Skip to main content

tv   Hardball With Chris Matthews  MSNBC  June 29, 2012 2:00pm-3:00pm PDT

2:00 pm
happened instead of owning up to his single most important contribution to public life. but that's mitt romney. a hollow candidate, who every day is running away from his own signature achievement. thanks so much for watching us at this new time of 4:00. chris matthews and "hardball" starts right now. health care up in the polls. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews in washington, d.c. let me start with the thunder on the right. one leader compared it to 9/11. an attack out of the sky. one conservative in theç media world branded the chief justice a trader. rush limbaugh called the supreme court it a death panel. if you ever wondered which side has gotten into a partisan crazy
2:01 pm
world, listen to the souls screaming. the lunatic right feels raving mad. don't believe this soft line you hear about repeal and replace. this fury on the fight isn't looking for a better health care plan. it's looking to destroy the only one that's ever been. our guests david corn and -- gentlemen, it's great to have you on. true believes and we need some true believers. this reaction from the screw ball right, is that a precursor to the fact romney will fight this thing through november? >> i think romney has a big decision to make here. if you look at the poll numbers, the country is kind of split on the decision. >> gallup just polled americans after the supreme court decision yesterday. they found the country as you say, couldn't say it better. evenly split. 46-46. and among independents, which are going to decide the
2:02 pm
election, ths a three-point split. this one favoring the president. >> basically a toss-up. and it doesn't give him an advantage start banging against this decision. i think a lot of voter, particularly independent, are done and don't want to -- the other thing, this is the way to drive his base out if he still is worried about his base, which he shouldn't be. the other thing, too, if he starts going indoç repeal, repeal, i've talked to the obama campaign people. they are ready to go toe to toe with him on all the wonderful provisions within the bill that get 60 to 80% approval ratings. they know obamacare is an abstract concept. but if you look at those provisions, they have a lot of ammo to go after romney if his position is get rid of it. >> what's your bet? he goes to fight or cools his jets? >> trails off, but you have the guys in the house. don't forget, they're going to
2:03 pm
have a repeal vote in a week or two. >> i think they have a different agenda. joe, thanks for joining us. let's ask this. we both, we watch ed that performance by the president yesterday. the president was saying move on, basically and other things. romney seemed to be coming out loaded on top of that building, some insurance building in washington. this guy sounds like he wants to fight this bill. you think that's right or not? >> well, i think it's a tough choice for him because i think it's a trap. if he decides to continue to the discussion about this, here's the answer from the white house. the part that you were for in massachusetts that we took from you, the individual mandate, is the least popular part of this bill. what david was talking about is right. every other provision of the bill enjoys anywhere between 62 to 80% support among voters. includingç republicans.
2:04 pm
so it's a bad editidiscussion fm to get into. then obama has to say this is how we pay for these benefit. there is no way to make this work without the individual mandate. he can be the stern sort of daddy who says in order to these benefit, this is how to pay for them. >> can he fight romney on that? i was quoting roosevelt the other night saying when ever roosevelt had a fight, they always come along later and say we could have done it, too, and it wouldn't have cost anything. here's mike -- obama looks like a winner and you can't underestimate the impact that has on casual voters. the attack on obama that has tested best with focus groups is in tatters.
2:05 pm
this is backed up, the fact that obama looks strong. a couple of days ago, health care was around 30. 28. the individual mandate. around 46 even now. >> not only does he look like a winner, mitt romney runs the risk of looking like a right wing whiner. fighting against a lot of people want to move on and having nothing to say about these key issues except platitudes. there's nothing better in politics than winning. people want their president to come across. >> anything better anywhere thaç winning? >> not to be pushed around by the opposition or supreme court. romney's out there pandering to the base. flip-flopping on the mandate. this is a difficult case. >> i'm with you. i remember, i'm older than you guys. working for carter as a speech writer. i got to tell you, joe, when he lost that marathon race which he
2:06 pm
said he was going to win, they're looking for signs out there. the voters. some of its human. this time, i think if he had lost this one, i'll go back to with i was yesterday. if hae had lost, would have been much bigger than he wanted. >> that's rig. a win is a win and the problem that romney has now is the president has won this. the congress, the republican congress want to still fight the last election. they won back big in 2010 and a lot of them still want to fight that fight. that's not good for their presidential nominee. >> here's romney out with a new web video. >> in a few months, americans will cast their ballots and make a choice. do we continue tifing our economy with a growing government that discourages hiring or do we chart a new course and change? the supreme court had made their decision, but the american
2:07 pm
people haven't. >> and to make sure that the next president of the united states repeals obamacare and replaces obamacare. >> day one, job one, repeal obamacare. >> wait a minute. doesn't he have someç other number ones? the keystone pipeline? >> the key thing to look for, you know this. it's easy to do a web ad. doesn't cost you anything. are they going to put money and put these ads in swing states, particularly we talked about the obama campaign. targeting women, hispanic voters, have used health care in a proactive way as a positive. so they think if you ask the hispanic voters, they put health care as number one in a lot of surveys. going to put this ad up in virginia, colorado, nevada, new mexico, arizona, i don't know if he's going to do that. >> you u saw, the you see it,
2:08 pm
joe? a young guy, designer stub. in his 20s. i was trying to figure out. this guy's a little bit of a rebel. didn't shave today. is that the target? a young guy in, a male? that guy may not even vote. >> that guy might not even vote and the likelihood based on everything we know about young voters is that he's not going to vote for mitt romney. i think this is the same, this goes to the same issue. the the way the polls are now going after yesterday, we're going see a shift in intensity on health care from strong intensity opposed of the last election to a stronger intensity and favor in this election. >> how do you know? >> theç gallup poll is very different from what we had a few weeks ago on the same issue. i think you're right that the supreme court decision makes people rethink this.
2:09 pm
and it makes them rethink it in the middle of the electorate and for democrats having won a victory is something they're going to want to defense and the intensity grows around that. >> let's talk about the second term. obama has to certainly draw a picture of the second term. had he lost this fight, walking with an empty slate. i did this this year, i can do stuff. i can make history, therefore can make more history. again, i go back to where i was yesterday. the biggest stakes yesterday were he could have lost. >> yeah. often in politics, a win can easily sort of blow away quickly. but a loss just hangs on. same thing with the bin laden raid. if that had gone bad, it would have sunken and the hur ras
2:10 pm
would have faded in the surveys. but i think you're right. if he wants to make a case that he should stay in the job because he can do things about the economy and jobs, he has to stay i did stuff before and it stuck. it worked out. >> last quickly, thises a big story because it's an upset victory. >> yes, it çis. i think to go back to what you were saying a minute ago, this makes it easier to talk about all the other things he has done. like auto. like stimulus. all of the -- >> catching bin laden. >> bin laden. has a bedrock now, which is the biggest accomplishment. >> as the guy on the other side said david still getting good pr for beating goliath. coming up, the umpire
2:11 pm
streaks back and now the right wing is calling him, here's a word that comes handy for them. traitor. they think the supreme court is a total of the right now. also, the politics of natural disasters. president obama inspected the wildfires in colorado today. how a president handles a disaster can make or break a presidency. just as george bush about katrina. plus, god and government. how the evangelicals and tea party movements got together and how good a day it was yesterday for president obama. here's how "the tonight show" handled yesterday's news. i know how they do that, but it's great. that and more late night spoofs coming up. this is "hardball." the place for politics.
2:12 pm
hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. [ sighs ] so how did it go? he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas stations. with best in class fuel economy. it's our most innovative altima ever. ♪ wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer? well, legalzoom came up with a better way. we took the best of the old and combined it with modern technology. together you get quality services on your terms, with total customer support. legalzoom documents have been accepted in all 50 states, and they're backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. so go to today and see for yourself. it's law that just makes sense.
2:13 pm
so will 2012 be another wave election in the house in the spirit of 2006, 2008 and 2010? not according to the rothenburg political report which is predicting small changes in the house. anywhere from a one seat gain to a six-seat pick up. the cook political report, which is closely follows every election agrees. no big changes in the house of representatives. be right back. especially in this economy. but with three kids, being home more really helped. man: so we went to fidelity. we talked about where we were and what we could do. we changed our plan and did something about our economy. now we know where to go for help if things change again. call or come in today to take control of your personal economy. get free one-on-one help from america's retirement leader.
2:14 pm
last season was the gulf's best tourism season in years. in florida we had more suntans... in alabama we had more beautiful blooms... in mississippi we had more good times... in louisiana we had more fun on the water. last season we broke all kinds of records on the gulf. this year we are out to do even better... and now is a great time to start. our beatches are even more relaxing... the fishing's great. so pick your favorite spot on the gulf... and come on down. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home.
2:15 pm
back to "hardball" and right wing anger machine has been focused for three and a half years on president obama. well, yesterday after the supreme court's decision to uphold the the president's health care law, that anger found a new target. the chief justice, john roberts, who voted with the liberals on the court. glenn beck is selling t-shirts. that's sophisticate. conservative activists brent
2:16 pm
says he will be seen as a traitor and jack kingston of georgia tweeted he doesn't feel like being roberts' friend anymore. kind of high school. we're going to look at some of the wildest reactions from the right and ron reagan is also an msnbc political analyst. here we are back basically in high school, guys, when somebody just won the student council election. this is so, it goes from the fer roegs to the childish. sarah palin tweeted i guess that's her only machine of method of communication. quote, obama's -- obama lies, obama lie, freedom dies. that was last night on fox. she elaborated with some ominous warnings. let's watch. >> if obama is çre-elected, we, america, you will no longer recognize the country that today, you truly love and can
2:17 pm
enjoy all of its freedom is obama is re-elected because this obamacare is a harbinger of things yet to come. >> she has that sort of sarcastic thing she puts into her voice. rush limbaugh was also a bit overdramatic. >> our freedom of choice just met its death panel. the supreme court of the united states. what has been upheld here is fraud. and the internal service has just become barack obama's domestic army. >> was he wearing a prisoner's costume on purpose? did you see that? trying to damatize the new imprisonment of his health care. where did he get something like that from? all it needs is a number on it.
2:18 pm
joan, what do you think of rushbo and palin, i think they're angry. i think rushbo's an actor and a brilliant one, but palin has started screaming about this thing. >> well, obama lies and freedom dies. it's so over the top. it would be so funny, it would hilarious if it wasn't a little bit scary. i think what we have here is an opportunity for the áresident to, he get kind of a do over. he gets to sell this plan again. >> yes. >> with the light of the supreme court behind him. and so, they tortured him with death panels and all the the other lies and pulling the plug on grandma and now, rush is calling the supreme court a death panel. that's lovely. and the president gets toot out with this great victory and tell the american people in a sober, proud way, what it does.
2:19 pm
yes, there will be more of the same. more of your children getting to stay on your plan until their 26 and they can find a good job. there will be more people getting coverage even though they have preexisting conditions in their past. there will be more good things. >> and you're right. people will pay attention. ron, it was like one of those moov football games where the guy throws the incredible block. in this case, the guy you don't expect. john roekts blocks the defenders and the scatback goes heading down the sidelines to the end zone. >> or maybe it's one of those football games where somebody grabs the ball and runs in the opposite direction than you think he's going to run. exactly. we can have this discussion without mentioning a central irony and that is that the individual mandate to buy private insurance is a republican conservative idea. it came out of the heritage
2:20 pm
foundation in 1993 as an alternative to the democratsç liberals universal singer payer idea. so the question you have to ask romney and the republicans is if you want to cover everybody and make sure everybody has access to health care, how are you going to do it? without a mandate and universal single payer. can't be done. >> you think if the heritage foundation plan had come directly except through the obama white house, you think the republicans would be say it's unconstitutional? i don't think so. this is something i hate to do, but i am going to let us quote michael savidge. he unloeld loaded on john roberts yesterday in rant. let's listen to the worst. >> it's well-known that roberts unfortunately for him has suffered from epileptic years, therefore, he has been on medication. therefore, neuroologists will tell you medications used for
2:21 pm
seizure disorders can induce mental slow iing and other problems and if you look at roberts' writings, you can see the cognitive association in what he is saying. >> okay. for the record by the way, justice roberts has had some seizures. never said he's epileptic nor is he taking medication for it. congressman jake casic tweeted today with obamacare ruling, i feel like i just lost two great friends. america an justice roberts. ron, this is so overç the top. like some high school. i don't know how to explain it. >> the republicans feel betrayed here. they thought they had the supreme court comfortably on their side by a 5-4 margin and there goes roberts in the other direction, so they're furious at him.
2:22 pm
but roberts i think with an eye on the credibility of the court realizing that a 5-4 decision overturning this law would have cut the slender thread by which the credibility of the court now hangs. >> i think they thought they had tucked him in at night upstairs in his bed and look out the window and he's got a placard and is protesting against him. they weren't ready for this switch. >> it's a little bit scary because it shows you the extent they believed they had this in the bag. >> shortly after the ruling, not to be outdone here, remember one of the founding members of the birther caucus. he responded by calling for the impeachment of, catch this, of justice elena kagan. why not, you know? >> we still have the issue of justice kagan as i've been raising for months now, either
2:23 pm
she was totally negligent in her duties as solicitor general and had absolutely nothing to do with the most important bill to this president, her boss,ç or e did have something to do with it. she has violated law and as such, she needs to be removed from the supreme court. i think it's important to look at justice kagan for potential impeachment. >> you know, i don't know what the say. back to joan on this. you know, it seems to me that did you all watch gene schmidt and her physical reaction? she was listening to fox and got the story wrong. she was seized with kind of a seizure of excitement that the bill had been declared unconstitutional. it was physical. these people's reaction. what do you make of it? is it that important to them? the president be destroy ed?
2:24 pm
>> well, that's exactly what it is. it's that important to them and they've been saying this all along. it was going to be this waterloo. remember, jim demint told us that, and the the idea that he was going to live to fight another battle that he won this battle, chris, and that it was john roberts who did it to them was just too much to bear. how do you spike the football if you think that oh, yeah, no u n now sick people are going to be thrown off insurance. yay! go america. the only thing that's really exciting is that they were going to deal the president what they thought would be a mortal blow. you guys covered it really well. this is a huge victory for this president. it would have been a disaster to have it overturned and he goes out competent with kind of an amazing record of achievement in thisç first term. >> before you tell us what we're going to do, somebody once said before you tell me what you're
2:25 pm
going to do, tell me what you've done. just for the fun of it, let's watch. this is what it would have looked like for days if this would have gone down. thinking that the bill has been struck down by the court. just a clip. >> yes! yes! >> speak! >> oh, thank god! they took it away. yes! yes! >> wow. that's what it will look like nationwide. have a nice weekend. you got something to celebrate. it's great to have you all the time. up next, the late night comics take on the supreme court in the "sideshow."
2:26 pm
high schools in six states enrolled in the national math and science initiative... ...which helped students and teachers get better results in ap courses. together, they raised ap test scores 138%. just imagine our potential... ...if the other states joined them. let's raise our scores. let's invest in our teachers and inspire our students. let's solve this.
2:27 pm
2:28 pm
2:29 pm
really it was an historic moment yesterday when president obama made his address after finding out his health care bill had been upheld by the supreme court. some comics imagined if obama had really cut loose with his excitement. >> this is a big win for president obama. after the ruling, he addressed the nation from the east room of the white house where he explained this was a victory not for him, but for all of us. >> i know there will be a lot of discussion about the politics of all this. about who won and who lost. that's how these things tend to be here in washington.ç but that completely misses the point. >> he didn't want to gloat, but if you watch his body language closely, you can see he was feeling pretty good. here he is. ♪
2:30 pm
>> that is so well done. democrats are sobering that, the gop continues to blast the law and ruling that upheld it. take a listen to bobby jindal on an rnc conference call this morning. he might have ruffled some feathers over at team romney. >> there's only one candidate, governor romney. he was committed that he would repeal the obamacare as soon as he's elected. >> did you catch that? obamaney. that's what tim pawlenty called the health care law. obamaney care. that's not all. jindal has had to say on the ruling. here's how he plans to implementing the provisions in his own state. >> not looking forward to the
2:31 pm
exchanges. instead, we're going to do everything we can to defeat president obama. get rid of obamacare. tenth amendment to the constitution has got to mean something. absolutely, we're not implementing the exchanges, obamacare. >> just say no. puts him in the ranks with rande supreme court's decision doesn't change the fact that the law is unconstitutional aid cording to him. finally, how's this for timing? guess how some members of congress rounded out one of the most politically charged days? a lot of us can remember the annual baseball game. for republicans, it wasn't much of a lift. blasted their opponents in a final score. brutal. 18-5 for the dems. hanging in the dugout, pennsylvania democrat said if anyone did get hurt today, they would have all had insurance because members of congress have it. some arrived with signs dubbing
2:32 pm
john roberts mvp. they were rooting for the democrats i think. up next, the president inspects the wildfires in colorado. how important is this trip. just ask w. after katrina when he didn't quite do this. ♪ hello...rings ♪ what the... what the... what the... ♪ are you seein' this? ♪ ♪ uh-huh... uh-huh... uh-huh... ♪ ♪ it kinda makes me miss the days when we ♪ ♪ used to rock the microphone ♪ back when our credit score couldn't get us a micro-loan ♪ ♪ so light it up! ♪ even better than we did before ♪ ♪ yeah prep yourself america we're back for more ♪ ♪ our look is slacker chic and our sound is hardcore ♪ ♪ and we're here to drop a rhyme about free-credit-score ♪ ♪ i'm singing free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ dot-com narrator: offer applies with enrollment in
2:33 pm
if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... ...advanced headlights... ...and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool.
2:34 pm
♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪
2:35 pm
a huge rally as e.u. leaders agree on a plan to shore up their banks. the dow surging 278 points. s&p jumps 33, nasdaq gains 85. anheuser-busch jumped nearly 6% after buying half of modelo. nike shares slumped 9% after earnings failed to beat ek
2:36 pm
peckations and ford slid 5% after saying its international losses would likely triple in the second quarter.ç now back to "hardball." whether it's fires in colorado or flooding in the northern parts of florida, when natural disasters like this hit, america comes together. and we all recognize that there be for the grace of god go i. we've got to make sure that we have each other's backs. >> welcome back to "hardball." late today, president obama was in colorado springs where he surveyed the devastation caused by the wildfires in the state. he also thanked first respond s responders. he offered federal aid to help recovery efforts.
2:37 pm
more than 30,000 people have been evacuated from their home, but there's nothing like the power of the presidency when disasters strike. it highlights the unique edge an incumbent candidate has. there is no perhaps more potent example than in that great movie which last seen today, the candidate. robert redford plays a young lawyer trying to knock off a senator. this short clip. let's listen. >> international airport. for those of you going on with us to$' diego, our scheduled departure time -- >> get off. what about the group in san diego? >> never mind that. we've got a fire in malibu. >> and rushes the candidate to the scene of the fire. but he wasn't the only one with that idea and let's watch what
2:38 pm
the incumbent does. >> so, did you lose the roof system, it keeps the water in the ground in the first place. of course you need -- smoky the bear. >> gentlemen, can we have your attention? the senator's going to make a statement. >> who are you? >> i'm still hoping for a chance to debate you. >> hi, jack. glad to see you got your wet suit on. >> all right. >> i will make this very brief. i have been on the phone to the president and one hour from now -- will be declared a national disaster area. >> same styling, you know. sometimes, these things go in cycles. then it was this conservative republican taking advantage of a natural disaster in his chopper
2:39 pm
and his federal aid. now, we have a progressive president out there, center left president, doing is same. it's hard for mitt romney to compete with a president like this, who goes to the scene, shows up, shows he's on the job. >> correct. because he looked presidential. it's toughç for mitt romney too that when barack obama is the p president. there's little practical benefit save of course drawing national attention to it. perhaps pushing for relief funds, but it's a great photo op and shows for a lot of people, the essence of leadership. >> compare it to george w. bush. >> that was the exact opposite. where you flew over a disaster area. didn't actually step foot in one and it seemed like he just didn't care about the plight of the people who were literally drowning in new orleans. you can actually draw away attention or resources from the disaster.
2:40 pm
there's a school of thought that says you don't want to land in the disaster zone because people there should be focused on helping with the disaster. at the same time, bush got criticized. >> you know, woody allen said 80% of life is showing up. >> if you're the president, you're going to be criticized either way, whether you look like you're grand standing or looking callous and it's better to be criticized for gran standing and being there. it might be that republicans are criticizing him because he's going out to a swing state to show some respect. >> i forgot. it's a swing state. >> it is. nine electoral votes and looking like it's heading the president's way. many republicans thinking he might have colorado soon sewn up. you listen to the republican national committee. >> look af those fires. >> they think obama is better off than mitt romney in
2:41 pm
colorado, but the romney campaign still thinks they have a good shot there. >> didn't take long for conservatives to criticize his visit to colorado. the the state's former governor called it a quote, distraction. some conservatives blame obama for not spending more money on a federal fleet of air tankers that fights fires. the governor was asked about this particular piece of right wing criticism. >> same conservatives that have been so worried about the obama administration spending too much money or these different conservatives? >> you know, it is amazing, sam, and the ironnys are always in politics, but they're brutal when it comes to emergencies. people that hate the federal government, despise washington, are on the phone in seconds when they want the money. >> two things. one is it's changed a little bit recently where by you know, disaster relief funds used to be
2:42 pm
a very nonpartisan thing. nowadays, you have to find pay fors for them in congress. but with respect to the president showing up in colorado, had he not shown up, the criticism would have been ten times worse. >> it's a very delicate thing here. obama, when we went down to the gulf when oil spill was happening, everyone was worried whether he would distract resources or went too late. ed rendell said he would &ave put on a wet suit and plugged the well himself. erin's right. better to show up and get the criticism than to not show up and seem uncaring about the crisis. >> ed rendell really does think that bill clinton was superman. president george w. bush has become the textbook case for how not to react to a national disaster. this photo shows bush surveying the damage done by katrina as he
2:43 pm
flew over new orleans in air force one. the image came to symbolize that he was out of touch. after he left, he said the fly overand picture was a quote huge mistake. i want to go back to something erin pointed out. you're going to get heat either way. i thought of president bush to go back to something, katrina. with all those african-american people there, with their kids dying, dehydrating, terrible place they were all stuck at. if he had shown up there in the helicopter like this guy in the movie with lots of water, just bring in truckloads of water, just bottles of water for people so they could get through the days ahead, they wouldn't dehydrate. somebody might have yelled, but the country would have said damn, we've got a president. >> and lbj said i am here, i am your president. i want to make sure that the federal government is working for you.
2:44 pm
he went and got on the ground, shook people's hands and bush didn't ch the response inç louisiana, the editorials that came out in 1965 were great for lbj where as president bush had a huge media crisis on his hands after the fact. you look at the difference, it's no question that president obama had to go to colorado. >> good for you. applaud right now. this is the kind of thing i applaud on this show. when somebody has a sense of history. seriously, she one upped you because she talks about the real real model. >> long has to drive him down to the coast. he said if you come down here, you could beat anybody including eisenhower. so wasn't that clear cut. >> you share the title. happy weekend. up next, the tea party and evangelicals, a love story. a little sick. "hardball," back in a minute. the place for politics.
2:45 pm
[ voice of dennis ] switch to allstate. their claim service is so good, now it's guaranteed. [ normal voice ] so i can trust 'em. unlike randy. are you in good hands? but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, "what's next?" introducing the all-new rx f sport. this is the pursuit of perfection. you walk into a conventional mattress store, it's really not about you. they say, "well, if you wanted a firm bed you can lie on one of those. we provide the exact individualization that your body needs. wow, that feels really good! once you experience it, there's no going back. and don't miss our special financing now through july 4th only. plus enjoy the lowest prices of the season on selected bed sets only at the sleep number store, where queen mattresses start at just $699.
2:46 pm
we talked about how president obama toured the fire damage in colorado, but if you think the political campaigns are calling a cease fire on the negative ads during this, think again. according to candidaor media, o the ads that have run in colorado springs in june, 57% have aired in the past ten days when the fires were at their worst. we'll be right back.
2:47 pm
down here, folks measure commitment by what's getting done. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through.
2:48 pm
wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer? well, legalzoom came up with a better way. we took the best of the old and combined it with modern technology. together you get quality services on your terms,
2:49 pm
with total customer support. legalzoom documents have been accepted in all 50 states, and they're backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. so go to today and see for yourself. it's law that just makes sense. we're back. conventional wisdom says mitt romney needs to court independents to win the presidency, but david brodey argues the key to romney's political future is on winning the cold shoulder dur the primaries. david brodie makes his case in a new book "the teavangelicals." let me did you about it. who are they? >> they are conservative
2:50 pm
christians breaking bread with tea party libertarians. >> why do people care about school and abortion, pro life on abortion, against g a rks y marriage. why do they care about issues like taxes? health care? obama obamacare. why are they focused on the economic stuff now? >> they see it through a biblical world view. the bar is not slaved to the lender. they see it from a biblical world view. >> the bar -- >> you're giving me trench history here. no, but look. that's part of it. the other part is a return to, get ready. judeo christian principles. the truth is, all that is is what libertarians are saying. it's the same thing conservative christians want the same things libertarians when it comes to that. >> how come when the government
2:51 pm
spends money on war or the bailout or something like that, the right has no problem with deficit spending. >> it can't always be about, we don't want to increase the debt ceiling and will be a pain on capitol hill. >> why would a guy or woman who goes to church on sunday, a good person who believes in jesus and salvation and everything the true and good care about the corporate tax rate? why would they want a lower corporate tax rate? >> if you look at the torp rat tax rate, that plays into the whole stock market situation and if it's good or bad, it's going to affect the family. >> by the way, we saw the stock market moved up today because things in europe are looking better. >> lower taxes in the conservative evangelical role mean more money you're going to spend on your family.
2:52 pm
>> it used to be it was tiedç the kind of thing you saw with the monkey trial. suspicion of the east coasts. suspicions of big banks. and in the old days, christians were moved by the fact we don't know. how come it switched from being a populous christianity to a pro-big business establishment? >> as a matter of fact -- >> it's effectively done that. >> what they're thinking about is the same thing. this big government -- it's government run amok. they believe -- here's what they believe. they believe god is getting smaller and government is getting way out of control. look at the health care situation with obama care. this has become a rabid situation. >> how does it effect their lives you have a regular person and get a salary. making $30,000 a year. you're a regular person. how does the government get bigger in the last three years?
2:53 pm
>> it's a threat. >> it's just a concept. >> it's more than a concept for that. >> how are we in their face. >> look at barack obama care. they're going to if he would quote, stay out of health care, there wouldn't be the potential problems down the road. >> no. i would say that them in church everybody ought to take individual responsibility for their health care. you can't have some people buying and then other people coming to the e.r. and there's no help and no responsibility in paying their share. i can make the republican argument for the obama bill. and it soundsç christian of yo. >> everything is relative. >> i think it's pr. i think they think obama is a socialist and they're against socialism. the same coming out of the heritage foundation, that would be jesus. you know i'm telling the truth. >> the teavangelicals, they
2:54 pm
don't care who you are. just that the republican party is closer aligned with their values. >> christians love social security. christians love medicare. >> you're right. >> the statement i don't like government is crazy. >> in the book, take a look. i've addressed it. >> you created this? have you patented this one. >> i've trademarked it. >> thank you for giving us that view we don't get from other people. when we return, let me finish with the fever swamps of the right one day after the big decision. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. science test. the top academic performers surprised some people. so did the country that came in 17th place. let's raise the bar and elevate our academic standards. let's do what's best for our students-by investing in our teachers. let's solve this.
2:55 pm
[ chuckles ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ male announcer ] now you'll know when to stop. [ honk! ] the all-new nissan altima with easy fill tire alert. [ honk! ] it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ at liberty mutual, we know how much you count on your car, and how much the people in your life count on you. that's why we offer accident forgiveness, where your price won't increase due to your first accident. we also offer a hassle-free lifetime repair guarantee,
2:56 pm
where the repairs made on your car are guaranteed for life, or they're on us. these are just two of the valuable features you can expect from liberty mutual. plus, when you insure both your home and car with us, it could save you time and money. at liberty mutual, we help you move on with your life, so get the insurance responsible drivers like you deserve. call us at... or visit your local liberty mutual office, where an agent can help you find the policy that's right for you. liberty mutual insurance, responsibility -- what's your policy? i knew it'd be tough on our retirement savings, especially in this economy. but with three kids, being home more really helped. man: so we went to fidelity. we talked about where we were and what we could do. we changed our plan and did something about our economy. now we know where to go for help if things change again. call or come in today to take control of your personal economy.
2:57 pm
get free one-on-one help from america's retirement leader. do a lot of sending... and receiving. sending...and receiving. sending...and receiving. sending...and receiving. sending...and receiving. [ bob ] i got the tickets. [ male announcer ] and with citibank popmoney, it's even easier to keep sending...and receiving. let me get you back. no, it's on me. i insist. no way. yes way. well let me chip in. [ male announcer ] send money from one bank account to another, with citibank popmoney. easier banking. every step of the way.
2:58 pm
let me finish tonight with this dance of death we've been witnessing this last 24 hours. want to know the precise location of this country's political çseininess? pay attention on the clenched teeth seething from the right. the fury that knows how to get heard wants blood. the chief justice to start then on to the supreme court itself. then on to the president and all those people who agreed with him that what he did was not only constitutional, but deeply american. this much we know right now. a new poll shows that the supreme court decision of yesterday is building the case for the affordable health care act. there's now an even balanced view on the plan. a dramatic upsurge before.
2:59 pm
people are beginning to open their minds about the bill. earnest and understanding before and after the matter. how things will be better and at what cost. the question now concerns the politics. why were the liberals, the reasonable people able to look forward to this decision by the supreme court with some -- preparing themselves to live with the results. it's called rule by law. don't have to like the law. then came the thunder from thigt right last night. the charge of treason and calls for defiance. all the notes beloved by the crazies. don't like something? blast away at it. yell treason, charge all who disagree with you as traitors. call for massive resistance. it's what we sau in the civil rights movement. throughout our history. outrage, warnings of the worst to come. don't ask who's causing this country's political discourse. you can hear it screaming and screeching right now from the right.


info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on