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this. and they did not intentionally or knowingly destroy evidence. >> what did they know? when did they know it? just some of what the fbi is looking into, trying to figure out about the three additional suspects arrested in connection with the boston marathon bombing. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping our agenda today, new details emerging on these three suspects who remain in custody this hour. all three are men. all three are 19 years old. all three friends of dzhokhar tsarnaev. two of them seen in this photo can dzhokhar at times square, both on student visas from kazakhst kazakhstan, both accused of removing items from dzhokhar's dorm room. >> he did not know those items were involved in a bombing or of any interest in a bombing or any evidential value. >> a third friend, an american from cambridge, accused of lying to investigators. according to federal court documents, at least one of the three talked to dzhokhar about
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the resemblance to a suspect within hours of his plea from the fbi. >> somebody out there knows these individuals as friends, neighbors, co-workers, or family members of the suspects. >> one of those friends raised their hands. would it have stopped the assassination-style killing of m.i.t. police officer sean collier or stopped the wild shootout in the streets of the boston suburbs of watertown? questions we may never know the answer to. joining me now at the start of this hour in boston is nbc national news correspondent michael isikoff. let's talk about the conversation between one of the new suspects and dzhokhar in the days after the bombing. i understand they have text messages about what went back and forth. >> right. that's the text messages where tsarnaev says "lol" to the idea that he looks like the photographs released by the fbi of the boston marathon bombers. you know, come to my apartment and take whatever you want.
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what really leaps out there is the timing. the fbi says those messages are between 8:43 and 8:48 on that thursday night. remember, this is the thursday -- that thursday afternoon at 5:00 p.m. the fbi releases those photographs. just an hour before tsarnaev actually gives one of these students a ride back to his apartment from his class. so 5:00 p.m., the fbi releases the photographs. 6:00 p.m., the first student says he sees the photos and recognizes the resemblance, texts tsarnaev. 8:43 to 8:48 are those text messages. then they go to the apartment. exactly when they went to the apartment is not clear. there's some inconsistencies. but it appears to be before -- by 10:00 p.m. now, that's a half hour before
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the murder of officer collier and the carjacking and then the wild shootout in watertown. so all of this -- these three alleged defendants here who concealed the evidence and lied to the fbi according to the complaint, did this after the fbi released the photographs and shortly before the murder of collier and the carjacking. so the question you raise, could they have stopped the crimes of that thursday night that led to the entire city of boston being on lockdown the next day is an entirely valid one. because they had the information before all that took place. they chose to go to the apartment, remove the evidence, the backpack and the laptop computer, rather than call the cops. i think this is why it's going to be so damning, particularly
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at sentencing phase, assuming there's a conviction in this, when it's presented to a jury. >> michael, what evidence has been recovered by investigators that they allege these young men removed? >> well, the complaint makes clear they recovered the backpack. we also reported last night that the laptop computer, which was also taken from the apartment, was also turned over to the fbi. if you think about it, it's that laptop that was the most important piece of evidence that the fbi wanted because that holds the clues to whether or not there were communications with others before the bombing took place. tsarnaev's laptop. the fbi has that now. >> national investigate correspondent for nbc, michael isikoff. i want to show you this developing news unfolding in new york city as we speak. the final piece of the spire topping 1 world trade center finally being hoisted up to the top. here's a live look.
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pictures at ground zero where workers wrapped an american flag along the base of the section. that's going to rise up with the spire. putting that final piece on top will raise the tower to a symbolic 776 feet. this was going to happen earlier, but weather conditions fwart e thwarted the efforts. president obama just departed for his trip to mexico for his first meeting with the mexican president. before heading out of town, the president nominated penny pritzker as his new commerce secretary. she played a huge role in president obama's presidential campaigns. so the blowback against republicans for failure of gun control in the senate is showing no signs of stalling. in the next hour, new hampshire senator kelly ayotte will hold another town hall. this coming two days after she was confronted at a similar one by the daughter of the principal murdered inside connecticut's sandy hook elementary. on the other side of the aisle,
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vice president joe biden will meet with law enforcement officials at the white house. joining me now is democratic congresswoman rosa deloro. it's great to have you here. as we look at the conversations that have been happening recently, we have senator pat toomey himself giving the explanation of why gun control failed in the senate. i just want to remind everybody. take a listen. >> i thought that he -- we had settled on a really common sense approach that ought to be able to achieve a consensus. i think in the end we didn't because our politics have become so polarized. there are people on my side who didn't want to be perceived to be helping something that the president wants to accomplish, simply because it's the president who wants to accomplish it. >> congresswoman, certainly
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people thought that this bill did have the muscle to go through, but this week we did see senator ayotte confronted by the woman from your state, the daughter of sandy hook's principal, erica lafferty, confronted the senator. what was your reaction to seeing this? >> you know, we all have come to the congress. we get elected by people, whether it is from a district or whether it is from a state. we are there not for our own ideology but rather to represent the people's interests. the fact of the matter is that this gun safety legislation is very common sense. it was just about a background check and strengthening the background checks. 90% of the nation said yes, that's something that we do want. and it seemed to me from the
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outset that we rarely get 90% approval on almost anything we deal with, either in the house or the senate. therefore, it seemed to me this should have been a no-brainer. people on both sides of the aisle should have voted yes because that's what the people of the united states want us to do. they want us to protect their children. >> you would think that with that type of percentage, 90% of americans supporting background checks, that our elected leaders would show the political courage needed to see that happen. i want to show the new quinnipiac poll showing the president is under water for his handling of gun control at the same time. the rnc is hitting the president with an ad showing him hugging a newtown mom. take a look at this. >> only 100 days into his second term, already facing a string of defeats in congress. >> do you still have the juice to get the rest of your agenda through this congress? >> when you put it that way,
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maybe i should just pack up and go home. >> all right. so could the president have done more on the gun control debate, do you think, to help congress get this job done? >> you know, look, i think there was a vote in the united states senate. the president traveled all over the country speaking about the need to pass this legislation. as a matter of fact, his wishes were that we would have moved to banning assault weapons and to banning the high capacity magazines. that was not to be accomplished by the senate. but we thought that there could be, and he thought, that there could be consensus and particularly since you see senator mansion and senator toomey coming together on an issue, on a bipartisan basis, and senator toomey said it. there are those who just do not want to see the president succeed. now, put that aside. this is not about barack obama's success. this is about this nation and
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legislation that can protect our children, that would have been potentially protected erica lafferty's mom and the other teach who are died and were murdered at sandy hook and those who are dying every day. we have an obligation. it is not an obligation to barack obama. it's an obligation to the people who elect us to do the right thing. it is not about our personal ideologies. it is about what we need to do in order to deal with such a difficult issue that this nation is facing. and i believe the senate had an obligation, a moral responsibility to pass that legislation so we could bring some solace to those families every day and the newtown families who are never going to be able to get their loved ones back but can say that those who represent me are doing what they need to do to help protect us and others. >> connecticut congresswoman rosa delauro, thanks for taking
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time out this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, how the president's trip to mexico will impact immigration reform. and ted cruz for president? can you believe that? and how decisions made in d.c. could mean big bucks for wall street. the agenda panel is going to weigh in on all that. plus, this , may day protess turning violent with grenades and pepper spray. not bad. this tree has deep roots, strong limbs... things are perched and not pinned. nicely done. the boys love it.
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all right. on the agenda today, president obama crosses the border to push immigration overhauling. jason collins tackles homophobia in sports, but will he make a slam dunk in the black community? and exploiting the information age and cashing in on wall street because of it. all this caught the attention of our panel covering progressive
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issues today. we welcome our panel in. gang, it is great to have you here. adam, i want to start with you and the jason collins piece you put up and what it means not only to the sports community but homophobia in general. when we have a figure like jason collins come out, sure he breaks barriers in the sports world, but it also exposes the black community might not be as homophobic as it's been painted. >> yeah, if you look at the numbers, there are still some polls that show that the african-american community in some cases is more opposed to same-sex marriage than other groups, but the trend is in the same direction as everywhere else, which is that the black community is becoming far more
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accepting of gay rights, just as the rest of the country is. >> when we look, though, at some of the stories that have come out of this and we see a former green bay packer, a guy named leroy butler, who congratulated collins on twitter, got some blowback. he was supposed to speak at a church and the pastor wanted to cancel the event. he said, why? basically because he congratulated collins on twitter and to check the morals clause to figure out why he wasn't invi invited. as we look at the way the sports world is reacting to this is one story, but the way religious communities react to this is certainly going to play out in a different way. >> that's right. and you know, it's certainly very encouraging to learn that the black community is not as homophobic as it's portrayed. however, polls still show that it does appearing to be somewhat more homophobic. that's worth remembering as
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well. >> i think you wrote about this, adam, in your piece about the dual consciousness of this. it's also about the double consequences that someone, a figure like jason collins, faces from the sports world and also from the african-american community. >> well, look, if you look at the poll that ugov did on the reaction to jason collins coming out, you know, black respondents in that poll were actually more likely to support collins' decision to come out than any other group. >> well, so let's hope that the momentum stays going in the positive direction for jason collins. you know, he has gotten some death threats via twitter. one thing i want to tell everybody, we're going to have judy and dennis shepard on later in the program. they're the parents of matthew shepard. jason collins shared he wears the number 98 in honor of matthew shepard, who was killed in 1998. i want to talk about the
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president embarking on his trip to mexico city. let's talk about why he feels the need to cross the border to push immigration reform in this country. the one big thing here we've been watching is the fact that the lgbt community has been put to the forefront on this because the face of immigration reform, marco rubio, has said if there are provisions that are carved out for the lgbt community, as progressives would like to see, it's going to tank what the gang of eight has done. >> yes, i hope that that's actually not the case because we elected officials to represent us and united we dream is committed to seeing an immigration reform bill that's really inclusive of all 11 million immigrants who would qualify for that. there are about 267,000 couples who would benefit from the united american families act. i think it's a cop out. i think it's too easy to say take it all or leave it.
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he was actually out speaking yesterday saying that it's not a take it or leave it approach, and this is why it's now a -- he's giving america a chance to react to the 866 pages that the gang of eight put forward. >> i know your group has teamed up with organizations like g.l.a.d. to kick back any type of misrepresentation that the lgbt community -- that's really kind of a ruse to push this out in front of them to send down any type of immigration reform bill. explain why the president going to mexico is so important. >> i think it's important to keep the lines of communication open and to understand what's happening on the other side, how people here are feeling, and to continue to build momentum for immigration reform and to speak to various parties about what it would mean to pass a comprehensive bill through committee and through the floor and for the president to sign it. >> so timothy, i want to switch gears here and get you on the record about this. the title of a "washington post"
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article talking about the s.e.c. subpoenaing firms and individuals in cases of leaked information. talk about what we're witnessing here. why the s.e.c. is investigating a chicago brokerage. >> there is a new industry that's been created in washington, one i actually hadn't heard of until a year ago. the political intelligence industry. you know, lobbyists are paid usually to try and influence what the government does. increasingly, they have a sideline in selling information to traders, to wall street traders. and that is problematic. senator charles grassley trying to put a spotlight on this. you know, we used to call this journalism. the political intelligence world has an advantage that journalists don't have in getting information. and that is that they can make campaign contributions. that makes all the difference. >> well, when we talk about this, adam, it's really -- it's like a millisecond of timing. the funny thing is, though, that this article reminded me of
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trading places 1983, a movie a lot of us grew up on. the fact the duke brothers were trying to get the orange crop report just a little bit in advance. jen, you know this. you're laughing at me. but valentine thwarted their plan. this is big stuff when we're talking about this kind of money and the millisecond advantage that can be given to these traders. >> if you recall correctly, they stuck it to the duke brothers, but they were inside trading too. i think there's almost a hopelessness that this sort of bad behavior can be curtailed. i think that really, you know, can prevent effective legislation from being passed. >> it's true. they did one up the duke brothers, but they were supposed to be the heroes of the movie. they did go a little corrupt on us. they ended up in the end drinking champagne. anyway, thanks so much, guys.
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so we kick off this half hour with the latest on the boston bombing investigation. we have new pictures of one of the new suspects arrested in connection with that case. take a look. this is azamat tazhayakov. >> maybe it's part of immigration, overall immigration we form. we should look at the process of who's allowed into this country under what circumstances. what is their situation and background, particularly from
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countries that have histories such as chechnya and others where there's been significant influence of radical islamic extremism. >> meanwhile, today is marking another milestone in the push for full marriage equality in america. just a few hours from now, rhode island is expected to join nine other states and the district of colombia in legalizing gay marriage. writing in the "new york times," he says an historic realignment is happening all around us as americans from all walks of life realize that this is the right thing to do. rhode island governor joins me right now. sir, it's good to have you here. you were elected, i want to remind everybody, as an independent governor, but you're formerly a republican governor for the state. explain where you were on this issue and why you feel so passionately about seeing rhode island have marriage equality in
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the first place. >> well, i always was what they used call rockefeller republicans that was conservative on the financial issues, very weary of deficits and the like, but very liberal on the social issues. that was the whole genre across the country. now i'm an independent, but the values are the same. >> is this the reason why you left the republican party, one of the reasons? >> oh, absolutely, yes. getting away from those core values of fiscal conservatism. the bush and cheney administration brought back the deficits. it was a reversal of the old-style republican.
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>> let's talk more about that rockefeller republicanism. there's been an effort to get more conservative legislators in rhode island and other states on board with marriage equality. you used a conservative financial argument. explain to all of us what was that argument and how did it enhance your side of the debate? >> well, there have been studies that show a correlation between economic prosperity. i believe those studies, whether it's cambridge or austin texas. communities that have a lot of tolerance are going to prosper economically. it's young,al atalented peoplet like that kind of atmosphere. there is a correlation, i believe that. i want rhode island to be one of those hip, happening places. tolerance is a big part of it. >> so the signing is later today, correct? >> yes. the last vote will be taken by the house late afternoon. then i want to sign it as soon as they finish that vote.
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>> rhode island governor lincoln chafee, thanks for making time for me today. i appreciate it. >> thank you, thomas. it's very historic for rhode island. i'm very happy about what's happening today. >> congratulations. first there was the number 42. now there is the number 98. two historic numbers from the world of professional sports that are forever united. the first is worn by the brooklyn dodger jackie robinson. he shattered baseball's color barrier. the second worn by jason collins of the washington wizards and boston celtics who made history as the first active male nba athlete to come out as gay in this country's 142 years of pro sports. since then, sales of jerseys bearing collins' name and number are up 100%. collins says the number 98 is a tribute to matthew shepard, the gay college student who was murdered in an infamous hate crime in 1998.
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joining me now are matthew's parents, dennis and judy. it's nice to see both of you today. dennis, i want to start with you. how did you feel when it was learned and revealed that jason collins said why he wears the number 98 and that your son is now forever linked to american sports history? >> it is rather shocking. we didn't have any concept that someone would come out to start with this quickly in the nba let alone that he would wear a jersey commemorating what happened to matt in 1998. it's rather stunning to both of us. >> one thing we recognize this week, the president had called jason collins to commend him for coming out. also brought him up in his press conference saying he's proud judy, the president also made a comment about your son matthew. i want to remind everybody.
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>> it's a testament to matthew and others who have been victims of attacks. not just meant to break bones but to break spirits. not just meant to inflict harm but to instill fear. together we will have moved closer to that day to when no one has to be afraid to be gay in america. [ applause ] >> moving closer to that day when no one has to be afraid to be gay in america. i know, judy, you've described how immensely moved you were by this gesture from jason collins. now that you've had time to process the emotions, how do you feel about the overwhelming support jason has received? does it validate the work that you all have done since matthew's death? >> well, i think it's a great validation of the work that so many people have done. we just try to keep matt's story relevant and in the news so people understand that this hate is still out there. we may feel very comfortable in our own little bubble, but unfortunately, there are areas where that hate still exists. having jason come out and having the bravery and courage and the
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grace in which he's done it, it's quite incredible. we're very honored. >> dennis, as judy points out, there's still a sad side of this story. you know, collins' decision, while wide he received receptively and with positive attention, there's still been some intolerance pushed at him through social media and some pretty nasty stuff. we know spike lee has taken to his twitter feed to combat some of it. as someone who suffered the loss of their own child through such hatred, where do we go now? where do we build on this momentum to help shatter and break down these barriers? >> well, you just keep encouraging other athletes to come out as well as other gay americans throughout the country. the more that people talk about it, the more normal it becomes. pretty soon, you're not considering this to be a first. it's just who you are. you can focus on what you really need to focus on, which is your family and your career and your personal life. >> judy, it's been 15 years
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since matthew died. what do you think he would make of all of this? how do you think he would react to this? >> you know, we had a discussion in the summer of '98. he asked me if i thought gay marriage would ever be allowed. i said, matt, i think in my lifetime, i will not see it. but you will see it in yours. ironically, it was just the opposite. i think he would be over the moon with all the progress we've made. as long as people keep telling their stories, we're going to go further. >> judy and dennis shepard, thank you for coming on our show today. thank you so much for the work you guys are doing through the foundation. you guys are saving lives. >> thanks, thomas. we really appreciate that. i want to show you once again these live pictures. more about the wildfires in southern california. this is a second wildfire that's now burning near camarillo springs. the fire is at ten acres. it's growing because of the winds. more than 200 firefighters are on that's scene or en route.
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just a click away on in phoenix, arizona, accused murderer jodi arias is one step closer to learning her fate in the 2008 murder of her ex-boyfriend. moments from now closing arguments will begin in this high-profile case, which for four straight months unfolded like a lifetime movie. but the sexually explicit revelations, sheering consistencies in arias' testimony and a laundry list of
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courtroom drama were all too real. nbc's diana alvear is outside the courtroom. what can we expect today? >> reporter: hi, thomas. well, they're going to start with jury instructions then they're going to head straight into closing arguments. you'll be listening for two separate kinds of arguments. prosecutors want to nail down once and for all that jodi arias committed cold-blooded premeditated murder. that she knew what she was doing when she killed travis alexander. for example, she dyed her hair a couple days before she last saw him, that she bought gas cans and filled them up so she wouldn't have to stop at a gas station. the defense wants to get the death penalty off the table. they want to do that by trying to get the jurors to see jodi arias as a person, as a battered woman, a person who has ptsd. i can tell you there's been a lot of passion on the outside of the courthouse here. people finding out they're using a lottery system to allot those
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last remaining seats inside the court. many people not happy about that. some coming here from as far as canada to hear the end of the case. as far as when the jury will get the case, we're hearing at the earlest tomorrow afternoon. that's if things stick to the schedule, which we know haven't happened often in this case so far. thomas? >> diana alvear for us in arizona. i want to bring in jamie floyd. you've worked as a trial attorney. you've been following this closely. what do you make of the comings and goings expected for the closing arguments and the onus that lies on both sides? >> it's been an exhausting case. it's been a marathon of a case. to hold the attention of the jurors on both sides will be a key. usually prosecutors have a presumption of innocence. >> hopefully they'll hold the jury so none of them get evicted anymore. >> that's right. keep them in at all. but usually the presumption of innocence is with the defendant and prosecutors have the burden of proof. here we have self-defense, which
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essentially shifts the burden to the defendant. i agree with diana that really here it's a life and death issue. if they can save her life and get the death penalty off the table, that's a win for the defense. >> who has done a better job? the expert witnesses in this case, they've become mini celebrities of their own out of this. but how critical has their testimony been, and who's done a better job of presenting? >> it really has been a battle of the experts. i have to say, i think the prosecution's experts have been more solid. the defense experts had to work with the facts they were dealt. you had a defendant who told several stories before we even walked into the courtroom on the first day. it really will be a question of whether they can save her life in the end. >> this has been an investment for months now for this jury. do you expect a hung jury because of the testimony that's gone by? >> it's possible, but usually when a jury sits on a case this long, they want to come to a result. a hung jury for people who have invested this much time, this much emotional energy, this much
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of their psychology, that feels terribly unfinished. i think we'll get a result in this case. >> and if it comes back with a quick decision? >> that usually is good for the defense. but when you have the death penalty on the table, not so much. >> jamie floyd, great to see you. thanks so much. appreciate your time today. a lot going on. we're going to continue to follow it. today's producer's pick. once again, team decision on this one. archaeologists and anthropologists say they have new physical evidence that 400 years ago sellers at jamestown, massachusetts, did resort to cannibalism to survive during that winner. the skull of a young girl they're calling jane. you can read all about the details on my facebook page. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health
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want to go back to the breaking news we were telling you about just a short time ago. look at the difference a few minutes makes with the winds there in southern california, how close the fire is.there. this is in camarillo springs, california where 200 firefighters have been en route to this section to try to get control of that blaze. the last time we checked in, the flames were higher on the hill. they've scooted down. again, right there on the side of the 101 for traffic there. we'll keep an eye on that the second wildfire that's burning in southern california. another thing, a live picture we're keeping our eye on here in new york city, is the spire that's being raised atop one world trade center. we've been watching this throughout the hour as well. the beacon is going to be the final piece put in place to give the building the iconic height of 1776 feet. again, this will be the tallest building in the western hemisphere. in the tallest building, excuse
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me, the tallest building in the western helms sphere is in chicago. the tallest building in the world is in dubai. the stainless steel beacon combined up there weighs six tons, it's amazing. so blockbuster experiment could put the brakes on obama care, the hot topic issue. joining me is ezra klein and steven clemens from "the atlantic." ezra, let me start with you, why is this so hot and permeating on different websites today. >> the oregon health care experiment is an amazing moment in health care research. what happened in oregon, they had to cut their medicare program dramatically. it turns out they cut it too
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far, they had money for 10,000 more people than they thought. 90,000 people applied and were qualified. we did a lottery to see who got 910,000 slots, it gave us a perfect comparison, a random comparison between the people who got into the medicaid program and those who got left out that gave us the ability to isolate what medicare does, the results from the first two years, we saw that medicare had a huge effect on cutting depression, it eliminated catastrophic health care costs, it got people access to a lot more preventive care. on a limited number of health indicators, blood pressure, cholesterol and blood sugars, we didn't see any actual observal impact. how much of obama care is leading to better health. >> when we look to how it contributes to the national conversation on affordable health care act, how will it be turned to effectiveness for implementing the law?
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>> when you have empirical studies it's important to dig into them. it's emotional, i got a tweet from berkeley economist, brad delong, who in response to my mentioning we're going to discuss this, said isn't that just silly and wrong to discuss this. because the notion that you would have health coverage covering some people and not others and there not be a discernible physical outcome difference is controversial. but the other side when you step back, yesterday the president of the aarp made a comment and said we're spending a lot of money on health care in this country, but not getting the outcomes we'd expect. people have written about the overtreated american. i think it's important to ask are we doing the kinds of things for people under care that is changing their physical outcomes because they deserve that for the money being provided, whether it's their own or whether the state's. i think you're going to see it drive a new partisan wedge unfortunately on in the health care debate. >> let's talk about the partisan
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wedge, ezra. during the president's press conference, he gave full credit to the fact there are going to be glitch and things that pop up in trying to implement this broad new law zl. >> there will be. medicare part d, the prescription drug benefit that goes into effect in 2006. speaker john boehner, he was not then speaker, he goes on fox news sunday, they say how is implementation going. he said it is going horribly, horrible was his exact word. george w. bush, his big domestic accomplishment. he didn't mention it in the career's state of the union. but we got implementation was worked out, and it's thought to be a success. democrats never talk about revealing it and they talk about expanding it. and republicans say it's the model of what they want to do for the rest of medicare. one thing republicans are doing differently is instead of helping to implement a law they
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don't agree with and because it is a law and we need to implement the law, with holding funding, refusing to help in the states. threatening to throw sand in the gears. the plan is if you can make the law work badly there will be leverage to repeal or change it i think it will be a shame, what we have is a law that democrats can't well implement as well as it should be implemented, and republicans can't appeal, we end with the worst of both woelds, we don't need to do that. gentlemen, thanks for your time, i appreciate it. thank you for your time. that will wrap things up for me. i'll see you back at tomorrow, 11:00 a.m., "now" with alex wagner comes your way next. hungry for the best? it's eb. want to give your family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. want to give them more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? it's eb. eggland's best eggs. eb's.
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from the red line to the borderline, president obama's week has been chock full of foreign policy. in the last hour, the president boarded air force one and is now en route to mexico city. where he will meet with newly minted mexican president, enrique peniento. >> my top priority as president is to grow the economy, first i'm going to visit mexico, one of our largest economic partners. then i'll be visiting costa rica. and in both instances i'm going to be working to deepen our economic and trade relationships across latin america. relationships that create jobs and growth here at home. and offer our businesses growing markets where they can sell more american-made goods and services abro abroad. >> although this will be president obama's fourth trip to mexico since 2009, the mexican
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president has only been in office for five months and he's making it clear that he would like to press reset on the u.s./mexico relationship. shifting photo cuss away from the intimate role the u.s. has played in mexico's drug war, a battle that's killed 70,000 people since 2007 and moving it towards the economic health of the two countries. president obama made it clear this the least publicly, the narco wars will be taking a back seat to trade. >> a lot of the focus is going to be on economics, we've spent so much time on security issues that between the united states and mexico, that sometimes i think we forget this is a massive trading partner responsible for huge amounts of commerce and huge numbers of jobs on both sides of the border. >> when it comes to the question of commerce, there is a lot at stake. mexico is the united states' third largest trading partner. in 20,