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today in boston, a memorial service is being held for sean collier, the m.i.t. officer fatally shot last thursday night allegedly by the two suspects in the boston bombing. vice president joe biden will speak at his service. as the investigation into the boston bombing continues, the older suspect was entangled in a web of conspiracy theories. fringe ideas so varied and extreme that slate's dave weigel calls them not just a cocktail but a long island iced tea of conspiracy theories. the sored press reports that tamerlan visited online web sites, including inspire. he described the bible as a cheap copy of quran, used to justify wars with other countries. tamerlan also started looking for a copy of a century-old
anti-semitic text. tsarnaev also took an interest in info wars, a website started by alex joan, who has argued that the u.s. government trained, funded and protected bin laden, ordered the first world trade center bombing, and carried out the oklahoma city bombing to blame the right wing. alex jones responding to the report that tamerlan tsarnaev listened to his radio shows responded by claiming that the report is part of a government conspiracy. jones told buzzfeed i've seen this before, the federal government trying to connect me to tragedies. while both outlandish and despicable, made-up conspiracies can have destructive consequences. salon writes, the ideology of al qaeda, which seems to be the primary influence in the tsarnaev plot can be seen as a conspiracy theory itself, which places the united states at the center of all evil knit world, even the extermination campaigns
of the third reich were essentially built on a conspiracy theory, but a byproduct of the boston bombing has been to bolters another dangerous theory -- the idea that terrorism comes not from deranged radicalized individuals and groups, but instead is rooted in the islamic faith. >> i think we have to consider that we'll have to cut off muslim students for coming to this country, so we can look at what we've got and decide whether some of the people here should be sent back home or sent to prison. >> that was fox's bob beckel on monday floating an idea he double-downed on yesterday. >> if the fbi cannot deal with this fellow on boston with all they had, it seems to me we ought to let them clear up the problems with the current muslim population here and then let students come back in. >> while some of his fox colleagues disagreed with the suggestion of institutionalized discrimination, others applauded him. >> i find it funny that people
who are angry at you over cutting off student visas are usually less angry about terrorists cutting off people's heads. >> you have these moments of brilliance. i have to say that i absolutely agree with you, bob. should we be teaching them nuclear physics so they can return to their home countries? >> last night bill o'reilly and charl char -- >> you used the word muslim terrorism -- >> he's afraid to use the word muslim. it will stigma advertise a billion people on earth which is ridiculous. >> everyone on earth knows it's muslim terrorism, about you he won't at mitt it. they're already stigmaized. >> you don't have to convince me.
thank you all for being here. amon, i want to go to you first, the theories seem to have radicalized the boston bombers, we don't know, but there seem to be suggestions that alex jones and some of the notorious texts may have pushed at least tamerlan tsarnaev where he felt like the next step was jihadism. at the same time the reaction in the united states, it's almost like a snake eating its own tail. the more we are told we are at war with the muslim world, the more we sort of seek to make war on the muslim world. i wonder, as someone who is overseas and is stationed overse overseas, what you make of this back-and-forth. >> well, first i'm definitely not a psychology expert, so to say what role conspiracy theories play in fueling action i think is very difficult for a lot of people to answer. i think one of the more interesting issues is conspiracy
theories tend to fuel justification or rationalization in the minds of some of these people that are perpetuating attacks. i think there is sometimes a danger in links identity to motivation, which is what so much of the debade about what this is, identifying these individuals, and the syrup answer is we simply don't know yesterday. what we're learning is that some of these theories is there are many out there, and people use them at times to justify behavior by going and saying other people are thinking the same act, other people are thinking the same notion, and that part of the world i would say the middle east in german, because of a lack of freedom of speech and expression, has always been ripe for conspiracy theories. the regimes there for such a long time used the conspiracy theories to perpetuate their existence at the expense of the populations. >> in terms of the muslim world
in the middle east, the rejims, as you said, play a role in this. there's also this idea that there's a breakage between the american discourse and the discourse in the muslim world, specifically relating to america and its role, and the relationship between us and the muslim world. i wonder, how do you ameliorate that? that's obviously a huge question. the fact that the internet makes things readily available, whether that's terry jones and his ideas about burning the koran, or whether that's how to make a homemade bomb. it's hard to monitor this. >> here as one thing i would say. we should sigh away from yew "the muslim world." you're talking about dozens of countries, millions, many different political ideaologies. to simply say the muslim world i think is a gross oversimplificati oversimplification. there are muslim countries that are tremendously close allies to
the united states. not necessarily good examples of the faith. you have to division between the faith, the politics and ultimately the behavior of a few individuals. it's not trying to marginalize the problem in the way people interpret this, but we go -- it's so important when we talk about this, because people have been saying muslim terrorism. it's the interpretation of individuals as how they see their religion. as you mentioned, there are people in the united states, there are people in the jewish faith, in the christian faith, who interpret their religion in a way that justifies their behavior. whether it means you have the right to burn the koran, whether you have the right to blow yourself up, or whether you have the right to take somebody's home. all of these are examples of how people use their interpretation of a religion to carry out their own political acts. this is what i think is missing sometimes in trying to understand what is taking place in the boston investigation.
>> henna, having listened to what ayman just said, you've heard the ideas that maybe we should shut our borders to all members of the muslim faith and just examine the ones we have in the country. a terrible idea in my opinion. kathleen parker in "the washington post" writes the mere fat that the brothers were connected to islam were sufficient for holding ought muslims in suspicion, to some. religious affiliation, assemblage, we risk becoming our own worst enemy. >> that's exactly right. alex, such a lot of heat and such little light right now, such a rush to judgment this is hurts so many muslims that are part of our fabric of the
country throughout america. the reality is what scientific studies show is that there's no actual single profile of a terrorist, just like all human behavior, violent conduct can result from a variety of factors, such as personal circumstances, external environmental factors, and yes, ideology might play a role, but this idea that somehow the muslim faith equates to terrorism is completely wrong. there's a scientific study that people should really look at. it's done by a think tank out of the united kingdom called dimos. what it found was that people who actually committed violence had a simple shallow understanding of islam, while people who actually had beliefs that people associate with violence rejected violence against civilians, and really were people who we should all look to to be a part of our
pluralistic society, as they are. >> howard, there's a question of how you engage the muslim population in the united states at a time like this. there's a sense the sort of radical elements in our society, muslim and otherwise, come out with the conspiracy theories, those of reasoned mind, of sound mind and body tend to be marginalized, as hina says, a lot of heat, no the a lot of light. it's written -- and suggesting cat goishlly that muslims be placed under surveillance will alienate many immigrants who are assimilating quite well. these american iced muslims are our most crucial allies. >> well, i don't think anybody is seriously maybe outside of -- maybe on fox news, but nobody is seriously talking about surveying every muslim in america. nobody is talking about ending immigration, so that we can review muslims who are here. i think those are fringe ideas -- >> and peter king.
>> right. you will find some people on the fringes on either side will have a strong pin. that is not what's going to happen in this country. this is city built on immigration, a country built on immigration. immigration is crucial to the future of the city and the country. we're not going to all of a sudden start surveying every muslim. even if we wanted to, we wouldn't be able to. no one would have the resources. it will be against the law. it's not going to happen. on the other hand, i do think we need to keep in mind there may not be a single profile of a terrorist. timothy mcveigh obviously didn't look like or come from the same background as the people that blew up the world trade center, but in this city, anyway with the first world trade center explosion, then to the downing of the towers, subsequent plots, all of the terrorists, people who have tried to commit these acts have been muslim men. that does not mean we have a right or should survey every muslim man.
it's not possible, not appropriate, not legal, it's not constitutional, but we do also have to recognize there is a set of facts and a fact pattern, and we need to understand why that's happening. and we need to take steps to do something about it. >> how do you do that in that isn't in a way that you seem to be targeting people ofs muslim faith. there are these common threads, you're going to be looking for people who exhibit those signs. how do you do that in a meaningful way? >> i think there is a difference between someone who is a certainly religion or a certain ethnicity and somebody who then independent of that professes certain beliefs, decides that they are going to move down a path towards violence, that they are going to subscribe to radical jihadism, they're going to go on the internet and begin downloading information about building bombs. that's obviously a tiny percentage of the population, but obviously the percentage that we need to be most concerned about. >> maggie, i also think there's a political element here too,
right? part of this is about part of having stringent counter-terrorism measures in the wake of boston, showing you're strong on national security. i you this that o'reilly and krauthyper going after statistic -- we've seen this kind of this kind of version of a conspiracy theory relating to the president and his relationship to the muslim world is almost as old as his candidacy. and the question is, how do you try to separate the politics of this from the actual policy and what makes for good politics and what makes for good policy? >> with difficulty, and we won't know the answer to that for another couple months at a minimum. everything there play in 2014 much more immediately than the president's ultimate legacy. for people for whom the idea the president is a muslim is a pretty specific group of viewers of fox news, of various radio shows and so forth.
i think that that's not going to take on the same resonance that it used to, but i do think this will be very difficult for him to navigate. he got criticism initially without the word muslim for not calling it a terrorist incident. he did later on, but i think there's going to be this ongoing pushback, this was the first time this has happened in his presidency. there have been other plots, many of which were here, or at least one of which i can think of in times square, that was foiled. so i think that he is going to receive some blowback some of that is natural, whoever the president was. >> and you'll see that with the questioning of the fbi. >> those are real questions. it's not an unfair think to ask why the fbi didn't manage to catch this. >> and i think that's between a legitimate sort of investigation into why something happened versus using something for messaging, if you will, which seems to be happening with the folks on the right.
>> as someone who works in a municipal government, i'm curious, what did the boston authorities know about the fbi contacts with these guys. it would probably have been a useful thing for boston police to know that the fbi had interests in someone in their community. i don't know whether or not that information was quaid, but as somebody who works for new york city, i think i would like to know if the fbi thinks there's sufficient reason to interview somebody who's living in new york city. >> and if a foreign government is also red flagging someone. also when it comes to intelligence-gathering, the most local you can get, the more inside the community, the more efficient the intelligence gathering. coming up, the president's controversial program of targeting overseas finally gets time in the capitol hill spotlight, except nobody from the white house showed up. we'll discuss the game of drones, just ahead.
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yesterday afternoon during the first-ever senate hearing on drones, a rare moment of traenz patterns when a group of constitutional lawyers retired military officials, academics, and other experts took questions from lawmakers. the white house declined to provide a witness to testify at the hearing. among those who spoke was a young yemeni activist who
testified to the destructive nature of drones. >> just six days ago, my village was struck by a drone attack. what the violent militants previously failed to achieve, one drone strike accomplished in an instant. there is now intense anger against america. >> it also addressed the number of civilians inadvertently killed. like it or not, yesterday's hearing, a step forward was built on rand paul's famous old-timy 13-hour filibuster earlier this year protesting the president's use of drones. >> no american shook killed by a drone on american soil without first being charged with a crime.
>> but dmou it would appear that rand paul is droning on in a somewhat different direction. on monday he told fox he's okay with drone strikes on some american citizens. >> if someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, i don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him, but it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub or yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone and want to watch your activities. >> to clarify, senator paul insists that no american should be killed on u.s. soil without first being charged with a crime and found guilty in court, unless that american is someone who robs a liquor store. late last night he released a statement, though his spokeswoman said he's not, quote, retracting, it would appear that's what he's doing. my comments last night left the mistaken impression that my position on drones had been changed.
armed drones hoo not be used in normal crime situations. so rand paul, quote, does not care if drones kill someone who has committed the apparently extraordinary and unusual crime of robbing a liquor store, but armed drones should not be used in, quote, normal crime situation. no word yet on whether paul is rethinking his position regarding domestic surveillance of american hot tubs. perhaps ending on hot tubs is levity on what is a very serious issue. let's talk first about the hearings. it would seem to be not the most, shall we say, not a shot in the arm to the cause of transparency over the shadow program. >> that's right. we've seen repeated promises from the white house, and they haven't been really fulfilled. you know, yesterday's hearing
was remarkable, and kudos to democratic senator dib durbin and republican senator ted cruz, for having a voice from yemen to talk xw the human costs of the targeted killing program. when he testified, the kind of silence in the room changed. it was palpable. he's a young yemeni activist who through scholarships in the u.s. left his remote mountain village and received an education, learned english, spent time in america, such that he now sees himself as an ambassador of american values to his community in yemen. when his village was struck by a drone, what he talked about yesterday was really important, one of the things we haven't heard. not just the human consequences, but that the person who had been targeted actually could have been captured. so that really feeds into and calls into question yet again who are we targeting, how are we
doing it, and is it truth that capture is never feasible? it also requires increasing transparency about the legal memos that justify the killings of noncitizens. so today, the house judiciary committee is reading the olc memos relating to the killing of citizens. they'll decide in the next week or two whether they'll subpoena the remaining memos, which the white house really has resisted turning over. >> unsurprisingly peter bergen said that 2% of drone casualties could be described as al qaeda, quote, leaders. ayman, usually we have you in a little box and you're in cairo. you have told us on this program, said this on other programs, the collateral damage isn't just the civilians killed. it's also what is happening to opinions of america in those specific countries, as hina
says, perhaps somewhat boston has brought home the reality you cannot just conduct these wars and expect there to be -- there is no, quote magic bullet, no magic solution. the drones may be effective, may prevent us from having to put boots on the ground, but seem to also be undermining this american operation at large. >> the way i would always kind of -- the analogy i like to draw is think of the boston suspects or the bombers, think of, you know, potential attackers, they draw from a well of anti-american sentiment. what feeds that reservoir. if the united states and others want to try and certainly there are law enforcement tactics to curb or stop or prevent the terrorist attacks. other than the there is this reservoir they need to try to dry up. so what are the american foreign policy actions, the behaviors from other countries around the world that create that reservoir?
one of the biggest, as i've seen, one of the biggest contributors is the drone strikes, the drone strikes in afghanistan, pakistan and in yemen. i can give you a list of so many other things, but that is one of at least the top five issues of american foreign policy that feeds into that reservoir from which individuals, organizations, terrorists around the world can ultimately draw from and justify their behavior. even though it's wrong, that's what they are using, and that's what -- howard, from the strategy point of view here, to some degree i think the white house didn't think this was going to be an issue. given their lack of engagement even today, the comments we've heard from former administration officials regarding their ability to talk and be transparent. it just seems like for national security reasons at least they say they don't want to talk in details, but in terms of the political decision, it's a tough one, in so as far as there is not an appetite for going to
war. the world remains a dangerous place. the question is, what you do you do to some of these folks who may be mid level terrorists, do you arrest them and throw them in gitmo? what do you do? >> there were terrorist attacks in this country prior to the widespread use of drones overseas. while they maw by fermenting some anti-american sentiment, there was sufficient sentiment prior to their widespread use to compel a couple dozen people to fly airplanes into buildings here and bring them down. so point two, it is useful and worth while to engage in a cost/benefit analysis about the use of drones or any government policy. it's clear yesterday we saw about the drawbacks, a very articulate person fighting for democracy, saying this is increasing anti-american sentiment in my country. on the plus side, you aren't risking american lives on the ground. yes, in theory you may be able to capture someone, but once
americans start getting killed doing that, it becomes problematic. two, we may be actually killing people who are planning to kill us, and we are getting them first. so there is a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be undertaken, we should have that conversation, we live in a democracy, we should have in in a real transparent way, but let's be honest about both sides. >> but i don't think we've done that cost/benefit analysis. it's hard to do it when you don't know how many people are being killed, for example, to what degree is this radicalizing. we know what we this the pros are, but as far as the cons and the counterarguments, i don't think it's there. we did play all that rand paul sound, because here is someone that has said -- has been the sort of standardbearer for greaterer examination of the program, and in the next day, saying i don't really care if -- >> and taking that back later. look, i think to the point about the lack of transparency from the administration, it is impossible to do that.
the problem with this administration in regard to this and other issues, they have set a high bar for themselves, as we are such a transparent administration. that's obviously not what happened yesterday, but i do think to howard's point about it's not like there was not anti-american sentiment before, there is one school of thought that when it comes to terrorist acts there will always be someone who seize oz something, and you can't -- whether there was within the bounds of legality, that's a different question. >> and just to add something, one thing we will probably see in the coming years, other countries using drones against each other, and we will open a serious problem in terms of trans-national issues. with countries using drones and ultimately saying the u.s. used drones in these countries without any international norms or regulations for years, we have the same right in our own national self-defense interest to carry out these attacks.
god forbid one happens anywhere in north america. we will be discussion they issues for some time to come, mean all of you wonderful people will be called back to the table. nbc ace ayman mohyeldin thank you. and hinda, thank you. we will talk tech and the digit at revolution, when they join us next on "now." [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. at a hertz expressrent kiosk, you can rent a car without a reservation...
we are made in new york, a campaign that identifies -- and provides resources and benefits for start-ups. the dual hubbs are models for the future of this country. the tech sector is one that america has the potential to own. in the president's state of the union, he announced initiatives to turn regions into global centers of high-tech jobs. doing so requires a nation that is prepared for and anticipating the next digital revolution. >> tonight i'm announcing a any challenge, to redesign america's high schools so they better equip graduates for the demands of a high-tech economy, and we'll reward schools that develop new partnerships with colleges and employers, and create classes that focus on science, technology, engineering, and math. the skills today's employers are looking for to girl the jobs that are there right now and will be there in the future.
if that is the future, perhaps we could by ringing alarm bells regarding america's educational system. the u.s. ranks 17th in science, and 25th in math. joining some on set are two people good at both science and math, jared cohen, author of "the new digital age" and rachel haut, new york's first chief digital officer. welcome to the program. >> thank you so much. >> rachel, i'll go to you first on this. every time i hear about developing tech, getting is more digitally savvy and coding and programming, you get excited, and then the reality of where this country is in terms of math and science and engagement and learning about the issues comes crashing down, i feel bereft. how do we encourage american students to succeed in these fields at a time of, i would say, near crisis in the areas of math and science. >> this is why the mayor has
been behind the investment on roosevelt i'd to encourage. >> the cornell technyon, it's one of the leading schools in israel, and the highlight of we are made in new york. the idea is to get everyone excited about the fact there are over 1,000 home-based tech companies in new york city hiring for thousands of jobs, and that really responds, incites people to get excited. that's why the website highlights everything you need to learn, launch and find a job in tech. we've got everybody from etsy to kickstarter and tumblr. >> jared, i want to do some book sales here. you could write our understanding of nearly every aspect will change. many old institutions and
hierarchies will have to adapt or risk becoming obsolete. we've been talking a lot about the power of tech, actually in a negative way in the wake of boston, but it is just the truth, right? the truth is the future is digital. it's literally get on board or be left behind. >> we write about this extensively, there's no more country that's -- you add 5 billion new people connecting in the neu decade? that statement only becomes more true. things that entrepreneurs and -- have build, what's interesting is the technology helps them, but they're going to send create activity right back as they troubleshoot some of the toughest challenges. there's a wonderful partnership here around create activity and innovation. >> do you they that america -- we suggest that they can -- but it would seem because of the global nature of inoy investigation, it would be hard
for one country to be the lock u.s. of change and driving the bus, as it were. >> you don't want one country to be the driver of change. you want countries that lend themselves towards a more free and open internet to be at the forefront, but the internet -- i was in myanmar about a month ago, less that 1 percent of the burmese population has access to the internet, yes, sir every single person you talk to has heard of it. what you realize is they're experiencing the internet as a set of values and ideas years before they'll ever experience it as a tool or resource. the people who built the internet believed in the free flow. they're not talking about the chinese interpretation. this is actually having an impact. >> howard, you know, as the -- i want to focus on the politics of it a bit. the president is obviously very engaged on the issue of moving the economy forward and innovation is a key part of
that, whether that's around clean and renewable energy, whether around pioneering new digital projects. a lot of that gets lost when we talk about job creation, or it is given a backseat as the liberal idea of how to save the economy. how do you sort of take this space, this innovation space, make it nonpartisan, not ideological, and go ahead americans to buy into the idea that this in fact may be the future. the jobs may not be as numerous as old manufacturing, but they could be -- i mean, there are considerable numbers of people who could be employed in technologies of the future. >> well, to the president's credit, and i think to the credit of a lot of these industries in california and here in new york, i think there is a fairly broad bipartisan consensus this is an area of tremendous innovation of world leadership for this economy and we need to continue to invest. the president got some grief for some of the administration's investments in the green technology, but you don't hear anybody saying, well, we don't
want to support google, facebook or twitter. i think there's a broad understanding this would be the engine that creates jobs well into the 21st century and cities and nations would do well to encourage and invest in these new opportunities. i to to a group of college students and said where will you move after college? you can see what new york city is competing with san francisco, some people want to go there, some to new york, some to austin. it's imperative for cities to compete with one another and encourage this innovate i have been economy, and it's important for countries to do the same thing. we want people from around the world, immigrants from other countries, get educated here, stay here and create the jobs of the future. >> and we also want women to be engaged in these. rachel, this is soming we've talked about before, but these fields tend tore male-dominated. to have buy in on whole, you have to have gender equity. >> this is one of the reasons we
helight, for example, made in new york. we want diversity always in the tech sectors. one of the exciting things is new york city is probably the most diverse tech sector. the start-up genome report showed that we have more female founders in new york city than any other city in the world. digital is not just about the tech sector on its own. you wantly all of these various large sectors, many housed in new york city, will become digital. >> as jared said, it's the digital age. >> more than half of the world's population are women. they're coming online, that's more options, more choices, more independence, obviously there's challenges for when you have a smartphone, options are good. >> maggie is a highly wired digital proponent. >> i am, and we will end on that note. >> maggie is wrapping the segment. rachel, jared, thank you so much "the new digital age" is on sale
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if the news of the past week has felt like a more are horror film, news coming occupy mississippi about the ricin letters feels like a coen brothers movie, a strange tale of impersonators, organ harvesting conspiracies and internet fights over mensa certificates. police swept across washington, chasing reports of suspicious packages, letters containing the deadly poison ricin sent to the president and mississippi senator roger wicker. both letters were signed i am kc, and i approve this message. later that day, the fbi arrested a man named paul kevin curtis at his home in corinth, mississippi.
from the beginning, he wasn't a run of the mill suspect. he practices reflexology, runs a cleaning business, and is a professional celebrity impersonator specializing in elvis presley, one who performs under the stage name k.c. according to the mississippi paper "the clarion ledger" curtis has a three okay state of range and a seven-time world finalist in images of the king an impersonation contest in memphis. in fact k.c. is such a performer that senator roger wicker, recipient of one of the letters, hired him a decade ago to entertain at a party that he and his wife were hosting. of his performance, wicker said he was, quote, quite entertaining. after a week of investigation, the fbi said it could find no evident that k.c. was actually behind the plot. yesterday he was released from jail and charges were dropped. in a press conference that day, re reflected on his time in jail and insisted on his innocence. >> the last seven days, staring
at four gray walls like green green grass of home tune, not really knowing what's happening, not having a clue why i'm there, when you've been charged with something you just you've never heard of ricin or whatever. i thought they said ride, i said i don't even eat rice. >> tepid away the fbi did indeed have the wrong man, a man he thought he was accused of sending rice or something like rice to president obama. curtis also took time to answer a few questions. >> reporter: what are your immediate plans? >> find my dog moo-cow. she got loose when homeland security swarmed in on me when i checked my mail. i haven't heard anything -- i'm just really world about her. >> is there an elvis song that fits the occasion? >> "jailhouse rock." >> how did this person become
embroiled in a ricin saga? as it turns out k.c. is also an internet author specializing in illegal organ harvesting conspiracies, even written an unpublished novel about the subject entitled "missing pieces." each time k.c. has posted a new theory on the websh he's signed off with the same message found in the ricin letters, this is kevin curtis, and i approve this message. as it turns out, k.c. may have been framed. yesterday the fbi searched the home of mississippi martial arts instructor, former state congressional candidate accused child molesters and front man for the band dusty and the robbo-drum, everett dutschke. he reportedly feuded over pose false mensa certificates. he apparently threatened a
lawsuit against k.c. for his mensa claims, though he denies the dispute. it's hard to imagine how the story of an elvis impersonating organ harvest conspiracy theorist/reflexologist being framed for sending poison to the president by a controversial tae kwon do instructor could get any more ridiculous, but stay tuned. it just might. thank you to everyone that came on the show today. that's all for now. i'll see you tomorrow -- no, actually friday. "andrea mitchell reports" is coming up next. i'm bill karins. we have nice weather on both coasts, but the middle of the country with a bit of rain and a lot of cold. rain from ohio all the way down through kentucky, tennessee, maybe a late-day thunderstorm in
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