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right now on "andrea mitchell reports" one down, one to go. the high court strikes down most of arizona's immigration law, but upholds one big provision and doesn't rule on racial profiling. what is the fallout for mitt romney and president obama? still ahead, health care coming and fast and furious, plus student loans. what a week. will this be the week that was for the obama re-election campaign. plus, romney's weekend getaway. the inside scoop on a who's who of republican big donors and vice presidential contenders. and historic change. the muslim brotherhood's candidate takes charge but can he rule? and photo finish. an unprecedented tie in the women's 100 meter. they'll now decide who makes the olympic team by a coin toss or run-off. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. in our daily fix today, the supreme court ruled, they voted 5-3, striking down key parts of arizona's immigration law but upholding a key provision requiring police to check the
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immigration status of anyone they detain. chris cillizza is an msnbc contributor and managing editor of nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live at the supreme court and savannah guthrie is nbc's chief legal correspondent, an expanded daily fix because it is such a big deal. pete, first to you. let's break this down, the importance of the ruling, what they did, what they didn't do. >> okay. well, a little bit of a blustery afternoon here at the supreme court. the supreme court upheld, as you said, the most controversial part of the law that said after arizona police arrest someone or detain them for any reason at all, traffic stop, they robbed a bank, whatever it may be, then they are required to check that person's immigration status and the person can't be released until they satisfy themselves on what the the status is. that's the part the supreme court upheld but it did so with several warnings to the state. it was not a full embrace in that provision. it said first of all, we assume
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that the state's not going to just detain someone for a long period. they drew a distinction. they said suppose you pick somebody or stop somebody for jaywalking, you can't hold them until you're satisfied with what their immigration status is if it's going to be a long time. now, if they're arrested, that's another matter. so there were a couple of warnings to arizona on don't hold somebody too long, let's make sure this isn't racial profiling. the court basically said we can't rule for the obama administration that challenged that law because it hasn't gone into effect yet. we don't know exactly how it's going to work. if it works okay, then no problem. but if the state goes too far, then we could have more lawsuits and another case back here at the supreme court. so it's a victory for arizona in that provision, but it's a very narrow one. couple of other things about this, andrea. 5-3 vote written by justice kennedy, the majority opinion, joined by the court's liberals, ginsberg, breyer and sotomayor.
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kagan dissented, sitting this one out because she worked on this issue when she was at the justice department. >> savannah, looking forward, there's going to be a lot more litigation, particularly on racial profiling and other states, we will hear from south carolina, from georgia, from utah, from indiana, they have been just waiting on this and are really poised to leap into action and pass their own laws modeled after what has been left standing in arizona. >> right. so the drafters of laws in those states will be looking very closely at the supreme court decision to figure out what is permissible, what isn't, and as pete just described, even the provision upheld here is sort of upheld until further notice or until further lawsuits and there are sure to be many of them. they have to figure out, as pete mentioned, how this provision actually operates in practice and the supreme court highlighted several potential areas where it could violate the constitution, and secondly, as you mentioned, what this case does not do is address the most controversial aspect of this law
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which is the potential for it to lead to what some people consider racial profiling. so on the one hand, it upheld the portion of the law that allows state officers in arizona to conduct a status check of one's immigration status if a person is already lawfully stopped for another reason, but there hasn't yet been a test case, because this has never gone into effect. so we haven't yet had any plaintiff who is able to file a lawsuit and say hey, wait a minute, i was stopped just because i look a certain way. we can certainly expect once this law goes into effect, we'll see litigation along those lines. >> it's probably worth noting what other parts of the law the court did strike down today. one that says the police can arrest anyone without a warrant that they suspect might be here violating immigration laws. another made it a crime in arizona for a person here illegally to apply for work. the other made it a crime in arizona for someone not to have the right papers. the supreme court said each of those is clearly at odds with federal immigration law. >> before we move on to some of the other cases that the court
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did decide today, and some are very interesting indeed, on this, chris cillizza, the president issued a statement which says in part that -- sorry about that -- i am pleased the supreme court has struck down key provisions of arizona's immigration law, what this decision makes unmistakably clear is that congress must act on comprehensive immigration reform. a patchwork of state laws is not a solution to our broken immigration system. it's part of the problem. at the same time the president continued in his written statement i remain concerned about the practical impact of the remaining provision of the arizona law that requires local law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of anyone they even suspect to be here illegally. of course, the romney statement, the mitt romney statement, takes the opposite turn. president obama has failed to provide any leadership on immigration. i believe that each state has the duty and the right to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities. so you've got the combatants for
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the campaign taking obviously opposite positions here in contrast. >> you know, look, i think broadly, i think we have to look at this broadly because that's where these things are fought, it's going to be fought among people who are paying i think relatively little attention to the day in, day out ups and downs of this campaign and i think if you look at it broadly, talking about immigration is not a good thing for mitt romney. this is an issue on which the base of the party and the hispanic community that the party badly needs to find a way to court are at direct odds. it's why you saw mitt romney essentially say look, president obama has failed on immigration, his campaign said he won't be doing any more statements, won't be appearing on camera, basically they want to say he said what he has to say on immigration, now we're going to talk about the economy again. so any day, i heard chuck todd say this earlier, and i couldn't agree more, any day that the romney campaign isn't talking about the economy, isn't framing the election as are you better off than you were four years ago, is probably not their best day. that said, go and look at any
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poll, i just highlight the "washington post"/abc news poll because that's who i work for, and you ask the open-ended question, what's the single most important issue to you in this l election. 52%, economy, jobs. less than 1% immigration. i think the romney people take a hit in the near term from the fact that to be frank, he's trying to fudge it a little in terms of his position on the issue but this election, unless something drastic changes, will be not about immigration. it will be about the economy. longer term problems for republicans on immigration, clearly the case. they cannot lose hispanic voters 65/35 in elections and be a majority party going forward. i'm not sure that's pertinent to 2012. >> in fact, the "usa today" /gallup poll shows the president's decision on friday regarding the immigration of friday a week ago regarding the deportation of young undocumented -- the children of
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undocumented immigrants was very strongly in favor of the president. 82% approving, only 16% disapproving. let's get pete back to what justice scalia said in his dissent. give me the context of his comments. >> i think he made himself quite clear during the time this case was argued, he basically said if states are really sovereign, then they have to be able to deal with this issue on their own and his dissent today, he said it's clear that the federal government either chooses not to enforce immigration laws as robustly as it should or simply can't, because of manpower considerations, and he felt very strongly that arizona, it was well within its ability as a sovereign state to do what the provisions of this law would have allowed the state there to do. >> how unusual is it for justice scalia to have mentioned the president's decision on deportation in his dissent?
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>> he did mention it in his dissent. it's unusual in this sense. it's certainly outside the record of this case. you know, that issue, the president's decision is not before the court, so for him to bring it in is entertaining and interesting, but it's a little unusual to bring those things in in a dissent. on the other hand, he's dissenting, he's speaking for himself, he can do what he wants at the supreme court. >> he's a supreme court justice. they have lifetime tenure. thank you very much. savannah, thank you very much. chris cillizza and pete williams, who has had a busy day at the court. joining me for more on the day's developments from the supreme court is congressman javier becara. we will see this playing out in the larger context of the debate over immigration policy between the two parties but what is your initial reaction to what was a divided opinion and only a preliminary decision because we are going to see a lot of
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litigation and other challenges to come in years ahead. >> i would say the court was reflecting in some ways the sentiment of the public. for years, the american people have been way ahead of the politicians. they have said get this fixed, immigration is broken, get it done. we know the essential elements of what it takes. we can't have 50 different laws applying to 50 different states. so to some degree, i think you see the supreme court essentially saying the same thing. states, we understand your desire, the desire of some of your folks to try to get this done but you really have to do it not in a piecemeal way but in a whole way that deals with the entire country. i think in that sense, the decision was good. i think it's unfortunate that perhaps some of these court justices haven't lived the life of someone who has been profiled, who has been stopped on a discriminatory ground so you take my father who was born a u.s. citizen but grew up in mexico as a young man, spent all his life working in this country, still speaks english with an accent, certainly looks
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mexican if there is such a term, and yet if he happens to forget his driver's license one day when he's driving, would he get pulled over, maybe referred over to the ins? it's one of those things where you have to live it to understand it and i think this is where the supreme court justices perhaps haven't lived that aspect of racial profiling. i hope the fact that they left it open, that we can't let arizona just go forward and that that provision of the law that lets law enforcement ask questions about your status really will find its way to where these other three provisions went, and that is unconstitutional. we'll see. >> you talked about the state by state nature of this immigration enforcement, but isn't that mitt romney's criticism of president obama, that there isn't a federal national standard and the criticism of course is that he promised this and did not deliver. now, the counter argument of course is that he was blocked in many ways by senate republicans, but the bottom line is he was not able to produce what he had
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promised to the people favoring immigration reform. >> andrea, you encapsulated the whole discussion here. that's that if the republicans were to take the foot off the brake of immigration reform, the president would fulfill his promise. we've seen how the congress had been willing to act at least in both bodies with majority votes, but the republicans used the procedural tactic called the filibuster to kill immigration reform. when you have a majority in the house pass a bill bipartisanly and the senate bipartisanly get 55 out of 100 senators to vote for that same reform but then republicans say we're going to use a procedural tactic called the filibuster to require 60 votes instead of 51, that's the problem. the president could have fulfilled his promise but for the fact that republicans keep stymieing any immigration reform that could go through the congress. we'll get there. it's a matter of whether it's the supreme court or the american public being way ahead of the politicians seeing get it done but we'll get there. by the way, one other aspect of
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the decision which i think is fascinating is the court's language that actually says the president does have broad discretion on how to implement immigration laws which essentially goes right to the heart of what the president did just a little over a week ago to say young people in america who have grown up here, gone to school here, are valedictorian, want to serve in the military, he can take the action he took to say right now, we're going to defer any action on deporting you. >> you were instrumental in helping to legislate health care and now we know it's going to be thursday. that's the only decision day left. we will get a decision one way or the other on health care. are you bracing yourself for the health care law that you helped put together to be overturned in part at least? >> actually, my optimism has been bolstered by the decision today by the court which essentially reinforced that we are a nation not just of laws but of immigrants and it reinforced the sense that we have to act as a people, one nation, and we see what happens
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when you try to be one union, yet you don't have the laws in place that let you act like one nation as a whole. the europeans are having difficulty because they are separate nations trying to act in many ways as one country. in the u.s., we have a court i hope which will understand that we are one nation and that everyone deserves to have decent quality health care and we have a law that allows us to do that and does it in a way that's been recognized in the past by the courts that you can move forward, and so if the court doesn't want to become too political as it has in some of its recent decisions where it essentially equated money with speech, then i think we have a chance of seeing americans for the first time have real genuine access to quality health care that they can afford to pay. >> in fact, of course, the court moved even further today and upheld or reversed a montana law and expanded and reaffirmed its citizens united ruling. we'll have more about that later. thank you very much, congressman.
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the supreme court's ruling today on the arizona controversial immigration law is being watched by states across the country. the high court's decision provides some general outlines but does still leave some murky territory. joining me, adolpho franco with the republican national committee. i know you were a former mccain advisor. john mccain issued a statement as well. mccain in 2008 was calling for comprehensive immigration reform and was a leader on that in previous senates. not so much since 2010. what do you think of the ruling and where we move from here?
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>> first, i think it's terribly sad that we had to get to this stage because this president has failed to act on his own promises. after all, you mentioned john mccain. this is the fellow that twice with george bush tried to bring forward -- with senator kennedy, comprehensive immigration reform. president bush actually had a plan, carlos gutierrez, who you know was former commerce secretary, was one of the architects along with senator mccain, senator kennedy and others. this president promised in his first year he would have comprehensive immigration reform. he didn't fulfill that promise. i think governor romney's absolutely right, it forced the state of arizona to do what it did. i met with governor brewer two years ago. she said she didn't want to do this. she was compelled to do it. it's unfortunate that the president spent all of his effort, his political capital, his money, our money, the government's money, on an effort to bring something to the supreme court where we're back to square one. we all know this is about comprehensive immigration reform. that's what arizonans want, what americans want, and certainly
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what latinos like myself want. this president promises a lot, has certainly been the king of deportations but hasn't delivered on his promises. that's what's unfortunate. >> two things there. first of all, didn't senator mccain, senator graham and others, republicans who had been leaders on this, back off at a key point in 2009-2010 and give the president no republican partner to work on this with? >> well, first, where is the obama, i just saw your former guest, where is the obama administration immigration plan? i haven't seen it. where is it? i have not seen the president step up to the plate as he should, as president bush did, as ronald reagan did. i have never seen president obama's proposal because there isn't a proposal. in fact, the dirty little secret here in washington is that as a senator, barack obama, senator obama was instrumental in killing comprehensive immigration reform by voting for a killer amendment here in washington which is an amendment on the guest worker policy which
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he knew would sink the bill. this is the person who used a maneuver in the senate to kill the only comprehensive reform that had bipartisan support with senator kennedy and president bush and john mccain and the fact of the matter is, in the last two years, the last three and a half years, we have seen nothing from this administration other than a rhetorical commitment and failed promise he did not keep. >> i just heard you mention the president hasn't done anything other than deportations. are you critical of his deportation policy? >> i am critical of two things. i'm critical of what happened last week which is an abdication of his responsibility as president of the united states to aggregate the laws of the united states, which will have a chilling effect on all of us. in other words, a president who decides for political purposes a few months before the election to simply say i'm not going to enforce the laws of the united states. he should come forward to the congress and reform the laws. secondly, on deportation policy, i mentioned this for this reason. yes, they are the laws of the united states but this is the
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president who said he's so compassionate and so worried about immigration, yet has tried to play it both ways. he has a constituency which are labor unions and others that are really against many of the forms that are necessary to protect jobs in the united states and at the same time, the president has tried to placate latinos with false promises while deporting record numbers of hispanics from the united states. >> thank you very much. an important milestone today as construction crews lifted into place number four world trade center's final steel beam. the beam was lifted to its final spot 977 feet in the air. number four world trade center will be the first of the world trade center buildings completed since the 9/11 terror strike. glass and steel office building is slated to open in the next year.
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>> well, i mean, i think that's really unquestionably true. we wouldn't be having this argument in the arizona context if the question of immigration and what to do to stop illegal immigration, what to do about the illegals already here. if that had been settled in a
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national context, that's what the debate is going to be about. this was even referenced from -- by the justices, saying that some of the conservatives saying they were sympathetic to arizona's position, that it had to protect its own sovereignty because the national question, the national role had been abdicated. but a majority of the justices said on balance, this is still a national responsibility and they don't -- they weren't going to uphold arizona trying to be its own sort of immigration authority on its own. >> while "usa today" had a poll, the big new gallup/"usa today" poll showing overall support and they went back in the field after the president did his deportation order and 82% to 16%, john, overwhelming support in the hispanic community to the decision by the president to at least temporarily not deport the
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children of some undocumented immigrants. >> i don't think that came as a big surprise. i suspect that is one of the policy moves that was well tested in advance of the president making that decision. >> john harris, thank you very much. up next, the fallout, more fallout from the immigration. plus, the birth of democracy in egypt. down here, folks measure commitment by what's getting done. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through. until i had the shingles. i have never encountered such a burning sensation...
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brotherhood was declared the president of this country. today, morsi was trying to look presidential. he met with the ruling military council and he is expected to be sworn in at the end of this month, and then take the authorities. yes, he doesn't have the full authorities so a power struggle is still ahead between the muslim brotherhood and morsi and the military council, but after he was elected and judges ruled that the election was free and fair, i think over time it's going to be very difficult for the military to hold on to its extraordinary powers, so morsi and the muslim brotherhood will now be leading this country. it is a very different day and his supporters believe that this is an absolute miracle. a lot of morsi supporters are from islamist groups and who say democracy helped but this was really divine intervention. on the other side, the other 48% of egyptians who didn't want
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morsi think that this is a disaster that will bring the country back 100 years or more. women are particularly concerned, christians are deeply concerned about the idea of living under islamic law and moderate muslims don't want to see the muslim brotherhood trying to say that it's more pious than they are. >> couple things came out yesterday. first, one of his acts was to resign from the muslim brotherhood. in his speech, he said he is the president of all the people, he pledged to preserve women's rights, minority rights and to preserve international agreements. a lot of people including in the united states at the white house and state department inferred from that that he has responded to their conversations with him and john kerry and others that have come to see him, that he must maintain that historic agreement with israel, primarily if he wants to get billions of dollars in direct aid or imf
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loans which he needs because as you know very well, egypt's economy has completely collapsed in the year since the revolution. now he does an interview with state tv or the news agency in iran and a lot of questions today as to whether he is promising something else to iran. i don't know if you can sort through that. >> reporter: yes. he has denied those specific comments that are quoted in the iranian news agency which said that he wants to forge a close alliance with iran, to act as a counterbalance, allows egypt and iran to counterbalance israel's influence in the region. that, by the way, is the muslim brotherhood's general philosophy. the muslim brotherhood is absolutely obsessed with israel and one of the first places where they were celebrating the muslim brotherhood's victory was in the gaza strip because hamas, after all, is an offshoot of the brotherhood. >> it's fascinating times but i have to tell you, one of the other things we learned from
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your reporting, a lot of people here don't have a lot of background, that morsi has a ph.d. from usc, he has two children who are american citizens, he worked for nasa. so he may be anti-american in all his past statements but he does, richard, have some connection to the united states. >> he certainly does. i don't think he's anti-american per se. the muslim brotherhood has no issue with the american people. many members of the brotherhood have gone and studied in the united states and the brotherhood has said many times that it wants good relations with the united states. the issue comes down to israel, comes down to american foreign policy in the middle east. the brotherhood has always complained when the u.s. has used veto powers to protect israel against u.n. general assembly decisions and that is where it issues. that emotional issue, particularly about gaza, palestinian rights, i think is where you are going to see this
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break. >> richard engel, historic times in egypt. thanks so much. history was made at the supreme court today, at least in part. in its ruling about immigration. what does that ruling tell us about the thinking of the nine justices on other major constitutional principles? and what can we expect thursday when health care will be announced. joining me now to help interpret more of the legalese is tom goldstein, supreme court scholar. tom, your take-away first on today's ruling. >> i think the administration has to be very happy with the decision in the arizona immigration case. they clearly won with respect to three of the four provisions of the very tough arizona immigration law and it was basically a tie on the fourth. they didn't lose. the supreme court saying that on the ask for your papers provision, they didn't know enough about how the statute would be applied to know whether it was constitutional or not and they would have to wait to decide that question. they made pretty clear that you could ask for immigration papers if you had reasonable cause if you weren't going to hold people
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for too long just to check their immigration status. so it does uphold that principle which is very important to a lot of conservatives who favor the law that you can ask about the status but beyond that, it was a big win for the obama administration. >> what do you make about their ruling on campaign finance on the montana case, which involves upholding and reaffirming citizens united? >> this is a successor to the supreme court's 5-4 decision saying that corporations and unions have a constitutional right to spend as much money as they want in television advertising, in elections. the montana supreme court had tried to read that decision very narrowly and the five members of that citizens united majority slapped them down in less than one page, giving them the back of their hand. the other thing that was notable is that the four more liberal members of the supreme court could have forced the court to hear oral argument and receive briefing on that question, but they essentially gave up and said we recognize that this montana decision is going to be reversed, and i think what was going on is they didn't want to have a big decision that would
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reinforce citizens united. they're saving their powder in the hope of one day overruling it. >> and then of course, looking forward to health care, there's no way i guess to infer from today's breakdown how the court will divide on this very, very important case, but this now -- you are the expert. >> i think the only thing you can infer is it's pretty likely that john roberts has principal responsibility, our chief justice, for the opinion. >> because justice kennedy wrote the immigration opinion? >> yes, and then john roberts hasn't done anything really in major cases in march and april at the end of the term, which means it's very likely that he assigned that decision to himself. maybe with justice kennedy helping. it was obviously argued in four different parts. but i think we'll see the chief justice taking the lead on the fate of the affordable care act. >> which may not be good news for the administration. >> it's really hard to tell. i think we always expected that john roberts would be in the majority in the case, given his
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leadership role in the court. it doesn't for me at least give me too many tea leaves in terms of whether the administration won or lost. it just does make it an even more anxious moment as we wait three more days for thursday, when we finally know that we'll get the health care decision. >> tom goldstein, we will talk to you again and thank you very much. up next, the great american road trip. "time" magazine's joe klein hits the heartland trying to figure out what is most important to voters. ok! who gets occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? get ahead of it! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defend against digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. hit me! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ male announcer ] you're at the age where you don't get thrown by curveballs. ♪ this is the age of knowing how to get things done. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have.
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what are voters saying about this presidential campaign? "time" magazine's joe klein hit the road to find out what people think. joe joins me now from new york. hey, joe. >> hey, andrea. >> you did a little bit of the bus trip with mitt romney, you got to the heartland, and particularly in the rust belt states, tell me what people are saying. >> this is the third year in a row that i've done one of these road trips, and it was all battleground states this time
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from north carolina through virginia, pennsylvania, ohio and michigan. when i did this three years ago, or two years ago, people were just scared to death, the bottom was falling out of the country. then last year, they were concerned and frustrated and looking for congress to act. this year, they are just angry as hell. they are really ticked off, especially at the congress, for not getting anything done. they're disappointed in the president for not being a stronger leader to get things done and they don't like mitt romney very much at all. he's the lesser of two evils for those who are going to vote for him. in 21 days, i couldn't find one flat out enthusiastic mitt romney is the greatest candidate ever sort of voter. >> in fact, one of the people that you quote in your article is katie bunkers in toledo, ohio. she's upset, she says the bank bailout only helped the bankers
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line their pockets. at least we got something out of the auto bailout. there are people who are concerned about the actions that are taken by congress and the administration and the actions not taken by congress and the administration but nobody feels good. >> well, the auto bailout's really interesting because it's one of the few things in states like ohio and michigan that people can look at and say hey, government did the right thing there. you know, the unemployment rate in ohio is dropping. a lot of people who would have been out of work in both ohio and michigan are now working, and i would say if the president goes on to win re-election, it will be because of that one program. but it's amazing how little people know about everything else the president has done and tried to do. >> the fact is that both the president and mitt romney have been criticized by democrats and republicans and some columnists for not being specific enough, for being much too ambiguous about what they would do. >> yeah.
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i think the public's feeling is that it really is time for them to show their cards. on both sides. they want to see, a lot of obama's supporters want to see him taking the lead on things like the simpson-bowles deficit reduction plan and romney's supporters like the fact that he wants to cut taxes but he hasn't given any details about how he's going to pay for it. people are really serious about the fate of this country now, when you go out there, and they're worried about our democracy and whether it's going to survive this kind of gridlock. so they really want to see the two main candidates step out and have a real debate about these issues. >> to be continued. thank you, joe. mitt romney was on the road this weekend. he and several of his top donors and fund-raisers, several hundred of them actually, gathered in park city, utah for a lavish retreat this weekend. joining me with more is nbc political director and chief
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white house correspondent, chuck todd. well, what a scene just from what we could see from the outside looking in. what was the purpose besides sort of donor maintenance, they got to hear a well regarded speech on saturday by condoleezza rice. was there a vetting of vice presidential prospects? >> it was less about that. this is about expanding the donor pool. they were looking for new bundlers. they were looking for people to go out and find new contributors and i think that's -- it's interesting. there has been different analysis of how the fund-raising is going and mitt romney really does trail in small donors. he does really well on the higher end of donations. they need to fire up this pool. they need more donors. they are running out of maxed-out donors. i would say 90% of the point of this was that. were the political hands there to see how the various donors
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responded? sure. there's a little of that. but this was about wining and dining big donors who they would like to see become more than that, bundlers. >> what about the optics? >> i could say, look, it could have been -- there's a reason it was hard to see. could have been worse. a lot of big donors for romney aren't as famous as they are for the president. this is one of those things -- >> it's not hollywood. >> exactly. candidate obama, presidential campaign obama would have a harder time pulling this off because the paparazzi would have shown up. they both have their own set of wealthy donors. the optics, it's never good to be seen hob-nobbing. at the end of the day, we didn't see very much. the public has not punished either party right now when it comes to how you raise your money. >> we saw another ruling from the supreme court which makes it very clear as tom goldstein was just saying, they did not -- i
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know this from other conversations, the minority, the liberals on the court did not want to expand that citizens united ruling by asking for oral arguments. clearly they did not want a bigger case. >> not only that but there's clearly no appetite -- there was some speculation that we would see with the montana case, provide an opportunity, there have always been rumors that kennedy or roberts didn't like how citizens united ended up, how it's worked in practice, was this the opening, was montana the first -- >> nobody wanted to touch it. >> there isn't an appetite to overturn it, either. the majority is still hanging tight, those five. we may be awhile before citizens united gets tested again. >> just how seriously is obama, team obama, bracing for health care? there were reports that yesterday david axelrod and other political advisors were in the white house gaming this. >> they meet every sunday. >> every normal sunday?
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>> they always are there. that's when the white house team, the chicago team and the president, that's when brief th polls and all sorts of things. this is their regular sunday gathering, if you will. but, yeah, look, they're prepared -- they're trying to prepare for the worst on this. it will be interesting to see how they react if it comes away when they weren't expecting. they seem to be preparing for some parts of it to be struck down. >> chuck todd, great to see you. >> all right. good to be back, yeah. what political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? that's next on "andrea mitchell reports." ess credit card! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? testing hot tar... great businesses deserve the most rewards! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day!
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so which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? msnbc contributor chris calisa is back with us. we're going to have a lot of negotiations over fast and furious. darrell issa and eric holder and their combatants going back and
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forth over what to do as we approach a possible vote this week on the house floor. >> yeah, you know, andrea, i do believe both sides, republicans and the white house, want to avoid that full house floor vote on contempt. i'm sure there are some republicans who are in swing districts who are saying why are we going down this road. i don't think the white house wants their attorney general held in contempt of congress in a full floor vote. but, look, in some ways this is a classic game of political chicken with both sides, pressing down as hard as they can at the moment on the gas pedal. i think one or the other, maybe both of them, will swerve the steering wheel at the last minute and we'll avoid what either side wants. but we have seen with the debt ceiling budget showdown they wait until the cars are 15 paces apart before deciding now would be a good time to divert their course. so it may be a few days. i continue to be skeptical that we will ultimately see a full house floor vote on contempt,
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but if the last few years in politics taught me anything, it is to never say never. >> darrell issa was on "meet the press" and was saying this weekend that eric holder simply has not produced enough of these documents. jay carney today saying that he has. so they have got a big distance to negotiate if this thing is going to be averted. >> we know for a fact, andrea, when they met prior to darrell issa's committee on oversight and government reform voting to hold holder in contempt last week, when hold and darrell issa met last week, it was a 20-minute meeting which suggests there is a wide gap between where the two sides are. i still think in politics everything is possible, though. >> okay. thank you very much, chris cillizza. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." my colleague tamron hall is next on "newsnation." >> in a few minutes, we could hear the president's first on camera remarks after the supreme court's ruling on arizona's immigration law. the president will be appearing at this event in new hampshire.
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