekstra took us in the exact opposite direction. yet here's what hoekstra had to say on fox news earlier. here it is. >> the bottom line is when debbie stabenow can't defend her record, they will move to the race cards.
>> are they playing the race card every opportunity they get? >> not at all to. see race as a card is misleading, if you see it as a card, the republicans have been dealing from the bottom of the deck from the very beginning. so to claim debbie stabenow and those who find offense thif ad as playing the race card is to shuffle along a trajectory of ignorance and really object stupidity about what is racist and what ain't. we get it, we know, the signifiers are out there. we understand what you're saying. >> hoekstra is in a primary fight and some of the republicans in michigan certainly don't think he is fit as a candidate. that is "the ed show" i'm ed schultz, listen to me on sirius radio, follow me on twitter, like "the ed show" on facebook.