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good evening. i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. leading off tonight, etch a sketch people. during the republican primaries, mitt romney tried to outflank his conservative opposition with talk of self-deportation and support for arizona's tough immigration law. today, eager, some might say desperate to win over latino votes, romney softened his tone and talked of bipartisan reform. can he etch a sketch away the months of tough talk with one speech? plus the romney campaign tells florida's rick scott stop talking about how good the state's economy is. it clashes with our message. also why is team obama smiling over the contempt vote against attorney general holder? because it allows the democrats to tie mitt romney to an unpopular and they would argue
extreme republican majority. and we may now know why jerry sandusky decided at the last minute not to testify at his own trial. and it involves what his adopted son would have said about him on the stand. finally, leave it to joe the plumber to blame the holocaust on gun control. you heard me right. hey, joe, stick to plumbing. leslie sanchez and bob shrum. to vote for their party that would spell doom for them? today romney had a chance to chip away at obama's lead in that community. he was speaking to a group of hispanic leaders at the national association of latino elected and appointed officials in florida. after last week's executive order from president obama on halting deportations from some illegal residents, romney was expected to clarify where he stands on that issue. how'd he do?
let's take a look. >> last week the president finally offered a temporary measure. he called it a stopgap measure. that he seems to think will be enough to get him through the election. some people have asked if i will let stand the president's executive order. the answer is i will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace the president's temporary measure. as president i won't settle for stopgap measures. i'll work with republicans and democrats to build a long-term solution. >> leslie, did he offer today that which you thought he needed to close that gap in the latino community? >> i did. i mean, i would point to one thing. i think many analysts, many folks are saying he had to speak specifically to the immigration issue. i think what governor romney had to do that he did very well is speak to having an alternative that latinos can be the jump ball. he spoke particularly on this
issue of immigration i think the most important part, two points he said. one he would have his own permanent solution to this. and two he would work with democrats. that spirit of bipartisanship in a crowd that is overwhelmingly democratic officials is extremely important. they want to know it's a safe bet for someone who will work with them. >> but was he not lacking in specifics of what that long-term play would be? >> i don't think so. i think he laid out a more general specific outline of immigration reform. i mean, there's a lot more discussion that needs to go into that. both exterior and interior. he talked about the value of making legal immigration better. there were strong applause lines there. the most important thing governor romney did was he focused on the economy. latinos are going to be looking at their own pocketbook as much as people would like to say it's the issue of immigration. immigration is the lens by which they will judge him. >> bob shrum you know about this.
unless romney closes that gap with the hispanic community, then he's a stone cold loser. is that necessarily the case? can he maintain the position where he is now and still pursue a strategy where he wins? >> well, he has to get 40% of the hispanic vote. there's not a lot karl rove and i agree on, but that's the truth. if he doesn't do that, i don't see how he wins the white house, number one. number two, that was a wonderful phrase leslie had. a general specific plan. i thought -- >> i work hard on those, bob. >> i thought it was remarkably vague. and he did say that he was going to take away the president's provision to end deportations for those who were brought here as kids, as children and who are now young people except for those in the military. that means millions of people who have obeyed the law and graduated from high school and gotten a ged are back in immigration limbo. i don't think it's enough for
him after all he said in the primaries. the obama campaign will remind people in this in television advertising all the way to the election. i don't think it's enough to offer generalities. leslie had a good recommendation in a new york times op ed piece. he risks losing the vast majority of hispanics and the election. he didn't embrace the dream act. >> leslie, he's done his opposition research on you. >> no, i actually agree with her on that. >> it wasn't quite like that. >> romney's message to focused on the group. he made an economic argument. let's watch. >> hispanics have been hit disproportionately hard. while the national unemployment is still above 8% and has been for 40 straight months, hispanic unemployment is at 11%. immigration reform is not just a moral imperative, it's also an economic necessity.
immigrants with advanced degrees start companies, create jobs, and they drive innovation at a high rate. if you get an advanced degree here, we want you to stay here. so i'd staple a green card to the diploma. >> leslie, rank the issues immigration and economy for the latino community. in other words, there's a tendency for those of us outside the community to think that illegal immigration or how to deal with lawful immigration is absolutely the paramount issue even for those already here as citizens about to vote in this election. are you voting no it's the economy that takes priority? >> absolutely. for 30 years the democrats have earned no less than 60% of the hispanic vote until george w. bush. and what bush did was shifted the conversation for this open
minded swing vote latino voter to the economy. they started looking at their own financial security, good jobs, the ability to shift businesses. that shift continued. many gave the benefit of the doubt to president obama. and that was what's interesting about this speech. governor romney stressed. obama is popular in the community. i'm asking you are you better -- it was basically the idea are you better off. there is a better alternative. it was important. it was a savvy move. he's speaking to their personal interest of small business. which are thriving and growing. he talked about repealing it and replacing it. these are folks that understand the economics of the hispanic vote. >> i wonder if he's locked in by the things he said in primary season. in the primaries, romney ran to the right of his opponents on the issue of immigration. even championing a position of what he called self-deportation
for illegals. at one debate, he hit rick perry for his record in texas. >> if you've been in the state of texas for three years, if you're working towards your college degree and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of texas, you pay in-state tuition there. >> if they came for handout, they're going for democrats. of course we'd build a fence. and of course we do not give in-state tuition credits to people who've come here illegally. that only attracts people that continue to come here and take advantage of america's great benefits. >> big applause line on the republican primary season. but are those sort of statements now an impediment for where he needs to be to appeal to a general election audience? >> sure. they're a big impediment. he's going to hear them over and over again. what we just heard was a rewriting of history in my view. did a good job in the hispanic community in 2004. that's because he was in the
process of working with ted kennedy, with john mccain toward a comprehensive of the kind ronald reagan had. >> that's delusional. >> you know what? you talked. i'll finish. what happened there was not the economy which was not in great shape in 2004. in fact, there was no net job creation during the bush administration. look. hispanic voters are smart just like other voters. they know where this economic problem came from. they know it came from the bush economic policies. romney wants to reinstitute those policies. if you look at some of the state polls this week, they're very interesting. new poll out in arizona where the president's only three points behind. that's remarkable. a ten point flip in florida, he's now four points ahead. if you look inside those polls a lot of that is being driven by hispanics. i don't think the only specific proposal aside from enforcement he had would leave millions of people in limbo is going to help them with the hispanic community. i think they see through the argument.
>> leslie you can respond to that. but also address the issue of whether what really happened here is that romney was trumped both romney and rubio were trumped in that they were intending to pursue something very similar to that with the president announced last friday. but he beat them to the punch. >> i think there's some validity to that. i heard senator rubio talking about that. that it took a lot of the impetus pressure behind his colleagues to move forward with something right away, that heat is gone basically. i think in an election year it's always very tough to move forward on immigration reform. i think that as long as the democrats continue to believe that immigration reform is the deciding factor for latino voters that republicans have clear opportunity to make end roads. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i gave you a a chance. >> thank you, both. thank you leslie and bob. coming up, enough with the good news already.
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welcome back to "hardball." we've seen signs that the economy is improving in battle ground states. what we haven't seen until today is how much that concerns the romney campaign. bloomberg reports mitt romney's presidential campaign asked florida governor rick scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state's economy because they clash with the romney campaign saying that the nation is suffering under president obama. made the request after scott's re-election campaign sent a press release touting 11 consecutive month bs of improving unemployment numbers. which democrats are saying is a testament to president obama's policies. joining me now is michael steele the former rnc chair and political analyst. and lanny davis. both are partners in the new
bipartisan strategic firm purple nation solutions. so men in the spirit of bipartisanship, let us discuss this. lanny, can they have it both ways? can they trash the president and tout what's going on in their states? >> no, they can't. i'm a little suspicious of an anonymous quotation from two people familiar with the situation. i've been a leaker myself and i don't trust that sourcing by bloom berg. but if that's what they said, i would say that the republicans cannot have it both ways. and governor scott has a right to tout numbers. the ultimate reality is how people feel not which is being touted or what the spin message is. >> and not just any states. we're talking critical swing states. on this list florida chief among them.
>> you're right there. i would disagree with lanny on this point to the extent a lot of this is less about what obama has done or did and more about what the governor is doing and has done to turn his economy around in his state. you forget the federal government doesn't run individual states. it's what the chief executive does the policies put in place to hit the ground running. and certainly florida was very important politically, but it was also important economically. i think the governor has done a number of things to help move that economy in the right direction. so i would agree to the extent that the sources are a little bit suspicious. anyone who can't man up, if you will, and put their name to quotes like that. i'm a little bit suspicious of it. >> let me give you examples of romney's campaign. the republican party had this ad praising the economy in march. >> across florida, here's the news. companies are hiring, expanding, putting more floridians to work. florida's unemployment rate continues to get better.
now at a three-year low. so what's changed. governor rick scott's cutting the red tape. getting government off the backs of businesses. over a dozen new pro-business initiatives passed by governor scott and republican legislators. florida's getting back to work. >> the only thing missing is i'm barack obama and i approve this message. if you were watching that you'd think it was an obama commercial. >> last time i looked the florida governor had bad approval numbers. please just sign it paid for by the barack obama campaign. i don't really believe it matters. and although michael and i, we came together as a company and looking for solutions and we're purpose, the fact is it really doesn't matter. it matters how people feel. and right now there is a movement and it does appear to be real that people in the polls are saying that they feel better now than last year and the year before about the direction of the economy. and that's what ronald reagan benefitted from in 1984 after the '82 recession.
>> michael steele, isn't it true generally we give politicians too much credit and too much blame? that there are a lot of things going on out there that frankly they're not calling the shot for but they're happy to take the praise and reluctant to take the criticism. >> you might be dead on about that. there's a real truth there that you come into office and you've got to deal with the residual. we spent the first three and a half years listening to barack obama whine about george bush, for example. there's some truth to that. but there's also the reality that commercial is a reflection of the steps and the efforts that the governor has taken in his state to turn around to work with the republican legislators, to cut the red tape to put the businesses back to work. so i think you've got to be very careful when you try to federalize individual states and the work that the governors are doing. in our state with governor ehrlich where we inherited a deficit from the previous democratic administration over
the course of four years. fixed that $2 billion, raised an additional $2 billion in revenue that we were able to put in the bank. and we did it without raising taxes and relying on the federal government necessarily to get it done. >> i love you, but you're now saying it's true for other guys but in my state we did deserve the credit. >> no, what i'm saying is i'm saying that's true for scott as well. that he has the opportunity to turn his state around and he has done that. you talk about the polls, the people in the polls will remember that scott walker was not very popular in the state of wisconsin and look what happened a couple weeks ago. >> let me give you other examples. rick scott's not alone in this. republican governors all over the country are bringing attention to their state's economic process. john kasich publicly praised his state's new jobs and falling rick snyder called michigan the comeback state of the united states. aired an ad on the state's progress since he took office and wisconsin scott walker who mentioned credited the economy
for his point in the recall election. >> can we just say straight i think michael will agree with this. if the situation were in reverse and the unemployment was going up in florida, rick scott would be blaming barack obama. now, let's just get it straight. both sides play this nonsense game. and by the way, the polls you showed michael, a 1% margin isn't a margin at all. it's within the margin of error. and the flip of whatever you said in florida, we still have my president who i'm supporting stuck in the 40s with all the things i think so are wrong with mitt romney. he's still stuck in the 40s. so we have a tight contest here. it is going to be about real perceptions of the economy, not how people are spinning it. >> i'm coming to your office. i want to see the purple interior. that intrigues me most. thank you michael steele and lanny davis. up next, joe the plumber hits a new low in campaigning. he blames the holocaust on gun control. this is "hardball" the place for politics. those surprising little things she does
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welcome back to "hardball." now time for the sideshow. first up, all five romney sons. that would be josh, tag, craig, when. appeared on conan yesterday. conan came up with a way to keep track of their names. >> this seems like a joke. i have name tags for you. could you distribute these. i honestly don't know who's who and i've been looking at pictures today. josh, tag, craig, ben, matt. my first question, why the name tag? all of you guys, all boys. all boys. so my question is is one of you a girl being raised as a boy?
>> ben, you want to take this one? >> this seems like a large family to me. but this is just the tip of the iceberg. we have a photo here of a family gathering of the romneys. absolutely incredible. when you get together, there's a global khaki shortage. i love that you're all dressed the same but you can tell ben is the rebel in stripes. check that out. >> and they were good sports about it. next, if you're having trouble keeping up with the conspiracy theories around fast and furious. perhaps you should let stephen colbert set things straight. >> i'm so mad about this, folks. just thinking about fast and furious makes me, i don't know, quickly angry. >> clearly they made a crisis and they're using this crisis to somehow take away or limit people's second amendment right. >> yes. very clearly. obama started this gun-tracking
program in 2006 when he hypnotized george bush. then he secretly ordered attorney general holder to order the justice department to order the atf to order gun shops to sell guns to mexican drug cartels and then lose track of them thereby panicking americans to gin up support for the draconian gun control measure that obama has never introduced. >> you got all that? now he's advice for wannabe super pacs. learn to spell check. might involve money from outside the bay state, they spelled massachusetts wrong. the boston globe is reporting the super pac filed last week to correct a misspelling. this is how they spelled with an extra s and missing a t.
the group's treasurer declined to give any details about that which raises in terms of which races they're going to get involved with. he cited instructions from quote, the people in charge. and who would they be? according to marsten, quote, the people who pay me. thank you for clearing that up. let's hope they spell your name correctly on your paycheck. finally, have you seen the new web ad for joe the plumber. that joe the plumber who's running for congress in ohio against marcy captor. take a look and see if you can figure out why certain jewish groups are calling the ad offensive. >> in 1911 turkey established gun control. armenians were -- exterminated. from 1939 to 19456 million jews and 7 million others unable to defend themselves were exterminated.
>> i love america. >> using genocide for partisan political gain, pretty low even for a wannabe member of congress. up next, why team obama loves the fight with republicans that want to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. if you want to follow me on twitter, figure out how to spell smerconish. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics.
welcome back to "hardball." if there was any doubt president obama intends to tie mitt romney to the republican congress, it was erased in the president's big economic speech in ohio. >> governor romney disagrees with my vision. his allies in congress disagree with my vision. mr. romney and his allies in congress -- mr. romney and the current republican congress -- governor romney and the republican who is run congress -- that's what mr.
romney will say. that's what the republicans in congress will say. >> and at the moment, the republican congress is tied to an investigation of attorney general eric holder. and by asserting executive privilege, now president obama is in the thick of the fight. is this where the obama campaign wants to be? and a senior political analyst for msnbc. steve kornacki is senior writer from salon.com and will be cohost of msnbc 3:00 show "the cycle." both pelosi and boehner put their spin on the politics of the holder investigation. >> instead of bringing job-creating legislation to the floor, the transportation bill, they are holding the attorney general of the united states in contempt of congress. for doing his job.
>> the decision to invoke executive privilege is an admission that the white house officials were involved in decisions that misled the congress and have covered up the truth. >> do you buy the theory that the president injected himself into this through executive privilege because he wanted to again be at odds with the gop-controlled house? >> i don't think that was his motivation. i'm really not entirely sure what his motivation is. clearly part of it is like all presidents to protect the prerogatives of the office. but i do think as your introduction suggested that they are unhappy when the president's seen as being strong and decisive and standing up to a republican congress who to americans are part of the problem. >> what if a vote is taken and some break ranks. that it's not a partisan vote. then how is it spun? >> that will be a big deal. i think for the most part i think the american people hear things like john boehner versus nancy pelosi like this.
if they say this isn't what we should be doing or the democrats say there are questions here, then i think it becomes a different issue and moves out of the rem of pure politics and more into what is in part which is a constitutional clash between two branches of government over some important principles about investigating and oversight of the executive branch. >> steve, i think it rallies the gop base. you'd be unsurprised to hear that i entertained a lot of radio callers today who essentially said what's he got to hide? how deep is the president involved in this?
>> yeah. i think the origins of this one are really important to kind of keep in mind here. it's sort of the reason why john boehner has the choice to go forward with and why every republican in congress. and that is this is a scandal that began on the right. it began on the right. the right had decided when obama became president that one of the top targets in the administration, one of the symbols for their resentment of the administration would be eric holder. there would have been a target on the back since the obama administration began. this has been the thing that's been pushed on the right. talk radio, cable news, outlets like that. and now it's finally because republicans control the house, they're able to push this thing far enough that it gets exposure. i think as mark said it's a fight that democrats are not
upset about having. as nancy pelosi says, they can say look there's no scandal here. let's talk about jobs. meanwhile, a guy like boehner because his base is pushing this. he's not trusted by the conservative base. he has to be appeasing them as speaker. he has no choice but to carry the water on this one. and it does excite the republican base. but they were always excited about this. >> mark, does the nra -- put on notice that their votes on the contempt issue were being watched. the nra's chief lobbyist said this. this is an issue of the utmost seriousness and the nra will consider this in our future candidate evaluations. >> that may influence some office holders on the ballot. this is not a central election just over the center. it's not just an election about energing the base. it's both. while we monitor closely on issues like this. what mitt romney and john boehner are doing, are they being dragged too far to the right. you can bet that the nra will use its strength and wealth and expertise in communicating with base voters. i think there are some voters that in pennsylvania and ohio and wisconsin who may from the nra on this issue to contribute more, maybe volunteer more. maybe to vote when they otherwise wouldn't be energized to vote. that is a factor here. i think the republicans can be
pleased about even if they might be losing the battle in the center on this issue to some extent. >> steve, what drives the antipathy from the right? if all the cabinet members and others tracked it. it's holder who is most per sooeed as the surrogate of obama and who has the wrath of the harshest criticism. it could be uncomfortable to talk about this stuff. you have to can consider the possibility there might be an aspect of race and culture in that. you have the justice department. first of all, you have the carricture of obama in the right a lot. that he's this sort of secret black radical. and he's looking to sort of maybe take away rights or take away -- you know, take away the sort of, you know, money from white people and redistribute it and that sort of thing. so you take a prominent black lawyer and put him in charge of the obama justice department. to people who traffic in that sort of thing, it is kind of a lightning rod. i mean, i picked up on it too. i can remember the end of 2008 and 2009, you remember all the cabinet secretaries having to go
in there for confirmation. there was geithner. he has his tax issue. the only other one i remember was eric holder. >> there's no doubt. he's incurred the same internet wrath. those e-mails that i still get in all capital letters, you must read this. that if they weren't typed they'd be written with a crayon. i wanted to ask you that question. thank you both for being here. mark halperin and steve kornacki. up next, the jury has the case. the latest from the courthouse next. this is "hardball" the place for politics. want to start the day with something heart healthy and delicious? you're a talking bee... honey nut cheerios has whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol. and it tastes good? sure does! right... ♪ wow. delicious, right? yeah. it's the honey, it makes it taste so...
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we're back. after closing arguments in bellefonte, pennsylvania, a jury has begun deliberating on the 48 counts of sex abuse jerry sandusky faces all of which he denies. nbc's michael isikoff reported this morning that sandusky declined to testify after prosecutors warned his legal team if he took the stand his adopted son matt was ready to act as a prosecution witness with a damaging rebuttal. and just a short time ago, we learned what that would have been. matt's attorneys confirmed that he, too, claims to be an abuse victim of jerry sandusky. michael isikoff is here with me now. i saw your report on the "today" show this morning. this is quite a bomb shell. >> yes, it was. and when prosecutors warned the defense team about this this week, it was pretty explosive news. and it was from all indications, it was a factor perhaps the most important factor in jerry sandusky's decision not to testify.
this went down to the wire yesterday. there was wide expectation sandusky would take the stand. i was in the courtroom. just during a recess he got summoned by his lawyers to discuss this issue. then they go into the judge's chambers. when sandusky emerged, he looked somber almost ashen. you could tell that he was really in very bad straits and had been almost hit in the gut with something he hadn't expected. now, when he exactly learned that matt sandusky, his son who's been -- adopted son who's been a supporter all this time had turned on him, we don't know. but it clearly seemed to have an effect yesterday. >> michael, there was reference made -- passing reference made by one of the alleged victims during his testimony to an encounter where matt was present and the question from prosecutor mcgettigan as i recall was did his face reveal his expression or some such thing.
and i hope you know what i'm talking about. i wonder whether reference to him caused him to come forward or maybe if the prosecutor made reference to him so as to drive home the threat to sandusky we're going to call him if we need to. >> well, what we do know is that matt sandusky was in the courtroom that day. this is the opening day of the trial. and the young man known as victim number four was testifying. and that is where matt sandusky's -- that's the day matt sandusky's name surfaced in the testimony. and then after that matt sandusky dropped from sight. he was not seen back in the courtroom. and did not reemerge in the courthouse until our nbc cameras caught him entering the courthouse yesterday morning with state troopers. and then exiting right after court adjourned. so all indications are that matt sandusky had flipped, had gone over to the prosecutors. in fact, the statement from his lawyers today says he was retained last week to negotiate an arrangement to contact the
prosecutors in this case. and that they had him on hand to testify if jerry sandusky took the stand they would bring matt sandusky on as rebuttal. >> and quickly, it underscores the prospect of more charges that jerry sandusky could face when this outcome is behind us. >> certainly that, but look. there's a lot of other aspects to this case as you know. there's a wide ranging investigation including into higher level penn state officials, what they knew, what they testified to, whether they testified to truthfully. there are new e-mails that have been gotten. they've got a lot on their plate. i think prosecutors are hoping to get a quick conviction here and then move on to the people they believe were his enablers. >> thank you, michael isikoff. when i have an opportunity to offer let me finish tonight, i'm going to talk about what's still to come in this case. joining me now also from the
courthouse in pennsylvania is tom kline. he's an attorney representing the young man known as victim five in this case. he's also a main partner of the law firm where i'm associated. tom, i learned from joe amendola's closing argument today that you were to blame. it's the attorneys and it's all about money. >> it's cops, prosecutors, media, and lawyers. in some order. >> in other words, it's a grand conspiracy of o.j.-like proportions, that's essentially what amendola is asking the jury to believe. >> it's a conspiracy that started with one victim that came to the prosecution. they coerced and convinced seven other individuals -- actually more than that they should also testify that they somehow made up these gruesome, horrible acts, that they all came in and
testified under oath to that. that then they hired lawyers, some of them that the lawyers put words in their mouth and even that in one instance because one of the members of the print media had suggested to the mom, hey, mom, did she reach out to the prosecutors that she was part of the conspiracy. the prosecutor countered by simply saying this kind of conspiracy, like all conspiracy falls on its own weight. >> the prosecutor said if this is what it's all about -- i'm paraphrasing. you've been in the courtroom, but you may as well go ahead and cuff me. >> i heard every lick of testimony, and i heard a veteran prosecutor closing speech. that's what he said. he looked at the jury and put his hands towards himself and he said, me, too, then. me, too. as though to say, bring it on old-fashioned style i might add. >> tom, this jury has just now taken its dinner break, and they'll recess for an hour or so
and come back and they're going to continue their deliberations. they've had a long day all right, right? they've been there since 9:00 if not sooner. what does that tell you about their demeanor, focus, et cetera? >> i think conventional wisdom is they have to work through what is now 48 counts, and it's going to have to take some time. a jury that's telling us as an old hand used to waiting for juries to come back, if they're asking to go to dinner and then come back, it may tell us that they're closer than we think. that would be my reading by just reading tea leaves. >> i have 30 seconds left with you. is your anticipation that this -- if it was a guilt verdict to some extent would be an all or nothing? >> oh, i believe looking at this jury that they will look carefully at it, and i would be very surprised if it was just flat-out all guilty. this looks and appears to be the kin of jury that's going to carefully sift through evidence, and i think we're going to see the way i read the evidence guilty on some very important
charges. but i also think they may find some things less credible than others, just my sense of it. >> tom kline, we appreciate your time. >> when we return allow me to unanswered questions. >> announcer: meet mary. she loves to shop online with her debit card, and so does bill, an identity thief who stole mary's identity, took over her bank accounts and stole her
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so the sandusky jury is finally out. no doubt many can't wait until this legal process reaches a conclusion. the subject matter is unpleasant, the testimony is hard to read, but this is not the end of the inquiry and nor should it be. jerry sandusky with have his fate determined soon, but there are many questions and issues still to be resolved, and the only way to protect children in the future is to ensure we've learned the lessons of the past. among the unresolved matters was the investigation handles expeditiously. the patriot news where the reporter sarah began none won a pulitzer said for the first year of the investigation there was only one investor assigned to the case, and it took that investor a full year to learn that sandusky had been the subject of a prior criminal probe. there was similar delay in recognizing that sandusky had written a book oddly titled "touched" which was a road map for finding alleged victims. all the while the say attorney general office had a large staff
investigating state corruption in a matter called bonus-gate. was that an appropriate distribution of resources? a second question, during the trial reports surfaced than the independent investigation by louis free has uncovered e-mails that in the upper echelon of penn state's leadership where there was a desire to treat sandusky humanely when mcqueary's report was first reported. that requires a full vetting and perhaps additional criminal charges. there are criminal charges against penn state officials for perjury and a failure to report what mcqueary told them. mcqueary was a credible witness at the sandusky trial. it's important that the legal system now hold accountable those individual who is had a duty to report and did not. fourth, there will be and should be civility gags in the event of a conviction. if the criminal jury finds sandusky responsible, those young men with entitled to be fairly and fully compensated for
the horror. finally society needs to recognize the failure of adults to protect the interests of children. the prosecution of jerry sandusky brought to like many instances where adults had reason to suspect bad behavior but did not exhaust their remedies to protect children. mike mcqueary's claim is well-known, but there were many other instances. the janitor who failed to report to police, the d.a. who investigated and the wrestling coach saw sandusky on the floor with a young man. the school officials initially skeptical of the abuse clams of the boy that stepped forward with a complaint. and the parents who did not perceive the unhealthy name of the relationship between the football coach and their sons. this chapter might be over, but we can't yet close the book. that's hardball for now. thank you for being with us.