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evolution as he just declared is nonexistant. "the ed show" starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" tonight from new york. the polls have closed in indiana. nbc declares richard murdock. now, the democrats have a shot at beating the tea partier. we'll have results tonight. mitt romney is lying again. detroit is roaring back and mitt says he's responsible. this is "the ed show." let's get twork. >> i'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry has come back. >> mitt romney has reached another al time low lying to america about his record on the
auto loan. >> that's what the president did. that was the right course i argued for through the begin. >> we'll end any doubt about mitt romney's lie. >> congress needs to keep student loan rates for doubling for student who is are here and all across the country. >> senate republicans defie the will of the people and vote to double the interest rates on student loans. >> they don't like that. they'd heard about this. catholic bishops sent a letter to republicans about their war on the poor. howard dean is here. rick burg is running for senate in north dakota. he's rich beyond belief but he has no idea what the minimum wage is. >> what is the minimum wage right now in north dakota? >> you know this guy would know. good to have you with us. mitt romney, one of american
automobile industry to lose millions of jobs and suck $100 billion out of economy. thankfully, the obama administration didn't follow romney's path. now the candidate for the republicans is trying to rewrite history. >> i pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy and finally when that was done and help was given the companies got back on their feet. i'll take a lot of credit that this industry has come back. >> the obama campaign responded. there's been a lot of unbelievable statements during the campaign but this may be the most preposterous of them all. this is the first time mitt romney claimed credit for the automobile rescue. it's not the first time he made it sound like it was his idea all along. >> the president ultimately did what i suggested, going through a managed bankruptcy process. >> he wrote a now famous op-ed of the new york times but he's hoping we all forget what he wrote months ago.
he called for detroit to go bankrupt and said if the government loaned money to the automobile makers, you can kiss the american automotive industry good-bye. it wouldn't go overnight but the demise would be virtually guaranteed. he wanted a massive restructuring of detroit. >> there's no question, but if you just write a check that you're going to see these companies go out of business ultimately. instead we have to help the companies restructure the stay in business but restructure. shed the unnecessary costs. make them competitive with the transplants and foreign cars and by virtue of doing that make sure they stay in business long term. >> the auto loan was a major risk for the obama administration, but it worked. the economist magazine apologized for supporting romney's idea of a managed bankruptcy. they realized the plan was nothing but a flop. they wrote the credit markets were bone dry making the
privately financed bankruptcy that mr. romney favored improbable. the bankruptcy judge said the same thing. the record before the court was clear. there were no other sources of lending. even other republicans have seen the light. congressman fred upton of michigan supports mitt romney but he says he doesn't agree with the candidate's approach to the automobile industry. >> there was no one that was willing to come up with not only with the catch to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone. you and i that drive all these cars, there was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government. there were real strings attached. the money be paid back with interest. that's still happening. >> he was willing to laugh about it in an answer. he said no one was willing to come up with the cash to make
romney's plan work. that's the bottom line including rom nene romney's old company bain capital. they turned down the chance to provide lines. his proposal was a failure. the republican party knows it. even his old company bain capital know it. romney says he deserves credit for the auto industry success. he wants credit because president obama did the right thing. it's really eating mitt romney up. the president knew it wasn't a popular decision at the time, but he knew it was the only thing to do. >> i don't want to run auto companies. i don't want to run banks. i've got two wars i've got to run already. i've got more than enough to do. the sooner we can get out of that business, the better off we're going to be. >> you be the judge. who was correct and who's the winner?
the government didn't get into car business. they floated a loan. not a bailout. it's being paid back with the interest meaning the united states treasury is going to make money on it. don't you like that mitt? more than one million jobs were saved in 2010. the loans were prevented nearly $97 billion in personal income losses. chrysler sales, where are they? they're up more than 26%. general motor sales are up more than 13%. 115,000 jobs have been added. mitt romney has a paper trail a mile long to show he's not on the right side of history on this story and now he wants to take credit for it. romney was in lansing, michigan today. he didn't say a word about the automobile industry. really, in their own backyard. he didn't have nothing to say. he knows he's not telling the truth and he knows he really gets the credit on the other side of the aisle.
that's president obama for saving the automobile industry. joining me tonight is howard fineman. i know you have spent some time with the romney campaign. how do they expect this story to play out in the long haul? are we going to keep hearing mitt romney say it was his plan that saved the automobile industry? >> i said i'm going on "the ed show." tell me what to say. tell me what your line is. i think one of the interesting points you make is that candidate romney in lansing, michigan didn't really pursue the line that he was responsible for saving the auto industry. afterall in terms of the general election, what we're really talking about are three states, michigan, ohio and pennsylvania. the very guts of industrial
america that is up for grabs in the election. if mitt romney was really going to seriously argue that he deserved credit for the current great state of the auto industry then he would have done it in lansing. he talked about his nostalgic remembrance of oldsmobile. what the people told me is he argued for managed bankruptcy and government guarantees and that was enough to help. what mitt romney said in his statement the other day is that help was given. remember that? you used that sound bite. help was given. the help that was given was government money. it was government loans. that specifically the part of the equation that mitt romney opposed. there's no way around it. >> there is no way around it. there were no funding sources that were out there.
the economy was in the deep -- it was in peril. we were on the verge of tipping over as an economy. bain capital wouldn't do it. there were no banks out there in the position to do it. if the obama administration was going to save millions of jobs and the ripple effect that would have had it with rubber and plastic and glass and the electronics industry, the only person that could step up was going to be the american taxpayer. why is romney in denial of this? he wanted somebody to come in and pay ten cents on a dollar and do a deal while millions of middle class families would have been butchered. >> their point of view is he argued for managed bankruptcy. they are leaving the loans out of equation. the reason that mitt romney made the claim that he did is that he can't afford to give up on the idea that he understands the
auto industry. he's sympathetic to the auto industry. his father was a self-made executive in the industry. he's from it. he's from michigan. a big part of his narrative is about his family's background in business. a big part of that business was automobiles. he can't afford to be out of the discussion altogether. i think that's probably why he tried this ploy. obviously, if they felt it was a winner, they would have done it in michigan today. >> i think you're right. the fact is, do you think that voters are going to see through this? are they going to buy this? >> well, i think they're going to have to study the details. probably not. if mitt romney is going to make this point, he's got to follow up on it. he's got to show why private capital was going to come in and save the auto industry. they don't offer the, the romney
campaign doesn't offer any evidence of that. romney used the passive terminology, help was given. yes, help was given by the federal government. it wasn't given by the private sector. if he's going to pursue it, he's got to really pursue it. otherwise, he's going to look foolish having raised this to begin with. i think the challenge to the romney campaign, i'm here talking to their people. i want to know what they are up to, if they're going to pursue this, really pursue it. we didn't see it on day two. we'll see if we see it on day three. >> in the rust belt, i've had labor leaders tell me that's the bread basket of the election. if this is his ploy to get the middle class families to see it his way that he really is the guy that saved the automobile industry, he'sgoing to have to throw a lot of at that. that's going to be a tough sale. you can't eat p.r.
that's the bottom line. if the obama administration had said, okay, we're going to go, somebody got ten cents on a dollar, we'll absolutely destroy and start from the bottom up. we might get out of the manufacturing business when it comes to cars and never compete again. that's what romney wanted. i think the american voter is going to realize this and this puts, this comment today and tb way the romney campaign is handling this, howard, this is just shoving people right into the obama camp. this is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? >> what i would say is if rom and his campaign are going to raise this claim, and it's only may, it's so important to our understanding of what's happened the last couple of years, then they're going to have to follow up on it. if they don't at least attempt to prove their case in a serious
way, then when voters really get down to deciding, then they'll reject it. having raised it, the mitt romney campaign has to pursue it. if they don't pursue it they're going to look not only foolish, i wouldn't use the term lie. if you're going to make the claim, back it up. >> if you could go back to the romney campaign, if you're going to see them later tonight or tomorrow, just say you were on "the ed show" and ed is looking for the funding sources to be listed by the romney campaign. the people that got screwed that didn't get chance to do it because the government came in with tax dollars and saved it. >> i'll ask them for that list. if i get it, i'll e-mail and you can put it on the air. >> all right. great to have you with us. coming up, history is being made in wisconsin as the state holds recall primary election to choose a democrat to replace
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good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" from madison, wisconsin. here we are because they are here. workers, wisconsinites, americans under assault protesting peacefully in the greatest of american traditions. >> welcome back to "the ed show." that was the height of governor scott walker's attack on working men and women.
protests were abound nearly 15 months ago. it really is politically amazing how residents of that state have maintained a laser focus on change. they have not lost one bit of intensity. it's the eye of the storm of democracy in america. 15 months later we have seen the recall of state senators. millions of people signing petitions to recall scott walker and tens of millions of dollars pouring in from all over america to support and try to save a radical governor. today democrats took the next big step to choose a challenger to walker in the june 5th recall election. today is wisconsin's first gubernatorial recall primary. in less than an hour polls will close and one of four democrats will be chosen to go up against scott walker on june 5th. let's turn to john nichols. he wrote a book about the last 15 months in wisconsin. it's a heck of a read. it's "uprisine ing"uprising."
. this starts the big ground in the next month. characterize what you have seen today. >> there's an element of poetry to it. i was in small towns. i saw people coming out of polling places and pumping their fist in the air. many of them wore their solidarity t-shirts. people were bringing this movement to the polls. there were a lot of them. we don't have a clear signal on what the turn out is yet although it's been said to be steady around high. in my own precinct where i vote, there had been a 300% increase on the turnout. there's a lot of enthusiasm out there. >> this is just the democratic
primary. >> there is a republican primary too. governor walker was campaigning as if it was election day for him too. he made three appearances. did a lot of talk radio. i think he's concerned that there will be a high democratic turn out and not so good a republican one he was really trying to pump it up today. >> there's a lot of talk about democratic unity after tonight and there was rally scheduled for tomorrow. what happened with that? is that going to take place? >> there will be democratic unity events tomorrow. governor walker and his people have been making a big deal about some sort of division. let's be honest, people are going to have to come together. it is important to understand, i was with tom barrett who is the presumed front-runner. i talked to him about that. he will be meeting tomorrow with leaders of unions that did not back him. they have a big meeting set.
they invited him. i think you've going to see a surprising amount of unity tomorrow. i also saw, this is the thing. this is not merely about unions or candidates or parties. when i walked with tom barrett on the street today coming through a neighborhood that might have been more supportive of one of his opponents, everyone had one phrase, it was 110%. people said they voted for him and people that said they voted for anybody somebody else, they said if you're the nominee, i'm behind you 110%. i think they will have a high level of unity. >> i think the paul ryan budget and the chairman of house budget committee is from wisconsin and come out with a radical plan that many people are rejecting across the country, in some way i think this is really helped the democrats focus in the state of wisconsin on priorities.
your take on that. >> it's exactly right. it started in february of 2011. at those rallies, those events that you saw, but it's extended through the spring of 2011 when paul ryan came into focus. there was a dawning realization that just as in europe where there's so much concern about attacks on labor unions and public services that in america we have politicians that believe in this radical austerity agenda. as they push it forward, i think citizens are waking up to the fact that it's real threat not just to their own jobs, if they are public employees but also to growth it. to job growth it. there's realization. >> i want to get your take on the breaking news that the oldest and longest serving republican senator for the republicans in the senate richard luger was defeated after
36 years by some call radical. your thoughts on that. how big is this? >> this is a huge deal. it's a huge deal for the world. he was the face of bipartisan in this u.s. senate. if there was an issue with africa, with southern asia, he would step in. russ finegold used to say the person he could always go to, the republican he could go to was richard. his defeat signals the real transformation of the republican party where bipartisan is no longer allowable within that party. it's a big deal. it's a troubling development. >> troubling development i think for the republicans, but maybe an opening for the democrats which we'll talk about later on.
great to have you with us. president obama is making the case to keep student loans low while the republican filibuster the bill. former virginia governor will weigh in. a republican senate candidate is asked about the minimum wage. he doesn't have a clue. he doesn't have an answer and neither does his staff. we have the video. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink? ♪
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the numbers are the numbers. big business in america is doing just fine. 2011 was a record year. a record year for record profits for the top 500 companies. the fortune 500 list shows corporate america's profits increased more than 16% from last year with companies raking in more than $824 billion. exxon tops the list. meanwhile, the number of americans living below the poverty line has hit a high. with 46 million americans living in poverty, the national poverty rate has gone up to 15.1% in 2010. that's the highest it's been since 1993. with corporate america raking in the profits and more and more folks falling below the poverty line don't you think keeping interest rates low for students would be a no brainer. it's a way to grow the economy,
grow the middle class. it's way to grow a lot of things isn't it? here is paul ryan explaining why he would not consider closing corporate tax loopholes to offset student loans. >> wuld you support closing corporate tax o loopholes to pay for that? >> nope. well i support closing tax loopholes for tax reform. let because that's more spending. let's cut spending that is lower priority spending to address it. >> there's the thought leader of the republican party when it comes to the budget. he is peddling the same old tired ideas. if congress doesn't do something by july, student loans and interest rates will double costing students as much as $1,000 per year in additional interest. who's side are you on? president obama was at the university of albany in upstate new york making the case for students and growing the
economy. >> before they do anything else, congress needs to keep student loan rates for doubling for student who is are here and all across the country. congress just needs to work out the details. don't let politics get in the way. get this done before july 1st. >> republicans aren't budging. senator republicans filibustered the loans bill. let's turn to former vermont governor. your pretty busy. >> all of them full-time. >> everybody wants to know what you think and so do i. what the heck is going on? we have record profits in corporate america. we had 26 months of job growth but we have a lot of americans falling below the poverty line and the republicans on the
student loan issue want to push people further into debt. your take. >> this is what the problem is. this is why the republicans are going to lose the election. i think there's a reasonable chance that if the president wins fairly decently, democrats can take over the house which is necessary. here is what they do. they don't care about the average working american. all they care about is the corporations that are giving them money to put them in the office. who are they going to serve? you have to pay for the exxon cut taxes. you'll make ordinary college students pay 1,000 a year. there's not enough money to help college students help pay their bills but there's enough money to give exxon a tax break. >> you have the business world blaming president obama's policy but corporate america seems to be doing just fine. as we move forward, this is probably one of the best cases
that the obama campaign can play and they can't make it up. it's right there. the republicans are right there wanting to make it harder on the 20-somethings in this country and throw another $1,000 death on them a year. >> the american voters are not stupid. these guys are going to pay for this. they are on the side of the 1% and the president is mostly on the side of the 99% the be 99% is a lot better number when 1% when you're running someplace in the poll. i don't think this works. they want to tell women what to do in their personal lives. they don't like latino. they want to take money out of college students pockets. their priorities are not the right priorities for america. >> they hate labor and want right to work laws all over the country. the catholic bishops have sent another letter criticizing the
house gops and the republicans sited the catholic bishops when it came to contraception. are they going to listen to them on this one? >> they don't care what the catholic bishops say. they pretend they do, but they don't. they don't care what anybody says except for themselves and the corporate masters like the koch brothers. they have one master, and that's money. >> do you think this will help the democrats with the demographic of the 20-somethings? >> the problem we have, they're not going to vote for the republicans. the problem we have is making sure they vote for the democrats. this is a new generation that's grown up with every kind of america you can think of. if your platform is i don't like muslims, gays, i don't like women.
you're not likely to success under 35s. the question is will they turn out as they have in the past. >> always a pleasure to have you "the ed show." there's a lot more coming up. stay with us. american manufactures are creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s. >> the manufacturing jobs are coming back, but now fwheed the workers. >> we're making a national commitment to train two million americans with skills they need to get a job right now. >> leo gerard on president obama's plan to train skilled workers. the republican war on public education takings another ugly turn. we'll have the latest from pennsylvania. fat cats in congress str no clue what it's like in the real world. tonight, we'll introduce you to rick burg. >> do you know what the minimum wage is? this man is about to be the millionth customer.
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american manufactures are creating jobs for the first time since the late 199s. that's good for you and the businesses that supply the materials that you use. it's good for the construction workers that build the facilities. it's good for the communities where people are buying more houses and spending money at restaurants. everybody benefits. >> as president obama mentioned, american manufacturing is on the rebound. since january 2010, the manufacturing sector has added almost 500,000 jobs and manufacturers are adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy. a lack of skilled workers could stall the return of american manufacturing. president obama announced his solution to the problem back in february. >> i hear from business leaders all the time who want to hire in
the united states, but at the moment they cannot always find workers with the right skills. that's why we're making a national commitment to train two million americans with skills they need to get a job right now. we also need to give more community colleges the resources they need to become community career centers, places where folks can learn the skills that local businesses are looking for right now from data management to high-tech manufacturing. >> the president wants to spend $8 billion to train two million workers to help close what is known as the skill gap. the problem is his plan needs congressional approval and republicans have proved they are not interested in investing in american workers. bill clinton is the only president that invested in education and worker training. ronald reagan and both bushes failed to do so and today's republicans are no different. let's turn now to leo gerard.
good to have you with us tonight. if you could explain this skill gap that we're talking about. also, does the president's plan, would it fix it? >> let me say i'm proud of the president and proud of the fact that he acknowledges that the way out of this mess is by manufacturing and making things. yes, absolutely, the president's plan would lead us in the right direction and help fill the skills gap. we have a skills gap because certainly as ronald reagan, republicans have been cutting back on training and community college funding and cutting back on that support and we've had almost 30 years of people on wall street, the already elite, the already powerful saying manufacturing didn't matter. the future was many banking and services. we found what the '08 collapse that just wasn't true. the future is by making things, giving people real skills so they can make things. i think the president is in
absolute the right agenda. you hit it right on the head when you pointed out that the republicans have done everything they can to keep the 20-somethings and the 30-somethings and the 40-somethings and the 50-somethings from getting a job. >> technical schools should be booming. congress hasn't been eager to help them out. you can go right to the interest rates on students. you would think if they lower the interest rate, it would make it easier. do you see republicans in the next few years turning their attitude when it comes to manufacturing? >> i think what you're going to see is when this election cycle is over later this year, i think you're going to see republicans taking a very heavy toll at the ballot box for the kind of things that you and howard dean were talking about. the young people that want to
get the skills and go to school, refusing to cut their interest rates. remind people that it was president obama that took the student loan business away from the banks and saved billions of dollars. let me make this point. the reality is that when i was in high school we had vocational shops. we were told when we were in high school that if you wanted to work with your hands, you can make real living. when i travel around the kun trip and ask are your kids getting training in high school. most of them say the high schools have eliminated those programs. we laid off 300,000 students that we need to give the students the skills. you can make money operating a backhoe. you can make money welding. you can go from being a machinist to being an engineer. those skills have to be brought back and the republicans, ed, much, to i think everyone's
disappointment are doing everything they can to make sure this president isn't able to win by creating jobs. he's winning in spite of them. we've had more job growth under his leadership than we had since the early to mid '90s. good to have you with us tonight. great to have you on board. a millionaire republican congressman is asked about minimum wage. the top academic performers surprised some people. so did the country that came in 17th place. let's raise the bar and elevate our academic standards. let's do what's best for our students-by investing in our teachers. let's solve this.
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too much here. i really believe that if you're running for the united states senate, you ought to know what the current minimum wage is. meet rick burg. he's running in north dakota. when asked what the current minimum wage is, rick berg didn't have an answer. worse yet, neither did his staff. >> take a look. >> what is the minimum wage right now? >> you know, this guy would know. i think it's probably seven something. >> okay. >> they don't have minimum wage for waitress. >> okay. >> do you fwhee the minimum wage is in north dakota now? >> up on the prairie they just hate those trick questions. for the record, it's $7.25 an
hour, which is also the current minimum wage in the state of north dakota. berg didn't always lack knowledge on the subject matter here because as a state legislature he voted against raising the minimum wage, count them, three times. he voted against a bill that would require government contractors to pay workers a living wage. he isn't completely against the idea of wage increases. in fact, he's voted to raise salary of state lawmakers. god for bid if romney gets in but don't you think this guy would be good for romney administration official. they sure think alike. they know about as much. next, radical republican governors aren't letting up on their assault of public education. we talk about how they are getting away with it. that's next. makeup artists have everything to make my skin look its best.
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more on the republican assault. that's exactly what it is, an assault on public education in this country. last week we told you about pennsylvania's work city district which is struggling to close a $19 million budget deficit thank to the governor's billion dollar cuts to public education. earlier this year we talked about pennsylvania's chester upland school district where teachers volunteered to work for nothing when the schools ran out of money. when of those teachers ended up in the state of the union address. people are paying attention to what's happening in public education. i've communicated with the teachers and administrators to do the story trying to bring you the very latest on what's happening. we've had difficulty getting people to come on this program and talk about the effects of tom corbitt's cuts.
teachers and administrators seem reluctant to talk. this is how republicans get away with vilifying teachers and attacking them in this country. they know they can get away with targeting educators. teachers are not generally experts at working the media. their profession is to help people, teach them. not to go on television and wage public fights. thousands of teachers are losing their jobs because of these cuts so they become more reluctant to speak out for fear that they won't get hired back some day.
the problem is the bottom line. should be tho success money and we're throwing way too much money at it so we got to cut it. they become afraid to talk. maybe it will cause too many problems for them down the road. it's really sad. it's a safe haven for republicans to attack workers. ruth joins me from milwaukee, wisconsin. wisconsin is another state where teachers have been targeted by the republican party. do teachers feel like they are under attack? >> i think they feel demoralized by that story line that bad
teachers are the problem that somehow younger teachers that are paid less could do a better job. today is national teacher appreciation day. your timing is wonderful. i think we should give a shout out to all those great public school teachers out there who are digging in their own pockets to buy supplies and still teaching our kids and doing a great job. >> we've had several hundred thousands of those teachers lose their job. leo gerard said we lost 300,000 teachers. i find it hard to believe they are all incompetent. there's massive cuts being taken in public education vilified by these radical governors. they have become political pawns. who is speaking up for them. how do they fight back? how do they get it done? >> here in wisconsin we saw the teachers marched out first to
oppose the politics. i think it's really changed the story line a bit. we laerdheard a lot about schoo choice. we heard about how bad teachers are the problem. i think the more they beat up on teachers, the more people said we love our school teachers and they don't live a luxurious life. there are these draconian cuts. they affect all of us. in pennsylvania, $860 million in cuts. they are talking about now cutting baseball, volleyball, freshman track. next year they are looking at guidance counselors. communities don't like that. we start to look at this and say we value our schools. we value our teachers. we want a better future for our kids. >> public education has been an american value, but for some reason it's become a political football and target for one party that wants to give tax breaks to corporations to give
tax breaks to the wealthiest 1 and 2% in this country. they have to find the money somewhere and reduce the obligation so they might go to the poor school district this is this country. what are poor school districts going to do. go raise the property taxes? they can't do that. the funding source of education will be in the balance here in this next election cycle in the next two-year political cycle, don't you think? >> i do. in pennsylvania, the poorest school district in the nation in redding, pennsylvania is taking the biggest cut per pupil. about a thousands dollars. the wealthier school districts are looking at $100. that's because they are eliminated the formula. the people who need it the most are paying the most dearly for these cuts. it's really just morally wrong. >> good to have you with us. ks