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"the ed show" starts right now. >> good evening, the polls have closed in indiana. nbc declares richard murdock. now, the democrats have a shot scott walker is trailing in the wisconsin impose trade if the gop has spent 7% pump some $80 million in wisconsin so far this year. scott walker is fighting for his life, and the money is not going to stop coming in as june 5th approaches.
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scott walker is trailing in the wisconsin impose trade if the gop has spent 7% pump some $80 million in wisconsin so far this year. scott walker is fighting for his life, and the money is not going to stop coming in as june 5th approaches. i am joined by the winner of the primary, tom barrett, the democratic candidate in the recall election against scott walker. congratulations on your victory tonight. i was seeing how much you have been attacked by scott walker. that might have helped you in this democratic runoff. >> they obviously had single me out early on.
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they tried to keep me out of the race. he has raised $25 million to buy $1 million. the most recent poll shows me with a one-point lead over scott walker. he can get all of his out of state money. it seems to have no impact, but our challenge is to get out there in the last 27 games and get our message across. we will not be able to fix wisconsin as long as god walker is president . we invite them to take a look at it. this will be a wild and crazy 27 days. >> are you going to compete against the money? >> i think that people of wisconsin are starting to understand what is calling on. the sitting governor has to raise 60 to 70% from out of state and have a criminal defense fund. that raises a lot of questions. this is from a governor who has presided over a state who has
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lost more jobs than any other state in the country. he has divided the state, and people understand that. what i would do as governor of wisconsin is focus on creating jobs here. i have no interest in becoming a rock star like scott walker. he loves making those fund-raising speeches from the country. >> tom barrett with us here tonight. he has won the democratic primary. i want to offer this invitation to you. i've liked to have a debate on the edge show for a full hour with you and governor scott walker. we go along with that? >> you know i would. i would be happy to do that. the more i have a chance to talk to the people of wisconsin directly, because he specializes in these 30-second drive-by shootings, these negative act. we have our web site, youtube stuff, but we have to get out on the tube as well.
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>> they have set their sights on you. in a statement tonight, tom barrett's failed record in milwaukee has been a serious concern throughout his contentious primary, and tonight, many democrats show they are still not convinced he is the right candidate to challenge governor scott walker. how do you respond to their attacks? your city of milwaukee has taken more budget cutbacks than any other city. is that correct? >> that is absolutely correct. it doesn't surprise me that he is calling to attack us. he knows that he ran on a platform of creating 250,000 new jobs. he decided to ignite an ideological civil war in the state by going after workers' rights. he knows that this economy was losing jobs in 2,011.
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it's on the web site. look at that they will see all of the arguments. we need to continue to make those arguments. >> are you going to be able to bring together all of the democratic voters after a tough primary fight? are you going to be able to get all of ford renascence on board? will they support you, and you need their support? >> i am fairly confident. i want to have support from all the people who ran for this office and all of their supporters. we are very, very confident we will have a unified front. all parts of the democratic party will be united because we know how important it is to move wisconsin forward. we can fix wisconsin as long as spot worker is governor. >> the standing offer from the edge show is there.
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i will take the show on the road to any location in wisconsin to do a one-hour debate with you and scott walker. i am not holding my breath. i am sure scott walker will go face-to-face with me, but maybe sean hennessey, i will show up. >> i am up for that. >> let's have some fun with the facts. that's what i say. great to have you with us. a statement tonight saying that they were unified behind mayor barrett, the winner tonight. they had supported kathleen falk. she had quite a bit of support going into the runoff tonight. unification was a big issue. that seems to be smoothed out quickly. now let's turn to john nichols, washington correspondent for the nation magazine and author of the book of pricing. your analysis of what unfolded tonight.
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>> tom barrett had a remarkable victory tonight. it was unprecedented. he is running at about 55% of the vote. more significantly, if you look at the statewide math, tom barrett looks to be winning about 70 of the 72 counties. he is winning in the north, south, east, west, urban and suburban and rural areas. he did very, very well. i have one note. scott walker's republican primary turnout, he worked very hard to turn republicans out, is roughly parallel to the democratic turnout. this is a dead heat battle. the republicans are mobilized. democrats are as well. >> this is historic in political terms. this is the only third recall in the history of united states. what are you hearing? they will support tom barrett.
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will this come quickly and there won't be any broken noses over all of this, so to speak? >> i am speaking to you from the hotel where tom barrett's victory rally will be. as i walked out to talk to you, i passed one of the top players in the service employees union, which was an incredibly strong backer of kathleen falk. he was walking into tom barrett's rally. he had a smile on his face. the problem is that the unions are going to be, i think they will be mostly on board tomorrow, probably by tomorrow morning. >> north carolina for just a moment, if an inmate. voters approved an amendment to ban gay marriage in the state of north carolina. what does that mean, if te onor carolina? >> it means nothing.
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these are hot button issues. the democrats of north carolina actually won a victory by having this scheduled with the primary rather than in november. this is an issue that right wingers used to try to mobilize their base. in wisconsin, to use an example, in 2006, wisconsin voted to ban same-sex marriage. in 2008, barack obama swept wisconsin. these issues do not translate from a primary election to a general election. >> it will be an interesting month leading up to the june 5th recall alexian in wisconsin. pinkie so much. >> coming up, indiana senator, richard lugar is lost in his primary tonight. we will show you how far the right wingers went to get this done. and later, american manufacturing is coming back. the american refusal to invest in american workers have left us
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with a shortage of qualified workers. leo gerard will join me for the conversation. we are right back.
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you won't believe how right wingers -- details next. detroit is on a rebound thanks to the auto loans. mitt romney is trying to take credit for it. howard fineman joins me for that conversation. the assault on public education has reached a new low. what are some teachers scared to speak out? my commentary ahead. share your thoughts on twitter using the #and show. we are right back.
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>> welcome back to the ed show. the longest serving senator in indiana history. richard lugar has been rejected by his own party. he was defeated in a republican primary by state treasurer, richard murdock. he was able to successfully tied lugar to president obama. he won in vienna in 2008, the first democrat to do so in over 40 years. the state has considered a solid red opportunity in this year's election for the republicans. lugar supported both of president obama's supreme court nominees. he voted to raise the debt ceiling. mat was enough to mobilize tea party groups and other right wingers. outside conservative groups helped as well. just another sign of how far the right the republican party has
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actually gone. as the new yorker point out, lugar is the eighth most liberal republican currently serving in the senate 3 years ago he was the 29th most liberal senate. he toed the line to the party that sent him packing. >> i want to see a republican in the white house. i want to see my friend, mitch mcconnell, have a republican majority in the senate. i hope that richard murdock prevails in november so we can contribute to the republican majority in the senate. >> joe donnelly of indiana is running for the senate and will face richard murdock in november. good to have you with us. >> what is this and dick lugar lost mean tonight for
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republicans in the state of indiana and what does it do to your prospects of winning that senate seat? >> for moderate republicans and independents and what i call people with future common sense, senator lugar has been someone who has worked across the aisle and try to do what is right for the country. he is somebody we have taken a great deal of pride in. what happened tonight just shows how extreme some of the things that are going on here, for instance, richard murdock was the fellow who actually led the effort to try to liquidate chrysler into. there is a very clear contrast. we fought for jobs. he has tried to destroy them. when you look at that, it only helps success here. >> do you think the republican party has gone that far to the right or the state of indiana? >> there has been two polls that
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i know of, one independent poll, and it was a dead heat with richard mota. the internal poll says we are six points ahead of him. we are about common sense, job creation, opportunity for success and about bipartisanship. richard murdock has said, and it's amazing to hear, he says he supports more confrontation. only in washington and in his world is more partisanship and division a good thing. richard lugar try to work together. the cost of that, in large measure, he lost the primary. >> here is mr. murdoch and what he had to say earlier tonight. >> dress yesterday, when elected a socialist. there are those in the administration and on the left side of the democratic party that were cheering that, but we will not stand for that in
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indiana because barack obama is not going to win. >> your opponent is not a tea party year. do you agree with that assessment? >> all you have to look at is the fact that he has called for more division, partisanship, actually spent over $3 million of taxpayer money to force a liquidation of chrysler. the american automobile industry has been one of the great success stories of all time. his actions are directly against the very things we stand for. that is why we will have success in the fall. >> do you want president obama to campaign if you in indiana? >> if you remember back in early 2009, the first place he came after he was elected with to elkhart, indiana. he came because he wanted to talk to people about their challenges. i was there. anytime the president wants to come to indiana and talk to us in here about our views and make the country stronger, we would
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love to have him. >> great to have you with us tonight. we look forward to the showdown coming up. all the best. >> thanks. >> mike brumley wanted to let detroit go mitt romney, let's remember, one of the american automobile industry to lose millions of jobs and suck $100 billion out of the economy. thankfully, the obama administration didn't follow romney's path. but now the candidate for the republicans is trying to rewrite history.
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let's remember, one of the american automobile industry to lose millions of jobs and suck $100 billion out of the economy. thankfully, the obama administration didn't follow romney's path. but now the candidate for the republicans is trying to rewrite history. >> i pushed that and the companies got on their feet, so i take credit to the fact this industry's got better. >> the obama administration responded with a strong statement today. this may be the most preposterous of them all. this is the first time mitt romney claimed credit for the automobile rescue.
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but it's not the first time he made it sound like it was his idea all along. >> the president did what i sawinged, going through a managed bankruptcy process. >> romney wrote a now famous op-ed in "the new york times." romney called for detroit to go bankrupt and said if the government loaned money to the automobilemakers, you can kiss the automobile industry good-bye. it wouldn't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed. romney wanted a massive restructuring of detroit. >> instead, we have to help these companies restructure, stay in business, but restructure, shed the unnecessary costs, make them competitive with the transplants and the foreign cars. by virtue of doing that, mack sure they stay in business long term. >> of course mitt romney wasn't
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the only person saying the automobile loan would fail. the auto loan was a major risk for the obama administration but it worked. the economist magazine apologized for supporting romney's idea of a managed bankruptcy. in hindsight, they realized romney's plan was nothing but a flop. they wrote the credit markets were bone dry. making the privately financed bankruptcy that mr. romney favored improbable. the bankruptcy judge presiding over the chrysler loan basically said the same thing. the record before the court was clear. there were no other sources of lending. even other republicans have seen the light. congressman upton of michigan supports romney but he says he doesn't agree with the candidate's approach to the automobile industry. >> there was no one that was willing to come up with the cash to keep them afloat but also to
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serve the warranties of everyone like you and i that drive all these cars. there was no one that would have picked up those pieces other than the federal government. >> you mean it was so outlandish he was willing to laugh about it in an answer? upton says no one was willing to come up with the cash to make romney's plan work. that's the bottom line, including romney's old company bain capital. there's no doubt about it, mitt romney's proposal for detroit was a failure. major economists know it. the republican party knows it. even his old company bain capital know it. but romney says he deserves credit credit for the success. the president knew it wasn't a popular decision at the time. but he knew it was the only thing to do. >> i don't want to run auto companies.
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i don't want to run banks. i've got two wars i've got to run already. i've got more than enough to do. the sooner we can get out of that business, the better off we're going to be. >> so, you be the judge. who was correct and who's the winner? the government didn't get into the car business. they floated a loan. not a bailout. but a loan. and it's being paid back with interest. meaning the united states treasury is going to make money on it. don't you like that, mitt? as a result, more than 1 million jobs were saved in 2010 alone. the loans were prevented nearly $97 billion in personal income losses. chrysler sales, where are they? they're up more than 26%. general motor sales are up more than 13%. 115,000 jobs have been added. mitt romney has a paper trail a mile long to show that he's not on the right side of history on this story, and now he wants to take credit for it? romney was in lansing, michigan,
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today. he didn't say a word about the automobile industry. really? in their own backyard, he had nothing to say? he knows he's not telling the truth and he knows he really gets the credit on the other side of the aisle. that's president obama for saving the automobile industry. joining me tonight is howard fineman. nbc news political analyst and editorial director of the huffington post media group. great to have you with us tonight. i know you have spent some time with the romney campaign. how do they expect this story to play out in the long haul? are we going to keep hearing mitt romney saying it was his plan that saved the automobile industry? >> well, ed, i was just here in boston and i said, hey, i'm going on "the ed show." tell me what to say, you know, tell me what your -- what your line is, and i think one of the interesting points you make is that, is that candidate romney, in lansing, michigan, didn't
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really pursue the line that he was responsible for saving the auto industry. after all, ed, in terms of the general election, what we're really talking about are three states -- michigan, ohio and pennsylvania. the very guts of industrial america that is up for grabs in the election. if mitt romney was really going to seriously argue that he deserved credit for the current great state of the auto industry then he would have done it in lansing. instead, all he talked about was his nostalgic remembrance of oldsmobile, a mark that doesn't exist anymore. what the people for romney told me tonight is that, look, their view is, that he argued for managed bankruptcy, and, and government guarantees, and that that was enough to help. but what mitt romney said in his statement the other day is that help was given. remember that? you used that sound bite, ed,
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"help was given." well, the help that was given was government money, it was government loans. and that, specifically, is the part of the equation that mitt romney opposed. there's no way around it. >> there is no way around it. there were no funding sources that were out there. the economy was in the deep -- it was in peril. we were on the verge -- i mean, it's almost inexplicable. we were on the verge of tipping over as an economy. bain capital wouldn't do it. there were no banks out there in the position to do it. if the obama administration was going to save millions of jobs and, also, the ripple effect that it would have had with rubber and plastic and glass, those industries, and the electronics industry, the only person that could step up was going to be the american taxpayer. why is romney in denial of this? he wanted somebody to come in and pay ten cents on a dollar and do a deal while millions of middle class families would have
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been just butchered by this. >> well, as i say, their point of view is he did argue for managed bankruptcy. managed bankruptcy was, in fact, part of the deal. but they're leaving the loans out of the equation. but the reason that mitt romney made the claim that he did is that he can't afford to give up on the idea that he understands the auto industry, that he's sympathetic to the auto industry, that his father, after all, was an executive, a self-made millionaire, executive in the auto industry. he, mitt romney, understands it, he's from it, he's from michigan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. a big part of his narrative is about his family's background in business and a big part of that business was automobiles. so he can't afford to be out of the discussion altogether. i think that's probably why he tried this ploy. but, obviously, if they felt it was a winner, they would have done it in michigan today. >> i think you're right. the fact is, do you think that voters are going to see through this? i mean, are they going to actually buy this?
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>> well, i think they're going to have to study the details. probably not. if mitt romney is going to make this point, he's got to follow up on it. he's got to show why private capital was, in fact, going to come in and save auto industry. they don't offer the -- the romney campaign doesn't really offer any evidence of that. romney used the passive terminology "help was given." well, yes, help was given -- by the federal government. it wasn't given by the private sector. it was given by the federal government. if he's going to pursue it, he's got to really pursue it. otherwise, he's going to look foolish having raised this to begin with. i think the challenge to the romney campaign -- that i'm here talking to their people, i want to know what they are up to, i want to know what their strategy is. if they're going to pursue this, really pursue it. we didn't see it on day two. we'll see if we see it on day three. >> in the rust belt, i've had labor leaders tell me that's the bread basket of the election.
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and if this is going to be mitt romney's ploy to try to get these middle class families to see it his way, that he really is the guy that had the plan to save the automobile industry, he's really going to have to throw a lot of money at that. that's going to be a tough sale. you can't eat p.r. you know? i mean, that's the bottom line. and if the obama had said, okay, we're going to go -- somebody got ten cents on a dollar, 20 cents on a dollar, we will absolutely destroy and start from the bottom up. in fact, we might get out of the manufacturing business when it comes to cars and we will never compete again. that's really what romney wanted. i think the american voter is going to realize this and this puts, this comment today and the way the romney campaign is handling this, howard, your thoughts on this, this is just shoving people right into the obama camp. this is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? >> what i would say is if rom and his campaign are going to
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raise this claim, and it's only may, it's so important to our understanding of what's happened the last couple of years, what's happened to the auto industry, which, after all, is still central to the american economy, then they're going to have to follow up on it. if they don't at least to attempt to prove their case in a serious way, then when voters really get down to deciding, then they'll reject it. having raised it, the mitt romney campaign has to pursue it. if they don't pursue it, they're going to look not only foolish, i wouldn't use the term "lie." i would just say, if you're going to make the claim, back it up. >> if you could go back to the romney campaign, if you're going to see them later tonight or tomorrow, whatever -- >> i am. >> just say that you were on "the ed show" and ed is looking for the funding sources to be listed by the romney campaign. the people that actually probably got screwed that didn't get a chance to do it because the government came in with tax dollars and saved it.
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i think they maybe will have an answer for that. >> i'll ask them for that list. if i get it, i'll e-mail and you can put it on the air. >> all right. howard, great to have you with us. >> all right, tack care. >> thanks so much. american manufactures are creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s. >> the manufacturing jobs are coming back. but now we need the workers. >> we're making a national commitment to train 2 million americans with skills they need to get a job right now. >> leo gerard on president obama's plan to train skilled laborers. on national teacher day, the republican war on public education takes another ugly turn. we'll have the latest from pennsylvania. and fat cats in congress have no clue what it's like in the real world. tonight, they'll introduce you to rick berg. >> do you know what the minimum wage is in north dakota now? do you know what that is? great! tyler here will show you everything.
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american manufacturers are creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s. and that's good for you but it's also good for the businesses that supply the materials you use. it's good for the construction workers who build the facilities you work in. it's good for the communities where people are buying more houses and spending money at restaurants. everybody benefits which manufacturing is going strong. >> as president obama mentioned, american manufacturing is on the rebound. since january 2010, the manufacturing sector has added almost 500,000 jobs and manufacturers are adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy. but a lack of skilled workers could stall the return of american manufacturing. president obama announced his solution to the problem back in february. >> i hear from business leaders all the time who want to hire in the united states, but at the moment they cannot always find
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workers with the right skills. that's why we're making a national commitment to train two million americans with skills they need to get a job right now. we also need to give more community colleges the resources they need to become community career centers, places where folks can learn the skills that local businesses are looking for right now from data management to high-tech manufacturing. >> the president wants to spend $8 billion to train two million workers to help close what is known as the skill gap. the problem is his plan needs congressional approval and republicans have proved they are not interested in investing in american workers. over the last 30 years, look at the numbers. bill clinton is the only president that invested in education and worker training. ronald reagan and both bushes failed to do so and today's republicans are no different. let's turn now to leo gerard.
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united steelworkers international president. mr. gerard, good to have you with us tonight. if you could explain this skill gap that we're talking about. and, also, does the president's plan -- would it, would it fix it? >> help start, ed, by saying i'm proud of the president and i'm proud of the fact that he acknowledges that the way out of this mess is by manufacturing and making things. yes, absolutely, the president's plan would lead us in the right direction and help fill the skills gap. we have a skills gap because certainly ronald reagan, as you mentioned, the republicans have been cutting back on training and cutting back on community college funding and cutting back on that support and we've had almost 30 years of people on wall street, the already elite, the already powerful, saying manufacturing didn't matter. the future was in banking and services. the future was in that kind of stuff. and we found with the '08 collapse that that just wasn't true. the future is creating real wealth by making things, by giving people real skills so they can make things. i think the president is in absolute the right agenda. you hit it right on the head
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when you pointed out that the republicans have done everything they can to keep the 20-somethings and the 30-somethings and the 40-somethings and the 50-somethings from having good jobs. >> well, technical schools should be booming. congress hasn't been eager to help them out. you can go right to the interest rates on students. you would think if they lower the interest rate, it would make it a heck of a lot easier and speed this economy up. do you see republicans in the next few years turning their attitude when it comes to manufacturing? >> i think what you're going to see is when this election cycle is over later this year, i think you're going to see republicans taking a very heavy toll at the ballot box for the kind of things that you and howard dean were talking about. on top of it, the way they're treating students. the way they're treating the young people that want to get the skills and go to school, refusing to cut their interest rates.
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you know, again, remind people that it was president obama that took the student loan business away from the banks and saved billions of dollars. let me make this point. the reality is that when i was in high school we had vocational shops. we were told when we were in high school that if you wanted to go in to -- to work with your hands, you can make a real living. when i travel around the country and ask are your kids getting training in high school, most of them say no, the high schools have eliminated those programs. we laid off 300,000 students that we need to give the kids the schooling, the math, the science, the skills so they can become skilled workers. you can make money operating a backhoe. you can make money welding. you can go from being a machinist to being an engineer. those skills have to be brought back and the republicans, ed, much to, i think, everyone's disappointment, are doing everything they can to make sure
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this president isn't able to win by creating jobs. and you know what, he's winning in spite of them. we've had more job growth under his leadership than we had since the early to mid-'90s. >> yeah. mr. gerard, good to have you with us tonight. great to have you on board. a millionaire republican congressman is asked about minimum wage. and he doesn't have any answers. we've got the video you don't want to miss. stay with us. [ female announcer ] introducing a match made in skin heaven. new venus & olay. olay moisture bars help lock in moisture... while five blades get venus close. revealing smooth and goddess skin begins. only from venus & olay. my feet and exactly where i needed more support. i had tired, achy feet. until i got my number. my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotics number. now i'm a believer. you'll be a believer, too. learn where to find your number at
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up next, one of richest men in congress doesn't know how much the minimum wage is. he's had no problem in the past voting against raising it. my commentary on the republicans continue to attack public education. we're right back.
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welcome back. now maybe i'm assuming a little too much here. i really believe that if you're running for the united states
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senate, you ought to know what the current minimum wage is. meet rick burg. he's running in north dakota. when asked what the current minimum wage is, rick berg didn't have an answer. worse yet, neither did his staff. >> take a look. >> what is the minimum wage right now? >> you know, this guy would know. i think it's probably seven something. >> okay. >> they don't have minimum wage for waitress. >> okay. >> do you know the minimum wage is in north dakota now? >> up on the prairie they just hate those trick questions. for the record, it's $7.25 an hour, which is also the current minimum wage in the state of north dakota.
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berg didn't always lack knowledge on the subject matter here because as a state legislature he voted against raising the minimum wage, count them, three times. he voted against a bill that would require government contractors to pay workers a living wage. he isn't completely against the idea of wage increases. in fact, he's voted to raise salary of state lawmakers. god forbid if romney gets in but don't you think this guy would be good for romney administration official. they sure think alike. they know about as much. next, radical republican governors aren't letting up on their assault of public education. we talk about how they are getting away with it. that's next. [ female announcer ] removing facial hair can be irritating.
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>> more on the republican assault. that's exactly what it is, an assault on public education in this country. last week we told you about pennsylvania's work city district which is struggling to close a $19 million budget deficit thank to the governor's billion dollar cuts to public education. earlier this year we talked about pennsylvania's chester upland school district where teachers volunteered to work for nothing when the schools ran out of money. when of those teachers ended up in the state of the union address. people are paying attention to what's happening in public education. i've communicated with the teachers and administrators to do the story trying to bring you the very latest on what's happening. we've had difficulty getting people to come on this program
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and talk about the effects of tom corbitt's cuts. teachers and administrators seem reluctant to talk. this is how republicans get away with vilifying teachers and attacking them in this country. they know they can get away with targeting educators. teachers are not generally experts at working the media. their profession is to help people, teach them. not to go on television and wage public fights. thousands of teachers are losing their jobs because of these cuts so they become more reluctant to speak out for fear that they won't get hired back some day. the problem is the bottom line. should be the success money and we're throwing way too much money at it so we got to cut it. they become afraid to talk. maybe it will cause too many
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problems for them down the road. it's really sad. it's a safe haven for republicans to attack workers. ruth joins me from milwaukee, wisconsin. wisconsin is another state where teachers have been targeted by the republican party. do teachers feel like they are under attack? >> i think they feel demoralized by that story line that bad teachers are the problem that somehow younger teachers that are paid less could do a better job. it's really sad. it's a safe haven for republicans to attack workers. ruth joins me from milwaukee, wisconsin. wisconsin is another state where teachers have been targeted by the republican party. do teachers feel like they are
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under attack? >> i think they feel demoralized by that story line that bad teachers are the problem that somehow younger teachers that are paid less could do a better job. today is national teacher appreciation day. your timing is wonderful. i think we should give a shout out to all those great public school teachers out there who are digging in their own pockets to buy supplies and still teaching our kids and doing a great job. >> we've had several hundred thousands of those teachers lose their job. leo gerard said we lost 300,000 teachers. i find it hard to believe they are all incompetent. there's massive cuts being taken in public education vilified by these radical governors. they have become political pawns. who is speaking up for them. how do they fight back?
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how do they get it done? >> here in wisconsin we saw the teachers marched out first to oppose the politics. i think it's really changed the story line a bit. we heard a lot about school choice. we heard about how bad teachers are the problem. i think the more they beat up on teachers, the more people said we love our school teachers and they don't live a luxurious life. there are these draconian cuts. they affect all of us. in pennsylvania, $860 million in cuts. they are talking about now cutting baseball, volleyball, freshman track. next year they are looking at guidance counselors. communities don't like that. we start to look at this and say we value our schools. we value our teachers. we want a better future for our kids.
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>> public education has been an american value, but for some reason it's become a political football and target for one party that wants to give tax breaks to corporations to give tax breaks to the wealthiest 1 and 2% in this country. they have to find the money somewhere and reduce the obligation so they might go to the poor school district this is this country. what are poor school districts going to do. go raise the property taxes? they can't do that. the funding source of education will be in the balance here in this next election cycle in the next two-year political cycle, don't you think? >> i do. in pennsylvania, the poorest school district in the nation in redding, pennsylvania is taking the biggest cut per pupil. about a thousands dollars. the wealthier school districts are looking at $100. that's because they are eliminated the formula. the people who need it the most are paying m