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have clearly never had any of these examinations and who certainly don't carry pregnancies and don't make abou whether or not they would be become pregnant. so they are completely out of touch. >> congress woman debbie wasserman-schultz, i'm sorry we ran out of time. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york, breaking news at this hour, a shuttle america flight made an emergency landing at newark liberty airport the passenger plane with 69 passengers and 4 crew reported a landing gear malfunction shortly before 7:00 eastern time. no further details about the problem were played available. no one on board was injured, according to our affiliate, liberty national has now reopened. in 24 hours, republican voters in michigan and arizona
face a tough choice. voice for the candidate who calls president obama a snob, or a guy who proves he's one every day. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. president obama wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob. >> rick santorum is appealing to middle classers with lies and distortions. tonight, santorum faces up to the facts. >> when i speak about higher education we're not just talking about a four year degree. >> richard wolffe and joan walsh on his knock against john f. kennedy. mitt romney's days of plunder continues. >> i have great friends nascar team owners. >> as tight as a tick in michigan. howard fineman and john nichols have the latest. a brand new state declared war on women's bodies, and their law goes farther than virginia.
joy-ann reid and now's president terry o'neill are here. in wisconsin, it's the biggest victory for the recall walker movement to date. the governor is not happy. >> a huge distraction not just for me, for the legislature, $9 million of taxpayer money just to run this. good to have you with us, thanks for watching. rick santorum is trying to drive a wedge between wage earners and the president of the united states. his new attack on the resident is taylor made for the people in the rust belt states like michigan. here is santorum's pitch to a working class tea party crowd over the weekend. >> i know what manufacturing means to a community, i grew up in one. i understand what it means to have folks who are at the bottom of the economic ladder, folks who are struggling to pull the skills together to be able to get value in the marketplace for their skills. not all folks are gifted. in the same way. some people have incredible
gifts with their hands. some people have incredible gifts and want to work out that making things. >> got to have to it santorum. mitt romney just can't talk like that and that's why santorum is making this a race in michigan. santorum made a hard plea for wage earners, a group mitt romney can't seem to connect with. santorum followed it up by saying president obama thinks he's better than them. >> president obama once said he wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob. good decent men and women put their skills to test that aren't taught by a liberal college professor to indoctrinate them. president obama has a condescending view of the working class and rick santorum just knows all about their needs and cares so much more about
them. santorum is trying to make these folks think president obama views them as somewhat of a lesser people, a lesser worker in society? we asked the santorum campaign to let us know when president obama said that he wanted to accept send every american to college. they have not responded. president obama did respond today. he was talking about education investments at the national governor's association. >> the jobs of the future are increasingly going to those with more than a high school degree. i have to make a point here, when i speak about higher education, not just a four year degree. we're talking about community college, getting trained for a manufacturing job now is requiring walking through the door handling a million dollar piece of equipment. they can't go in there unless they have basic training beyond what they received in high school. >> president obama's opinion on
college is not much different than rick santorum's. back in 2006, santorum senate campaign website said "santorum is equally insuring every pennsylvanian has access to higher education." he's for it unless president obama is also for it. santorum's double standard, it doesn't stop there. he says president obama wants to indoctrinate our youth by sending them to college. another person who has been accused of indoctrinating youth is a guy named ron luce, president of teen mania ministries. in 2005, rick santorum endorsed this guy writing ron luce takes the first important step, educating and equipping parents like me. he should know he is a home schooler. many past attendees of the ministries set up a website
describing the physical and emotional abuses they experience while staying at a ron luce camp. among the accusations are sleep deprivation, food deprivation, verbal abuse. refusal of medical treatment, rolling in vomit, you got to like that one, crawling through the mud. got to toughen the kids up. >> here is how ron luce describes his ministry. >> you could say fear factor meets navy seal training. fear factor they don't know how it will unfold or what the next exercise is. meets navy seals training, it is intense, you can wring out, you're required to give more than what you think you can give. creating a surreal environment where you discover things like wow, i'm a quitter, i shouldn't be or wow i can give more than i thought with the hope of you are helping them discover that they can reach dep deeper and trust
in the lord more than what they thought. >> ron luce get a big thumb's up from rick santorum. president obama is the gad buy w -- bad guy. rick santorum's words needs to be examined closely as he moves closer to the nomination. santorum is saying president obama thinks he's better than them ant wants to brain wash their children. this is 2012, this is the kind of talk that is dangerous, has people scared. i was in columbus, ohio over the weekend for a radio event at a station there i asked a few people in the crowd what do you think of the santorum guy? the word that came out "dangerous." now i want to address for a moment this blue collar thing that santorum thinks he has going with people in michigan and ohio. just remember one thing, rick santorum not one time on the campaign trail has come out and said "i'm pro union and stand with you, i'll stand with people who collectively bargain" just
keep in mind he's a republican. they are against unions, they're against your voice in the work place, they've gone after your health care, pension and they think you make too much appeared they outsourced your jobs overseas, remember blue collar workers in michigan, the democrats aren't going to take your firearms, they go to church, too, and they believe that the person living next to you can have a same sex marriage. that is as far as it goes, okay? not going to be intrusive at all in your life style. the fact is that santorum is playing the shell game, answer me this. if santorum lost by 18 points to senator casey in 2006, where were all those pittsburgh union people? they were working to get santorum out of the senate because he was not union-friendly and was not the big wage earner supporter that he loves to pretend to be on the campaign trail. i give him credit he can talk the smoke, he can talk the snack and smoke and everything else when he's in front of the crowd,
he knows how to play to the crowd the record does not show he's for wage earners. he's playing a card right now that romney can't play. romney don't how far to play but santorum does. tonight's question, do republicans prefer to have an uneducated electorate? a for yes, b to know to 6262263. go to ed.msnbc.com. >> richard wolffe, is santorum going to be effective in winning over the middle class voters, the independents and also the reagan democrats, how do you judge it? >> i don't think he is, and i'll explain why. let's leave aside the distortions of the president's record for a second. when you think about the economic argument that at times rick santorum has his arms
around, there isn't a member of the middle class who thinks that kids will find the good paying jobs or this country will build the kind of economy to compete with the rest of the world without getting an education beyond high school. nobody really believes that. education is so central to the middle class health care and housing defines what it is to be aspirational in the middle class. making the economic argument he is saying about manufacturing, if he thinks non-skilled, lower educated jobs are the way forward for this country he doesn't understand the global economy, doing down the republican reputation, remember that pitch here is they understand the private sector, they understand the global economy, this kind of comments about how education, the president's positions on community colleges, on getting skilled jobs isn't working, that is doesn't fit with the world as it is today, so rick santorum may be speaking to a sliver of christian conservatives, he is not making the bigger pitch on the economy where it's important
in michigan. >> santorum charges against president obama are extreme. here they are. >> i understand why he wants you to go to college. he wants to remake you in his image. i want to create jobs to so people can remake their children in their image, not his. >> what is he talking about, remake them in his image? >> well, this gets to theology, him using biblical language to try to suggest there is an anti-religious advocate who is in the white house, who is trying to revolutionize secularize america. it's nonsense, not true, in any way, shape or form. the idea that preparing people for skilled manufacturing jobs or non-manufacturing jobs is a way to in dock try nate people is curious from a guy who took the position he took on teri schiavo, or ron luce, this is
big government conservativism where government reaches in and used to push the social agenda forward. honestly there is a huge gap between that and the economic side of the party between what santorum has said about the economy and also ron paul, an out liar. >> what about president obama responding to the charges? what did you make of it? >> i think it shows that even from the perch of the presidency, this is a president and campaign highly attuned to the misinformation that is out there. we have seen their first go out on solyndra they are tracking how stuff goes down. michigan is a battle ground state. at the doesn't correct this stuff, no matter how many people he has in chicago doing it it's not the same impact. he has to be on top of it, rapid response from the white house. >> richard wolffe, thank you for joining us. answer tonight's question at the
bottom of the screen, share thoughts on twitter at ed show, coming up rick santorum says john f. kennedy wants to make him throw up. mitt romney tries to win over nascar lovers, but they are not buying it. howard fineman and john nichols, on romney's failure to connect with regular folks. stay with us we're right back. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota, that's why there's guys like me. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪ i want to fix up old houses. ♪ [ woman ] when i grow up, i want to take him on his first flight.
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kennedy for the first time articulated a vision saying no, faith is not allowed in the public square. i will keep it separate. go out and read the speech, i will have nothing to do with faith. i won't consult with people of faith. it was an absolutist doctrine foreign at the time of 1960. that makes you throw up. >> rick santorum says john f. kennedy makes him want to throw up. he can't run against reality so he's lying about the speech. here is what jfk actually said.
>> i believe in an america that is officially neither catholic, protestant or jewish, all men and all churches are treated as equal. every man has the same rights to attend or not attend the church of his choice. >> at no time did kennedy say his faith is not allowed in the public square. he gave the speech for much the same reason barack obama had to explain his connection to reverend jeremiah wright. kennedy had to reassure america he wouldn't force catholocism on the country. he spoke about the separation of church and state. he defended the rights of catholics like rick santorum's run for president. >> this is decided on the basis that 40 million americans lost their chance of being president on the day they were baptized,
then it is the whole nation that will be the loser. >> santorum's distortion is revealing. by saying the speech made him want to throw up he's confirming he would allow his faith to determine policy in the white house if he were to get there. you could call it theocracy. joan walsh, your reaction to all that sound you just heard? >> oh my god, ed, thanks for playing it all. those are the best sound bites. there is nothing that is inconsistent, but those clips get at what the president said. can i just say it made me want to throw up? what grade is the guy in? how juvenile is that? second as you point out, president kennedy never said he wanted to drive people from faith from the public square, he was trying to make the public square safe for people of all faiths and he's very, very clear
about that. he was a practicing catholic, he had close relationships with prooes a priest, ministers and rabbis. it was never about driving people of faith away. we only had one catholic president, and it comes from a history of real anti-catholic prejudice and nativism in this country. president kennedy was speaking about. that he made it safe for rick santorum to be free to run for president, as crazy as you and i think it is. it's awful. >> what would a santorum presidency look like, would this be the closest thing the united states would dom a theocracy or it would be one? >> i think it would be close. the thing about santorum he's slightly cagey. >> he's cagey all right. >> right? so that when he gets challenged on these things, i'm not saying i would want to impose my values on others.
of course he does. he crusades against contraception and tries to say, i never said that i would really outlaw it and i voted for title x, a few days later says i hate title x and want to outlaw it. he's a flip-flopper in certain ways as mitt romney is. so we don't know, really, what he would do but we have plenty of reason to fear it. >> fear, that is the perfect word. it seems to me that rick santorum is doing everything he can to get conservatives to not only support him but fear the president. the more they fear the president the more he can dee monnize limb the better chance he will have in the long run politically. who does it play to? who is he talking to? >> you know, i think -- the ironic thing he's talking to the old prejudiced nativist evangelical crust, which is a very small group of people, catholics have it great in this
country, but there are those people out there, that is ironic, i always say and i think you say this, too, i can't root for santorum to win the nomination because it is possible that a republican could get elected. i love my country i can't wish that on my country. however, this made me feel like president obama couldn't lose against this guy, can you imagine the ads in catholic places, ohio, pennsylvania, the swing states? just saying president kennedy makes me want to throw up i would love to see that campaign. >> do you think santorum is deliberately lying about the meaning of kennedy's speech or do you think he believes it? >> no, i think he's lying. the guy has three degrees, he's a snob, he has gone to college, he's not stupid. i don't think he's stupid. he says it's such approve vocation reminds me of hgary hart, you think i'm cheating, follow me around. he tells you to read the speech, i don't remember it being that way, het me google the speech, i
find it. it doesn't say anything of the kind. so he's got to know that, he just is saying whatever it takes to win the election and as you put it whatever it takes to rile people up. and scare them about president obama. it's that simple. >> i would love to see him win michigan, i would really love to see him win the nomination for the republicans because we would have a clear contrast and a real debate about which way to take this country, which i think would be healthy for america. joan, great to have you with us, thank you so much. >> thank you, ed. >> not just republicans in virginia want to call the shots on women's health care. new states have declared war on women's bodies. joy-ann reid and terry o'neill weigh in next. scott walker folds, the campaign will not challenge any recall signatures. we'll tell you their bogus excuse, stay with us.
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i think it's invasive, i think it's almost an assault if it's not medically necessary to do the ultrasound, no one should be forced to undergo a medical procedure like that. by government. >> sound familiar? this time it's happening in the state of alabama. state republican lawmakers have introduced their own mandatory ultrasound bill. senate bill 12 would require, require a physician to perform an ultrasound provide verbal explanation of the ultrasound and display the images to the pregnant woman before performing an abortion. the legislation passed committee last week in alabama, the
committee chair, greg reed, thinks it's a good bill. he happens to be an executive at preferred medical systems, a company that sells ultrasound equipment. the bill would not exempt victims of sexual assault. physicians could face up to ten years in prison and a $15,000 fine if they don't administer the medically unnecessary ultrasound first. the physician could also require a woman to under go an internal ultrasound instead of external one. that part of the bill prompted the most public outrage. late today the bill sponsor, clay scofield, says he will amend the legislation. >> the portion that i want to clarify that i think people say this is infringing on the rights of women is the vaginal transducer because of the language either/or. i want to make sure we leave that up to the women's choice, clarify the language.
>> turn to joy-ann reid, msnbc contributing and terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. thanks to both of you for joining us tonight. joy-ann, your response to this? >> unbelievable that he would -- that this state representative would even introduce the word "choice" in what he is doing, saying the state has the right to literally in you bodily but give you a chance how it's done, from the belly or vaginally, we'll give you the choice. this is coercion. this is states and not just alabama, same thing happening in pennsylvania, texas has passed a law extremely ownerous in making it difficult for women to make this decision on their own without essentially being sort of coerced by saying you have to watch this image. you can look away and close your eyes you have to listen to the heart beat, do all these things to sort of shame and coerce women in giving birth. >> terry, your thoughts on what is happening with the medical community here, a doctor could
face a jail sentence if he didn't perform the procedure, that is a mandate. and what doctor is going to perform abortions with those kind of penalties which obviously is going to be more restrikive when it comes to choice? your thoughts. >> the purpose of this bill is simply to stop women from exercising their constitutional right to have an abortion. and joy-ann i could not agree more, to use the word "choice" there are people beginning to call these bill the ritual humiliation laws. that is their actual purpose, to ritually humiliate women by acting the women doesn't know the choice shis making all women do. many women feel enormous relief after an abortion, for many women a wrenching decision, every woman's abortion is her own. and mr. scofield needs to understand he should have nothing to do with it it's between her and her doctor and the people who love her and the ones that she depends on the
most for her own support that would not be the legislature of alabama. >> politically it seems to be happening all over the country, legislatively picking up like a firestorm, the virginia senate has been pushed back, they delayed a vote on the ultrasound bill. do you think republicans know that this is a loser, joy-ann but want to do it anyway? >> it's hard to tell, there have been something like 1100 of these bills introduced around the country since the mid-terms, 130 have become law. in swing states like florida and pennsylvania, red states like texas and alabama. i think what you are are ee seeing is that that wing of the republican party, evangelicals have decided they won't wait anymore. they were disappointed by george w. bush, he never fulfilled the promises of enacting the legislation. >> they are ready for the generational fight. >> they are running out of time. >> in the middle of the country in kansas here is kansas
governor sam brownback who used to be in the united states senate offering a solution to women for working in religious institutions. >> that is not denying women's rights, if a woman wants birth control, go work somewhere else. >> what do you say to that, terry? >> i think mr. brownback needs to work somewhere else. the women of alabama are again mobilizing like the women in virginia did. it's happening now. the republican politicians who are aggressively going after women's birth control, who are aggressively going after like the susan 2k3w679 g. komen, goi reproductive rights in invasive way, those politicians will not hold their jobs longer. third going to lose. >> if there is no push back, who knows if the language in that
bill would have been changed. >> the thing that is incredible for those of you who grew up where contraception was never illegal, abortion was legal, this is a shock to younger women, this is shocking to find we're in this 1950's debate, women are not accustomed to these assaults on their liberty, i think republicans are committing a fatal political error with younger women who are not only the voters of 2012 but 2014 and 16 and beyond. >> joy ann reid, terry o'neill, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. if people think there is something wrong with being success nullful in america they better vote for the other guy. >> can mitt romney keep his mouth closed to hang on to the lead in michigan? i'll ask howard fineman and john nichols. more bad news for the wisconsin governor. has scott walker whining. democrats have a new ad. the public school disaster in chicago keeps getting uglier.
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automobile. >> i think my dadded a a job like being the grand master or whatever of the 50th celebration of the automobile in detroit, they painted the woodward avenue with gold paint, my memory is a little foggy. but i was probably 4, cars go down woodward avenue. >> the golden jubilee was 1946. he was born in 1947. so i guess the mitt steer's memory is foggy. he screwed up big time on the automobile loan program and rick santorum is trying to take advantage. his campaign put out this robo crawl in michigan. >> romney supported the bail out for his wall street billionaire buddies with you opposed the auto bailouts. on tuesday, join democrats who are going to send a loud message to massachusetts mitt romney by voting for rick santorum for president. this call is supported by hard
working democratic men and women and paid for by rick santorum for president. >> joining are john nichols, and howard fineman, nbc news and editorial director of huffington post. great to have you. does rick santorum have some sort of an operation chaos of his own going on in michigan? >> ed, i talked to a prominent democratic labor union official just a little while ago before coming on the show and i said what about santorum's appeal to democrats in michigan? he said if rick santorum wanted to appeal to democrats in michigan, it probably wasn't a great idea to say he wanted to throw up when he was reading a speech by john f kennedy, that wasn't a great introduction to seeking democratic votes in michigan. >> the rain coat comment, the
guy can't connect with working folks, that is his problem. >> he said as much. he said the other day when questioned about the two cadillaced and so forth he said look, i am what i am. this is what i am. the problem is whenever he tries to be something else, which is every day, he gets it wrong and it just feeds in to the ongoing narrative of a guy who not only can't connect to working people, but who seems fundamentally ungenuine, that is a theme he will have to deal with if he gets the nomination. >> romney tried to defend himself this weekend on his gaffe about his wife having two cadillacs. here it is. >> i can't be perfect, i just am who i am. if people think there is something wrong with being successful in america, they better vote for the other guy, i have been successful, i want to use that to help the people.
>> in tucson, arizona, it seems mitt romney has a good lead. john, how do you figure? >> i think mitt romney has a lead in arizona because the conservatives here, social conservatives especially dominant are split. the remarkable thing in arizona is that while romney leads and santorum is in second, newt gingrich is running way stronger than in a lot of the rest of the country. the recent polls have him in some cases over 20%. that 20% is coming out of rick santorum. you will probably see a situation in arizona where mitt romney wins because of that divided opposition, but doesn't get near majority. >> as i said the polls are tightening in michigan and romney has a lead in arizona, michigan, howard, i have to ask you is this a must-win for mitt romney tomorrow? >> of course it is. it's his home state.
i know there are jokes he lives in california and boston, he explained the two cadillacs were one each in california and boston. but of course he has to win it and even though -- you know he has to win it people are are saying he will win it. and the fact they made that prediction shows just how important they think it. if they were going to down play it, down play the significance you wouldn't be hearing them say that. >> what do you make of his good polling in ohio? and also in wisconsin? john nichols, your thoughts? >> romney's good poll something. >> santorum's i'm sorry. he seems to be doing well in ohio, and a lot of favorable comments i heard over the weekend that people on the other side think he's very dangerous but he seems to be appealing to the radical and that is the wing he's grabbing right now. >> i think there is something else very important. santorum at this point is appealing in both wisconsin and ohio for two reasons.
number one, mitt romney has not been in with the negative ads, so people are expressing their real views, which is they have no taste for mitt romney and rick santorum emerged as the alternative. the other thing that ties them together, i think it's why santorum remains viable in michigan is that wisconsin and ohio are manufacturing states, they are auto states, by tradition, these are place where i think that the mitt romney opposition to the auto bail out is almost as big an issue in an ohio or wisconsin as it is in michigan. >> howard, if mitt romney barely wins in michigan, isn't that a big statement by santorum in and of itself, because he really didn't have the resources to do the kind of campaigning he wanted to do in michigan early on and this wasn't supposed to be this tough for mitt romney in michigan. >> that's right. that is one reason why mitt romney has to win it if he is going to try to impress the
people who matter here, which are the republican establishment. first of all if romney wins arizona as he is expected to do that is a winner take allstate. a big bunch of delegates there. michigan is proportional by congressional district, i believe, so santorum will get delegates. what it will do if it's very close, it will set santorum up for a strong race in ohio. now, again, as john said, the romney campaign hasn't done its carpet bombing work yet in ohio, so we will see how that works. but i think what this will all mean we are really in for a very long complicated campaign here. newt gingrich is probably going to win in georgia, i think now may, maybe the end of may before we have, if we have a republican nominee. >> i want to point out that would cut in fishing season for me i wish they would get a decision. howard fineman, john nichols, great to have you with us.
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the effort to recall governor scott walker is moving full steam ahead. today was the deadline for the campaign to challenge recall petition signatures. the walker camp announced they won't be filing any challenges, the campaign complained there wasn't enough time to review the petitions even though the judge had given them an extra 20 days. timing isn't the only thing scott walker is complaining about. >> a huge distraction not just for me, the legislature.
$9 million of taxpayer money to run this thing about the number of kids we could help, the number of seniors we could help that we didn't have to waste on this frivolous recall election. >> really? his arrogance is amazing. he's referring to the democratic process as frivolous. it's interesting walker suddenly concerned about seniors and children. he cut almost $900 million from education with you did give corporations $140 million tax break. think about the number of kids and seniors helped with the billion dollars. scott walker's policies are failing and he has the worst jobs record in the country, but he still is playing the victim. >> after year of being attacked by out of state special interests, the tens of millions that were poured in, ahead of any democrats in the race bodes well for the election. >> scott walker is whining about
out of state money? the koch brothers spent $700,000 on pro walker ads recently and koch brothers, i don't think they are wisconsinites. the democratic party in the state is using in-state money to fund this commercial. >> governor walker's aides were charged yesterday. >> police arrested five men. >> felonies. >> high level campaign. political sabotage. >> investigation is getting closer to governor walker. >> what did the president know and when did he first know it? >> what did scott walker know and when did he know it? i'm just asking the question. if the walker campaign continues to back down a recall election could happen as early as may 29th. coming up, students are fined? yes, fined for minor offenses in chicago charter schools. and it is affecting their
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welcome back to "the ed show." the chicago school board may have rammed through an unpopular, unfair overhaul but the discussion is far from over. rahm emanuel the mayor is a big fan of charter schools, calling their results incredible. but the nobel street charter schools are coming under increased scrutiny because they are charging parents fees for student misconduct. the fees are based on demerits in detention like chewing gum, not looking at the teacher when supposed to or not sitting up straight. i'd have had real problems if those were the rules. the nobel charter network has collected $386,745 in fees over the past few years. chicago try bun editorial describe it this way, many nobel
student leaves the school before senior year. some forced to choose between bus fare and their education. by a discipline code, that fines them for bringing chips to school or chewing gum. believe it or not. i'm joined tonight by judith dianis, a generation civil rights organization focused on issues of democracy and race. and donna moore, whose son attends nobel charter school in chicago. what have you experienced and is it the right way to go? >> it is not the right way to go for many students what i've experienced is punishment, robbing not just my pocketbook for paying fines, for minor things such as the shoe untied or falling asleep in a
detention. the things that are happening does not make common sense in terms of discipline for high schoolers getting to college on their way to college, a shoe untied, slouching? those are the things that are holding kids back from being able to even move forward and having a future. >> judith, is this for profit or this is to make it a better environment, what do you think? >> clearly they are lining their pockets of this school. it's a non-profit organization but to have over -- almost $400,000 they've collected in three years from low income families for minor conduct. it's not it changes behavior but padding the pockets of the school. >> how much of an impact has this had on your sibling, donna? >> on my son it has had a tremendous impact.
being told that you are undisciplined because you have a button unbuttoned or shoes untied, that undermined his self-he self sel self-esteem, his self-worth. he's reminded he's bad because of minor things that have nothing to do with education that have nothing to do with anythi egregio egregious. >> he said this is the school with the secret sauce, but they have a dirt y y secret. they are getting money through taxes but charging parents who can't afford it. parents have to make choices about whether or not to pay for the bus ride to school, or are they going to pay the fine? guess what? if you do not pay the fine, the policy allows them to keep your child back in grade or not allow
your child to graduate. this is what he's holding up as sound educational reform many how is your son's attitude going through this? >> it's very disheartening, he has -- his whole dream of becoming a drug enforcement agent has been totally undermined because of suspensions and fines for nothing that has to do with anything egregious, for slouching, not sitting up straight, for not tracking the teachers. >> quickly, judith, it would seem to me personalities can become involved. i have to admit not every teacher loved big eddie, there are some things, there are personalities that come into play here which i think can be dangerous and it's a system a kid could get picked on. >> that's right. this is the problem with what is happening here, totally