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let's just solve the problem, gentlemen, you know, and i think weave got to prove away from who did what to what are we going to do. thank you. see you next week. one more time. that will do it for us. have a great weekend and "hardball" starts right now. dream a little dream. let's play some "hardball." good evening. i'm michael smerconish in washington for chris matthews. dream act lite, today, president obama issued an executive order that will stop the deportations of most illegal immigrants who alived here as children. is this a political play for the
latino vote? you bet. plus, president obama and mitt romney offer starkly different visions for fixing the economy. romney says trust the private sector. president obama says that's another way of saying let's try those bush policies all over again. my question, can barack obama win re-election without offering some new vision? also, could race be a bigger factor in the election than we thought? using google searches, a harvard researcher says racism cost barack obama three to five points in 2008 and could sink him this time. and the sandusky trial. one thing we're learning is that many knew what was going on for a long time. so why did it take so long for people to speak out? finally, mitt romney's bus tour got underway today and with it, someone with a sense of humor with a fake dog strapped on top is in the side show. we begin with the president's announcement.
howard fineman is with the "huffington post" and both with msnbc political angalystnalysts. first by the president. the president had the following to say when he made this announcement. >> effective immediately, the department of homeland security is taking steps to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people. over the next few months, eligible individuals who do not present a risk to national security or public safety will be able to request temporary relief from deportation proceedings and apply for work authorization. this is a temporary stopgap measure that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. it is the -- it is the right thing to do.
>> and then late this afternoon, mitt romney reacted to the president's announcement. >> i believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long-term bases so they know what their future would be in this county trichlt i think the action the president took today makes it more difficult to reach that solution. i'd like to see legislation that deals with this issue and i happen to agree with marco rubio. he said that this is an important matter. that we have to find a long-term solution, but that the president's action makes reaching a long-term solution more difficult. if i'm president, we'll do our very best to have that kind of long-term solution. >> howard, i think i know how it plays with the respected basis of the party, but the critical question is how does it play with the is? the independents? >> that's one reason why mitt romney was being as careful --
long-term, not short-term. he wasn't denouncing it. i think that's important. if you're talking about swing voters, a lot of those are latinos and i think this is very important for them and a plus for the president. if you're talking about white working class americans, in states such as ohio and north carolina, in nevada, and elsewhere in florida that are swing states, also, then i think it's a closer question. it's obviously a very political thing. obvious obviously, it's not about the one number topic in the country and election, which is the economy. and some of those independent voters don't like moves that look too political. >> you heard governor romney's envoix of rubio's name. >> i think his stock was already going sky high and i think in part that the obama campaign
sees that and they want to get in there ahead of the possibility of rubio becoming the running mate. they don't want to look like they're reacting to rubio and the president needs forward motion on something. in case of emergency, break glass. this was in case of emergency, break glass, let's do this hispanic thing now. >> it's fair though. >> a cynic would say let's look at the states that would be impacted by this. it's half of those that are the swing states. >> i think howard is right. had president obama done this six or seventh months ago, the latino community would have are remembered and moderates would have forgotten. now, they say wait a second, i don't have a job. this is uncomforting for me. why are you talking about jobs and providing special privileges. we're going to go out before
rubio, romney and we're going to own this media campaign and its messaging. whatever rubio or romney does now, it's going to be difficult for them to own. >> speaking of rubio, he issued a statement today. i called it lukewarm statement. there is broad support for the idea he wrote that we should figure out a way to help kids undocumented through no fault of their own, but there's also broad consensus in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future. the announcement will become welcome news for these kids, but it's a short-term answer to a long-term problem. what does this mean politically? >> that rubio's legislation, he wants to propose is creating a path to legalization and residency. president obama's does neither. it just basically provides the tupt for a kid to get a job or p
go to the military. that really ruffled some feathers. also a lot of moderates and progressives saying these young people can sacrifice our life for the country, but can't be doctors or accountants or engineers? >> i thought of newt gingrich when i heard the announcement today, when i thought i heard the former house speaker that n incured the wrath of his opponents. >> the white house is trying to keep mitt romney in the corner that mitt romney put himself in during the primary season in order to outflank rick perry and others and they're trying to back him into the corner by going as far as they have. it's a halfway measure and if you read the three-page letter order from secretary napolitano, you can see that it really isn't a sweeping thing here.
and they can slow walk it to the extent they want. but politically, i think it was a, overall, it was a pretty shrewd stroke on the part of the the president. >> maria, let's watch because in a republican presidential debate, newt gingrich and mitt romney sparred over policy with gingrich portraying romney as heartless. >> is he still the most antiimmigrant candidate? >> i think of the four of us, yes. >> go ahead. >> that's inexcusable. >> you tell me what language you would use on somebody who thinking deporting a grandmother from their family, just tell me a language. >> i think i described following the law as it exists in this country, which is to say i'm not rounding people up and deporting them. people who come here legally, get a work perment. those who don't get work will tend over time to self-der port.
>> what the president put forth today, does it really change things? sort of folks he's talking about acceptable really being deported as things stand now? >> it does give relief to a lot of biggest advocates within the immigration movement, which have been young dreamers. they're the ones that have been staging hunger strike, walking around the county tru. they're the ones that have created this media swell that has been very difficult for the obama administration to back aw away from. what i really caution romney with, he's the one that says he's for some immigration, but has strange bedfellows. chris cobalt is one of his largest supporters. the fact he has pete wilson, the one that is basically chairman of the california caucus, of his campaign in california, that's a dirty word among the latino communities. he's saying one thing, but the folks he's moving his campaign along is very antilatino,
immigration. bedfello bedfellows, steve king from iowa has said he wants to sue the administration over what the president just announced today. iowa is a swing state. now, everybody in iowa knows steve king already. no news there. but to the extent that the obama campaign in iowa can tie romney to steve king on immigration with this latest play, it's helpful to the president in that state. >> quick question for you, howard. the timing of this. why today. it's the gik of summer. this is the serious issue. politically speaking, this the time to drop it? >> i think there's a big political meeting next week involving the latino community, that's one and i think the president wants to change the subject. don't forget, to some extent, the president is running a culture campaign against the
romney's economic campaign. he's got a big gay rights event going on at the white house today. he made this noum on latinos, so he's going cultural to change the subject from the economy. >> was today the time to do this? >> absolutely because the supreme court is going to come out on their decision, which basically today, that immigration is congressional issue, so they're forcing the supreme court to say wait a minute, the state's can't be deciding. the days of waiting labor day, long over. thank you, howard. also, true. thank you. coming up, president obama and mitt romney offer two different visions of how to fix the economy. mitt romney wants to leave it to the private sec r tor. president obama says that's what got us into this mess. this is "hardball." the place for politics. my siste. i told you it was perfect for you guys. literally across the street from her sister.
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mr. romney. >> he's been president for three and a half years and talk is cheap. actions speaks very loud. >> welcome back. we may have reached an inflection point in the campaign when president obama and mitt romney faced off gens each other yesterday in duelling speeches in ohio. mr. obama tried to frame the acti election as a choice between his economic policies and republicans failed agenda of the past. mitt romney for his part tried to make it a referendum on the president's last three and a half years in office. joining me know, joan walsh and john feehery is a republican strategist. thank you for being here. president obama held up governor romney's economic policies as carbon copy of a failed george w. bush agenda. >> the economic vision of mr. romney and his alley lies was td a few years ago.
we tried this. their policies did not grow the economy. did thot grow the middle class, they did not reduce our debt. why would we think they would work better this time? >> joan walsh, is bush still potent? >> i think polls show and voters blame bush, michael, but i think he did more than that. an interesting thing the president did, he's making the case i'm not just speaking out of eight years of republican leadership -- 30 years and he really told quite a telling story about how we disinvested in our middle class over those years. we had wages begin to decline. we had moms going to the workforce, families trying to keep up. families borrowing against their houses because their wages weren't keeping up. starting with reagan, we disinvested in public education. here in california, the system was free until ronald reagan. we've seen college tuition costs double and triple. so it's a long-term story that
kind of cull min nates in the crash of 2008. he's trying to make people -- not something that just starred. >> even if americans buy into that portion of the logic at this stage of the election aren't they looking for more that's forward looking? john feehery, i guess i'm making your argument for you. >> the big problem i have with this, first of all, george bush is not on the ballot. about how has the president done and what is his vision for the next four years. this is a curious time to blame george bush. it's a long end to his administration. he could have made that the next year. and job growth has been so stagnant and remarkably lousy that i just don't think it works with most voters. i know what joan's saying.
bush is not on the ballot and i don't think it's going to work for president obama. if he wants to win, he's got to hope for two things. that the economy approves and that he gives a vision for the future. >> the p president laid out his ideas. here's that audio. >> i believe we need a plan for better education and training and for energy independence and for new research and innovation, for rebuilding our infrastructure. and if you agree with me, if you believe this economy grows best when everybody gets a fair shot and everybody does their fair share and everybody plays by the same set of rules, then i ask you to stand with me for a second term as president. >> here's the the part that i'm not getting from him, joan. the part that says if the gop maintains control of the house and if there's continued i'll say the word, intransigent on
the part of the republicans who will provide the leadership in the house, then how is he going to get any of these things accomplished. i haven't heard it from romney either. neither of them has zrased the hyper partisanship. are you hearing something i'm n not? >> he said it's up to the voters to break the stalemate and pointed back even to reagan, who i criticized before, did something at the end of the speech which said our post war america was strong because we had a bipartisan consensus about the the role of the government in growing the economy. it wasn't that government did it alone, that government controlled everything, it was that we built roads and funded rnd and schools and public universities because that made
smart people and businesses strong and we are stuck because this republican party has moved so far to the right. so his goal and the three of us can disagree about whether this is going to be effective. he's saying you have to break the stalemate. tell the republican party why have you gone off a cliff and lost your minds? >> but john feehery, we don't have a parliamentary system. >> last time the democrats had control of everything, the next midterm election was such an overwhelming rejection of president obama and the democratic leadership's policy. it was historic. i'm glad joan mentioned reagan. he used to say the nine most terrifying words, i'm from the
government. i'm here to help. that is the beautiful thing about these two speeches in ohio because they xwif us a philosophical divide. if you believe the government is going to help you with all of your problems, you're going to vote for president obama. if you believe the private sector is is going to create jobs, you vote for mitt romney. i think you know, the government is so completely unpopular with most voters. this is a good place for the romney campaign to be. >> joan walsh, does the president need to offer something more than we received yesterday? been called the only adult in the room in the past on these issues. i think that proposition's being tested now. >> frankly, he does. honestly, what he did today with his you know, individual dream act maneuver i think is is going to be way more important than
any speeches he lives. he should have been looking for as many things on his own, be it executive orders that can move the needle for people and do it on jobs as well. i don't think he is outlining a bold enough jobs plan. i don't think he's saying this is how we're going to put people to work. in enough detail. even yesterday, he talked about how we've began to come out of the recession. but he didn't talk about his own recovery act, which actually did help us get to a certain point. now, mitt romney -- >> i think you make a good observation. >> i'm out of time. something to be desired in this report. i've got to say thanks to john and joan. up next, mitt romney can't outrun the infamous story of how he put the dog on the roof for the family vacation. find out what happened on the campaign trail and if you want to follow me on twitter, figure
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welcome back to "hardball." time for the side show. first up, jon stewart took on senate banking -- jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dimon. >> nice and good he is and huge he is. about how terrible they, the senate are. >> we can hardly sit in judgment of your losing 2 billion. we lose twice that every day here in washington. >> did senator demint think that spending money is the same as losing money? you know, $10 million here yesterday, but now, all i see is
this [ bleep ] highway. i don't know understand. where's my money. next, the story romney's on a bus tour through new hampshire and guess who's right there with him? that's right, an suv called the romney mobile with a fake dog strapped to the roof. you can see it there. next up, in michigan, two democratic legislation speaking of the state house floor this week one seemingly referring to her vagina over a heated debate. >> i have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. why are you asking me to adopt
yours? and finally, mr. speaker, i'm flattered that your all so interested in my vagina, but no means no. >> brown later told "the daily beast," if i said elbow, would i have gotten in trouble? if you're regulating vaginas, i don't know how we're not supposed to talk about them. the second was told she was out of order for arguing for her amendment, which would force men getting vasectomievasectomies, n for the speaker said the decision was about to keep the floor debate civil and mature. and lastly, governor rick scott tells the miami herald that he voted by provisional ballot in 2006. why? quote, you can't vote because you're dead. you passed away according to our voter roles. scott says he was told. after providing his i.d., they
allowed him to vote. he was born the same day as noot richard scott who had passed away. up next, the race factor. a new zudty says that barack obama might be bigger four years ago were it not for race. what duds it mean for november's election? that's ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing new dentyne split to fit pack. it splits in to two smaller, sleeker packs that fit almost anywhere so you can take them everywhere. dentyne split to fit. practice safe breath.
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difference. seth stevens conducted the study. he's a doctoral candidate in economics as harvard. dr. james peterson is a professor at lehigh university. a get the fact people in the bible belt are prone to googling god. you're telling me we americans google porn more than weather? >> and smerconish is googled in pennsylvania. >> why you mentioned those in the same sentence, i don't know, but that's okay. there's a graph i want to put up on the screen and this documents the research. it shows that in media markets with the highest frequency of rationally charged searches, obama underperformed. would you expand? >> basically, you can predict how many votes obama should have received based on how many other democrats receive. for example, john kerry in tour,
also the fact that democrats were more popular in 2008 than in 2004. >> in what part of the country, give me specific examples, where people were more prone to search the n word? >> research is not to point out and put down any particular part of the country, the search rate was highest in west virginia, western pennsylvania, eastern ohio, upstate new york, southern mississippi, but it turned out to be relatively common throughout the united states. >> and you say you extrapolate the data and say there was a 3 to 5% decrease in the obama vote in '08? from continuing racial prejudice in the united states, yes. >> does this make sense to you? the premise is built on the notion that if you're searching for the n word, there's something that can be implied. i've tried to figure out why you
would search the n word and i can't come up with anything. >> seth can probably articulate this you better than i can. most of these folk are looking for sites that basically depict african-americans in negative ways, tell sort of racialized jokes and thinks of that nature and i got to tell you, michael, i'm not surprised by this, but i think it's very, very empowering to have a quantitative data to match up with analysis that we've been doing on shows like "hardball" and other shows. because when it gets down to brass tax, we know that racism is still out there and we tend to think of it as only existing among folks in certain regions, but this search data is really important, it's not just on presidential elections. that's one way of thinking about it, but one of the most important reasons to consider here is that it still affects racial black folk all over this
country. >> seth, it seems to me that if 3 to 5% of folks had gone for obama who didn't, we would be talking a landslide of -- >> you have to recall just how republicans were in the 2008 election cycle. so, george bush had one of the lowest approval ratings in history at the time of the election. remember, obama was consistently comparing mccain to george bush, trying to tie them together and also, mccain made some big campaign blunders such as seeming to not be able to understand the problem of the economy. >> did you take into consideration the president's race was an asset in certain quarters? whether there were write liberals voting or more inclined to do so because of his rate or a vote that perhaps boosted turn joet in those community? >> he gained about one
percentage of the vote total from increased african-american support and turnout. i don't think there was a huge and i looked at the data a whole bunch of ways. as you mentioned, we think of that as more liberal position and these individuals were likely to support any democratic candidate. >> professor peterson, do you think seth's research comes as news in boston and chicago? meaning if the romney and obama headquarters? in other words, have they already factored this in and are they campaign ing in a way that takes into account these prejudices? >> i think both campaigns have factored it in. if you look back at the presidential primaries and people were asking questions, why is birtherism still around, why being played by newt gingrich and rick santorum and other folk. part of the reason is because of this data that seth put on the
table. there's a significant statistically significant percentage of the voting population that will be impacted and sometimes charged up by that type of racialized politics. think about a state like michigan. if you take three to five points away from obama in that state, that's a very difficult challenge for the president, so it interesting information. >> pundits often talk about the different paths toward success that the president might entertain and if you apply seth's model, i think what it says because he bears down on west virginia versus colorado. for those of us conversant about the different paths, it might mean the western path is the route they they should per suing. a quick reaction. >> i would agree. when you look at some of these regions and states that seth has
parnlged out, it seems like the west coast and areas more populated by the latino voters are the route to go. i assure you that the obama campaign has multiple ways of getting to 270. >> thank you. we appreciate your time. up next, the jerry sandusky trial we'll meet an attorney representing one of the victims in the case. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ shivering ] sorry. sore knee. blast of cold feels nice. why don't you use bengay zero degrees? it's the one you store in the freezer. gives that instant cold sensation. that's chilly. same medicated pain reliever used by physical therapists. and it lasts for hours. [ sigh of relief ] [ short breath ] [ longer breath ] [ short breath ] [ male announcer ] new bengay zero degrees. freeze and move on.
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week as he fights the 52 charges of sexual abuse he faces. with me now is tom klein, a trial attorney representing a 23-year-old man known as victim number five who testified on wednesday. he's a named partner at the law firm where i'm associated. tom, big picture view. what did the prosecution establish this past week? >> michael, there was a compelling case established with eight victims, all young men, all who came into the courtroom who said that they didn't want to be there. by two independent witnesses, a janitor and the star witness, michael mcquery, an assistant coach who went to joe paterno in 2001 and then to higher ups and penn state and told them he had witnessed a horrible incident in the shower room at penn state. it was a dramatic, compelling trial. i was there for every minute of
it. >> what's to come next week in your estimation? >> well, as of 2:21 this afternoon, the judge entered an order which allows the defense to call psychological testimony. this is a new and i think blockbuster event in the trial. it could represent a seismic shift in the defense of the case. i saw the defense shaping up to essentially trying to chip away at the credibility of various witnesses. now the defense appears to be ready to say that jerry sandusky had something called historyonic personality disorder, someone who seeks excessive attention from other individuals. a really major event occurred this afternoon while we were not in court. there was no court today and a lot of people were wondering why and the judge was obviously considering this motion and it appears to be a shift in str
strategy by the defense. >> how has penn state's credibility, meaning the university's credibility, been impacted by the testimony thus far? >> oh, penn state has suffered tremendously during the course of this trial. it is now known that literally from 1998 and by 2002, everyone from the janitor to the president of the university knew. in this trial, it have a staff push the janitors had witnessed events in the in the earlier period, and then mr. mcquery witnessed an event in the shower. it is terrible for penn state. >> how does your client fit into the big picture narrative? how does he fit into the big picture narrative of this case? >> sure. he is what i would call a linkage witness. he was a one-time witness in the
shower, but he establishes with so many of these young men establish. which is that repetitively, there was a pattern which was systematic which involved getting these boys in the shower or alone and then having some kind of forced, compulsion on them. that's really what the story is here. it is a story that is sor id. >> thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> robert was district attorney for a neighboring county in pennsylvania where this went down. you said something earlier this week on my radio program. you said there had been a lack of professional witnesses. >> there aren't any police officers, no csi investigator rs, there's not a coroner, a detective. there haven't been in experts come on who get paid to testify.
this is all about victims and two eyewitnesses. and it's on like the o.j. case, on like the casey anthony case. it presents a much more difficult case for a prosecutor. because you don't have those professional witnesses there to witnesses there to lead the jury along. you've got to do it yourself. that's what joe mcgettigan has done. he's taken this as if he were a tour guide for the truth and they're on the journey with them. and he's used the witnesses to make his case. >> tom just referenced and this is today's big headline. histrion histrionic. >> when i heard this news today, i immediately thought this is great for the prosecution. because the jurors are now going to know a name for something other than pedophilia that jerry
sandusky did with these boys. it doesn't mean he's incompetent. it doesn't mean he's insane. it just as a different label. i think it would only enhance the prosecution. i see the jurors just looking at this and just shaking their head. >> if jerry sandusky couldn't handle bob costas on a mobile phone, how could he stand up to cross examination that would come if he took the stand? >> i think -- to use a football term here -- the only thing that's going to happen here, they need a hail mary. if you look at the testimony presented especially thursday afternoon, the final victim coming forward saying he was in the basement screaming as if it were soundproof. then the trial ended for the weekend. those jurors are going to be thinking about that all weekend long. they're going to hear those screams. i think the defense has to do a hail mary. that may mean putting sandusky on the stand. i think the jurors will want to hear that. >> doesn't that also preclude
mrs. sandusky being the hail mary. that the testimony that was offered, that ghastly testimony on thursday that she was present, that she was upstairs. >> and the victim said at that point as if the room in the basement was soundproof. well, it wasn't soundproof to those jurors. so i think sandusky was promised in the opening by the defense in their statement he would take the witness stand. >> we have just a minute or so left together. you were a close personal friend of ray grecarr. people following the case know there was the '98 investigation. your friend didn't prosecute the case. he then disappeared. his computer was found, et cetera, et cetera. talk to me about him. would he have declined to move forward against penn state? >> he feared no one as a prosecutor. no institution. he had many cases involving personalities at penn state. we used to kid him about it as
d.a.s tend to do. he would view that as a challenge. and he would be aggressive in his pursuit of he was a champion for victims. if he felt there was evidence, he would take it wherever he went. >> as to how this fits together. what i'm hering is you don't think it fits together at all. >> completely unrelated. there's no known causal connection between 1998 and 2005 when a guy's going out of office with eight months to go. >> at this clip just 30 seconds left. this is the antithesis of o.j. four days in the prosecution case is about to rest. this could rap up next week. >> absolutely. i think it will. i think the jury will get it in the mid-part of the week. and by this week next time we should have a verdict. >> the way things stand now. he's presumed innocent. >> i think the testimony -- the way it was laid off --
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timeless nuggets would be good advice for our politicians. so today on the radio, i asked my audience what advice they've received from their own fathers that they'd like to pass on to president obama and governor romney. i heard some pretty good stuff. wendy from michigan said she hopes whoever is president understands her father's advice. you're not going to like every job you have. but a job worth having is worth doing well. which sometimes being the president is thankless. but do your best in every aspect of it. your last suit would have no pockets meaning you're going to leave office as you came in. and be sure to act in a manner you can hold your head high. tony in indianapolis says nothing good happens after 11 which should mean politicians not wait until the 11th hour to take care of the people's business. or it might mean beware of the fund raising shin digs. they don't resonate well when
people are worried about their next paycheck. via twitter, i received answers from peg who said her father told her god gave you two ears and one mouth so you can listen more than you speak. and there's a time and a place for everything. i think that has a message as to timing and perhaps knowing when it's your turn to run for office. a friend told me his father said praise in public, criticize in private. in political speak that could mean how you treat your staff, the media, the voters is critical. every look and gaffe will be analyzed in this 24/7 news cycle. and a producer of mine said his father told him if your friends jump off a cliff, you don't have to. what about if your fellow candidates are raising their hand for to r spending cuts to tax hikes. you don't have