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right. the fact of the matter is when you see -- part of what's happened, in fact, is among the african-american, latino political leadership, they're beginning to understand how important this issue is. locking up millions of black and latino guys, often for petty drug offenses, is not a constructive thing. it's counterproductive in all sorts of ways. it's not just new york. in oregon a couple weeks ago, there's a district attorney's race. there's a lot of change at the congressional level. stuff's changing. >> ethan, we got to go. thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having me on. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from madison, wisconsin, where it's ground zero for the middle class. for the first time since his surprise attack, scott walker will face the people.
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this is "the ed show." this is history. let's get to work. >> if you win, what do you think it means? >> i think it's a victory for courage not only here in wisconsin but across the country. >> the polls are tightening. there are boots on the ground. and the milwaukee mayor says he will defeat scott walker. >> i am going to win it. we are very, very positive. >> tonight tom barrett brings the fight for the middle class "the ed show." scott walker is denying new allegations about state's john doe investigation. republican state senator thinks scott walker reforms are working. he will defend his position here tonight. despite getting out spent by outside money, democrats like the reverend jesse jackson say they will turn out the vote in wisconsin.
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>> if they can march in selma and montgomery, i can march right down the street. >> the civil rights leader joins me live in madison. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. the long road to the recall elections here in wisconsin is now over. tomorrow voters will decide the fate of governor scott walker for only the third time in recall election history in this country. a recent university poll has scott walker with a seven-point lead over tom barrett. many democrats are questioning that. the newest poll from public policy polling shows walker only has a three-point lead. i have been in wisconsin this past weekend stopping by in racine and burlington and north milwaukee. everywhere i went, there was
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unbelievable enthusiasm. so this is one for the archives, folks. i don't know how the polls can be judging the heart and desire of the people that i ran into this weekend. there was one person that struck me. a teacher that has been in the business some 20 years in the classroom and says she's not ready to retire. she wants to go another ten years. she said, ed, if there's anything that comes out of this, will you just tell the people of america that i'm not the enemy. this is how a lot of people in wisconsin feel. they feel like they've been vilified by a radical agenda. the people of wisconsin don't understand why they're the guinea pig of a right-wing agenda just to, quote, see if it works, this person told me. there's reaction from the white house tonight. the president of the united states tweeted it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow and i'm standing by tom barrett. he'd make an outstanding governor.
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i have to tell you that going around the state this weekend, i think it was fantastic that bill clinton was here on friday. going around the state, i did not hear one person say anything about the president being here. these people in this state are so focused. i must say they're focused on both sides. this state is no doubt polarized. these people want something to happen politically because they know the job scene here nor this state is not what it could be. he's not been a uniter. he's been a divider. the race is too close to call at this point. scott walker is already getting his excuses ready. he raised the idea of voter fraud to a conservative weekly standard magazine. he said, quote, you probably have to win with at least 53% of the vote to account for fraud, one or two points potentially. walk eer also went on fox news today and hit the latest
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republican talking point about president obama not showing up in wisconsin. >> what do you think of barack obama has not been here? >> i think it's interesting for all the hype. president clinton was here a week ago. i said it's more interesting when the president of the united states is just literally on the other side of the river in minnesota in the twin cities and in chicago. >> he was a marine one trip away. >> walker will need all the excuses he can come up with if he loses. he owns the air waves here in wisconsin. no doubt about it. the walker campaign and supporters have outspent barrett by 7 1/2 to 1. republican national committee chairman is trying to down play the walker money advantage. >> who knows in the end who spent more. i think there's a lot of union
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money being spent up there. it's an enormous effort. this never would have had to happen if the unions from the outside wouldn't have come in and try to hijack the state of wisconsin. >> they want to make it sound as if the unions have controlled the total recall process. wisconsinites know this is about them, the middle class and the well being of this country. in february of 2011, the people of this state objected to walker's radical plan to strip public employee unions of their bargaining rights. "the ed show" heard the outcry and came to wisconsin to see it for ourselves. this wasn't about union organizing. this is about people fighting for what made this country great, a thriving middle class in america. the passion on display is what made 14 senate democrats leave the state and try to stop the law from going through.
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republicans didn't listen to people and went ahead with it any way. >> representative, excuse me. it said if there's any doubt as to whether good cause exist, the governmental body should provide 24 hours notice. this is clearly a violation of the law. you're shutting people down, it's improper for you to move forward. this is a violation of the open meanings law. you're not allowing amendments, and that is wrong. mr. chairman, this is a violation of law. >> republicans didn't listen to the voices of wisconsin because this was their plan all along. scott walker showed his hand when he was recorded last year by a blogger pretending to be billionaire walker supporter david koch. >> this is an exciting time. i told my cabinet i had a dinner the sunday -- excuse me, monday
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right after the sixth. came home from the super bowl when the packers won. that monday night, i had all my cabinet over to the residence for dinner. talked about what we were going to do, how we were going to do it. it was kind of last hooray before we dropped the bomb. i stood up and pulled out a picture of ronald reagan. this may seem a little melodramatic, but 30 years ago, ronald reagan, whose 100th birthday we just celebrated the day before, had one of the most defining moments of his political career, not just his presidency, when he fired the air traffic controllers. >> walker was telling rich donors all along about his plan to dismantle the unions. >> what can we do to help you? >> we're going to start in a couple of weeks with our budget at justment bill. the first step is we're going deal with collective bargaining for all public employees. >> right. >> use divide and conquer.
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>> the interest of the koch brothers and super rich walker contributors do not protect the interest of the middle class in this state. this is why they organized recall petitions to put the governor's fate on the ballot. the petitions were delivered in january, setting the stage for tomorrow's vote. walker will have to answer for his radical agenda which has led to the worst jobs number in the country. they have organized throughout this process. these past few weeks are no different. i've spoken to democratic organizers who say the intensity on the ground is unlike anything they have ever seen. that will be the key to this election. take a look at milwaukee county. in 2010, tom barrett got more than 200,000 votes against scott walker. two years earlier, almost 320,000 people in milwaukee voted for barack obama. if the democrats can get people to the polls tomorrow in the same numbers they delivered in 2008, the outcome could be very
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bad for governor scott walker. i spoke with people all over wisconsin this weekend. democrats tell me they will knock on more than 1.2 million doors before it's all over. the people assured me this is going to be a close one. no question about it. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. i do want to know what you think. should the voters of wisconsin recall scott walker? text a for yes. text b for no. 622639. you can always go to our blog on we'll bring results later in the show. great to have you both with us. john, you first. the polls on the ground, the
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polls on tv and the media and the enthusiasm on the ground, don't seem to match up. >> you can't measure a recall. it's absolutely impossible. we've never had an election in the first week of june in wisconsin before. we've never had an election where you've called a governor to account in the middle of his term, and you've never had an election where you've had more money raised by one candidate, scott walker, in one quarter than any previous candidate has raised in the history of the state. everything is unprecedented here. there's no question if you look at the pattern of polling, it shows since the start of last week tom barrett has been on the rise. if you go out and you go to -- wherever you go, you see these crowds out. i've covered politics in this state since i was a little kid. i have never seen the kinds of crowds for a progressive economic agenda that i saw in places like burlington this
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weekend. >> ruth, have the republicans changed their tone a little bit? it's been reported that both sides have lawyered up in case there's a recount. in the state constitution of wisconsin, it has to be half of 1% to force a recount. what does that tell us? >> it tells us they are not confident that they are just going to walk away tomorrow. no matter what they say on television, no matter what they say with their own polls. barrett's more recent poll showed this entire election hinges on one vote. not one percent, one voter. everyone i know is out there getting people to the polls. >> what does the early voting tell you? we've never seen anything like it before. >> it shows that state election officials show we will have 65% turnout. this will be like a presidential year. if you look at the difference between 2008 and 2010, it mean a very different story. >> what is so important about milwaukee county? >> it's where both scott walker
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and tom barrett come from. this year scott walker seems to have forgotten that and is running against milwaukee. in 2008, the city of milwaukee produced 90,000 more votes than it did in 2010. just right there in the city and particularly on the north side of that city, if people turn out there, they can offset two-thirds of scott walker's winning margin in 2010 on one set of neighborhoods. >> did bill clinton's visit help? ruth, bill clinton coming. it was very strategically placed in north milwaukee. >> bill clinton, jesse jackson, al sharpton getting people to the polls. it's all about getting people out and remembering what this is all about. it's all about when i drove by my public school teachers and each one of them were holding up one letter of barrett's name. this is about us. this is about the people of wisconsin.
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not about projections. >> john, everywhere i go it's the teachers. >> teachers have always been respected in this state. my grandmother came up in blue river, wisconsin. she got her credentials at the age of 16 and taught in a one-room school. that was considered one of the most honorable acts in our family. for the last couple of years we have a governor that have been telling us teachers are the problem. we know they're not the problem. they're the solution. >> the john doe investigation, has it played as a negative as much as the democrats have wanted it to? >> it has not gotten all the legs it should have, considering how sleevy and scandalous it is. as the ads came on television, awareness of it has increased dramatically, and at the same time, the numbers have shifted and barrett has come up in the
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polls. i think it's because people don't like what they're hearing. >> great to have you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. next up, scott walker is warning voters about voter fraud ahead of tomorrow's recall election. we'll sort through these republican lies, coming up. and wisconsin state senators will join me. the new report shows that scott walker is in hot water and he's denying everything. democratic challengers tom barrett and malin mitchell will weigh in. stay with us. we're coming right back. whoa. right? get. out. exactly! really?! [ mom ] what? shut the front door. right? woop-woop! franklin delano! [ male announcer ] hey! there's oreo creme under that fudge! oreo fudge cremes. indescribably good.
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coming up, republicans say democrats are trying to cheat their way to victory tomorrow. up next, state senators will debate the issue with republican state senator glen growthman.
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reverend jackson with us later in this broadcast. the man with the plan to defeat scott walker is here. tom barrett and his running mate mahlon mitchell will be here tonight. share your thoughts on twitter. we'll be right back. good morning! wow. want to start the day with something heart healthy and delicious? you're a talking bee... honey nut cheerios has whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol. and it tastes good?
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sure does! right... ♪ wow. delicious, right? yeah. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... ♪ well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. do you think voter fraud could swing an election? >> yes. >> you do? >> i do. i think voter fraud is a reality of our time. i think wisconsin voters are
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aware. >> give me a break. gop lies are sinking in, question mark. scott walker is fighting for his political life so he's warning folks about the possibility of rapid voter fraud. rnc chair is singing the same tune. >> i'm always concerned about it, which is why i think we need to do a point or two better than where we think we need to be to overcome it. >> nearly three million votes were cast here in wisconsin in the 2008 election. if turnout tomorrow is similar, according to the rnc chair and walker, the governor of this state, between 30 and 60,000 of those votes would be fraudulent. are you kidding me? the problem is the facts are not on their side. a recent study found just seven,
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count them, seven cases of voter fraud out of three million voet votes cast in wisconsin during the 2004 election, a fraud rate of 0.0002%. a number of reforms have been implemented since then. actually, dekrooesing the likelihood of voter fraud beyond these 0.0002%. so the director of state's government accountability board tells politifact, the board has found no more than 20 instances of voter fraud in any statewide election dating back to the year 2000. thanks so much for joining us. senator grothman joins us via
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satellite. it's claimed your state is riddled with voter fraud. what example can you give us that voter fraud is occurring and it's a big problem in wisconsin? >> that's not why you asked me to be on the show. i think if you look in the past at reports from milwaukee police department, you'll find things that are concerning. because the district attorney is not followed up at length, we don't have documents for sure here there and everywhere, but there's a feeling that people are voting that shouldn't be voting or people voting more than once. >> okay. let's get full disclosure. i'll give you chance to explain to our viewers, why did we tell you we wanted you o come on the program? i want to be very upfront and clear on this. >> i think to discuss the election tomorrow and the issues that will be decided. >> fair enough. the issue of voter fraud has been brought up by the rnc chair and the governor of wisconsin.
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they are very concerned about it. that's part of the election, sir. that's why i asked you the question. you answered it and i appreciate it. i don't want you to think you came on this program under false pretense. this is the narrative that's being played out by the republicans right now. >> well, like i said, you'll read past reports by the milwaukee police department. i think you'll find things that should be of concern in the city of milwaukee. >> such nonsense, senator. you know doggone well there's never been any level of voter fraud that's happening in that regard. you know more than anything the piece of legislation that you did that allegedly said it would address voter fraud wouldn't address the type of voter fraud we've had in the state. this is the fear tactic that you and your colleagues continue to do in this state. you should be shamed of yourself for that kind of nonsense.
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it is as absurd as you saying that me being a parent, that it's abuse of my child just my pure existence. your logic is off the wall, glen, and you know it. >> senator, can you respond to that? >> i think it's a kind of silly attack and one more time i think we're trying to get away from the issues in this campaign. why are our opponents having the state of wisconsin spend $20 million on unnecessary election rather than have elections in the regular time? november? that's the question. do we have to have or set up precedent in the state of wisconsin where we have elections in may and june at huge expense to the taxpayer before we find the full effect of reforms that in this case governor walker has put before us.
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>> you know, ed, this is amazing argument. we rule, we are governed by the consent of the governor. it's the people who decide whether or not we govern. when those of us who are elected abuse the trust and faith of the people, it's up to the people to withdraw that consent. that's what's happening. >> i don't think anybody has abused anything here. governor walker proposed and passed the budget that's a 1% spending increase over the last year. we have a wide variety of people who say a 1% increase isn't enough. we want a bigger spending governor in there and throw out governor walker less than a year and a half into his term. i think it's an outrage. how in the world is our country ever going to balance its budget if we throw out somebody for passing a budget that's a 1% increase? >> first of all, senator, the governor has spent more than governor jim doyle, as you know. number two, this governor said
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he would not tax, and he taxed the most needy among us, seniors. >> he hasn't raised any taxes at all. you know that's true. >> yes, he did. you know the homestead tax credit. the facts are not on your side. i respect that you change the rules along the way. that's not factual. >> there's no tax increases. >> glen, glen, glen. >> he is trying to improve the business climate. is this mark? >> if the democrats cut tax credits for the wealthy, you would scream tax increase. you are increasing taxes on lower and middle income folks. now you say that's not a tax increase. >> that's not chris. that's the senator. >> is it mark? >> yes. >> it's a mild change in the earned income tax credit. >> $14 million is a mild change? >> the highest in the country. we have the most generous in the country and because we have the
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most generous, you're mad because it's not the most generous by a wide margin. it's ridiculous. >> is a billion dollar cut in education a mild change? senator miller. >> that's the biggest change we've had in public education. that is stripping away of our children to have access to the american dream. >> i want to give you a chance. i want to know about the cuts in education. you have not cut a billion dollars out of education? >> in the state of wisconsin, all public employees, including myself and governor walker, are paying for more of our pension. for that reason the cost of anything in the state of wisconsin, be it the cost of ler call help, be it the cost of the university -- >> mr. grothman, respectfully, i ran into teachers this weekend
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who just got the pink slip because of budget cuts in this state. are these teachers lying to me? >> there are very few less. in some cases individual school districts have found it unnecessary. >> i understand that you want to share the talking points that you and your colleagues have decided you want to say. be honest. this is the largest cut in education that's happened in the state's history. in addition to that, things like milwaukee and other places have had huge effects. class sizes are larger. at least be honest. >> there are 2,000 less teachers. >> that is not true. i have interviewed every superintendent in my area. not one superintendent said there's been any cut of nay nature. there are some districts in which enrollment is going down and enrollment is going down when somebody has been laid off. there are some district where is they decided to not have the teachers pay for their pensions. that's a matter of local control.
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>> rather lay off teachers. that's the cut we're talking about. all this kind of jerry rigging you're doing with the business. let me tell you something. a cut is a cut. if you tell a retired teacher that they have to pay more into their health care and on a fixed income, they're going to respond to that. that's a cut to their kitchen table. that's a cut to them. i want to give you one final question. is it true there's a surplus in the budget in wisconsin? yes or no. >> as we speak, yes. >> you're saying -- >> i think the first thing i want to say there's a surplus then that $26 million they took for foreclosures, why don't think give that back? why don't they put it in education? they know it's not a surplus. they used the credit card and put it on our children and grand children and used budget tricks. >> we're out of time. i appreciate your coming on.
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great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it. tomorrow's recall election is about the boots on the ground versus big money. tom barrett and mahlon mitchell are here with the latest. in florida bad news for republicans trying to suppress the vote. that story ahead. this is "the ed show" live from madison. we're right back. recently, students from 31 countries took part in a science test. the top academic performers surprised some people. so did the country that came in 17th place. let's raise the bar and elevate our academic standards. let's do what's best for our students-by investing in our teachers. let's solve this. [ whooping ]
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there's a lot more to come. democrats on the ground are confident going into tomorrow's election. reverend jesse jackson rallied the troops in milwaukee last night. he'll join me to discuss why he says this election is an important movement for civil rights. with the justice department's deadline approaching with florida
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i'm an expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown.
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but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. massmutual. we'll help you get there. we can march right down the street. i can vote. i will vote. >> last night i had chance to see first hand the enthusiasm for this recall election. reverend jesse jackson rallied hundreds of voters in northwest milwaukee. he called this election one of biggest moments in the history of our democracy. he compared it to emmett till's
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lynching. he also compared it to ab's governor george wallace. >> now we have a governor, wallace in alabama and walker in wisconsin trying to take back acts to voters. to take the basic right of the voter. >> reverend jackson is convinced that african-american voters and latino voters in milwaukee county have the power to change wisconsin in tomorrow's election. they just have to get out and vote. joining me now is the reverend jesse jackson, founder of the rainbow push coalition. reverend, good to see you. what about milwaukee county? you told me milwaukee county is the key to this whole thing. why do you believe that? >> in 2010, 2,000 people, 90,000 voted less in 2008.
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if they vote in 2008 number, it changes two-thirds of milwaukee's majority. people are coming alive. they come alive because they feel threatened. they cut off the $800 million. we put back to work. they left people in isolation. blacks are 35% unemployed. >> will they get out and vote? is this a big enough issue for them? do they want to change that bad they will mobilize? >> those inclined to vote, will vote. citizens who are 18 are eligible to vote. those who want voter registration, access to voting. we see a higher turnout because there's real hard work on the ground.
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>> what about the latino vote? how important is that going to be? >> in some sense be unemployment is high and rejection is great. they want something as basic as the dream act which will be realized. it's exceptional high unemployment. 35% black unemployment. 55% for black males. those numbers rise for latinos. when you reject a jobs plan then you are enemy with the people. >> why did you compare wisconsin's governor to george wallace? >> wallace tried to block the vote and lost. walker is trying to stop the vote and will lose. here you have on-site, same-day registration. you can register and vote on the same day. he attempted to suppress that vote. to make it more difficult for seniors to vote and minorities. he's losing those battles. anyone that seeks to block the
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vote must be seen. >> why do you see this as the civil rights issue of our time? we've had the gay marriage issue, the don't ask, don't tell. there's been a lot of social things that have taken place in the obama years. you have really singled this out as a major civil rights issue. why is that? >> dr. king in his last act was fighting for the worker's right to bargain. he's using his power to take workers from the table. the right to collectively bargain is the american right. it's an american right. it's morally right. if he's able to set the tone in this campaign to undermine collective bargaining for workers, public workers, police, teachers, firemen, that's a real threat. >> what if walker retains his seat? does it mean anything for the country? does it send a message?
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paul ryan just down the road here author of the ryan budget, chairman of the house budget committee, he was out there singing the tune this weekend that this is going to have big implications politically. >> it is. we fall down and get back up. we will not stop. we are long distance runners. they have the most money and they have the machinery. this will to collective bargaining will not go away. fighting for the right to vote will not go away. fighting to get mass transportation to connect people will not go away. if we win, we celebrate. if we do not win, we keep on fighting the big election of november 6th. >> walker owns the air waves in this state. there's been over $30 million spent. you can't go anywhere. radio station seemed to be owned by the governor and every television station. is this ground game going to beat that?
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>> that's the struggle. he's fighting from the air. we're fighting from the ground. it seemed he could have enough rapport with his people. these will not go away. people are determined to get their rights to collective bargain back and women's rights for gender equality. these will not go away. >> thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it so much. coming up, mayor tom barrett and his running mate will be here live. florida's supervisors of elections are ignoring governor rick scott's demand to purge voter rolls after the department of justice said the purge was illegal. the latest coming up. stay with us. high schools in six states enrolled in the national math and science initiative... ...which helped students and teachers get better results in ap courses. together, they raised ap test scores 138%. just imagine our potential... ...if the other states joined them. let's raise our scores.
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welcome back. with the justice department's deadline just two days away, it looks like florida voter purge is still at the stand still, at least for now. florida elections supervisors have halted the voter purge after the justice department sent a letter to the state saying the process violates federal law. the president association of supervisors said there's just too in variables with the entire process at the time for supervisors to continue. the general council sent a letter to all 67 supervisors saying i recommend supervisors
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cease any further action until the issues raised by the department of justice are resolved. in other words, the supervisors are ignoring the voter purge of governor rick scott and his secretary of state. florida's secretary of state has said the voter purge will continue. the quote was, we have an obligation to make sure the voter roles are accurate and we can move forward to do everything we can legally to make sure the ineligible voters cannot vote, his spokesman said. wednesday, june 6th is the deadline for florida secretary of state to tell the justice department whether florida will officially halt its voter purge. if governor rick scott and his secretary of state do not comply, the justice department could take further legal action, which i'm sure many people in this country would love to see. tonight, i asked, should the voters of wisconsin recall scott walker?
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94% of them said yes. 6% said no. next up, milwaukee mayor tom barrett and mahlon mitchell will join me live. stay tuned. we're right back. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym.
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i am going to win it. we saw just in the last tracking poll two nights ago, and this
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was 800 samples, i was one vote behind. not one percentage point behind, but one vote behind, and we have literally thousands of people on the streets this weekend. so we are very, very positive. >> welcome back to "the ed show" live from madison. mayor tom barrett predicting a big win over scott walker in tomorrow's recall election. you can tell the democrats are feeling good about the ground game here in wisconsin. the barrett campaign says their volunteers have knocked on over 900,000 doors and made close to 900,000 phone calls. those numbers are expected to double by tomorrow night. meanwhile, the pressure is piling on scott walker. new reports show walker is now a target of the john doe investigation. legal sources say that walker faces serious legal challenges, including a possible indictment. regardless of tomorrow's results, governor walker denied the reports over the weekend. >> have you or your lawyers received a letter indicating you're a target of the
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investigation? >> absolutely not. 100% wrong. couldn't be more wrong. this is more of the liberal scare tactics out there desperately trying to get the campaign off target. there is absolutely no truth to that whatsoever. >> barrett has been pressing walker on the john doe investigation in commercials and debates. his strategy could pay off big in tomorrow's election. for more i am joined by the mayor of milwaukee, wisconsin, tom barrett, candidate for governor, and also mahlon mitchell, president of the professional firefighters of wisconsin, a democratic candidate for lieutenant governor. and a quick note, we have again invited governor scott walker to come on this program tonight, and he again, for some reason, has turned down ed schultz. i just can't figure it out. mayor barrett, you have made the john doe investigation a major part of your campaign. do you think this new report is going to hurt scott walker? >> well, let me say that i think
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scott walker has made the john doe criminal investigation part of this campaign, because it's his actions and his failure to produce basic things like e-mails or tell the people who is paying his criminal defense fees that made this such an explosive issue here on the eve of this election. scott walker could have solved this by vindicating himself by releasing those e-mails. of course, he chose not to do so. >> tom, have you heard of any dirty tricks as of late that are being played as far as robo calls are concerned? we've got unconfirmed reports there are robo calls going on in the state from someone saying that -- >> there's six or seven people. >> go ahead. >> the answer to that question is yes, i've heard six or seven reports. i have not confirmed them, mahlon may have confirmed them. i have not confirmed them, but i recorded a robocall to go to all the people who signed the petition telling them if they
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received a call that it was not necessary for them to vote that that was wrong information. again, i've heard unconfirmed reports that people who signed the recall petition have been called and have been told they do not have to vote tomorrow if they signed the recall petition. i have not verified that personally. it's a matter of concern to me. >> mahlon mitchell, what can you tell us about that? their live shot from milwaukee just disconnected here on "the ed show." we're going to try to reconnect quickly. so that is the situation. what we have been told by some, and we want to emphasize that these are unconfirmed reports, that there are some robocalls. you just heard mayor tom barrett say that his camp has also heard it, but let me be very clear what the facts are. and the facts are that if you signed the petition, so be it. tomorrow is an election, and your vote will only count if you go to the polls and vote no
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matter what side you're on. we want to be very clear of that. you have to vote tomorrow for your vote to count. signing any previous petition has absolutely nothing to do with tomorrow's outcome in the race. and we are told now that they are not going to be able to come back. i just want to say that this has been an amazing political story, certainly one of the most unusual stories that i've ever covered in my career. for 16 months, this state has been the focal point of workers' rights. for 16 months, this state has had to put up with an attack on workers and public education which is now spread out all over the country. for what reason? it's all about the budget, we're told. but if you talk to union organizers and union people in this country, they think it is an attack on them and organized labor to finally go after the last batch of democratic foundation when it comes to the voting block in this country.
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it's clear there are enough republican governors in this country who have gotten with a radical agenda to have after workers in the middle class. this is also the first test and measurement of an election since the passing of citizens united by the supreme court which the president of the united states called out in the state of the union address in 2010. it's the money versus the people. it's the air war versus the ground game. it's two idealogical titans coming together on the voting block battleground to decide how this state, and maybe this country, is going to run. they have to be thinking if they can save scott walker, they can probably save anybody. he has got a criminal defense fund. he is the only governor in america who has a criminal defense fund. no governor has raised this kind of money to keep his job. it is only the third recall in american history. it was north dakota in 1921, it
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was california in 2003, and not only this country but the world is now watching what is going to unfold tomorrow in 2012 here in wisconsin. can the money and the messaging overcome the will of the people? it's a fascinating political story. it's one for the archives, it's one that we've never seen before and we are going to see, i think, an outcome tomorrow that is going to be a real message to all politicians and all politicos across this country just how important money and politics, and how they are connected at the hip. we'll find out tomorrow maybe at this time as our coverage will continue from madison, wisconsin, if the people still matter. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. >> hi, ed. amazing broadcast tonight from the heart of this. thanyo


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