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country is known for its political ones. think bush, roosevelt, taft. my favorite, duck. back to politics, the bush dynasty continues through jeb bush who some say is an early 2016 presidential contender and his son george p. bush lou is running for texas land commissioner. in all the bushes had two presidents, one vice president, two governors, one senator and one u.s. congressman. also starting a new chapter is the kennedy dynasty. caroline kennedy is being considered as u.s. ambassador to japan. her grandfather was roosevelt's ambassador to great britain. the ken klan included one president, three senators and five representatives. how about landrieu or pryor? those are the names democrats hope will help them win mid-term re-elections in red states. we are really red states. obama lost senator mary landrieu's home state louisiana by 17 points in november.
his loss in senator mark prior's arkansas was even worse. 24 points. the big question, are deep roots and multigenerational name recognition a comforting blessing or a curse in the anti-establishment push for fresh faces? a recent article in the national journal got us thinking about it. here to help us break this down is nbc news senior political editor, mark murray. we might all recoil at the notion of nepotism in a if you going democracy, but in reality this happens more often than we think and for less than nefarious reasons. sometime we like voting for the guy we know. >> the reason it happens is name i.d. it is so hard for somebody with a plain name to jump into politics. particularly running for a governor's seat or a statewide u.s. senate seat. if you have a famous last name, particularly if you come from a family that has big ties to that
particular state, you have a leg up on all your competition, on fundraising. that's why sometime it does matter. it isn't always consequential. there are instances where the dynastic lost. one who lost to bill nelson last year in the senatorial contest. so it matters but it is not the most consequential thing. sfim come down to a candidate's skill as well as probably the most important thing, the overall political environment. republicans have a better time turning off voters in offyears. the gop to retain the house. maybe even pick up the senate. which are the democratic dynasty candidates who could help their party stave that off? >> you mentioned two of them. in democrats, being able to win the senate seats. in louisiana and in arkansas next year will be crucial their
ability. up for re-election, mary landrieu, the democratic senator from louisiana, as well as mark pryor. if one or both are able to win come november, 2014, odds are democrats will probably hold on to control the u.s. senate. and going to your point, the landrieu name is a very famous name in louisiana. it is very similar to being a kennedy in massachusetts. that has helped her family win contests in that state. she is hoping that is one thing that can help her being a democrat in an increasingly red state of louisiana. >> growing up in massachusetts, i can attest to the power of the kennedy name. for decades and decades. even though americans would probably say, no, no, we don't believe in political dynasties, that's like royalty. we actually do, as you said, the 2009 study in the review of check studies talks about the longer you hold power, the greater chance your heirs will get to attain power. if you barely win the election,
you are far more likely to put a cousin or a son or daughter into office than somebody who barely loses re-election. if you win more than one term, that doubles the odds for a relative of yours to enter congress in the future. but the question i want to get in is why. you start to dig into it before. i want to push a little bit more. is it something that like, because families become brands and voters just and go they pull the lever for the people they know? or is that it these families have some political talents intrinsic to them that they sort of give to each other or teach to each other. >>or connections. >> i think it is more the brand. being able to have that brand. to have that name recognition is huge in american politics. sometimes that would cost a multimillionaire and even a billionaire candidate just millions and millions of dollars to be abe to get something where a relative of the kennedy klan running for the first time in office would have perfect name i.d. i think that's what it comes
down. to one interesting thing going to that point. while relatives often end up achieving office based on their parents or relatives' success, a lot of times when you keep going down the family tree, those candidates aren't as good as their parents or grandparents used to be. for example, we don't have any more roosevelts dominating american politics anymore. when ted kennedy passed away very recently, the kennedy clan, while it has a member of congress, isn't the powerhouse that it was in the 1950s and 1960s. >> it is not just in the families. if you look at the data, what we see is that over 12% of members of congress used to be from dynasties. that's the left part of that chart. and it has been crashing since the mid 19th century. down to just with 6% of congress. so there is something going on here where all those attributes may be real and have some punch. clearly the long term trend here is less dynasties in our
politics which seem like a good thing. >> it is the way we consume news nowadays. while having great name i.d. and it costs billions for people to get to know you, with change in media, how people get their news. they get their information. it is so much different than the advent of the radio days where it was a flame and a flame only. things do change. to get your foot in the door, to dip your toes in the water, having a famous last name never hurts. >> you think the public should thank you and the press for making this a more democratic country? >> more the fact is they can thank not the press but how technology has changed. people can get information in choosing their political candidates. >> i think also, adding to the
name i.d. which is important. when you have that kennedy last name, you have a level of credibility with sort of the establishment and the donor class that gets from you zero to 1 very quickly and very easily. i wanted to change gears with you, mark. and talk about some news of the day. we had senator kirk, republican senator from illinois, joining senator rob portman as the two republican senators now supporting gay marriage. senator kirk, i thought, released a very moving statement saying in part, our time on this part is limited. i know that better than most. life comes down to who you love and who loves you back. government has no place in the middle. do you think that these are two sort of isolated incidents, kirk and portman? or do you think we're going to see more and more republican elected officials coming out in support of gay marriage? >> crystal, the change in the republican party has been much slower than the democratic party. i look at the totality of the seed change. outside of the iraq war when you
had democrats trying to trip over themselves from 2005 to 2007. they were saying, my vote against iraq war, in favor of it was incorrect. i'm trying to change on that. this issue of gay marriage has been the most remarkable issue where people have changed. have evolved in a very short am of time. that's an amazing thing that you often don't see in politics. it is typically a very slow-moving process. we've seen some very rapid change on this issue in weeks, if not days. >> all true. mark murray, thank you very much for joining us. >> up next, the president's big announcement today. he said new science could help us battle diseases like alzheimer's. ptsd and more. but is now the right time to be spending the money? we'll spin as we roll on for tuesday, april 2nd. welcome to the new new york state.
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as humans, we can identify galaxies light years away, we can study particles smaller than an atom. but we still haven't unlocked the mystery of the three pounds of matter that sits between our ears. the most powerful computer in the world isn't nearly as intuitive as the one we're born with. there is this enormous mystery waiting to be unlocked. >> indeed. that's the president this morning asking a budget
conscious congress to open its mind and purse and spend $100 million on a new prong to map the human brain. the goal, develop new technology that's record the activities of individual cells and neurons in our brains which could lead to treatments for alzheimer's, epilepsy, traumatic brain injuries and other diseases. >> we can't afford to miss these opportunities while the rest of the world races ahead. we have to seize them. i don't want to next job creating industries to happen in china or germany or india. i want them right here in the united states of america. that's part of what this brain initiative is about. >> he also said that it will create jobs. what i would love to dig into is what's really going on inside the brain. this is what makes us different than all other animals. of course, we are animals but we have higher consciousness, higher functioning that separates us. and there is still tremendous mystery with the brain. there are some really important things i think we need to get
down to with this research. some questions that i have, how are memories stored? where do we store memories? how do we access them? we don't know how the retrieval process goes. there are actual physical changes in the brain when you learn something and put it into your memory. how does that happen? what are we doing there? what are emotions? i know some of the women like krystal are laughing. oh, look, a man saying what are emotions? physically in term of the gray matter, what are emotions? how are they processed? what is intelligence? why is that it two people who have the same information come at them going to the same college, taking same classes, but learn to process the information differently and come out one a little more intelligent than the other? if we could understand that, we would learn a lot more. how does the future simulator in the brain work? a lot of time we enter a situation. we can see things, see an environment that we recognize. i'm pretty sure i know what will happen. how does that brain do that? and of course, why do we dream? what is the purpose for the
brain in giving us dreams? i think we can learn some things, some important things about what it means to be human. that would help us not only when the brain makes mistakes for people with alzheimer's, these sorts of things. for people well functioning. >> well, in our daily nod to steve kornacki, i recall once discussing with you guys, how much i wanted to live in steve's brain but only for like five minutes and then i would need a safe word. >> yes, yes. >> oh, steve, i love this research. i wish, i wish when we're kind of struggling economically that we could either put this on hold or maybe go with a private funding. but there is some skepticism, i will say, not to be debby downer about this. but there is some skepticism. donaldstein thinks the money should be better spent by first figuring out what needs to be measure asked then figuring out the most important means to
measure it. this sort of seem like a study for the sake of studies. and to call it job creation seems a little silly to me. with you who knows? we'll see. i am not a master of science. i don't know how science works. so we will see if science proves me wrong. >> well, then, maybe that's why you need the study. >> the study. >> one of the things the white house has done here is carefully work with nongovernmental research. so you have the allen institute, the howard hughes institute, the kavli group, there are several groups on board as a nongovernmental piece. and i think that's important because there are legitimate questions to be raised whenever the government is heavily involved in science and research. we want it to be fairly independent which can be done through oversight in the government or working with private partners. the other part of this is really obviously a big job program. one study that is bandied about a lot which the president cited his state of the union, for
every dollar spend researching the human genome. not every project will get that kind of return. there is a lot of evidence from historical examples that this can work. the other thing i want to mention, and i think this is of paramount importance. the name of this project. that is brain research through advancing innovative neuro technologies. which spells out to brain. >> brilliant. >> you just blew my mind. >> i'm going to leave 30th and i'm going to drop the paper. >> i don't know how i can follow that. >> should we rap? >> i was actually thinking about, one of the criticisms that actually came from both sides of the aisle that i think i've made myself, of the stimulus plan from the president was that it was all these little projects. it was sort of things that were already half cooked, congressional district requests that could be put through quickly and there were no big
overarminging vision that americans could sort of sink their teeth into and get excited. look, this is $100 million. it is not in the grand scheme of the federal budget, it is not a massive spend. i think it is something that americans can get excited about. can sort of feel pride about. can follow and feel like we're getting back to those days where we're really leading the world in terms of what we're doing from a science perspective. and i think that's exciting. >> exploring inner space, right? rather than outer space. >> exactly. another thing that i was thinking about, to your point, they do have private sector partners here. i think this project illustrates why it is so important to have the federal government involved in research. it is hard to get private sector funding if there is not an immediate obvious monday tiesable benefits. so you want that partner that is not just looking for what sort of technology can we come one that we can then sell or make money off of. they're at the broader public good. so i think that is important.
one thing that, one article that jumped out at me was raising the specter of potentially them coming one the technology to sort of control people's brains remotely. which is a little bit scary. so also important that as part of this, they included an ethical study. >> talk about a safe word. >> be thinking about ethics involved because we can go into some crazy potential directions. i'm psyched about this. >> you're psyched about the study of the brain. >> cool, glad we broke that down to the atom. what would you want to learn about yourself if you could map your own brain? christopher william riordan says, honestly, i believe that guy from the '80s who said the mind is a terrible thing was right. the less we understand about the inner wiring of our biological stereo system, the better off we are. of course, saying the mind is a terrible thing to waste. i think you have missed the point of that. need to get a couple more of those neurons firing.
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state and federal investigators are pouring into north texas searching for clues in the case of two recently murdered prosecutors. the latest focus is finding out whether there is a connection between these killings and last year's indictment of more than 30 members of the aryan brotherhood of texas. you may remember an ex-convict believed to have gun down a prison chief last month was also tied to a white supremacist prison gang. these developments serve as a solemn reminder that the relationship between hate groups and violence remains very real. white supremacists specifically were responsible for 2 of the 7 murders in the last years. and the up nfl hate group in the u.s. has increased by nearly 70%
since 2000. and the intelligence director from a group that documents the state of hate groups in america. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. starting here with what we just discussed, this investigation here in texas, the rising incidence of violence tied to white supremacist groups and the rise really in the number of hate groups around the country. why do you think this is happening now? and why don't our policy makers prioritize this problem as much as the equally important risk from domestic terrorism in general? >> well, that's a fantastic question. look, we've been facing a rising tide in the number of hate groups as you said, growing by 70% over a very short period of time. we've had may know domestic terrorist events carried out by white supremacists including the shooting at the sikh temple last april that killed seven folks. another mass shooting in phoenix. and now possibly this situation
involving the aryan brother who have of texas with the murders of the ada and the d.a. and his wife. the fact is that according to a recent west point study, there have been more domestic terrorist incidents committed by right wing radicals than by people connected to al qaeda. it is an issue that needs to be taken more seriously by our government than it has been. >> speaking to that rising tide and where that is coming from, some of it has been tied or conjectured to be tied to the politics of the country. potentially the election of the first african-american president. but is another reason for the rising tide our criminal justice system and how much of our population is in prison? i actually did not realize this aryan brotherhood gang being talked about in texas, formed in prison. it is describe as a prison gang. are prisons sort of breeding grounds for these types of hate groups? >> they are. the fact of the matter is that the prison system is breeding white supremacist gangs like the
aryan brotherhood of texas, like the 211 crew, the shooter in colorado is connected to. there are probably a few dozen white supremacist prison gangs dealing drugs inside and outside of prisons across the country. the thing about prisons is that they're heavily segregated. so most inmates when they come, in end up having to ally themselves to a gang, latino or african-american or in the case we're talking about here, white supremacist. so it is a really nasty brew breeding inside the prisons and now spilling out of them. >> i think in the interests of being responsible, we should say that we have absolutely no idea who is connected to this case in texas. but heidi, your group at splc has earned significant criticism over the years for smearing religious and far right groups and ignoring far left hate groups. shouldn't people be aware of your ideological biases before they take seriously your claim about who they should be afraid
of? >> well, i guess i have to dispute the notion of the question on its, on the premise. the fact of the matter is that we've written about left wing domestic terrorism for almost a decade now coming from animal rights groups, for example. or eeko terrorist types. the criticism we get most heavily from the right wing are complaints about our listing of groups like the family research council or the american family association as anti-gay hate groups. and the fact of the matter is that those organizations are akin to many of the white supremacist organizations that we list in the sense that they lie about gay folks. white supremacist folks lie about african-americans. in the case of something like the family research council, they put out all kinds of defamatory information about how gays are child molesters at higher rates and so on with the intention of destroying that particular population and making them appear to be lesser. so for us, it is a no brainer to put groups like that on our hate list. >> the family research council was actually the i am have recently of a hate crime as i'm
sure you're aware will a gentleman stormed the building in d.c. with a bag full of chick-fil-a sandwiches. >> we're all about trying to stop terrorism and violence. that was a disgusting incident sflx the doj says 270,000 hate crime each year. many unreported. your organization has mapped hate groups all over the country. and this is terrorism. we don't usually think of this as terrorism. but the presence of them so severe in the local and national community and their power is greater than just over those who they actually attack. i want to talk about why you think that there has been a stiff rise, a steep rise in the number of hate groups since 2000. it has to be more than the president. this is going back to 2000. why are we seeing a rise in this now? >> yeah, it is more than the president obviously. he is first elected in 2008.
the basic argument we've been since this rise began in two thourk you have to understand in the 1990s, we cannot have that kind of sustain rise. the numbers bounced around. it is a pretty simple thing. our racial demographics in this country. right around 2000, you saw every major hate group in this country, klan groups, they decided their real number weren't african-americans but latinos. there was a simple reason for that. in 2000, the u.s. census bureau reported in 2042, whites would go into the minority. if you're a white supremacist, that scares the heck out of you. they began focusing all their efforts on latinos and latinos are the demographic threat from their perspective. that has been helping to build their ranks. and the anti-green back lash has been part of that, too. >> so when people who are not
racists trying to get votes, does that perpetuate the thing when the white supremacists take it even further? >> well, yeah. it feeds into the view of white supremacists that there are at love white folks who hate immigrants as much as they. do brown skinned immigrants. they don't care about those who come from places like england. it makes them feel like the political system is playing into their belief system. often time you see hate groups trying to glom on to organizations. they certainly backed all those sb 1070 type laws that passed here in alabama. so yeah, it is feeding the beast. >> important research, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. up next, something a little different. baseball as religion. i have always worshipped at the church of the mariners. our next guest says the game can bring all of us closer to god. i buy it. i'm the world's worst cleaning lady.
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people who have never picked up a bat or watched a game in their lives love that speech because it speaks to something bigger than the sport. our next guest says baseball itself is bigger than sports. he is my peer ad visor for decades. even if you are a nonbeliever or not a baseball fan, it isn't hard to see the similarities. devotion, blessings and curses, sacred places and time and of course, miracles. shout out to my 1986 mets. joining us now is john sexton, president of nyu and the author of baseball as a road to god. seeing beyond the game. welcome. >> it is good to see you again. >> i wish i were there to say hi in person. as you know, because you were my adviser, i did my dissertation comparing the devotional practices between the faithful and sports fans. so you don't have to make this
connection for me. i already got it. tell everyone else, how is baseball the road to god? >> there are many dimensions to it. you can play it through several levels. the most obvious being things like the stadium as a cathedral. you move quickly it's past that, i think, in the case of baseball. your dissertation was on sports in general. but baseball has a timeless quality about it that almost justifies the word unique. that's a word we should use carefully. if you're a true baseball fan, if you move past the moment where you think, oh, this is boring and slow, you begin to notice that you're noticing. and that account is different in the first inning with the runner on base than if there is no runner on base. or it is different from a could you please, the same count in the eighth inning or if the game is in the playoffs as opposed to a regular season. you begin to notice in the small
things, things that are extremely important. and that noticing is something that we associate with the contemplative life in religion. and it is the same skill set. and i think baseball in a special way, if not a unique way, inculcates that for the real fan. >> that relationship to time which is fundamentally different than football, basketball, is part of what really does that for you. and also, i want you to talk about a relationship to a team. you are a yankee fan. >> thank you. >> being part of the right religion. >> a later life yankee. >> that's okay. we'll still take you. being related to a team is very much like being part of religion. it bonds to you a community. you have saints who you worship. it teaches you faith and it forces to you deal with inevitable depression. >> it forces you to confront the human condition to take your last point. the most successful history in the history of baseball failed
six time out of ten. you're a great success if you succeed three times out of ten. so it forces you to understand that failure is not the end. and of course, that's very important in religion as well. at least in those religion that's believe in original sin, as a result of original sin, we all are victims of the fact that we won't achieve perfection. at least in this life. >> i'm one of those baseball fans who never made it past the this is boring moment. so i don't particularly connect with baseball in this way. but there is a book called born to run that makes this same spiritual connection with long distance running. that actually was very influential for me. so from that perspective, i get where you're coming from. if we can find the holy and the sacred in a mundane place like for me, in the woods running on a trail or at a baseball stadium, what do we need
organized religion for? what do we need to go to church for? >> well, there are different levels to that question as well. when i was a professionor of religion before i went to law school, i used to love to teach the writings who spoke about the essence of religion. and of course, elliott makes the point you just made. you walk through the outback of australia as a native australian, five centuries ago, and you see that which connects this plane with the other. you walk through it as a tourist in the 20th century, you see a beautiful starting mound, and your guide who goes back through the longest, continuous religion on earth sees it spiritually, you see it in a very mundane way. so it is very much in the perspective. we then layer on to that things
like the catholic, the hierarchy from constantinople and then we layer on dogma which tries to sap the essence. so there are disadvantages to those layers. but at the same time, they make broadly available the spiritual essence. if you keep your eye on it. that's what i'm trying to cause the students to do in this course and in this book. >> in the course, we were looking at your syllabus. it has to be one of the cooler sets of books to read for a class. >> i want to make it very clear, it is also a class that is a demanding class. the students read at least a book a week. >> not for slackers. >> at least a paper a week. for the first class they read the iowa baseball confederacy and the sacred and profane. it is a very demanding course with a low grader. >> and you're in charge of the whole thing over there. >> excuse me, in charge is not a word that you use at nyu.
>> i wanted to read a quote from the art of fielding which is my all time favorite baseball novel and a recent one. it talks about this philosophy. to field a ground ball must be considered a generous act. one moves not against the ball but with it. the true fielder lets the path of the ball become his own path, comprehending the ball and dissipating the self. that can almost sound high fluting. but people into any sport, especially baseball, know exactly what that means. that novel uses the story of someone who makes one bad throw and then that becomes the approximate cause for unraveling a whole career in part by overthinking the act of playing. does that relate in your mine to the way we should actually lead our entire lives? >> well, look, we're in a world which is dominated by science. and one of the arguments that i make in the class, in the book, is that we have to be careful
about becoming devotes of sciencism. science has created the great world of the known and as the segment before last on this show shows, there is a tremendous amount that is knowable but not yet known that we should strive to know will as the head of a great research facility, i'm constantly trying to facilitate that. scientists would stop there. what the argument i'm making is, there is this realm of the unknowable. not even knowable a thousand years from now. call it the ineffable. it goes to the art of fielding that you just invoked. that somehow or another, in words we can't explain, or words that can't capture what we're trying to say, this real is
there. so i knew my wife loved me and our wonderful love affair of more than 30 years until she died. not because she reasoned me to it. but because i knew it. and that was ineffable. not reducible to cognitive categories. there is problem when we begin to create dogma that try to bring the religion into the world. so for me, the eucharist speaks. for me the risen christ is real. the hierarchy, they had some good centuries and some bad centuries. >> we've got to leave it there. john sexton, thank you for joining us. >> good to see you, s.e. up next, some of the biggest names in business spilling secrets. not to their success but to what could be their downfall. marjorie, i can't stand you. you're too perfect.
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this room including the person whose cell phone just rang have a far more powerful computer in their pocket. computers have become so small, so universal, so you abomost of imagine life without them. certainly my kids can't. >> what tech gangetts can a cyclist not live without? what do we have to have with us at all times? let's back spin. my tech gadget is obvious, the phone. because the phone dies too much, a charger that holds a separate charge that i can use to charge that phone. but as the official cycle pregnant lady, i have a bit of a pregnant lady survival kit that must come with me at all times now which includes some sort of food item. usually a bar. s.e. has hemmed me out with that one on occasion. some tums. and some tylenol.
this is not related to pregnancy but i also obsessively carry a tooth brush and tooft pathpaste all times. >> i think it is gadgets with apps that work for you. some of the folks around the office have been busy developing an app that would serve toure. it would be like suri but it would be things that he needs the hear like great point and you nailed and it maybe, you're a baller. >> the funny thing is, he's stealing a joke from his girlfriend drew right now that she does. why don't you just do dora the dolphin who always compliments ari. that's the actual joke you're doing! >> wow! you can't even come up with your own jokes? you're stealing from your girlfriend? that's pathetic. >> let me get a rebuttal. this is like presidential debates. my 30-second rebuttal. happy to be inspired by my girlfriend who is very funny. number work the the dolphin
series of jokes which we don't have time to go into, is not necessarily the same as siri is app that feeds what toure needs which is to hear, great point. >> next, whatever. >> hey, toure, i thought you made a really great point. >> whoa! s.e., don't you think he nailed it? >> i did, i did. >> you're a baller.did. >> a little drawing that ari does for krystal during the show to curry favor with her. >> wow, wow. you have nerve. >> what i was going to talk about before i starred to talk about ari, yes, i have a phone i take everywhere. i thing i feel like i need all the time is a book. i guess i'm analog like that. sometimes i'm looking at this book about immigration. sometimes i'm looking at this book, oh, that's not the book i meant to bring. i always like to have a book around me. my wife is into the e-reader, but i like a physical book to put my hands on it. s.e., you're a real intellectual unlike ari. don't you like to have a
physical book like you? >> not me. i prefer the kindle, actually. >> i do. i always have a book, always have a magazine. i need to hold it in my hand as well. i always have a blackberry, an ipad like i have right now. but i'll bring up some gadgets i know you guys are familiar with. as a hunter and a fisherman, i have this love/hate relationship with the gadgets designed to service me in the field like the fish finder. they have these apps now. >> this does not seem fair, s.e. >> that call for -- they mimic dear calls and turkey calls on your phone so you don't have to learn how to make the calls. that certainly makes hunting and fishing easier, but i have to say, the whole point of getting out of there is to leave that stuff in the city. leave that junk behind. and forget about it all. so i got to say, these gadgets in the field, not my cup of tea. >> well, i want to weigh in on
the kindle versus actual book debate since i appear to be in the minority here, i think the kindle is superior in literally every way. i'm not endorsing in particular the kindle, but e-readers, we'll say. it's more environmentally friendly. i don't have to carry stuff. i don't have to think about it in advance. it remembers where i was. i can highlight it. i can -- >> the smell of a book. >> -- easily go back to little nuggets that i wanted to remember in the past. >> the kneel of the pages. >> i can be -- >> of an actual book. >> know what other people found important in book so i can be, you know, making sure that i'm finding the same things important that everybody else is. >> only you would feel peer pressure while reading. >> i have a specialty in feeling pressured -- >> it's a private activity. >> ari, are you a book guy? >> i am a book guy. definitely a paper book guy. i like to make notes in the book. also i really feel that, like, so much of life is hyperdistraction that if you're on the kindle, you know you can jump over to other stuff.
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has earned her scorn of femin t feminists everywhere. why? because in 2013, you're not supposed to talk to modern young women as an elite liberal university about the value of getting married. patton, a pioneering princeton class of '77 grad, herself, with two princeton sons, advised the win of her alma mater to make the most of their opportunities there and find a good princeton boy to marry. which she repeated on cnn on monday. >> take a good look on campus now for a potential life partner. which is not to exclude pursuing a career, not to exclude other things, but add this to your mission while you're on campus and have access to this extraordinary community of extraordinary people. find a man who isn't going to be threatened by your capacity for greatness. >> yes, that sounds like someone who wants to keep women in big skirts and baking aprons.
nevertheless, she was excused of a "excruciatingly retro understanding of relationships" and "pushing women to define themselves by their spouses." ivy league educations don't guarantee good character. i went to an ivy league school, where young men i met weren't fit to be good lab partners yet alone good husbands. it's a reality that feminists don't seem to want to believe. we are defined by our spouses. the federal government, the tax code, mortgage lenders, health care providers and insurance agents all take great interest in who our spouses are. society, too, takes an interest as any number of gay marriage advocates well tell you. getting married is importantly redefining yourself as someone's spouse. but what's so subversive and retro about finding a suitable partner from a pool of talented, ambitious and geographically accessible young ceo ds? isn't that what we do later when we try to date someone from work or date within our social
circles? or find someone online who meets our customized criteria of height, weight, hairline, and income? how is that experience any less elitist? patton wasn't telling women to put marriage ahead of their careers but just the opposite. to marry someone as smart as they are so their careers and personal lives can blossom. who a woman marries if she decides to is one of the most important decisions she can make. trust me, it's something that successful women like hillary clinton, sheryl sandberg, and eventually even gloria stinham took very, very seriously. the idea of marrying well or marrying up isn't a conversation for polite liberated circles. a woman's right not to marry, or if she must, to marry another woman, that's another sorry. these pursuits are praised and celebrated as righteous revolts against paternalism, parochialism, and conservatism. a woman's right to choose, her right not to start a family before she actually wants the responsibility that comes with sexu