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american, where justice is reachable and close to reality because of what we, all of us, do tomorrow. and, boy, that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm al sharpton. we're live tonight from democracy plaza in new york's rockefeller center. it's one day until millions stream to the polls to decide the future of the presidency and the future of this country. after months of campaigning, this election is down to a few fleeting hours. there's so much focus right now in the details for this close race. where are the independents? what's the latest from ohio? who can turn out their voters? but let's step back for a moment. this election is about much more
than the details. what's at stake is a big -- very, very big thing. it's about protecting decades of progressive ideas. it's about protecting the security that fdr social security program has given generations of americans. it's about preserving lbj's medicare program with 50 million seniors depend on. it's about depending the president -- on the president's health care law, a program progressives have fought for for 100 years. presidential elections are important. they are battle of ideas that only come around every four years. in 2012, the question is, are we better off together or should we lead people to face their troubles alone? for decades, we've known the gop's answer. they have been against government. just like the hero ronald reagan was against medicare 50 years ago.
>> behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until one day, as norman thomas said, we will wait until we have socialism. one of these days, you and i are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in america when men were free. >> government has not taken our freedom. it's preserved and expanded our freedom. but the same narrow view has fueled the tea party and powered the romney/ryan ticket. they despise government and they told us as much and the only thing that's worse than government, the millions who rely on it. >> there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government who believe they are victims. >> only 30% want the welfare state. >> one writes off 30%. the other thinks it's more like
47%. that explains their plans to gut medicaid, to change medicare as we know it, to make big government the enemy, except when big government needs to interfere with women's rights. but here's the thing. there's an opposing view. the storm last week made one thing so clear. government is vital. and the last four years have driven the same point home. >> no matter how bad a storm is, no matter how tough times may get, we are all in this together. we rise and fall as one nation and as one people. >> we've come too far to turn back now. we've come too far to let our hearts grow faint. now is the time to keep pushing forward. >> now's the time to keep pushing forward. not turn back. that's what is at stake for
millions in this country tomorrow, it's about what kind of country we're going to have. like i've all said, this election is about more than just obama. it's about your mama. joining me now is journalist and former judge, katherine cryer and michelle cottle. thank you all for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> michelle, let me go to you first. this is no normal election. isn't this a huge decision point for this country? >> it is. we're always talking about this is the most important election in our history but there's at least one item on the table and that's the health care plan and the fate of it is going to depend heavily on who ends up in the white house and we've talked about elections are big ideas and you have big choices to make and i think it's notable that
mitt romney has spent a great deal of time trying to cover up what his big ideas are, trying to align the differences and step away from the severe conservatism he was peddling earlier towards a more moderate version where he wouldn't dream of dealing with abortion legislation or giving tax breaks to the wealthy, that sort of thing. >> yeah. but, dana, they have supported massive cuts, to her point, cuts to government despite taking a more moderate stand lately. they have said they supporteded -- that they talked every day about repealing the health care law, for example. they both love the ryan budget that would end medicare as we know it and that same budget pushed for cuts in medicaid, food stamps, pell grants, and fema. i mean, we're talking about a radical change if it romney and ryan win tomorrow. >> right. and reverend, there is always a tendency to say that this is the most important election at least since the last election but for
a couple of reasons this is very significant. one is, there is going to be something done about this looming debt crisis and it's either going to be done by iviscerating the safety net or the way taxes are paid in this country. it's a huge he decision. and we're not really resolving just the 2012 election. we're probably resolving the 2016 election here because the economy has begun to improve and in part because of the policies put in place, things should be humming along quite nicely by 2016. so probably the party that is elected tonight will be in power for the next eight years and likely the congressional majority teas will follow and i am pli meant its will. >> katherine, it's even beyond, in my opinion, the next eight years. because whoever is elected tomorrow will probably select one to three supreme court
justices who will make decisions for the next several decades. >> absolutely. >> and if this court is tipped further to the right, we could lose roe versus wade, we could lose voting right acts. there's many things that the court will decide in the next couple of years and whoever is president is is going to decide who sits in that sit and that will affect us not just for the four to eight years. it will affect us for decades. >> when you look at the campaigns for presidency and the senate and congress, we're talking about a $3 billion campaign so there is the most critical. and the republicans snapped very early in that they were smart to appoint young people to the court so you're talking about justices who could serve for 30, 40 years and this kind of thing is -- when you talked about government in your introduction, i fail to see why many people
think that free from government is the concept in this country. the whole idea was to create a government of the people that would work to preserve and protect freedoms, liberties, all sorts of things but the general welfare clause in the constitution makes it clear that our government came together, in part, to protect the welfare of the american people, not to abandon them. >> now, let's go to michelle. let's deal with the election. the electoral college, the electoral vote -- "new york times" 538 blog says that the election, if it were held today, president obama would win, he would get 307 electoral votes. mitt romney would get 231. of course, the magic number is 270 to win the white house. the times also gives the president by far the greatest chance of winning. "the times" blog gives an 86%
chance of winning the election. romney only has a 14% chance. so if we are to look at the electoral lineup and what the times is projecting, president obama wins if his support shows as they have been polled. >> exactly. and this is why you already have a lot of republicans come paining about that times blog saying the numbers are cooked or that they are biased or all of the usual arguments that you would get. now, what nate silver and the times blogs send to look at are state polls, swing states. ohio is obviously the central one here and traditionally the state polls have done a pretty good job at predicting sort of thing. at this point, much of the media has got ep behind the idea that obama has the better chance of going into tomorrow. >> dana, you still build leads
in every single swing state except for one. today virginia was added by a row margin and at this point romney only leads in florida by two points. the president appears to be in great shape. >> he appears to be. i was at a romney event in virginia he a seemed to be less than the even thus yachl that you would expect to see on the last day of a campaign. i think we should be careful. all of this could be wrong. yes, it does appear that things are moving in obama's direction. we in the media have blown these things before. predictions are precarious but it does look like it's going to
be a good night for obama. >> catherine, the gop -- it's not going right. listen to the romney surrogate, john kasich, what he had to say. >> i think god created pollsters to make astroll gers look accurate. the romney internal polling shows that we are still slightly ahead. >> so here you have the governor of ohio saying the pollsters are wrong, their internal polls show that they are slightly ahead. are they spinning? is he in denial? >> then you hear people -- i believe it was karl rove -- who has already spined a narrative that it was hurricane sandy that may have shifted if he loses. so they are beginning to create a conversation about what if romney loses, which to me is in
direct contradiction to what they say their internal polls are saying. >> well, it will be an interesting night. we'll be here at 6:00 tomorrow. we'll be here all night long. catherine crier, dana milbank, michelle cottle, thank you for being here tonight. out ranl jous lines in ohio and florida are not an accident, they are part of a deliberate attempt to depress the vote and democrats are fighting back. plus, new ugly attacks in the final hour of the campaign. now republicans are accusing the president of attacking christian values. also, from roe versus wade to planned parenthood, we'll talk to senator barbara boxer about what is really at stake for women in this campaign. you're watching a special edition of "politicsnation," live from democracy plaza here
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hide his record but don't be fooled. this is not a secret. >> i hope to appoint justices to the supreme court that follow the law and it would be my preference that they reverse roe v. wade. >> my preference is that they reverse roe v. wade. that is why tomorrow is so serious. the future of the supreme court is very much on the ballot. joining me now is senator barbara boxer, democrat from california and a great champion for women's rights. thank you for joining me, senator. >> thank you, reverend. >> i want to play for you a newly uncovered video of governor romney from 2007 talking with a radio show host about his real record on women. was not on the air during this exchange. watch this, senator. >> i was governor four years. i had a number of pieces of legislation that came to my desk
and i vetoed any bill that was in favor of choice. i was entirely consistent in favor of life. >> look at my record. but lately he's been trying to hide from that record. and run to the middle. how extreme is the real mitt romney, senator boxer? >> he's very extreme. i'd love to hear this latest clip. governor romney vetoed so many bills. i forget the exact number. he was overwritten by the legislature because he was so out of the mainstream. you know, all you have to do is go back to the convention. remember, the republican platform makes abortion a criminal act. >> right. >> and it had no exception for rape and incest. mitt romney could have said, this is wrong, i don't want to do. this but instead he did nothing
to change it and he picked paul ryan who agrees with that they support criminalizing women and doctors and supported making abortion at -- even in the case of rape or incest a class -- i think it was a double a felony, meaning a woman or her doctor could spend the rest of their lives in jail. so mitt romney can run for president but he cannot hide from his true feelings. and he said he would be delighted to sign a bill if we sent him such a bill, which we never would as long as i am in the senate overturning roe v. wade. he's going to quote/unquote get rid of planned parenthood which
serves three million people in our country. not -- 97% of it is health care, pure and simple preventive health care. breast cancer screenings, cervical screenings. so i'm just saying this man cannot hide from his record. >> when you look at -- you're talking about rick berg who is the north dakota representative running for the senate and berg actually said -- i'm quoting him. he voted to make abortion in case of rape a class a felony including rape or incest. in fact, there are 13 candidates that include rape and incest as to what they would support. these are people running for the senate, republicans, that include incest and rape as not being barred from their opposition that women have the right to chose. but this is about as far right as you can possibly get.
>> reverend, it's more than being far right. it is cruel. rape, incest, those are horrific crimes. in other words, 20 years after a rape, if you have dna evidence, you can go after the perpetrator. we areki aut a criminal act that scars women and when you talk about paul ryan saying that barack obama doesn't have values, let's talk about his values, paul ryan's values, mitt romney's values where they are supporting people who would actually put a woman in jail if she tried to end a pregnancy that came from rape or incest and, by the way, i can't resist saying this. i hope -- give me just another second -- the nuns, the catholic nuns were so upset at paul ryan's values that he demonstrated in his terrible budget that the catholic nuns
went on a bus trip all across america protesting paul ryan's budget. so don't tell me -- yeah. i mean, they are wonderful. those nuns, they are brave. they are courageous and they have looked at paul ryan and said, huh-uh. you don't share the same values. >> let's look at the politics of this. when you look at the new msnbc wall street journal poll, it shows the real jender gap that has come out of all of this. romney has a seven-point lead among likely male voter. obama has a lead among women voters. nearly ten million more women voted than men in 2008. they are a force to be reckoned with. >> oh, without a doubt. and we could have the year of the women this year. not only seeing more women in the congress elected but more women voting than ever and, by
the way, i don't know if you're aware of this because it was a surprise when i learned it a little bit of go, the undecided voters are mostly women and they are looking at this and they are very smart at the end of the day they are going to come home to president obama and the democrats because these guys who were running and i include mitt romney who think so little of women and their judgment, who have so little respect for women that they would put a woman in jail if she tried to end a pregnancy because of rape? i mean, i have to say to you, that just does not fit any value set that i'm aware of in this country. 80% of the people disagree with that view. and i hope that we win big. i know we don't know which way -- >> senator boxer, i'm going to have to leave it there. >> we have to vote. >> thank you, as always, for coming on, and keep on fighting. >> okay. ahead, ohio secretary of state has a last minute hail
mary making it harder to vote. but tonight one democratic governor is making it easy. go figure. and one day before the election, the obama/christie friendship takes a new twist. you will not believe the surprise president obama had for him today. this is a special edition of "politicsnation," live from democracy plaza here on the place for politics, msnbc. ♪
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the new friendship between president obama and governor christie has gone to a new level. the president started the last day of the campaign in wisconsin where he was joined on stage with new jersey's rock legend bruce springsteen. after wisconsin, bruce and the president hopped on air force one and touched down in ohio where bruce urged ohioans to vote for the president and move forward. and this is where it gets good. the other jersey guy getting attention and praise these days for his handling of sandy is governor chris christie. but there's one person that really matters to the governor. the atlantic recently reported that the governor has been to 129 bruce springsteen shows.
he knows every word to every springsteen song and dreams of playing drums in the e street band but springsteen ignores christie at shows because of a major difference in politics. so the governor of jersey gets snubbed and ignored by his own new jersey idol. but those days are over. governor christie took a call from president obama today and here's what he said happened on that call. >> he was calling from air force one and he told me that in times of real difficulty he thought that the only thing better than one jersey guy were two jersey guys and he put bruce springsteen on the phone. we had a good conversation today and it was great to talk to the president and even better to talk to bruce. >> wow. this friendship might last. [ chuckles ]
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we're back with the romney campaign going dirty to the finish line from the start they have been an ugliness to this campaign, a meanness, a vision of division. they have done their best to hide it. but in these final days, it's been seeping out for all to see. saying the president wants americans to be dependent on government, saying he doesn't understand what it takes to make this country work, saying he's unamerican. it adds up to one thing. he's not one of us. he's the other. this election is about choosing a future for this country and the future republicans are presenting in these last hours of this race. it's one of divisiveness, one of us versus then and it's the wrong choice for america. joining me now are two people who have been on the front lines for the fight for fairness in this country, lee saunders, and
cecil richards, president of planned parenthood. thank you both for being here tonight. >> good evening, al. >> lee, let me start with you. i want to talk to you about something that's getting a lot of attention tonight. last night on an unscheduled conference call with evangelical christians, paul ryan was talking about the president's policies for america and he said, quote, it's a dangerous path. it's a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those judeo-christian, western civilization values that made us such a great and exceptional nation in the first place. lee, what is mr. ryan really trying to say here? >> well, i think that i would flip it on them and ask them to maybe travel to new jersey, travel to new york, travel to connecticut where we had
complete devastation last week with hurricane sandy and the folks that ran immediately into that problem to help, to save lives, to rebuild those communities, were public service workers. that was government at its best. that's what we do. i was in connecticut, al, a couple of days ago and i visited bridgeport, connecticut, where they had a lot of devastation, flooding. homes damaged, homes destroyed. and public service workers, the first responders, police, fire, public works department employees, they were there providing essential services to those citizens that have been affected. i would say to mitt romney and paul ryan, go to those areas and see what government workers do. see what government means in a time of crisis. i was there. you should go. >> now, lee, you've been on the front line, president of the largest municipal county and state union and you've seen the radical form of being anti-government and union busting. but, cecil, you've been one to
see firsthand how they have been so bent on trying to come after planned parenthood, women's right to choose, even contraception. you've seen ugliness from another side. romney has repeatedly said if he wins he will get rid of planned parenthood. listen to this. >> i'll cut off funding to planned parenthood. >> i'll cut the subsidies and funding to planned parenthood. >> the federal government should not tax these people to pay for planned parent looked. >> planned parenthood, we're going to get rid of that. >> in the last two years, the gop has tried to cut planned parenthood, february 2001, the house voted to defund planned parenthood. 2011, 2012, ten states made efforts to defund planned parenthood. march of this year, mitt romney said he would get rid of planned parenthood. i mean, these people have an
extremely aggressive program that really is dangerous. >> i agree, reverend. and i think that's why we are seeing historic gender gap in this election, is when mitt romney says he's going to get rid of planned parenthood, it's about the three million folks who count on us every year for affordable health care. it shows to me that he doesn't get it when it comes to what women need. women are looking for a president that they can trust and not only they can't trust mitt romney with their future, but they can trust president obama. he has been the best president for women, for women's health care in my lifetime. he's done more to make it affordable, accessible to women to get access to health care. he's obviously fought for equal pay for women. we need a president who is on our side and that's what this is coming down to. women trust president obama and that's why they are voting for him in historic numbers. >> lee, they have a robo call
out that is targeted at christian voters and swing states. listen to what the are robo call says. i want you to hear this. >> obama forced christian organizations to provide insurance coverage that was contrary to their religious beliefs. that's the real barack obama. that's the real threat to our religious freedom. mitt romney understands the importance of faith and family. that's why so many leaders of the christian community are supporting romney. they know we can't underestimate the threat barack obama poses to our faith, our values, our freedom. >> the threat he poses to our faith, our values, our freedom, yet he wants to bust unions who represent our first responders, he wants to eliminate women's right to make basic decisions or even contraception. this is what is being targeted to voters in swing states right
now, lee saunders. >> well, this is what we're doing in ohio, wisconsin, all across the country. we're mobilizing, educating our members. clearly there's a major difference between what mitt romney stands for and what president obama has done. mitt romney came to ohio and stood next to john kasich, the governor of ohio, when he was trying to take away the bargaining and he supported his efforts 110%. the republicans want to see a national right to work for less law passed across this country. they want to take rights that have been bargained for in the private sector and public sector by unions. we are not going to stand for that. that's why our folks are mobilized about this and excited. i was on a major thoroughfare in cleveland today and i thought there was an accident because there was so much traffic. people were getting out of their cars and voting. they are doing that by record
numbers in ohio. union numbers are coming out and supporting president obama and joe biden by record numbers. we're going to continue that through tomorrow. >> cecil, what are you looking to see happen tomorrow? >> obviously as lee said, what matters is who comes out to vote. i just left ohio. record gender gap with women supporting the president because not only birth control access but screenings, health care screenings, well women visits, the things that make a difference to women. what really matters and what i think is so important is that it depends on who goes and votes and we've got to make sure if women vote, this president is going to get re-elected and it will be a good -- and move this country forward. i think all of the things you were mentioning tonight, this campaign and mr. romney, it's gotten increasingly desperate. what people want to do is come together and move this country
forward. that's what barack obama's all about. >> lee saunders and cecile richards, thank you for your time tonight. >> good talking to you, al. still ahead, gop voter suppression. republicans want you waiting in long lines at the ballot box. democrats are fighting back in ohio, florida, and beyond. into plus, we'll look at the sacrifices others have made so we can exercise our right to vote. we'll be right back on this special edition of "politicsnation," live from democracy plaza just one day before election day 2012. in other words, their back is on cynicism. well, wisconsin, my bet is on you. my bet's on you.on cynicism. well, wisconsin, my bet is on you. my bet's on you. cynicism. well, wisconsin, my bet is on you. my bet's on yoon cynicism.
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big news tonight on voting in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. governor andrew cuomo of new york says new yorkers displayed by the storm can cast their ballot anywhere tomorrow. this is how democracy should work. our leaders should make it easier to vote, not harder. but for more than a year, republicans have been conspireing to take away voting rights. in two key states, florida and ohio. republican officials have cut back early voting so much that people have been forced to wait in line for two, three, four, as much as eight hours. >> the line is wrapping around the building. morning morning calm, unlike sunday. they brought out the absentee
ballot boxes. they are out front right now because they are trying to streamline this so the folks dropping off absentee ballots don't have to wait in a long line. >> this is the line outside of the cuyahoga county board of elections. we're told that some people waited as much as two hours to cast their votes. >> how long have you been waiting in line? >> it seems like forever. >> two hours, two 1/2 2 1/2 hours. >> voting is a fundamental right. it shouldn't change based on which party is in power. joining me now are two lawmakers who have been standing up for voting rights, marcia fudge and fredricka wilson. >> thank you, reverend al. >> congresswoman fudge, let me start with you. are these long lines another
form of voter suppression, in your opinion? >> oh, i certainly think that they are. let me say this, reverend al. i'm happy to see the long lines because that says to me all of the dirty tricks that have been pulled by our secretary of state are not working and our people are determined to vote no matter what it takes. >> you know, congresswoman fredricka wilson, down in your district i was there for operation eliminate with curry and other networks. long lineses from the first day of early voting, you were there helping to lead the way. it seems like this has backfired. the more the right wingers tried to stop people, people have said we're going to stand up anyway but should they have to suffer through this kind of deliberate form of trying to try their patience and wear them down? >> it is totally outrageous. this is the classic example of voter suppression.
we have 30 items on the ballots half of which are led by the republican-led legislature. the ballot takes one person at least 30 minutes to vote. plus, they have cut back on the amount of early voting days from 14. now we have eight. they won a lawsuit, we didn't. and there are only 20 sites opened in the whole miami-dade county and we have actually 829 voting precincts. they opened 20. so consequently, when the polls closed at 7:00 p.m. each night, there are hundreds of people still in line and they are not able to vote until 1:00 and 2:00 in the morning. people are standing in line for seven and eight hours. they are bringing their chairs, they are bringing lemonade, they are making friends. they are not going to stop us.
however, this is outrageous. >> now, congresswoman fudge, we've seen the fight from sb 5 all the way through to now in ohio. secretary of state that seemed determined to stop people. has this backfired? have they really awakened to sleeping giant of people surely determined to have their democratic democratic vote and their democratic empowered values protected? >> there is no question that it's backfired on the secretary of state, reverend al. when you look at what early voting has done across the state. mind you, we lost nine days. the secretary of state did everything he could possibly do to keep us from voting this weekend, even including today. we had to go to court. he appealed to the supreme court of the united states to try to prevent us from having voting this weekend. so even with nine days fewer
voting days and restricted hours, we have surpassed everything anyone thought we could do. and not because people have this desire to vote early but they know if they don't they don't know what will happen because of all of the things going on in ohio. so it has backfired. people are taking it very personally. we look at an election which in 2008 we said was historic. this election is personal and we are not going to allow the secretary of state or anyone else to restrict or in any way hamper our ability to go out and vote. >> congresswoman wilson, what's going to happen in florida tomorrow? who's going to win? >> oh, barack obama. this is barack obama territory. and we will stand in line for two days because as long as you are in line by 7:00 p.m. on tuesday, you can vote. and we have our mayor has opened
the elections department. so we have people going in voting with absentee ballots today, which is something that the naacp and democratic party filed a lawsuit in florida and we got permission. so we're working all of the angles but the people who were denied the right to vote during early voting, you will see them in record numbers on tuesday and we will be shuffling them back and forth in buses and taxis and all kinds of transportation to and from the polls and just call us. let us know and we will be there. because this is obama country. >> what's going to happen in ohio, congresswoman fudge? >> reverend al, i am so confident that the president is going to win in ohio. certainly cuyahoga county where i represent is a major portion of the state of ohio as it relates to the democratic vote. understand -- i say this to all of our residents, if you have
any problem, we will be there. we will have as many observers as they will have. we will make sure that we make the process as easy as we possibly can. we are certain that there are going to be some problems with provisional ballots but we have people there to help and provide whatever assistance you might need. i am confident that right will win and when right wins our president is going to win. so i expect a victory in ohio tomorrow. >> when you say proper provisional ballots, what should people do if they have a problem? will you have people at the polls in ohio and florida? congresswoman fudge, let me start with you. >> yes, we have not only observers but judges in every single polling place. we have a direct line. there is a direct line to an attorney's group. we are prepared for whether it's true the vote or whoever it may be. >> and you as well, congresswoman wilson, people can call, organizing a lot of our groups are nonpartisan but
certainly they are not going to let people be robbed of their vote. >> yes. and we have the justice department here. >> uh-huh. >> the justice department is here also. >> macia fudge, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. your right to vote has been paid for with the blood and tears and generations of sacrifice. we'll look at the long road in 2012 and what it took to get here. that's next.
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