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i appreciate it. that's "the ed show." the "the rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. it's election night. polls have just officially closed here in the great state of new york. at this hour nbc news is declaring the race in new york according to our results, hello. according to nbc news right now results in new york are 95 delegates are at stake. the primary having just closed. we get calls at the moment that the polls close. that's not the case. 0% in. polls closed about an hour ago in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. nbc is projecting that romney is the winner. voters in the great state of rhode island had the chance to cast their ballots tonight. nbc news now projecting that mitt romney has won the state of rhode island. the same story in neighboring
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connecticut. nbc news projecting that mitt romney will win in connecticut, and in the state of delaware, nbc declaring that mitt romney has won in the great state of delaware. although delaware is the second smallest state in the country with only 17 total delegates at stake for the entire state, it has has a little bit of significance in terms of today's news the tonight's republican primary in particularly. newt gingrich told nbc news if he didn't finish a close second to mitt romney in delaware that he would have to quote, reassess his campaign. that led to some speculation that if the delaware race is a blow out for mitt romney tonight, we might see newt gingrich formally suspending his campaign and effect ily quitting the race this evening. mr. gingrich spoke in the last hour. he did not quit the race. we'll have more on mr. gingrich's remarks tonight and his future in the race coming up
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in the show. mr. romney's speech is not taking place in any of the states that were voting today. mitt romney was not speaking in new york or pennsylvania or rhode island or connecticut or delawa delaware. he's not doing what some other candidates have done this year which is not give their speech in a state that's not voted but give their speech in state that's about to have a primary soon. mitt romney tonight is giving his speech in place that voted a long time ago. a state that has symbolic resonance because it's where he launched his campaign for the presidency. he's not speaking tonight in place where he initially launched his candidacy when he started running in 2008. you remember where he launched his campaign? it was at the henry ford in michigan. they were trying to make it seem
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like michigan was his home state. the drag was the camera angle. it made it look like he was in the movie north by northwest and running from a crop duster. that big prop plane with the propeller behind him. he is going back to where he announced his presidential candidacy. he's going back to where he announced he was running in this year's election. instead of going back to michigan, this time he's going back to new hampshire. in the new hampshire announcement speech they didn't have any camera angle problems like they had with the crop duster thing in 2008. the problem they had with the 2012 campaign launch was, do you remember sarah palin clam bake back when people were wonder if sarah palin might be running. she made sure she just happened to be in new hampshire for a
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clam bake on the same day that mitt romney was in new hampshire, totally up staging him stepping all over mitt romney's headlines that day. mr. palin getting to new hampshire that day wasn't an accident. it was no easy task. her bus tour had to barrel through tornadoes in massachusetts in order to get her to new hampshire on time to big foot mitt romney. there she was just 20 minutes away from where mitt romney was about to make the biggest announcement of his political life stealing all his political thunder. it's not like the 2012 mitt romney for president launch went perfectly smoothly this time around. nevertheless, the romney campaign has decided tonight to return to the scene of the crime for this speech tonight. there's no substantive connection between new hampshire and all of the places that voted tonight. i think we are left to conclude that the new hampshire choice for tonight's speech is supposed to be something with symbolic
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resonance. just as his campaign started in new hampshire, now that he's taken care of winning the nomination, tonight he will start his campaign to win the general election. i think that's the symbolic message behind mitt romney speaking in new hampshire. moments ago he started that beginning again speech in new hampshire. here he is. >> thank you. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you for that. welcome and thank you pennsylvania, delaware, rhode island, connecticut and new york. thank you. [ applause ] >> tonight i can also say thank
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you america because after 43 primaries and caucuses, many long days and more than a few long night, i can say with confidence and gratitude that you have given me a great honor and solemn responsibility, and together we are going to win on november 6th. [ applause ] >> we launched this campaign not far from here. beautiful day in june on a farm in new hampshire. it's been an extraordinary journey. you know, americans have always been eternal optimists, but over the last three and a half years we have seen hopes and dreams diminished by false promises and weak leadership. everywhere i go americans are tired of being tired. many of those who are fortunate enough to have a job are working
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harder for less. for every single mom who feels heartbroken when she has to explain to her kids that she needs to take a second job and won't be home as often. for grand parents who can't afford the gas to visit their grantd children anymore. for the mom and dad who never thought they would be on food stamps. for the small business owner desperately cutting back just to keep the doors open one more month, to all of the thousands of good and decent americans i've met who want nothing more than a better chance, fighting chance. to all of you i have a simple message, hold on a little longer. a better america begins tonight. [ applause ]
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>> tonight is the start of a new campaign to unite every american who knows in their heart that we can do better. the last few years have been the best that barack obama can do. it's not the best america can do. tonight, is the beginning of the end of the disappointments of the obama years. [ applause ] >> it's the start of a new and better chapter that we will write together. there's already been a long campaign. many americans are just now beginning to focus on the choice before the country. in the days ahead, i'll look forward to spending time with many of you personally. i want to hear what's on your mind. hear about your concerns.
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i want to learn about your families. i want to know what you think we can do to make this country better and what you expect from your next president. i'll probably tell you a little bit about myself. i'll start by talking about my wife ann, of course. [ applause ] >> and i'll probably bore you with stories of my sons and grand kids. i love the country. this extraordinary land where someone like my dad who grew up poor, never graduated from college, could pursue his dreams and work his way up to running a great car company. only in america could a man like my dad would become governor of the state where he once sold paint from the trunk of his car. i'd say to you -- [ applause ] >> when i see you, i think i'll
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tell you may have heard that i was successful in business. [ applause ] >> yep, that rumor is true. you might not have heard that i became successful by helping start a business that grew from ten people to hundreds of people. you might not have heard that our business helped start other businesses like staples and the sports authority and the new steel mill and a new learning center called brighter horizons. not every business made it. there were good days and bad days. every day was a lesson. after 25 years, i know how to lead us out of this stagnant obama economy and into a job creating recovery. [ applause ]
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>> four years ago barack obama dazzled us in front of greek columns with sweeping promises of hope and change but after we came down to earth, what do we have to show for three and a half years of president obama? >> nothing. >> is it easier to make ends meet? >> no. >> is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? >> no. >> have you saved what you needed for retirement? >> no. >> are you making more at your job? >> no. >> do you have a better chance of getting a job? >> no. >> are you paying less at the pump? >> no. >> if the answer were yes president obama would be running for re-election on his record. because he has failed he will return campaign of diversions
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and distractions and distorti s distortions. they may have worked at another place and in a different time but not here and not here. it's still about the economy. we're not stupid. [ applause ] >> people are hurting in america. we know that something is wrong, terribly wrong with the direction of the country. we know that this election is about the kind of america we will live in and the kind of america we're going to leave to future generations. when it comes to the character of america, president obama and i have very different visions. government is at the center of his vision. it dispenses the benefits,
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borrows what it can't take, consumes a greater and greater share of the economy. you know with obama care fully installed, government would have control of almost half of the economy, and we would have effectively cease to be a free enterprise society. this president is putting us on path where our lives will be ruled by bureaucrats and boards, commissions and czars. he's asking us to accept that washington knows best and can provide all. we have already seen where that path leads. it erodes freedom. it deadens the entrepreneurial spirit and deadens the people it's supposed to help. those who promise to spread the word around only ever succeed in spreading poverty around. [ applause ] >> other nations have chosen that path. it leads to chronic high
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unemployment, crushing debt and stagnant wages. i have a very different vision for america and for our future. it's an america driven by freedom where free people pursuing happiness in their own unique ways create free enterprises that employ more and more americans. because there's so many enterprises that are succeeding, the komcompetition for hard working, educated, skilled employees are intense so wages and salaries rise. i see an america with a growing middle class, with rising standards of living. i see children even more successful than their parents. some successful even beyond their wildest dreams and others congratulating them for their achievement, not attacking them for it.
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[ applause ] >> this america is fundamentally fair. we will stop the unfairness of urban children being deny access to the good schools of their choice. we will stop the unfairness of politicians giving taxpayer money to their friends businesses. we will stop the unfairness of requiring union workers to contribute to politicians not of their choosing. [ applause ] >> we will stop the unfairness of government workers getting better pay and benefits in the very taxpayers they serve. [ applause ]
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>> and we will stop the unfairness of one generation passing larger and larger debts onto the next. [ applause ] >> in the america i see, character and choices matter and education, hard work and living within our means are valued and rewarded and poverty will be defeated not with a government check but with respect and achievement that's taught by parents, learned in school and practiced in the workplace. [ applause ] >> this is the america that was won for us by the nation's founders and earned for us by
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the greatest generation. it's the america that's produced the most innovative, most productive and most powerful economy in the world. as i look around at the millions of americans without work, the graduates who can't get a job, the soldiers who return home to an unemployment line, it breaks my heart. this does not have to be. it's the result of failed leadership and a faulty vision. we will restore the promises of america only if we restore the principles and opportunity that made this greatest nation earth. [ applause ] >> today the hill before us is a little steep. we've always been a nation of
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big steppers. many americans have given up on this president but they haven't ever thought of giving up on themselves, not on each other and certainly not on america. [ applause ] >> in the days ahead join me, join me in the next step toward the destination of november 6th when across america we can give a sigh of relief and know that the promise of america has been kept. the dreamers can dream a little bigger. the help wanted signs can be dusted off and we can start again. this time we'll get it right. [ applause ] >> we will -- >> mitt, mitt, mitt, mitt, mitt,
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mitt, mitt. >> we will stop the days of apologizing for success at home and never again apologize for america abroad. [ applause ] >> it was a time not so long ago when each of us could walk a little taller and stand a little straighter because we had a gift that no one else in the world shared. we were americans. that meant something different to each of us, but it meant something special to all of us. we knew it without question, and so did the world. those days are coming back. that's our destiny. [ applause ]
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>> you see, we believe in america. we believe in ourselves. our greatest days are ahead. we are afterall americans. god bless this great nation. god bless this united states of america and god bless you good people. thank you so much. thank you. [ applause ] >> mitt romney speaking to a very rowdy crowd of his supporters in new hampshire just moments ago having won connecticut, delaware, pennsylvania and rhode island primaries tonight. mr. romney there declaring in effect the primary campaign over and ending with a new assertion. there was a time not long ago when we could walk a little taller and stand straighter because we were americans. mr. romney saying those days are not true now. he has a plan to bring them back. we'll be back with reaction to
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with primaries tonight in pennsylvania, delaware, rhode island and connecticut, all being wrapped up in mitt romney's favor, polls have closed in new york as of about 24 minutes ago. mitt romney just gave a speech to a crowd in new hampshire. joining us now is steve schmidt. he's now a republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. it's always a pleasure to have you here. >> good to see you. >> this speech, it's hard to
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know on a primary night whether a speech is just another speech particularly when there's no drama. you think it was significant. >> it is significant because tonight mitt romney became the nominee. >> didn't he become the nominee six months ago. >> i think we all knew it was going to come. he declared it. he's going to be the republican nominee. i think this was by far his best speech he's given. this was an economic speech aimed contactually to the middle of the electorate. it has appeal. it's a message that united the entirety of the republican party. i thought he looked good tonight. we're going to have a tough race. it's going to be a close race. you're going to see this message, i think he previewed tonight, is going to be the architecture of the campaign he's going to try to run against the president. >> mitt romney, one of his early
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gaffes on the campaign trial was him saying i don't care about the very poor. there's safety net and if there's problems, i'll fix it. he said that. he's got that on his plate. house republicans just voted to or in the process of eliminating tens of billions of dollars of food stamps. he opens up his speech talking about people on food stamps. single mothers working two jobs and seniors who can't afford gas. these are not the people he has been talking about and not the people they have been trying to woo. >> house republicans are a political anchor. they have very low approval numbers. he's going to distance himself from the congressional republican brand. you saw him do that yesterday with student loans. what you saw today is a speech outlining how do you create prosperity in this country? how do you create opportunity?
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this is the alternative version of the speech the president gave where he outlined a progressive vision about how to create prosperity. we have big choices in this election. we have two fundamentally different philosophies i think that will be put before the american people with regard to the role, the proper role of government, how you create prosperity in the country. i think you saw mitt romney preview his. >> i totally disagree. mitt romney, even if you just look at food stamps. if do you look at the student loan thing, he's trying to run as the guy that fully embraced paul ryan. hae made an ad that made it look like paul rye yoon was running and not him. paul ryan cuts food stamps and allow interest rates to double. if there's a clear distinction, the two sides are both mitt romney. what's his position on the stuff he's now front paging? >> i think this country is
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careening down the path toward a debt crisis. it's a serious attempt deal with the country's debt problems. mitt romney, as a political matter, you will see him walk back from elements of the ryan budget over the course of the next couple of months. what he outlined tonight is a big philosophical disagreement. he's saying it's not the job of federal government or the united states to decides who gets what piece of an ever shrinking pie. we're all in this together. that everybody benefits from economic growth and the policies of the last four years haven't worked. i think that rhetorically in this speech, i think it was his best effort on any of these primary nights. i think you see the preview of an economic argument that could make him the president of the united states. >> i agree that vision, that economic vision would be the
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kind of contrast, big credible positive contrast of visions. i think that is your vision for what you'd like to hear the republicans say. it's not what mitt romney said at all tonight. i think him coming out and saying i'm the food stamps guy, if you're on food stamps and you nevering thought you would be, i'm your guy. i think it's for him to be the paul ryan guy. >> i think what he is talking about is how we grow the economy and create opportunity. he outlines the countie contourt economic line. we have disagreements. i think there's big vision about how to create prosperity and economic opportunity. i think he outlined that speech tonight. >> you're hearing it, but he's not saying. it's great to have you. steve schmidt. we have news. nbc news is projecting that mitt romney wins the gop primary in the great state of new york. shocking. i know. lots more to come including
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i don't want this to be a country where a shrinking number of americans are doing real well but a growing number of people are struggling to bget by. that's not my idea of america. i want this to be a country where everybody get a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody is playing by the same set of rules. this country has always made a commitment to put a good education within the reach of all who are willing to work for it. that's what makes us special. that's what made us an economic super power. that's what kept us at the forefront of business and science and technology and medicine and that's a commitment we have to reaffirm today in 2012. >> that was president obama speaking today at the university
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of north carolina at chapel hill. north carolina, of course, hugely important for democrats in 2012. senator obama beat john mccain back there in 2008. that was the first time a democrat carried north carolina in a presidential election since jimmy carter back in 1976. the obama-biden campaign fought very hard for every vote. you remember the night before the election in 2008, the night before the election barack obama was in north carolina. it was an outdoor speech in the rain. you may remember that mr. obama's grandmother who raised him had just passed away that morning. he addressed them with tears in his eyes that night. >> after 21 months after a campaign that has taken us from the rocky coasts of maine to the sunshine of california, we are one day away from changing
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america. one day. tomorrow at this defining moment in history, you can give this country the change that we need. you can do this right here in north carolina. >> that was the night before the election in 2008. the next day barack obama won the state of north carolina. first democratic to do it since be '70s. then he won the presidential election. this year it will be more difficult for democrats to win north carolina after going blue in 2008, they swung deeply red in 2010. it will be difficult to win there in 2012. politico.com pointing out that 40,000 young democrats who are registered to vote in 2008 have since fallen off the state's
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voter rolls. democrats are falling hard to keep the state in play. with president obama's speech there today and the democratic convention scheduled to take place the first week in september and with this big push in north carolina and everywhere, the obama campaign is eager to run that health reform that young adults can stay on health insurance until they are 26. that means that millions of young people who didn't have health insurance coverage can have it now thanks to an obama policy that mitt romney plans to get rid of. they seem eager to run against republicans trying to make it harder for college students to be able to vote. they are eager to run on having reform student loans. having gotten rid of the system where banks were a middleman in guaranteed student loans. that meant that wall street got a guaranteed taxpayer provided multibillion dollar profit for providing no service to students. the obama administration got rid of that banks in the middle
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thing. they saved tens of billions of dollars and put that money toward actual students. demonstra democrats have their case to younger voters and republicans have theirs. >> i joke and i don't mean to be flip with this because i see truth in this. i don't see how a young american can vote for a democrat. i apologize for being so offensive but i catch your attention. i mean there's some truth there. >> test time. beyond the stylistic vote for me stuff, there's something specific on which washington has to make a decision right now that applies to this political point. there's something that will make an immediate difference in the lives of millions of young people right away. something on which a decision has to be made. got to see a side. you want to see somebody refusing to pick a side. somebody refusing to make a
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decision. this was chuck todd this morning. watch this. >> mitt romney and president obama are both endorsing essentially this plan that would not allow student loan interest rates to double by the summer. where are you on this? >> well, look, i think what's happening in the state of florida, if you don't mind, chuck, i want to talk about what's happening here in the state of flflorida. >> i understand that. this is a vote you'll have to make. >> in the state of florida during this senate campaign people are concerned about their homes and jobs. >> you got to cast a vote on this issue about student loans. what vote are you going to cast? >> well, we'll take it when the vote comes up. we'll cast that vote. i'm telling you people that are watching, if they're in florida, they're concerned about jobs and the economy and how we're going to balance a budget with a $16 trillion debt and a 1.4 trillion
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deficit. this is what people are talking about. >> you don't think anything is concerned with student loan interest rate? >> we will absolutely be able to cast a vote and when that happies we'll be happy to do so. >> what will your happy vote be? avoid the question much. republicans do have a position on this. in 2007 student loan rates got cut this half. it was a five-year bill that did that. the five years are up as of this summer. if that doesn't get extended, everybody student loan rates will pop back up. they're going to double. should everybody's student loan rates double or shouldn't they. you have to pick a side on this. the republican position has been that everybody student loan rates should double. the house republican paul ryan budget which mitt romney has signed onto would allow the student loan rate to double. that's not great way to get students to vote for you, which the democrats seem to understand very well. >> one republican congresswoman
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said she had very little tolerance for people who tell me they graduate with debt because there's no reason for that. i'm just quoting here. i'm just quoting. she said students who rack up student loan debt are just sitting on their butts having opportunity dumped in your lap. i'm reading it here. i didn't make this up. now, can you imagine saying something like that? >> somebody the audience, according to the transcript said they trusted him. if you don't trust him and you want to know, this is what the president was referring to. >> i have very little tolerance for people who tell me that they
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graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt because there's no reason for that. i remind folks all the time that the declaration of independence says life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. you don't sit on your butt and have it dumped in your lap. >> that was virginia fox of north carolina. there was president obama today in her north carolina backyard pointing out that's what she thinks of you if you have student loan debt. sitting on your butt and having opportunity dumped in your lap. as the democrats try to win north carolina again, as they try to win young voters again as a means to that end, as mitt romney returns to new hampshire to try to start the campaign over again, what the media has to decide and what voters have to decide and in what voters who care about policy will have to decide is what the real choice is here because before now, mitt
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romney was signed on to the paul ryan plan. paul ryan plan would decimate food stamps. tonight in his big speech, he gave it as if he's the candidate of moms and dads who never thought they would be on food stamps. you're either the guy that wants to cut it or you're the candidate of people on food stamps. even if you just look at the specific issue of student loans, before now he was with the republicans he was signed on to the paul ryan budget. he want student loan rates to double this summer. this has been his position through the primaries. anybody picking him in the primaries was picking that policy position. if you vote for mitt romney, is that in fact the policy you would be voting for? doubling student loan rates. that's where he says he's been all along. would you be voting for that or would you be voting for this new guy who is the guy running for office this week? >> i fully support the effort to
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mitt romney. it was thought that newt gingrich's best shot at any of these states might be in the state of delaware. these are the results that we got from delaware at this hour. 98% of precincts reporting mr. gingrich trailing mr. romney by 30 points. it was thought that mr. gingrich said if he could avoid a blow out in delaware that that might be his best justification for staying in the race. we'll keep you posted. stay with us bp. dget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate.
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as gas prices stay high, both political parties here in the united states continue to blame each other. democrats say oil companies shouldn't be getting tax subsidies and that financiers who speculate on oil prices in some cases are manipulating the market for their own benefit. republicans, on the other hand, say that democrats could be using some magic wand to bring gas prices down, but the democrats don't want to do that, because communism, or something. birth certificate. but in the real world of extracting oil from the ground and selling it on the international market, something really interesting has just happened. the number one oil exporter in the middle east is, of course, saudi arabia. the number two oil exporter in the middle east and third in the world is iran. and 90% of the oil that iran exports comes through this
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place. this is kark island. it's off the coast of iran, way out in the persian gulf. 90% of iran's oil exports go through the oil terminal on kark island. and the oil terminal on kark island has reportedly just been hit with a devastating computer virus. reports over this past weekend that kark and iran's other oil facilities have had the plug pulled. they've had to be totally disconnected from the internet since the attack. although no official iranian media is confirming it, the websites of the iranian oil ministry and the national oil company were reportedly down for hours and an oil ministry spokesperson has been quoted as saying that the virus wiped important data off of servers. they have put up a crisis committee to confront this virus. a civil defense official describing this virus as a cyberattack. iran, of course, the under intense international pressure because of its nuclear program, which iran insists is just for
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nuclear program, and which the rest of the world insists is for nuclear bombs. to pressure iran, the international community has been employing every bit of pressure that other countries have against the republic. iran is almost wholly economic independent on its ability to sell oil internationally. sanctions this year have focused on getting even more countries to refuse to buy iran's oil. but are western efforts to stop iran from iselling its oil also shutting down iran's technical ability to do that? and if so, an act of force like that, is that war. is that a kind of war. and if the west is waging that kind of war now, also with the stuxnet worm that attacked iran's nuclear centrifuges a couple of years ago, and conceivably what just happened this past weekend at charg island, if the west is waging that kind of war now, does that
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mean we should expect that kind of war to be waged against the west as well. joining us now for the interview is richard clark. he was the nation's first special adviser to the president for cybersecurity. he's also the nation's former counterterrorism chief. his book, "cyberwar: the next threat to national security and what to do about it" is just out in paperback and it's great. richard clarke, good to see you. >> glad to be back. >> thinking about that iranian oil terminal, thinking about stuxnet, is cyberwar a way that countries are waging war with each other now? >> i think it's certainly a way that the united states is attacking iran. you could call it cyberwar, which i did, or you could do what i think people in washington do and call it covert action. it's not really important whether we call it a war or not. it's true that the united states and probably israel are engaged in cyberactivities against iran. and what happened on kharg probably was either the united states or israel attacking the
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digital control systems of the refinery. just as people could do that to our refineries. and this is the concern. we have kind of crossed the rubicon. we've made it okay by doing it. we destroyed a thousand centrifuges in iran through a cyberattack. but then the software that we used, 50,000 lines of code, very complicated attack escaped into cyberspace. and people downloaded it all over the world. so people now know how to do it. not just nation states, but hackers have these 50,000 lines of code. and yeah, it's entirely possible people will attack us. nation states, terrorist groups, individual hackers. and this is what the debate in congress is about this week. where there's a bipartisan bill in the senate to do something about improving the standards of protection, for power plants, for oil refineries, for things that they call critical
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infrastructure. and the chamber of commerce and the republicans in the house are opposing creating standards of protection, because they say it's regulation. this is an example, rachel, of knee-jerk right-wing ideology getting in the way solving real problems. >> is this type of offense and defense something about which we should think of ourselves as having the same kind of advantage militarily that we have in traditional military means? i mean, the united states spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined on traditional military resources. we think of ourselves as having an almost unbeatable military capacity, despite all of the things that we've been involved in, right? do we have that kind of advantage when it comes to this kind of war? >> no, we don't. and you know, we're both red sox fans, so let me make the analogy. what if the red sox had a killer lineup of hitters that could just slug it over the green monster, but had no bull pen? that's kind of where we are.
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we have a tremendous offensive capability, as the united states military and intelligence community. we cannot defend this country today. and so we are having cyberattacks every day that succeed. they don't destroy things, they steal things. there's a massive transfer of intellectual property, of research and development. massive transfer from american companies and government labs to china. and the government is doing nothing to stop it. largely because the congress won't set up laws and regulations that allow the government to defend the united states. >> richard clarke, the book is "cyberwar: the next threat to national security and what to do about it." it's just out in paperback. it was a "new york times" best seller in hardback. and we were talking before the break, this is something that has changed the discussion both in policy making circles and those of us that are just interested in national security. congratulations on the success of this so far. nice to see you again. >> and congratulations on your
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