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anyone in the bottom half of the american income stream as long as it butters up the top. there is of course one powerful significant alternative interpretation. it is that what mitt romney said about the haves and what he considers the moochers is exactly what he thinks. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed shultz starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. 49 days until the 2012 election. mitt romney's comment about the 47% has america talking. tonight more of the shocking undercover tape and president obama weighs in for the first time. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> others have said that you just kissed half the electorate good-bye this election year. that you all be called them moochers. did you? >> mitt romney continues to clean up after last night's disaster. mother jones has released the full video of a mitt romney fundraiser and it gets even
worse for the republican. tonight senator bernie sanders on america's first glimpse of the real mitt romney. bob shrum on the victims mitt romney is dismissing. and richard wolf on romney's disastrous view of the middle east. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. for the better part of the year, mitt romney struggled to let voters know who he is. finally the real mitt romney stood up and it's not a pretty sight and very confusing. the hidden camera video from a fundraiser has been released in full. at one point during the $50,000 per plate dinner, romney talked about how he is refining his
a class war between two distinct halves of the country. romney stumbled to address the comments he made at a fundraiser in a late news conference last night. but romney made the matters only worse for himself. >> it's not elegantly stated. i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. i'm sure i could state it more clearly in a more effective way than i did in a setting like that. and so i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. we don't even have the question nor the full response and i hope the person who has the video would put out the full material. >> hold on, wait a minute. don't have the question? just a snippet? we played the full question and answer last night on this program and we were not alone in doing so. romney is just trying to duck and dodge at this point. who calls a press conference at 10:00 at night.
he bailed on the news conference before answering a question about what he actually believes. >> at a fundraiser, you have people say, how are you going to win this? so i respond, the president has his group. i have my group. i want to keep my team strong and motivated and i want to get those people in the middle. that's something which fundraising people who are parting with their moneys are very interested in knowing is can you win or not? and that's what this is addressing. >> that would be an incomplete performance, would it not? maybe the reason romney walked away is because these are really his core believes. and to many americans, these believes are ugly. 47% of the country sees themselves as victims might play well in a room full of million nars, but it doesn't go over well for the rest of the country.
>> if you're a person struggling to make it, some adversity in your life, how does it make you feel when a presidential candidate says that you will never take personal responsibility and care for your life? mitt romney says you will never be convinced and he's willing to let you just fall by the wayside. that's his plan. romney reiterated his plan on fox news today. >> you said that your wording might have been inelegant, but others say you just kissed half the electorate good-bye, that you all but called them moochers. did you? >> no, i'm talking about a perspective of individuals who i am not likely to get to support
me. i recognize that those people not paying income tax are going to say, gosh, this provision that mitt romney keeps talking about, that's not going to be attractive to them. those dependent upon government -- >> flaws. people who pay no federal income tax already plan on voting for mitt romney. more on that later in this program. according to romney, these voters are dependent on government so they will never vote for a guy like him who wants to shrink government. what about groups romney is courting like seniors? >> seniors are, of course, people i'm getting in large numbers. i have great support from seniors because they are unhappy with the fact that obama care cuts medicare by $716 billion. >> all right. let's get this straight. if you're an obama supporter and you use government programs, mitt romney has no use for you. but if your vote is up for grabs and you use a government program like medicare, mitt romney
thinks, hey, you're the greatest. for those of us who have been paying attention to mitt romney for the past two years, none of this is really shocking. romney let us know many times what he really thinks about people who use government assistance. >> if you're looking for free stuff, if you're look iing for free stuff you don't have to pay for, vote for the other guy. that's what he's all about. that's not what i'm about. >> that's one of his favorites. romney loves accusing people of mooching for free stuff. when he spoke to the naacp in july, romney was booed for saying he would repeal obama care. later he told a crowd, if you want more stuff from government, tell them to go vote for the other guy, more free stuff. this is not just idol talk. this is what voters need to comprehend. mitt romney does not believe americans should be given a leg up if they are struggling.
no safety net. the proof is in the policies that he supports. you don't have to look much farther than the budget plan proposed by romney's running mate, paul ryan. 62% are proposed cuts in the plan come from programs for low-income people. $3.3 trillion will be cut from medicaid, food stamps, job training and more. if that doesn't convince you, take a look at romney's tax plan. americans making under, i say under $30,000 a year, the moochers that romney is talking about, they are going to pay actually pay more in taxes under president romney if he get there is. millionaires get tax cuts by at least 6.9%. in the past romney has said the least fortunate among us are already taken care of by government programs. >> i'm in this race because i care about americans. i'm not concerned about the very poor. we have a safety net there. if it needs repair, i'll fix it.
>> but if ryan and romney have their way, the social safety net will be eliminated, privatetized, you can count on it. that's why he doesn't care about the 47% of the country. he's talking about an ideology. he's getting ready to let them fall right through the safety net that this country has provided. you know, those compassionate conservatives that used to be around to try to sell us their stuff about how good they are? earlier this evening, president obama taped an appearance on "the late show with david letterman." he addressed the hidden video comments for the first time. >> mitt romney at a fundraiser in florida, there's a cell phone videotaping his remarks and he talks about being why 47% of the people voting don't matter to him. what does that mean? is that what rich guys at country clubs are talking about? >> well, i don't know what he
was referring to, but i can tell you this. wh when i won in 2008, 47% of the people voted for john mccain. what i said on election night was even though you didn't vote for me, i hear your voices and i'm going to work as hard as i can to be your president. and one of the things i have learned as president is you represent the entire country. and when i meet republicans as i'm traveling around the country, they are hardworking, family people who care deeply about this country and my expectation is that if you want to be president, you have to work for everybody. not just for some. [ applause ] >> ultimately, that's what the presidential election has come down to. do you want a president who will
work for every american or just the most fortunate ones? get your cell phons out. we want to know what you think. should mitt romney exercise some personal responsibility and apologize to 47% of americans? text a for yes and b for no. you can leave a comment on our blog. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is senator bernie sanders. senator, great to have you with us tonight. is mitt romney's characterization of the 47% accurate at all? >> well, no. it's not accurate. and here it is, ed, coming from a guy born to a millionaire family who went to elite schools, who believes that the middle class starts at $200,000, who doesn't reveal his taxes because he took so many loopholes. and what really gulls me is we
have millions of people in this country who come from families like my own, working-class families, people who worked hard their entire lives, working 50, 60 hours a week. now they are on medicare, now they are on social security and they are being lectured by this millionaire guy that they have got to take personal responsibility and care for their lives. being lectured by him. and to me, ed, this speaks to an extraordinary arrogance on the part of romney and his, if i may use the term, ruling class friends, who apparently think that working people of this country were struggling to support their families today, some of whom will be on medicare and social security are somehow inferior, human beings who need guidance, who are not smart enough to take personal responsibility for their lives
and care for their lives. what does this tell us about his attitude to the vast majority of the people? not smart enough? we don't have enough dignity to want to work? people in this country work harder than the people in any other industrialized country on earth. they don't need to be lectured by millionaires and billionaires about the work ethic that they fulfill. >> senator, it could be 47%, 45%, it could be any kind of number. isn't mitt romney speaking to a philosophy that there are moochers, that there are takers that earn benefits don't count anymore and we have to eliminate them? isn't this what the conservative movement really wants in the end game? >> i think it is that, ed, and it's something else. it's saying if you listen to romney's words that people don't know how to take responsibility for their own lives and care for their own lives, what we have got to show them is we're going
to cut social security, medicare, medicaid, and education. because you are too dumb or have no sense of responsibility and you're not prepared to work for your living. we have to teach you how to work. we're going to punish you. if you don't work, you're going to be in a lot of trouble. but what romney is about is representing a philosophy that says if you're rich and powerful, you have a right to rule. you get it all. but if you're in the middle class, you're in the working class, we're going to teach you a lesson. we're going to make it harder for your kids to go to college. we're going to cut your social security. we're going to cut your medicaid. we're going to make it harder for you to get the nutrition you need. that's an outrageous and arrogant statement and i hope the american people are listening. >> certainly, a lot of people in this country, democrats and on the left, have known this about mitt romney, but now it's some pretty severe confirmation.
senator bernie sanders, great to have you with us. i wish we had more time. thank you so much. remember to answer tonight's question. share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up, the florida fundraiser mitt romney may have given some real insight into why president obama is likely to be reelected. more from the videotape. and bob shrum, how does he turn it around? ♪ what are you doing? uh. who taught you how to do this stuff? you! all right! i learned it by watching you!
coming up, more of mitt romney caught on tape. why he thinks barack obama could be reelected. how is he going to turn this around and mop it up? bob shrum join me next. later david johnson and i will look at the 47%. just who they really are. and romney's comments are getting a mixed reaction from the right wing while some try to make a false equivalency to president obama's caught on tape comments in 2008. we'll have all the details. share your thoughts with us on facebook and twitter. use the #edshow. ask me what it's like when my tempur-pedic moves.
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welcome back to "the ed show." mitt romney didn't just insult half the country in florida fundraising video. he may have provided insight into why president obama has such a strong chance of being reelected. after a long question about president obama not keeping his promises and a lack of government transparency, romney explained why it's so hard to get middle of the road voters on his side.
>> if president obama wins reelection, it may be because of the first part of what romney said is correct. the second part is wrong. people who vote d for the president four years ago still like him and though they may be disappointed, they do not believe that he is in over his head. let's turn to democratic strategist bob shrum with us tonight. also eugene robinson, analyst
for "the washington post." great to have you with us. bob, let me ask you first. how damaging is this to romney? he better be mr. october if he's going to turn this thing around. >> i think it's really damaging. i think there's a thing called water cooler conversation, which is most people don't sit around paying attention to politics the way we do. there are things that breakthrough because they happen and you meet somebody at the water cooler at the office the next morning and you say, did you see what that guy said? it was callous and untrue, but it was a revelation of the real mitt romney. this is a guy that likes to fire people. this is the guy who ran bain. if you watch and listen to him in that tape, he's so much more comfortable sitting and talking to those people sitting there, paying $50,000 a piece and dumping on people who live a more ordinary life. >> eugene, there's no question that mitt romney went on the offensive today defending
himself, but he looks incompetent. he looks unsure of himself. how damaging is it? >> you know, this is the second week in a row because after his inappropriate libya comments, he came out and looked unsure. he looked unsteady on his feet. he did, again, today. i would be unsteady too if i were try iing to run for presidt on a platform of no more coddling the servants, which is essentially his platform. we must be tougher with those down below. and make them work harder. it's appalling and inassaulting so i would be shaky too if that's what i was left with. >> eugene, how does he come back and jive with the largest voting bloc? >> he hasn't been able to do that to this point. and i don't know, frankly.
i really don't know. you know, wearing the jeans doesn't seem to work. not wearing the tie doesn't seem to work. he doesn't have that sort of faculty, that sort of ability to connect with people on that level. now he's announced that he really doesn't care to do so, as a matter of fact. he wants to connect with the folks at that fundraiser. >> nbc news just released a brand new poll. the numbers are very bad for mitt romney. the poll was taken before the fundraising video surfaced. president obama leads by 5 points on the economy. . on looking out for the middle class, president obama holds nearly a 20-point lead. bob, what do the numbers mean? i also want to get your reaction to how the president handled the 47% question from david letterman? >> i thought the president handled the letterman question brilliantly. he acted like somebody who could
be commander in chief, who is president, who can speak to the whole country. mitt romney wishes he could etch a sketch this fundraiser. he wish he could etch a sketch the last three weeks. eugene is right. last week he had libya. this week he has this. his campaign has become a permanent damage control machine dealing with one crisis after anoth another. he's going to hope he can do something in the debate. i don't think he's going to suddenly morph into john f. kennedy. the only time he's been comfortable in this campaign is at that fundraiser. >> will he lose seniors? >> he will lose some. he won't lose them all. i think he will probably lose some support across the board and it will be interesting to watch the tracking polls and other polls as this kind of filters out and settles in. this certainly didn't do him any good. >> gentlemen, great to have you
with us. thank you so much. up next, mitt romney attacks the 47% of americans who don't pay taxes. turns out a lot of them are, what? republicans? we'll show you exactly why this could be a huge problem for mitt romney. and we have more of romney's comments to his donors, sofling the israeli conflict has been a goal for presidents from both parties, yet mitt romney says if he becomes president, he won't do anything to help it along. richard wolf will join me to discuss the comments. stay tuned. bob...
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>> well, what you say behind closed doors is really who you are. i'm joined by david k. johnson who is a columnist and author of the book "the fine print." romney was basically right about one thing. 46.4% of americans don't pay federal income taxes. but here's the real break down from the tax policy center. two-thirds of romney's 47% actually do pay payroll taxes. david, the rest are elderly who make less than $20,000 a year. >> that's right. they are either elderly so used to pay taxes or are working hard at jobs that pay very little money. >> so who is romney insulting
here by the chart? >> he's insuting the people who come from the states that supported mccain, by and large. he's insulting people who worked hard at businesses run by people like mitt romney that paid very low wages. >> here's another way to look at these numbers. look at the states in red, the tax foundation says that in 2008 these southern states had the highest percentage of nonpayers. florida has a very elderly population. this goes against the people that have supported republicans, especially romney. >> absolutely. and eight of these ten states were mccain states in 2008. it shows how romney is really not sophisticated about these things. he hasn't thought through what he's saying and he's managed to insult people, even college graduates who were insulted. >> now let's look at how those people in the same states voted
in 2008. the republicans relying on the elderly and working poor who don't pay federal income tax. romney is insulting basically his base. >> yes. and he's not doing anything to attract people who may not like obama and perhaps could be won over with this at all. he is going on the attack against these people in saying you're not worthy. >> now, let's break down this. more than 10% of the people romney complained about are elderly. 70% of them voted in 2008. 53% picked mccain. the latest cbs poll shows that 53% support romney. doesn't romney understand that these nontax paying people out there are supporters that were with mccain and ought to be with him? >> either the republican party depends on moochers and the strivers must be the ones voting for the democrats, or romney just hasn't thought this thro h
through. >> there's one more thing we need to say about romney's 47%. romney says those 47% are dependent on government assistance and should take personal responsibility for their lives, but the poor actually carry a heavier tax burden than the rich guys like romney. correct? >> that's exactly right. >> so people on the bottom wrung of the economic ladder pay 12% and their income is for state and local taxes. the middle class pays 11%. the wealthiest americans pay half of what the poorest americans pay. in other words, the poor do pay taxes and they pay, i think arguably, an unfair share. >> they pay very heavily. this is a killer chart about your state tax burden. 50% higher for the poorest americans than for the top 1%. >> in economic terms, in presentation to the american people, how bad is his campaign? >> i think this is worse than
mcgoverns campaign in '72. it's astonishing to see someone who holds himself out as a businessman, didn't have a plan for this campaign, didn't appeal to people. instead he's alienating those people. that combined with his gaffes about the middle east and london, has to make you wonder what kind of judgment the man has. and that's the only test we have. what's your judgment as president? >> if you look at all of these charts, which we have put out there and who he has insulted, let's look at it from romney campaign's position. we really didn't mean that, but he's got a lot of explaining to do in a short period of time. david k., thank you for joining us. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. another shocker from the
romney video. forget leading from behind. mitt romney doesn't want to lead at all when it comes to middle east peace. richard wolf on the other disaster from the romney tapes. and some righties would call mitt romney's 47% remarks arrogant and stupid. then there's rush limbaugh. >> this is a golden opportunity and we know romney has got it in him because of what he said to these people. >> we'll show you mow how the righties are reacting to romney's disaster. here's what happened...
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>> joining me tonight political analyst richard wolf. he studied foreign policy. the white house says that romney is offering the wrong approach. a top diplomat told bloomberg news that romney shows complete ignorance of facts and realities. but kick the ball down the field, doesn't this fly in the face of all of the criticism that romney has thrown at president obama? unpack if for us.
>> i'm not a psychologist, but i think this is what they call projects. you say the other person is doing something, but really that's what you intend. american leadership in the world is absolutely critical. if you believe, and this is the romney position, this is the republican position, that actually this president has been running a feckless foreign policy. he hasn't shown leadership. then you should be offering behind closed doors and in public this sense that america can do anything. what he said was, you hope that somewhere, something will change. that's not the american way. if it had been, bill clinton wouldn't have intervened in northern ireland. that was resolved and that peace has been enduring. jimmy carter, the man they disparage day in and day out, those elements of american leadership have led to real changes in the world. and i don't understand why mitt romney would say one thing in public and another thing in
private. >> every president, both parties has had a commitment to resolving the israeli palestinian conflict in the middle east. the israelis, they have been very strong on all of the american presidents demanding support. and full-throated support, unwavering. doesn't this make israelis think a little bit about what mitt romney is all about. benjamin netanyahu was on a numb of programs over the weekend and doesn't want to get roped into the election. wait a minute. if you listen to mitt romney, this really puts israel on the map as far as having to take a position about who they are going to support. >> the israeli prime minister is a personal friend of mitt romney. there are significant parts of israeli political opinion that think that the palestinian problem is unresolvable. that's one aspect of it.
but actually, it doesn't help israel to be isolated like this. it doesn't help israel to have american leaders disengaged. and you just have to go back to the bush administration. i suspect we all know who the secretary of states he's been talking to are. they are republicans. the last republican secretary of state condoleeza rice believed that peace was within reach and president bush needed to do more. they could have achieved more to achieve a real peace there. whether or not that's real, engagement makes a difference. >> two months after the fundraiser, romney visited israel and told an israeli newspaper that he was hopeful for a peaceful resolution. he says, i believe in a two-state solution which suggests that there will be two states, including a jewish state. that's not what he told his donors. are we to believe that or is this lip service? >> he doesn't give a time frame. maybe he think another president will achieve that. but when you put that on the
same trip with the cultural problems the palestinians have, i think you're looking at a very bleak and frankly un-american view of what america can achieve with diplomacy. at the end of the bush term, i was speaking to the european diplomats who are deeply engaged. there's only one way, one way for the israeli-palestinian problem to be resolved. that is with presidential babysitting. clinton tried to do and carter successfully did. remember, egypt wasn't just another arab country that faced off against israel. it was its formidable enemy and an american president changed that. >> here's what secretary of state richard armatig said. it's difficult to criticize the president and his middle east policy on one hand and then suggest on the other hand that the best you could do is kick the ball down the street.
at what point does the gop abandon this guy completely? you have seasoned senators who are on the foreign relations committee that they couldn't warm up to this comment. they know it's not feasible. >> the person you really want to hear from is former general colin powell. he endorsed president obama last time around. he hasn't said this time around. but if there's a republican secretary of state who believed peace is in reach if you have american engagement, it would be him. >> richard wolf, thanks for your time tonight. coming up, rush limbaugh is jumping for joy over mitt romney's 47% remarks. other republicans, well they are not so happy. michelle goldburg will weigh in. stay with us. dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow.
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controversy? i'd say so. some righties are being critical of romney and some are asking where the real mitt romney has been all along? let's start with david brooks. he called the comment a country club fantasy. it's what millionaires say to each other and reenforces every negative view people have about romney. it remains important for the country that romney wins in november unless he chooses to step down and we can get the ryan/rubio ticket we deserve. on the flip side, you have the romney cheerleading squad. who is leading the way? rush limbaugh. he's so excited, he's come down with a case of gold fever. >> this is such a golden -- this could be the opportunity for romney and for that campaign to finally take the gloves off and take the fear off and just start
explaining conservatism. this is a golden opportunity and we know romney has got it in him because of what he said to these people. >> eric ericson is also on board. he wrote, the romney campaign should double down on what he said. they should own it. meanwhile it's causing headaches for republican seats across the seat. scott brown said today, that's not the way i view the world. there's also a close senate race between linda mcmahon. i disagree with governor romney's insinuation that 47% of americans believe they are victims. congressman murphy's campaign objects to mcmahon's statement. they were quick to post this d video earlier today. >> i'd like to see everyone pay their fair share. 47% of the people today don't pay any taxes.
>> for more, let's turn to michelle goldberg, writer for "newsweek" and "the daily beast." this has created a riff. who has the potential upside in all of this. >> i think it's pretty obvious that rush limbaugh's incentives are different from those republicans that want to win elections. he has to speak to the base in the most inflamed section. he does as well financially either way whether republicans win or lose. probably better when they lose. if there's one party that loves to play the victim, i think we all know who it is. but romney clearly feels he has to listen to the rush limbaughs. that's the advice he seems to be taking. >> i think he's right on this. this is really a golden opportunity for romney to make a
last-ditch run. he had a bad spring, bad summer, not a good convention and now a rough run out of the convention. if he's going to make a turn to the conservative base, this gives him an opportunity to do that. we all know that the right wing is after the new deal. they want to get rid of all entitlements as they call them. why wouldn't this be seen as an opportunity by the romney camp? >> partly because he put a number to it. it's one thing to talk about moochers and parasites and those other people. but when you identify that as half the country, i think that that's basically their message. but that's not a message that anybody with any interest in winning an election wants to make publically. >> scott brown, in a tight race with elizabeth warren. politically calculated, that's not how he cease the world. how many other republicans out there that are concerned about
this 47% story and this tape that's been released and revealed? it's just a treasure-trove of anti-romney stuff. >> and it's worth pointing out that in many of the states where republicans dominate, that's where, you know, you have kind of a lot of these 47%. >> the southern states. >> right. so inas much as candidates can make clear that 47% he's talking about you, it seems like it would be immensely damaging. >> but it gives the democrats an opportunity on the stump to use this. this is who they really are. they ought to be able to peel away seniors, peel away at anyone who has ever had any kind of government assistance whatsoever. what about people who have been unemployed and have gotten an unemployment check in tough times and bounced back into the economy? there's a wide array of people that romney has -- >> has written off.
>> alienated. it's his own voter suppression program right now. >> i mean, that's why i think, you know, often republicans say things that leave a lot of us shaking our heads or kind of clucking or expressing outrage. i think this has genuinely shocked a lot of people. >> do you think this lingers? >> i think it lingers in part because it's not just a gaffe. it's not just a slip of the tongue. when romney said earlier on he didn't care about poor people, people could say he was just misspeaking. when he said that inequality that people who talk about env he's made it clear that this is who he is. >> it's a clear admission that this nominee has