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progress? i like to think somewhere in the fiscal year 2013 budget, deep far from the sequester is one line item for penmanship lessons for secretary of the treasury. hoping they're paying a catholic school nun somewhere to get him into shape. watching a grown man, an accomplished grown man have to learn a skill they teach in third grade, that's the best new thing in the world. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." have a great night. it was a weekend of lies and paranoia in houston at the nra convention, lies about the president, lies about the second amendment, and lies about boston. >> 70,000 turn out for the nra's annual meeting in texas this weekend. >> the freedom of all mankind, make no mistake, is at stake. >> glenn beck believes our very souls are at stake. >> usually write things about 20
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minutes on the back of a napkin before i speak. >> the motto was stand and fight. >> the theme of the convention, stand and fight. >> words like battle, war. >> us against them. >> and stand and fight. >> we must remain vigilant. >> fear mongers. >> they don't get it because they don't get america. >> a cultural war the nra would like to wage. >> nothing new with the nra. >> absolutely nothing. >> doubling down on out of touch rhetoric. >> the nra needs to make president obama into a villain. >> president obama is awal. >> we need five more votes. we can do this. >> i think there will be an electoral price to be paid. >> the news media called me paranoid. >> paranoid fantasies. >> the epicenter of paranoid patriotism. >> really, he is frightened the losing what power he has. >> all the piers morgan, lawrence o'donnells, rachel
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maddows, pound that message over and over again, over and over again, over and over again. tonight, some members of the united states senate regret the decision to follow orders of the nra and vote against expanded background checks. 46 voted against it, enough to stop it because 60 votes were needed to pass the bill according to senate procedure. according to senate majority leader harry reid, some senators may want another chance at the vote. >> joe manchin called me yesterday, thinks he has a couple more votes. one senator, republican senator from new hampshire has been hit hard. only senator in the northeast to vote against background checks. >> harry reid is talking about republican senator kelly ayotte. her job approval rating dropped a net 15 points after voting
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against expanded background checks. a source close to the senate negotiations tells sam stein from huffington post two senators voted against the background check bill would vote for it after minor superficial changes. >> i may be able to get another democrat or two that would get us up to 57. we only need three additional republicans. so we'll see. >> today white house press secretary jay carney said this. >> we remain optimistic, the president does, that when it comes to background checks this will happen. >> the national rifle association as you know held its annual meeting in houston this weekend. here is the newly elected nra president, james porter. >> revenge is what is motivating the president's unrelenting attacks on gun owners today. just look at his reaction to his
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defeat in the u.s. senate with his step at a time gun owner registration under the guise of universal background checks. he's now threatening democratic senators who are friends of nra. he will destroy them, if he can. >> and here is the nra's executive vice president, wayne la pierre. >> the senate vote two weeks ago is a skirmish in what can be defined as a long war against our constitutional rights. we will never surrender our guns, never. and to the political and media elite who score us, we say let them be damned. [ cheers and applause ] >> after that speech, this open letter to wayne la pierre was in
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the huffington post by a gun shop owner, senior firearms instructor, nra life member. it begins dear wayne. sorry i couldn't make it to the annual meeting. i am a life member, try to get there every year but this year is different. if i showed up, you would try to get me to help fight a culture war. if there is a war going on, you represent the wrong side. joining me for an exclusive interview, the author of that letter, mike weisser. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me on. >> what pushed you to this point to break with the nra like this. you're a life member, a gun seller yourself. what got you to this point? >> what got me to this point is the fact it seems increasingly nra leadership is taking an extreme position on issues that we really all should come around
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and get together on. i mean, i don't think the issue of background checks really has anything to do with whether or not people are in favor or opposed to the second amendment. i know a lot of people that aren't gun owners. i know many gun owners. all of us recognize that a background check is a very important tool for keeping guns out of the wrong hands. well, the fact that you have a tool like that doesn't say that you're opposed to the second amendment or to the rights of gun owners to own their guns. there's no connection between those two things. >> mike, i want to read something that you wrote in your letter to wayne lapierre. you said there's something i am moral with the connection between deaths of children and explosion in gun sales you claim show how much we love our freedom. i would rather have those kids alive, even if it costs me more than a few bucks in gun sales. do you think you speak for some other gun sellers when you say that?
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>> well, i hope so because the fact of the matter is that we all have to face the reality of selling a product, which if it gets in the wrong hands can do a tremendous amount of damage. one of the reasons i wrote that letter is because i wanted people on my side, the gun owners and sellers to help me come together and to discuss these issues, not in terms of the extreme, not in terms of a culture war, but simply let's find a reasonable solution to keep guns where they belong, that is to say safely stored, safely used. gun owners understand that. gun owners are usually very responsible. they understand that they have a wonderful legacy, they have wonderful products, and also understand if they're misused they can be very dangerous. so if you're going to end gun violence, seems to me you have to start with the people that understand both the value of guns as well as their danger, if they're misused, and that's
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myself and people like me. >> mike, in your letter to wayne lapierre, you talk about gun murders at sandy hook elementary and other gun killings of other children, and wayne lapierre says we shouldn't be using tragedies like that. let's listen to what he said about that. >> they used tragedy to try to blame us, to shame us into compromising our freedom for their political agenda. they want to change america, change our culture. they want to change our values. >> mike weisser, he's talking about you, talking about people using tragedy to try to make points in this discussion. >> i don't think i have to defend my values when it is a question of human life. i don't think that there's any connection between whether or not we vener ate and do everything to protect human life and political issues that are
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made in a totally different context. i'm happy to sit down with wayne lapierre or anybody and talk about what we're going to do in a reasonable and proper way to keep people from getting killed. you know, i joined an organization called evolve because they were the first organization it seemed to me that was really willing to say we don't need to sit here and argue and yell back and forth, we need to come together and we need to find a reasonable solution to these problems. >> mike weisser, stay with us. we will be joined by ana marie cox, and nra expert frank smyth. ana marie, you were watching most if not all of the nra proceedings this weekend. tell us what struck you most about what you were watching. >> i think if there was one headline to come out of it for me, this is not necessarily the most important thing that happened but the most astonishing thing, at the end of
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glenn beck's speech when he said he would be willing to fight for gun rights alongside blacks, whites, native americans, hispanics, and people from off the planet. i'm speechless. at least he's consistent in his craziness. i mean, the whole thing was kind of unhinged, but mr. weisser is in good company. my dad was a lifetime member of the nra, a marksman most of his life, owns multiple guns, he resigned his membership recently as well. i don't think they'll be alone. the average nra member sees what's going on in houston and rhetoric is getting further away from what a normal person wants out of gun ownership, which is to be a responsible gun owner. they don't look responsible any more. i look forward to another organization coming forward and also having some sanity from people that know what they're talking about, but want to reach agreement. >> frank smyth, there's a new
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president of the nra. we just saw a clip of him. among the lies he told, he casually referred to the president of the united states as a fake president. what does he mean by that and what else should we know about this new president of the nra? >> the new president of the national rifle association, lawrence, is a man named james porter, attorney from alabama. he is somebody whose father was a president of the nra back in 1959 and '60. that was a time when the national rifle association in fact support gun control. so mr. porter's challenge within the nra is to live up to his father's legacy and at the same time communicate to nra loyalists that he has made the transition as someone who now is staunchly opposed to gun control. you saw it coming from mr. porter in a speech a year ago in new york state and saw it again this weekend in the speech he gave in houston. and he's also attempting it seems to broaden the message of the nra, to broaden it beyond
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guns and make it a, quote, culture war, which i think is part of a strategy, something the nra does often when it feels like the gun issue may not be saleable, try to broaden the message. this time there may be too much focus on them and they may face troubles. >> you mention in your letter to wayne lapierre that gun sales are what his mission is all about, and you say in 2011 ruger stock was trading at $21 a share. now it is at 51. smith and wesson was 3 bucks a share, today it is almost $9 a share. what happened in that period of time to push this share price of these gun makers up like that? >> well, those prices really started going up not so much in 2011 but really once the president was reelected. once president obama was reelected, and the nra of course spent four years reminding
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membership if obama got reelected in a second term, he would do everything he could to take their guns away. once that happened, then of course you had the natural reaction of people who have been listening to this rhetoric for four years and see he's reelected, and they say okay, we've got to make sure we can get our hands on every gun we can because otherwise we're not going to have them around. you put that together with a tragedy like newtown in which then all of a sudden the rhetoric changes, the president comes out and starts hammering at the issue of gun control, and one thing will lead to the other. >> mike weisser, ana marie cox and frank smyth, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. coming up in tonight's "rewrite," the lies wayne lapierre told this weekend about boston and the people of boston. and the breaking news story unfolding out of cleveland
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locked and not to open the door for anyone other than a properly identified law enforcement officer. >> that was the governor asking people to stay in their homes, asking them to. then after he did that, the boston police commissioner stepped up to the very same microphone and said this. >> mayor menino asked me to come here and tell that you the shelter in place recommendation has been extended throughout the city of boston. >> recommendation. it was a recommendation. it was not an order. but this is the lie that the nra will tell forever, that people were ordered to stay in their homes. in fact, in wide stretches of
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boston, the recommendation wasn't followed, because they considered themselves farther from watertown where they understood the action to be to not be threatened. downtown boston, people were walking, driving, doing all sorts of things in far less numbers, but no one, going to repeat this, no one was ordered to stay in their homes, but that lie, that lie will live. ron paul will continue to tell that lie, the nra will continue to tell that lie because they thrive on the notion there's looming some police state that is coming to control them, so much so that they have to be ready with their second amendment rights to revolt and fight against that police state. we will have more about the lies told about the lies told by wayne lapierre later coming up
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if the president of the united states said there was clear red lines, those red lines to the view of most have been crossed, and he has failed to act. >> john mccain wants us to have another war because he imagines that the syrian government has crossed an imaginary line that he imagines is red. president obama was the first to imagine a red line in syria. >> a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. >> okay. now listen carefully to the
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words that follow and see if you can tell us exactly what president obama planned to do if the imaginary red line was crossed. >> we have communicated in no uncertain terms with every player in the region that that's a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons, that would change my calculations significantly. >> did you hear what i heard? what i heard was nothing. the president didn't say what would happen if the red line got crossed. he said there would be, quote, enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front. but what does that mean? of course there would be enormous consequences for the people being attacked with chemical weapons, but
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politicians are supposed to be masters of vague language and that was language that was masterfully and diplomatically vague and allows jay carney to fairly interpret the president's comments this way. >> what the president made clear is that it was a red line and that it was unacceptable and that it would change his calculus as he viewed the situation in syria because the use of chemical weapons represents the kind of escalation and threat that i just described. what he never did, and it is simplistic to do so, to say that if x happens, y will happen. he has never said what reaction he would take at a policy level to the proved crossing of the red line in syria, simply that he would consider it a red line that had been crossed and that he would take appropriate action. >> that's right. the president was wise enough to
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never say if x happens, y will happen, but john mccain imagines that the president said that. one of the most nonsensical arguments being advanced now for america going to war, once again, is that if the imaginary red line is crossed and we don't do something after saying we would do something, then american foreign policy credibility would be harmed, to which every sane person in the united states and around the world is saying what credibility? >> from the standpoint iraqi people, my belief is we will be greeted as libber ators. >> and ballistic missiles threaten the peace and security of many nations. >> we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
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>> richard wolff, there's our credibility. the previous administration did everything it possibly could to eliminate any notion of worldwide credibility for american foreign policy predictions or pronouncements. >> lawrence, i think you're being unfair. they did say there were red lines over iraq, and saddam hussein, being saddam hussein, crossed them. you can't doubt their sincerity of desire to go to war. the weapons of mass destruction were overstated. they did in fact invade iraq. >> yeah, they were incapable of changing course in their predetermined desires of what to do, no matter what kind of information came their way, there wasn't any kind of intelligence that could derail them from where they were going in iraq. >> which is why exactly john mccain is saying we need to do it all over again. the outcome wasn't exactly what they planned. maybe the do over is the right thing. in all seriousness, what the
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president said was that his calculation would change. right now, the calculator in the president's brain is turning over in some random fashion. i tell you what has changed. what has changed the last couple days, israel has attacked targets inside syria without apparently losing any planes to syrian air defense. that is part of the calculation. one of the things the president learned from the disaster that was iraq, the disaster that john mccain supported, was that you should not go into this kind of scenario and face full blown war. so if the syrian air defenses are not what they used to be, maybe the calculation has changed and that's not because of rhetoric or whatever john mccain says to fox news, it is because of reality that the israelis have shown today. >> well, the other calculation that would have to change is the president's calculation that we have interests within syria that are worth fighting for at this point in some form and he has
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not reached that particular conclusion yet. >> he hasn't. but remember there were lots of people that said at the time of the libyan situation and not talking benghazi, talking about the revolution, that in fact his policy was doomed to failure. unless there were boots on the ground or massive american air power, it was all due to fail. people could say then what was america's interest in there. in fact, by using that awful phrase, leading from behind, america did change the calculation along with french and british forces as well, and the situation in libya was far less costly both to libyans, also to allied forces in terms of blood and treasure and the outcome was far better. >> richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, the latest on mark sanford and his race against elizabeth colbert busch. they will be counting the votes this time tomorrow night. u. it's where she said her first word.
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first i would like to thank jenny and the boys, couldn't do this without their support. as jenny would say to house and senate members tonight, if you think getting along with mark sanford on spending is tough, try being married to him. jenny, i would just say thank you for all that you put up with and all that you do. would you stand and be recognized? [ applause ] >> all she put up with.
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that was mark sanford back in happy days as governor of south carolina before he started wandering down to argentina. tomorrow, south carolina voters will decide whether to send him or elizabeth colbert busch to congress. in a new public policy poll, mark sanford is at 47%, elizabeth colbert busch is 46%. two weeks ago, colbert busch led by nine points, 50-41 after he faced trespassing allegations by his ex-wife, jenny. he will be in court, mark sanford will, on those charges thursday, just two days after the election. tonight, usa today reports cameras will be allowed in court. there will, of course, be many more cameras in court thursday if mark sanford wins tomorrow night. joining me for his first national interview since getting the big job, jamie harrison, newly elected chairman of the south carolina democratic party,
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and krystal ball. mr. chairman, how does it look? >> looks good right now. we really believe that elizabeth will pull this victory out tomorrow. i tell you, it will be huge, historic. it is almost the equivalent of saying some super democratic giant losing to a republican. but we're going to do that here in south carolina. >> krystal ball, on the poll on the race, it is 47% say they think colbert busch is too liberal, 43% say the position is just right, 38% say mark sanford is too conservative, 48% say his positions are about right. what's your bet on what is going to control, the positions of the candidates or strange history of mark sanford? >> i think the real place to
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look is who ends up showing up in this election. what you've seen as you highlighted, there was a huge shift in the ppp poll from elizabeth colbert busch being up by nine to now losing by one, essentially a tight race. the biggest shift there was not in the change in attitudes, although there was some momentum that way towards sanford as well. the biggest shift was the electorate that was planning on turnout. this is a district mitt romney won by eight points. it is a miracle elizabeth colbert busch made this a close race and has a shot at winning it tomorrow. so it is notoriously hard to figure out who is going to show up in elections, even harder to figure out who is going to show up in a special election. that's what it is going to come down to tomorrow. >> jamie harrison, if you look at the numbers and think of mark sanford as an incumbent, then it actually looks pretty good for elizabeth colbert busch because whenever the incumbent is polling below 50 and certainly
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that close to the challenger, the presumption is that most of the undecideds will go for the challenger because most people makeup their minds about the incumbent faster, it is the challenger they wait to decide on. is that the way you're looking at those numbers, that those are good if you think of -- good for elizabeth colbert busch if you think of mark sanford as the incumbent? >> yeah, that's exactly right, lawrence. krystal was right. mitt romney won this seat with 18 points over barack obama in the last general election, but we do see an enthusiasm gap here in this district. republicans, there are a lot of them, they might agree with mark sanford on some policies, but they really have some problems with his ethical background. so in the end we think, you know, as the day goes long and people are working, the question
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comes well, am i going to leave my job to vote for mark sanford or will i just sit on my hand this time around? we think a lot of republicans will choose that. we also think that there's a large number of independents that tend to vote republican, but with the right candidate will vote for a democrat. we think many of the independents are going to come our way. >> krystal, jamie makes a good point about the energy in these things tends to be with the upstart, with the challenger, and that is the role that elizabeth colbert busch is in. you would think on this kind of odd day election, you know, out of schedule election that more turnout energy might be on her side than on his? >> i would definitely think that. i mean, just from the grass roots base all the way up, democrats are really excited about the chance of winning this seat. there's no question she has the
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enthusiasm on her side. and i think the other key piece here is how do those independent women in particular vote and do they show up to vote. i think that's the other key piece here. one independent women's group that's trying to back mark sanford is basically saying don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. that's the best argument they can make for him. so that's another key piece to watch here, how do women turn out and who do they vote for. >> krystal ball, jamie harrison, the first african-american chairman of the south carolina democratic party, congratulations on your election, mr. chairman, and thank you both for joining me. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, the latest on the extraordinary breaking news out of cleveland tonight. three girls who went missing ten years ago have been found. they have escaped from their captivity. it is a dramatic and
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accused boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev is now under house arrest at home after going before a u.s. magistrate judge this afternoon. 19-year-old robel phillipos wore a bright orange prison jump suit as he was ordered released on bail while he waits to go to trial for lying to federal investigators right after the boston marathon bombing. the fbi arrested phillipos along with two other young man from kazakhstan. they were all friends of him at dartmouth. phillipos will be under home confinement, must wear an ankle monitor. ten bombing victims remain in boston hospitals, including one child at boston children's hospital who is now in fair condition in icu. up next in the "rewrite," wayne lapierre's lies about boston at the nra convention. dg] ♪
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how many in boston wish they had a gun two weeks ago? >> yeah, wayne lapierre went there. and the answer is none of the bostonians i talked to wished they had a gun. no one i talked to in boston a week after the marathon bombing wished they had a gun. guns would not have done anyone any good at any time in that story in boston and we know it. if every man, woman and child at the finish line of the boston marathon had a gun, it would have done them absolutely no good when the bombs went off. the three dead would still have been killed. all of the injured and maimed would still have suffered the same injuries, and the people that weren't injured would not have reached for their guns, they would have rushed to help the injured just like all the gun toting police officers did. no one with a gun would have taken a shot at the bombers because no one knew who the
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bombers were. but wayne lapierre could still ask his reality challenged audience how many bostonians wished they had a gun two weeks ago. wayne doesn't care about or even know the facts of the boston case, so he probably doesn't know that the first person that the bombers encountered after the bombing had a gun. that was m.i.t. police officer sean collier. he was assassinated by tamerlan tsarnaev. he never had a chance to use his gun. wayne lapierre did not lead a moment of silence for sean collier this weekend at that convention. his death was not worthy of nra attention, even during the boston section of wayne lapierre's speech. the next person tamerlan tsarnaev approached was a citizen of china who is so
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naive, so trusting, so not from around here that when tamerlan tsarnaev approached his car in cambridge, late at night in the dark, the chinese man actually rolled down his window to talk to tamerlan and got himself hijacked. the tsarnaev brothers' next encounter was with the watertown police on laurel street where the police killed tamerlan and wounded dzhokhar tsarnaev in a wild shootout. is wayne lapierre saying it would have been helpful to have the residents of laurel street join in that gunbattle? he is very clearly saying he believes that a lot of us in boston two weeks ago wished we had a gun, but he never says what we would have or could have done with guns if we had them. now watch how wayne lapierre concluded his exploitation of the boston bombing tragedy.
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>> i said it before, and i'll say it again. no bill in congress, no rose garden speech will ever change that inescapable fact that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. [ applause ] boston proves it. when brave law enforcement officers did their jobs in that city, so courageously, good guys with guns stopped terrorists with guns. >> he uses boston as a device to get him to the punch line, good guys with guns stopped terrorists with guns. and he blurs it there because the proverbial nra good guy with
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a gun is a citizen with a gun, not a police officer. there is no debate in this country. there's no debate in the united states senate about police officers having guns. the nra's cause, its mission, what that convention was about, is making sure everyone else, everyone other than police officers, can get any kind of gun and ammunition they want any time they want it. in fact, the nra's mission is to make sure citizens can outgun police officers, make sure we all have access to even mo more lethal weapons than police officers can use and afford. the psychotic vision of an armed uprising against our government, the uprising that 44% of republicans think might have to happen soon is an uprising against police officers.
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police officers are the first people those armed republicans and nra members imagine themselves shooting and killing with guns and high capacity magazines. wayne lapierre talks them into stockpiling those things in their homes. it was not wayne lapierre's armed citizenry that stopped terrorists in boston. it was the watertown police, all six of them, plus a transit officer who got shot. wayne lapierre's sleazy exploitive question, how many bostonians wished they had a gun two weeks ago spoken by a man that knows nothing about boston, appreciated by a relentlessly ignorant nra audience that knows nothing about what happened in
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boston. what bostonians wished was that tamerlan tsarnaev didn't have a gun. officer sean collier would be alive today if the tsarnaev brothers couldn't get their hands on a gun. transit officer richard donahue wouldn't have been wounded in the laurel street shootout if the tsarnaevs couldn't get their hands on a gun. and we don't know yet exactly how tamerlan tsarnaev got the gun used to assassinate officer sean collier and wound richard donahue, but we do know getting that gun was made easier, much, much easier, by the life's work of wayne lapierre. resources they need. bright students are getting lost in the shuffle.
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safe. amanda berry, gina dejesus and michele knight were found. amanda berry was seen leaving her job at burger team a decade ago. she's 27 years old. gina dejesus was 14 when she went missing after school in april, 2004. she's now 23 years old. and michelle knight was 21 when she went missing in august of 2002. today she's 32 years old. tonight, all three women are being checked by a local hospital and doctors say they are in fair condition. police will release more details at a press conference tomorrow morning.
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we're now going to listen to the 911 call amanda berry made when she escaped. she seemed very conscious in this call that her case was very well known. seems she probably had access to television or some media within that home where she was held. she tries to tell the 911 operator who she is, has been in the news ten years. it is an extraordinary call. listen to it now. >> 911. >> help me, i am amanda berry. >> you need police, fire or ambulance. >> i need police. >> and what's going on there? >> i have been kidnapped and i have been missing ten years and i'm here, i'm free now. >> okay, what's your address? >> [bleep]. >> i can't hear you. >> looks like [bleep]. >> i am using the phone.
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>> stay with the neighbors until they get there. call the police when they get there. >> hello? >> talk to the police when they get there. >> we will send one as soon as they get a car open. >> i need them now before he gets back. >> we're sending them. >> who's the guy who went out? >> his name is [bleep]. >> how old is he? >> he is like 52. >> all right. >> i am amanda berry, i have been on the news the last ten years. >> i got that, dear. and you said what was his name again? [bleep]. >> and white, black, hispanic. >> what's he wearing? >> i don't know, he is not here now. >> when you left, what was he wearing? the police are on the way. talk to them when they get
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there. i told you they're on the way. talk to them when they get there. >> all right. >> joining me by phone, a reporter following the story the last ten years. rachel, the suspect in custody tonight is ariel castro. what do we know about him? >> reporter: i talked to a lot of neighbors, lived on the street a long time. actually his uncle owns a store at the corner across the street, and every single person i talked to said they had never seen him with any of these women, that if you would have met him and got to know him, people would have said he was a beautiful person. you know, very different than what we would think, usually when you go to a potential crime scene like this, a lot of people that walk up to you have something negative to say about the person that's been arrested. and that wasn't the case here, it was mostly just shock. people talked about him cooking
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out with everybody, driving four wheelers in the field with everybody, no sign at least according to neighbors that any of these women were in the house. the uncle that i talked to who owns the store at the corner said his family and gina dejesus' family have known each other for years, and this gentleman used to play bass in a band that played in her uncle's club he had just in the neighborhood, so everybody kind of knew each other. this guy also wrote an article, trying to draw attention to gina's disappearance in a local neighborhood kind of newspaper that's distributed, you know, in different neighborhoods called the plain press, he wrote about it trying to draw attention to it years and years ago. >> rachel, what about reports of babies coming out of that house, too. what do we know about that. >> from what all of the neighbors told me, amanda came
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out through the bottom of the door first. this is a gentleman, charles ramsey, that let her use the phone to call 911. and it was not a baby according to him, a child nine or ten years old. >> rachel dissell, thank you for joining us on this breaking news night. >> reporter: thanks so much. chris hayes is next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. thank you for joining us tonight. there is a lot happening on this monday, including the shocking arrest of the lieutenant colonel in charge of the air force's sexual assault prevention program. he himself is charged tonight with sexual assault. two big banks are accused of violating their responsibility to help struggling homeowners. i'll have the exclusive interview with the attorney general who is cracking down. and a major tax bill passes in