tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC June 7, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
kusive injuries the field, so this is actually freaking some players out. >> dave zirin, great to have you with us. we'll stay on the story. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. i'll be off next week because i'm going fishing. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now, and i need a good fishing trip. >> i'm sending a warning to the fish right now. but you, my friend, are rubbing it in, because i'm not going fishing next week. >> that's not an environmental warning, because it's catch and release, but thank you. >> thanks, man, appreciate it. thanks to you at home for staying with us. you may have noticed this week that we have a new graphics package on this show. for example, at the end of a segment -- this is what you used to see at the end of a segment. that's what you used to see. but now, instead, you see this. that's our now thing. i like it, right? it's kind of like the difference between regular camouflage and digital camouflage, right? digi camo. in any case, we have a new graphics package. but sadly, in making the change, in switching over to our new graphics package, we have had
some really fun errors. my favorite official error that we committed this week with our new graphics package was on the very first segment of the very first night of the new graphics package. the first time we tried to put up this little graphic that we put up all the time, which is our e-mail address, here's how you e-mail the show, this is what we put up. that is not how you spell my name. who knows who that e-mail goes to! it was very embarrassing to spell your own name wrong on national television. we did that on monday night. and then when we realized that we had done that, i showed the graphic again, i apologized for it, we corrected it with, and we moved on. that's what you do, right? when you get something wrong, you acknowledge you screwed it up and you fix it. i once mixed up the declaration of independence and the constitution and i said, with great conviction, that the constitution has no preamble, which was totally wrong and with was super embarrassing. and when i realized i had said
that super embarrassing wrong thing, i apologized for it, i corrected the the error, and we moved on. mistakes happen. in public life, they happen, in private life, particularly if you talk for a living, you get stuff wrong. it's not the end of the world. but if you talk for a living, if you are a public figure, what does it say about you when you don't care if you get stuff wrong. if when you screw up or maybe if you are trying to lie and you get caught trying to lie, right, if you get caught and you're now on the record as having said something either inadvertently or on purpose that is provably and obviously not true, what does it say about you if you don't want to correct the record? i mean, if you're going to continue to be a public person, if you're going to be a person who people are supposed to believe when you speak, you cannot allow yourself to become known as a person who lies. like, here's an example. this is the facebook page of republican congressman jeff landry of louisiana.
on his facebook page, he is highlighting an interview he did this week with a right-wing radio show. in that right-wing talk radio interview, congressman landry said this. >> this is an administration who has no problem granting special status or waivers to muslims as they two through tsa screenings. >> muslims don't have to go through tsa screenings? muslims get special waivers for the tsa? no! that's not true, at all! not even close. it was a glenn beck conspiracy theory a couple of years ago on the internet machine. now, granted, that was the height, i guess, of glenn beck's influence in the republican party, so, you know, glenn beck cracks a crazy conspiracy theory in the glenn beck corner of the internet and republicans all believe it for a second. but when somebody made the mistake of actually checking to see if it was true, frankly, it ruined everything. then senator john ensign, ah, john ensign, he'll be back on
the show later, he asked at a hearing, he asked the head of the tsa, if somebody said that they didn't want to go through tsa screening because of their religion. here's how that went. it was very quick. >> well, i respect and we respect that person's beliefs. that person's not going to get on an airplane. >> and there will be no exceptions, just because of religion? >> yes. >> that was -- the -- >> okay. >> that was the answer that i was looking for. >> the answer you were looking for, bluntly disproving that conspiracy theory pip mean, it's bluntly disproven. even if you are a refugee from glenbeckistan, it is just not true. but again, these things, they never die on the right. so a conservative congressman from louisiana is still in this past week advancing this totally disproven conspiracy theory that president obama says muslims don't have to go through tsa screening. now, steve benen, who produces for this show now, steve called congressman jeff landry's office after he heard that the congressman had said that. he called the office to find out what the hey the congressman was
talking about with this muslim tsa screening waiver thing. and the congressman's press officer, at first, denied that congressman landry had ever said any such thing. steve then calmly noted in his calm steve benen way that there was, in fact, tape of the congressman saying it. the press officer then tried again, came up with another answer, said that what the congressman must have meant is that anybody in a head scarf is exempt from tsa screening, and that is not what congressman jeff landry said in this interview, but also, for the record, it is not true. congressman landry's facebook page, where he posted this interview, where he talks about the muslim tsa waiver that doesn't exist, it is on his own facebook page, but it is now full of comments from all over the internet of people saying, essentially, dude, not true. you have to correct that. you don't seriously believe that, do you? where did you get that from? so far, congressman jeff landry has issued no correction on this. this happens.
i assume that he will. right? but, this happens. it's like when rick santorum, when he was still in the race for president, remember when rick santorum advanced his theories about how the dutch kill all their old people? remember that, they murder the elderly in holland systemically, leading the old people to flee the country in droves ahead of all the murdering. that's what rick santorum said. >> in the netherlands, people wear a different bracelet if you're elderly. and the bracelet says, do not euthanize me. because they have voluntary euthanasia in the netherlands, be but half of the people who are euthanized, half of those people are euthanized involuntarily in hospitals because they are older and sick. so elderly people in the netherlands don't go to the hospital. they go to another country, because they're afraid because of budget purposes that they will not come out of that hospital if they go in with a sickness. >> none of what rick santorum said there is true. none of it.
one of the most enjoyable republican primary segments we did during the whole republican primary this year is when we had the really handsome dutch news anchor on the show to check all of those assertions that rick santorum made, and nothing that he said was true. so senator santorum never corrected the record on the dutch thing. he never said he was wrong. he is sticking with that one, apparently, even though it is not true. none of it is true. i did have some hope, though, because senator santorum did try to correct another one of the who we whoppers that he told on the campaign trail. >> i was just reading something last night from the state of california, and at the california universities, they're -- i think it's seven or eight of the california system of universities don't even teach an american history course. it's not even available to be taught. >> amazing, right?! totally not true. totally untrue. not true at all. american history classes are
available to be taught and are, in fact, being taught, at every single one of the university of california campuses. after a very long and for me very deeply intellectually satisfying discussion of that particular era with rick santorum's chief strategist at the time, on this program, in which the chief strategist, john brabender, a very nice man, told me that he thought that rick santorum took his reputation for honesty seriously enough that he would correct that assertion if it was, in fact, shown to him to have been wrong, after that, we wrote senator santorum and pointed out how he was wrong, and mr. santorum wrote me a letter back, trying to correct it. he took back, retracted his assertion that the university of california doesn't teach american history, and instead he asserted that what he meant to say is that the university of california doesn't teach survey courses in western civilization. and of course, day do teach survey courses in western civilization. so the replacement assertion was also untrue. but, at least he tried.
at least there was an attempt. it was a failed, misfire of an attempt to correct the record, but at least there was an effort to correct the record. there was a recognition that there is a record, and that it ought to be correct. and that you ought to be at least trying to make yourself seem like a trustworthy person. and you know, there's a little spark of that too in the way that congressman landry's office responded to the overtures from steve benen. i mean, there was an effort to worm out of it. at least there was some sense that it was wrong to have told a lie and that however gymnastic you have to get to try to explain that lie, you should, in fact, try to explain your way out of it. you wouldn't want an overt lie on your record. you wouldn't want to be known as somebody who tells lies. that would be shameful. that shame, which can lead a person to full-on out apologize or try to worm out of it or come up with a new lie to cover up the old one, that shame, no matter what it does, that shame itself, that lying is wrong. that shame is valuable. and that is why it is a big deal that the mitt romney for president campaign does not seem to have that sense.
again, the issue is not making mistakes, screwing up, getting stuff wrong. everybody screws up, everybody gets stuff wrong. it is a question of how you deal with that and how you feel about that. whether you have a sense of shame or regret or a desire to correct the record, when you, in fact, say something that is false. when you put your name and your word and your credibility behind something that was untrue. i mean, i know we don't have high expectations of politicians truthfulness, right, or the general level of honesty in political speech, we do not have high expectations of that, but this is something qualitatively different. mr. romney gets caught saying things that are factually wrong, and the thing that is different about him is that he does not mind. he doesn't fix it. he opportunity even try to worm out of it. he opportunity appear to feel any shame about it at all. and he is happy to keep telling the the lie once he knows it is
a lie. what is that? because it is a very consistent thing now. and i have not seen this before in big deal top of the ticket politics in this consistent a way. particularly from somebody who's just running for office and not already holding office and being arrogant about it. from the very first general election style ad that mr. romney ran against president obama back in november, this was an evident problem of theirs. you may remember this ad, it was the one where this is how they quoted president obama. >> we need to provide relief for homeowners. it's going to take a new direction. if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose -- lose -- lose. >> lose, lose, lose. that was how mitt romney quoted president obama. here's what president obama actually said. >> senator mccain's campaign actually said, and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> cutting that quote the way they did and ascribing it to barack obama, when what barack obama was doing was quoting somebody else for the purpose of criticizing the statement, that is just a flat-out lie. that is not subtle. that is not the kind of thing you get away with, even in politics.
that is really too black and white, that was tie blatant, which was the reaction to that ad from mr. romney by even the very cynical beltway press. even they were horrified. and the most important thing now about that lie by the romney campaign in their first ad about president obama is that when they were called out on it, even by the beltway press, they did not fix it, and mr. romney himself was not embarrassed about it when he was asked about it. >> there was no hidden effort on the part of our campaign. it was, instead, to point out that's what's sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. >> his first ad against president obama, yes, it's a lie. yes, he has been called out on it. no, he is not embarrassed. and to this day, they have not taken the ad down. it's the exact same dynamic of what mr. romney said last week when he was standing in front of that solyndra plant. you may recall our reporting that he said, that the inspector general had investigated the loan and found that taxpayer money had been donated to the obama administration's friends
and family. no such thing happened. the inspector general did not conclude that. it's a lie. and it is not a subtle one. and it's really easily checked. here's abc news calling him out on it. here's the associated press calling him out on it. here's "chicago tribune" calling him out on it. here's "fortune" magazine calling him out on it. we called him out on it. mr. romney told a lie when he said that, and has been nailed for telling that lie, yet he has not taken it back and not corrected the record. and again, perhaps more importantly, they are still running an ad that includes the same lie. so their candidate is saying it personally, it is in an ad that they are continuing to run, that i have been called out, it is factually untrue what they're saying, but they're running with it anyway. and now there's a new one. he's doing it again. a couple of weeks ago, mitt romney started citing this book on the campaign trail, it's a book called "the escape artists: how obama's team fumbled the recovery."
mr. romney says this book proves that president obama passed health reform even though he knew it would hurt the economy. so president obama deliberately hurt the economy in order to pass health reform, which is going to be bad for the economy. mr. romney said two weeks ago that that's what this book reports. wagging this book, citing by name. nome scheider responded at "the new republic," where he works, saying, that's not at all what's in my book, that's not what my book says, and i never said that. and despite that, as of last night, mitt romney is making the same claim again. >> i saw something that i thought was pretty disturbing. a book that was written in a way that's apparently pro-president obama was written by a guy named noam sclooish, and in this book, he said there was a discussion that the fact that obama care would slow down the economic recovery in this country. and they knew that before they passed it. the idea that they knowingly
slowed down our recovery in order to put in place obama care, which they wanted, and they considered historic, but the american people did not want or consider historic, is something which i think deserves a lot of explaining. >> you know what i think deserves a lot of explaining? the fact that noam schreiber's book does not say that, which mr. schreiber very pleasantly pointed out the first time that mitt romney said that untrue thing about the book. but mr. romney is sticking with it. health reform is not expected to slow economic growth. there's no evidence that the obama white house thought that health reform would slow economic growth. noam schreiber's book does not say that the obama white house thought that health reform would slow economic growth. none of those things is true. and none of that appears to bother the man who keeps saying it. joining us now is a guy you might have heard of, named noam schreiber, senior editor at "the new republic," and author of "the escape artists: how obama's team fumbled the recovery," which is a starring role in the mitt romney misunderstanding
book club this week. mr. schreiber, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> i also want to apologize for mr. romney calling you schreiber. >> par for the course. >> the first time that mr. romney raised your book on the campaign trail, that we know about, a couple of weeks ago, he said, "in the book," talking about you, "he talks about how larry summers, who was the president's chief economic adviser advised the administration that if they put in place obama care, it would slow down the recovery." he repeated that last night. for the record, in a way that he'll understand, is that what's reported in your book? >> no, the argument, if i understand it correctly, is that there was something sort of intrinsic to the american -- to the affordable care act, the health care reform act, the expansion of government or whatever it was, that would slow down the recovery, that would hurt the economy, and that, you know, despite that, despite knowing that, they went ahead and did it anyway. i found no evidence of this.
i encounter no administration official who felt that way. they all thought this was a good thing to do. it was in the long-term interest of the economy. and they had no inkling, there was never any discussion that this would be something that would actually crimp the recovery going forward. >> while you have been put under the spotlight here, and in particular, this particular part of the argument in your book has been put in the spotlight, as far as what i understand what you were reporting there, and the context of those discussions between larry summers and president obama, in the context of your interview with larry summers, that was about whether or not passing health reform, essentially, used up so much political capital, that they could not pursue a second round of stimulus spending. it was about what to focus administration time on, not what there would be economic slack for. >> exactly. i was making a basic opportunity cost argument, that if you throw all of your energy and all of your capital behind this big reform initiative, it's possible that it's going to crowd out your opportunities to do other
things, like pass another round of stimulus, as you say. and in fairness, i think, i certainly came to the conclusion that that was a possibility. that it did prevent their efforts or at least complicate their efforts to go back and get more stimulus. and i think certain obama economic advisers at the time raised this concern. but, again, there was never any discussion of this idea that the act itself would somehow damage the economy. and there was never anything for that matter said with certainty or even high probability that by doing this, you are sort of dealing us a slow recovery. this was the standard conversation that goes on within any administration about the trade-offs between different policy initiatives. and obviously, the president felt that the possibility, the chance of doing health care was sufficiently important, that it was worth the trade-off. >> noam, since mitt romney has been talking about your book on the campaign trail, in at least these two instances, i don't
know, there may be more, have you had any communication with the campaign? did you get any response after your initial note that you published at "the new republic," saying that you were being misread? >> no. i've been in touch with them. i consider myself a reporter. i report on both the obama campaign and the romney campaign. i try to be sort of as disinterested and respectful as i can be. i've certainly been in touch with them about other things, but we have not -- we have not discussed this directly. >> well, if they don't want to talk to you about it and they do want to talk to me, please send them my way. >> i will point them in your direction. >> yeah, that'll work. noam scheiber, thanks very much for being here and helping us to understand this. i really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. all right. we will be right back. we have product x and we have product y. we are going to start with product x.
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>> she's driven by the power, she's driven to get the power. that is the driving force in her life. >> she is steeped in controversy, steeped in sleaze. that's why they don't want us to look at her record. >> i'll tell you something. she's no richard nixon, she's worse. >> ruthless vindictive. >> venal, sneaky. >> ideological. intolerant. >> liar is a good one. >> yeah. the effort to broadcast that ridiculous right-wing political attack ad against hillary clinton without triggering campaign finance restrictions on political ads was the case that led to the citizens united decision, which handed over american elections, wholesale, to corporations and anonymous eccentric billionaires. but the renewed attention to that united citizens decision now, because we are now reaping the fruits of that decision in
our current elections, it turns out it's also a pretty good reminder of where that case came from. this right-wing cottage industry of marketing really out-there conspiracy theories about democrats to conservative audiences who will pay to see them. an underappreciated part of the citizens united argument was that the citizens united people thought that there was good money to be made with this crazy anti-hillary clinton conspiracy theory movie. it's part of why they wanted to air it when and how and where they did. and those technical specifics about where they wanted to air this thing made up the path that the supreme court followed to their revolutionary decision to get rid of all the campaign finance laws. but since barack obama is the one who won the presidency instead of hillary clinton winning the presidency, the out-there conspiracy theory cottage industry that's making money off of his presidency for conservatives is, of course, the birther industry. perhaps you would like to purchase this birther dvd from the world net daily superstore,
regularly priced $19.95 plus shipping and handling, but it's on sale now. and you can bundle your purchase with the bumper sticker. they've got it in this other design too. it's magnetic, easy on, easy off, for the low, low price of $9.95, plus shipping and handling. an autographed copy of "where's the real birth certificate?" is available for the low, low cost of $22.95, plus shipping and handling. that's the birther book written by the same guy who wrote the swiftvote book against john kerry in the 2004 election. it's a stable business, election to election. conservatives are always willing to shell out at least some money for this stuff. the question, though, is whether or not this stuff just lives on out there on the fringe, or whether it gets main streamed. whether or not republican politicians have to answer for this stuff if they benefit from it politically. hello george w. bush and the swift boaters. but there's also a question just
beyond the question of association, right? there's a question of whether these individuals who are out there on the fringe, selling these super out-there conspiracy theories on the right, whether those individuals themselves can be mainstreamed. in 2010, the queen of the birthers, the maldovian dentist, orly tatiz ran for secretary of state in california. she came in second, she lost. on tuesday night, we reported that orly taitz is trying again. she ran trying town seat diane finestein. in california's new everybody runs at once primary system, which they're trying out for the first time this year, there were 24 fames on the ballot on tuesday night for senate. the way it works is that the top two finishers out of 24 would then run against each other in the general election in november. now, as the incumbent, diane finestein, unsurprisingly, came in first. but who came in second? who's going to run against her in the fall?
well, even though orly taitz did poll second to diane finestein in some robo polls before the election, orly taitz, in the end, did not come in second. she came in fifth, out of 24. she got more than 100,000 votes. but the mainstreaming the birther's dream is not dead. you may remember a guy we covered back in the day named gary kreep. back in 2009, talking points memo dragged up this birther infomercial from gary kreep. it's an infomercial entitled, where was president obama born? call now for your chance to give gary kreep $30 so he can send some faxes and stuff about president obama being secretly foreign. call now! >> join hundreds of thousands of american who simply want the truth. as a thank you for being part of this petition drive, you will receive this exponentially created got a birth certificate bumper sticker. also, you can help the united states justice foundation in
their efforts to force president obama to produce his birth certificate by making a gift of $30 that will enable us to send a fax on your behalf to all 50 state attorney generals and attorney general eric holder to force president obama to supply his official state of hawaii biffert certificate. >> and in addition, we petitioned congress to block the certifying of the electoral college results until after our lawsuit had a chance to be heard or mr. obama had produced proof he was a natural-born citizen. unfortunately, congress refused to do anything about that, despite rumors that at least one congressman was going to challenge the results, no one in congress did it. >> that was gary kreep. so orly taitz may not have made the cut as the republican nominee for senate in california this week. close, but he didn't make it. but that guy, the guy from the
he has gotten mighty, mighty close to being elected as a judge isn't the same state. in a superior judge race, gary kreep has been narrowly ahead since polls closed, with 100% of the precincts reporting. and before they started counting the absentee ballots, there was just a 56-vote difference between kreep and the other candidate. the other candidate is named peed, this is a case of kreep with a "k" versus peed. it's kreep versus peed. this is a superior court judge race in san diego. and we have new results for you tonight. updated results in kreep versus peed. as of an hour ago, garland peed has taken a very timely lead. if you guys laugh in the studio, i will not get through this. garland peed is a 27-year veteran of the san diego county prosecutor's office. he's been a prosecutor for 27 years. and yes, he has a funny name,
but he totally gets it that he has a funny name. he is flush with understanding. this is from his facebook . look, the little kid in front who's like, look what it says on my front, ha-ha! and there's this one from his facebook page, who looks like maybe the dog's name is garland, and some despot ordered him to wear this around after he had an accident indoors. garland peed, veteran -- i'm not doing this! garland peed, veteran 27-year prosecutor versus gary kreep, the birther infomercial guy, in a race to be a judge, and the birther infomercial guy now trails mr. peed by a wee little 4/100 of a point after the latest tally trickled in, which for whatever it means for the state of justice in san diego
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the huge amounts of money that are spent on political campaigns now, the unprecedented money spent on political tv ads in particular, did you ever wonder why with all that tv ad spending local tv stations aren't getting rich? why, yeah, being a local news reporter is still an awesome job, but the pay is really not very good and you share a cubicle with three other people and do your own makeup, and if you're the sports guy, sometimes you also have to be the weather guy, because if he's ad, there's no sub. if there's so many political ads being bought on local tv stations, why aren't they getting super rich off all of that? in part, it's because that local tv stations are required by law to sell spots at their lowest rate. so when one person speculates that there may be so many ads in virginia they might shut out all the non-political advertisers from virginia tv stations, that
was a good news/bad news idea for local tv stations. on the one hand, yay, they'll be selling their whole inventory of ad stays, but on the other hand, all of that inventory could be at the cheapest possible rate, even in the primest of prime-time. the reason there's regulation on the ad rates for political ads is because we have a public interest in how election airing is done and who has the ability to do it. one of the rights we have with respect to political ads is we have a right to know who's paying for them. who's paying for those political ads you'll be seeing this year and how much they are paying to run them. we have the right to know, by law. that's public information. but let's say you want to exercise that right. in order to find out who's behind the attack ads that you see running in every commercial break during your local newscast or during "two and a half men," or whatever, the only way you can exercise your right to know who paid for that ad and how much they paid for it, which is your right to know, the only way
you can exercise that ad, is to physically drive to the tv station in your area and ask to see that information, in print. tv stations are required by law to maintain records on political ad buys and to make them available in a public file that they keep on site for anybody who wants to see them. but that doesn't mean that they're required to make those records any more easily available than that. so if you want to see the public file, you have to physically go and get it, during regular business hours, and if you want to make photo copies of that, that means you are probably going to be wrangling the photo copier yourself and paying for those copies. enter the federal communications commission with what sounds like kind of a common sense idea, to make this public information access lets 1950s. back in april, the fcc decided on a new rule saying, seeings how it's the year 2012 and all, how about the tv stations just put that public information up on the internet machine, where everybody can see it. sounds like a reasonable idea, right? putting public information on the internet where people can actually get it. apparently, no. apparently, no, that is not a good idea, that is a bad idea,
to the republicans in congress, at least. republicans in a house subcommittee have just voted on a straight party line to block that new rule by the fcc. that new rule that says that stations have to post what's already supposed to be public information online so people can actually get it. now, this is not done and over yet, in congress. it still has to go further in the house and it has to go through the senate. it's got a ways to go. also, there's litigation on this as well. but in the meantime, the investigative journalism all-stars over at propublica have decided that watching and waiting for this to wednesday its way through the system is kind of boring. and so, crowd sourcing, they are orchestrating what amounts to an end run, i guess, around the whole debate. starting this spring, they have enlisted help from grad students at northwestern university's journalism school. the students physically went to chicago's local tv stations, they got the public file, but then they scanned the file and posted it online. and then they asked for other volunteers from around the
country to do the same thing. "since tv stations won't put it online themselves, we decided to do it ourselves and we want your help. we intend to enlist more readers in checking their local stations as the election campaigns slog on. the general election is likely to usher in even greater spending and such spot checks could keep an eye on how big spenders are influencing the election." so far, we're told about 375 people from across the country have volunteered to help, to help gather this supposedly public information, to help make it actually available to the public. eight news organizations have been consulting with propublica on the project and they are now in the early stages of collecting all that wannabe public stuff. joining us now is justin eliot, the reporter who has been spearheading this effort for propublica, and you're the guy who reported on the birther infomercial. >> that's right. i've interviewed gary kreep several times. >> you are the rachel maddow all-star tonight. we are very happy to have you. it sort of seems like this is the unpaid intern version of a hostile takeover at tv station.
you know, hey, tv stations, you may not want this unpaid labor of us making your records available online, but we're going to do it anyway. is that kind of how it's been greeted? >> yeah, we haven't gotten any resistance from tv stations. it is the law. any member of the public can go to a tv station, show up, request to see the file, and they have to give you access to these file saying what campaigns, what pacs, what they're buying, how much they're paying, and there's group who's on the board of directors, which can be uses in cases of mysterious, more opaque groups. but we're hoping this becomes irrelevant if this fcc rule goes into effect and all of the station or at least of the beginning of the top 50 markets will have to put all the data online on an fcc website. >> so while we have been frustrated about and learning about the new opacity in terms of who gives money to fund super pacs in particular, but also some of the other ways that campaign donations themselves can be made more opaque, this is a way to see it at the end. you can see who's putting the money down to purchase a thing. it seems to me, though, in terms
of that having utility, you would want to be able to aggregate that information. so that's the idea of putting it online, right? so you can have a searchable, indexable database? >> right, but the fcc database, if it ever makes it online, will not be searchable. they bowed to the broadcast's demand on that, so the industry will be able to put in the data in whatever format they want, but it will still be better than having to go physically to the stations. and to some extent, it's hard to know what we'll be able to find out from this information until we see it, but there has been some interesting reporting going on around the un. in michigan, for example, there was a story based on a reporter going to the stations, that showed you had five conservative anti-obama groups that were using the same ad buyer and doing a sort of relay race style of ad buying, where one group would buy one week and the next the next week. >> so it was a pooling of
resources by taking it one week at a time. so that would not have been obvious, because it looked like it was five independent groups. >> this propublica plan on doing this certain open-ended terms. see what you get and see how useful you can make the information? what's your plan? >> certainly. we're going to look at this data as it comes in and see what we can figure out about how money's being spent by both the obama and romney campaigns, as well as all the outside groups. >> excellent. justin elliott, a reporter for propublica, which does better and better work all the time, congratulations. all right. for a united states senator, the upside of behaving very, very badly is the same as anybody else's upside of behaving badly, right? whoo-hoo! but even if the upside is the same, even if you are a united states senator, it turns out the downside of behaving badly is way different than it is for
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they were league champions in 1979, and people totally loved them in seattle. but four years ago in the summer of 2008 seattle lost its team. the seattle supersonics and all their history left seattle for oklahoma city, and people in seattle felt betrayed, really betrayed. in part because when the new owner bought the team in 2006 from the guy who owns starbucks, the new guy buying the team said he would not move the sonics out of seattle, but then two years later he moved them. he moved them out of seattle and to his hometown of oklahoma city. the starbucks guy and the city of seattle sued the new owner to keep the team. they did get a little cash settlement but that's it for the sonics. they were gone. the seattle supersonics became the oklahoma city thunder. then last night, the thunder, not the sonics, but the thunder made it all the way to the nba finals. so woo-hoo for oklahoma city. and ouch, i mean, ouch for
seattle and for washington state, right? but here is the thing that makes this both the best new thing in the world and also the bitterest new thing in the world today. how are you going to react to this if you are the pacific northwest and you've lost your team in this particularly underhanded way to oklahoma whereupon they succeed in this way? this was the headline this morning in the "tricity herald" in ken o wick, washington. "sonics advance to the finals, oh, wait." oh, as in oh, wait, they're not the sonics any more. oklahoma city steals team and steals game from san antonio. you know, when you get dumped by the person you're seeing, no matter how big a person you are, do you really want that person to find total bliss with the perfect other person? you want your ex to be having all that bliss celebrated publicly in the lead story in the news every night? we get it, seattle, we get it sonics fans, we all get it. the best new thing in the world today but also the bitterest.