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"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes, and thank you for joining us tonight. all right. let the weed wars begin as colorado becomes the first state in the world to legalize recreational marijuana use. plus, facebook executive sheryl sandberg is encouraging working women to lean in, but new data out today shows how much leaning in we all, all of us, men and women, have to do. and as a service to hyperbolic republicans, tonight we offer a reminder there is one and blessedly only one richard nixon. we begin tonight another whom of there's only one, michele bachmann. five years ago, if i said that name to you on this program, you would have had no idea who the heck i was talking about.
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michele bachmann, happened at that point to be a freshman member of congress in minnesota and there are even still lots of members of congress whose names you probably don't know. there are a good number whose names i don't know, and i know this stuff for a living. let's face it, there are literally hundreds of them and most are unremarkable and absent from your daily life. the reason you know michele bachmann's name among the 134 members of the house who do not personally represent you is because michele bachmann made sure you know the name michele bachmann, because michele bachmann's vocation isn't actually member of congress, it's being someone who is known by the people like you. today, we know that michele bachmann will not be seeking reelection next year, a decision she announced, fittingly, because it's the medium she works within, in a web video, a long, long, aggressively boring and overmusically scored web video. there were moments, however, in the eight-plus minutes of her camera monologue of pure trademark michele bachmann amazingness, starting with the
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not reasons she's leaving congress. >> be assured, my decision was not in any way influenced by any concerns about my being reelected to congress. and rest assured, this decision was not impacted in any way by the recent inquiries into the activities of my former presidential campaign or my former presidential staff. >> as convincing as rob ford's crack-cocaine denial, no, michele bachmann is not quitting congress because she might lose her seat to the guy who almost unseated her last year or because the fbi is investigating her 2012 presidential campaign, but those things are happening in michele bachmann's life, right now. count dentally, in polling out last week, bachmann's opponent was beating her, same guy that came within 5,000 votes of unseating her last year and already announced he's running again. and that's on top of news from a week and a half ago that the fbi has joined investigation around bachmann's 2012 presidential campaign, an investigation already being undertaken by the
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office of congressional ethics, fbc, and iowa state senate's ethics committee. rest assured, that is not why michele bachmann is leaving congress, she made that very did articulate in the eight and a half minute web video why she is leaving congress, but she did something better, talked about how awesome member of congress she was and how awesome something or other she's going to be when she leaves congress. >> over the next 18 months, i will continue to work 100-hour weeks, and i will continue to do everything that i can to advance our conservative constitutional principles. being the primary sponsor of the bill that recently passed in the house to repeal obama care. i've called out the muslim jihad terrorists for who they are, and for the evil that they perpetrate upon our people. i've identified at the outset of the so-called arab spring, this administration's foreign policy blunders and how those blunders have contributed into turning
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the middle east into a devastating, evil, jihadist earthquake. i want you to be assured there is no future option or opportunity, be it directly in the political arena or otherwise, that i won't be giving serious consideration. >> consider it all, michele bachmann. now think of that as an audition tape for michele bachmann's next act and think of her decision to leave congress as a carefully calculated career move. it's all part of her expanding role as someone who is known by people like you. that's a trajectory that began five shorts years ago on this network when michele bachmann launched her profile as a fresh member of congress here on msnbc during an interview with our own chris matthews by saying this. >> the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out, are they pro america or anti-america? i think people would love to see an expose about that. >> that bit of recall came weeks
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before the 2008 election and made michele bachmann famous, like big, big, big time virally famous and raised more than $400,000 for her democratic opponent inside of 24 hours. it was not enough to defeat michele bachmann. she eked out a three-point victory that year and a conservative star was born. she became a special kind of creature, distinct from a regular old member of congress, she became a cable news brawler, a political version of a professional wrestler and her announcement today is an indication she prefers cable news brawler to member of congress, hence the decision to quit congress to focus on being someone whose name you know professionally. and here's the thing, for all the snark we direct at michele bachmann, really who could blame her? let's be real here for a second and compare and contrast her options. as a member of congress, she has to answer whiney constituent mail about potholes. as a member of congress, you have to spend six hours a day on
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calling on fickle donors and begging them for money to fund your next campaign, which is literally always on the horizon, as a professional pundit, watch deposits enter into your bank account. study briefings on amendments to fund the government. as a professional pundit, sign a 24-year-old to ghost write a best selling book for you. it's not surprising michele bachmann is making this move. what does it mean about her politics that this is the calculus she was facing? and for the prospects of a movement that so reliably churns out michele bachmanns? joining me, joan walsh, author of "what's the matter with white people," that includes michele bachmann, and dan savage, author of the brand new book you should check out "american savage."
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all right, michele bachmann, i guess i was sort of surprised she did this, but once we sat in the editorial meeting, what would you do if you were michele bachmann, it makes perfect sense, right? >> yes, it does. i mean, she's also facing -- i love the whole pay no attention to the fbi investigation behind the curtain part of her word salad generated video. >> and she led with that. >> that was the beginning. the beginning was this whole long thing about all the reasons she's not quitting, not because of the fbi and she's going to get her butt kicked. >> i'm glad it was at the beginning, i went through four minutes before i had to go back to watching porn. only four minutes of michele bachmann before i got a palate closer. >> i watched more of it. it's tempting to play this exclusively for laughs, but we have to remember when she showed up on the scene, it was a very ugly time in american politics. barack obama was pretty much
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going to win, but the sarah palin rallies of that same era, i think it was october, there were clouds. >> backlash politics, the purest form of backlash politics. >> you had people screaming "kill him" at palin rallies, he was hanging around with terrorists, then you had michele bachmann come on this network and be joe mccarthy in lipstick and really feel no compunction about saying many, most democrats in congress were anti-american. >> and the only thing to mccain's credit he did in the entire campaign is push back against that, against his own vice presidential pick. >> here's the question, michele bachmann's making, i think, a rational choice, and it's interesting jim demint, a senator, i'm going to run a think tank, it's more influential. can you really ruin that think tank? so, what i think is really interesting, though, is there's two ways to look at bachmann's departure as signaling some end to that ugly period, right? the bookends are the real
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backlash politics in 2008 that reached the culmination of the tea party and the ugliness there and are now on the wane and are, you know, or you can see as michele bachmann is, essentially, the john the baptist to the people that came after her, like ted cruz, who's kind of the michele bachmann with elite pedigree and tremendous rhetorical skills. so my question for you, particularly that she comes out of the evangelical movement, whether you see this as something that's going to endure the michele bachmann base or does signal some kind of end to that period. >> i think the republican base, the evan -- they are not going anywhere. no one is getting through the iowa caucuses without pandering and appealing to that base. it could be cruz and it could be rick santorum, who reminds us he won 11 states. it's not going anywhere. maybe in retreat, and i think michele bachmann, one thing she
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didn't talk about was the anti guy marriage amendment to the minnesota constitution that she shepherded, she backed, was rejected by the voters and the democrats and democratic governor who was really swept into power, the opposite of their intended effect. they thought they'd rally the haters to pour into the ballot box and they got the opposite and now we have same-sex rights in minnesota. she did say she would leave minnesota. >> she also represents the kind of trajectory art of this evangelical movement. it was the vanguard for a lot of victories in the early part of michele bachmann's career and what launched her into politics. here she sits in this video having seen her state reject exactly the kind of politics that brought her in politics to begin with. >> they are in retreat on those issues, but they are not generally in retreat.
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we are going to see a ted cruz and people with more finesse. she was never interested in governing anyone. i think she passed one bill. why would she as your graphics laid out, why wouldn't she take the paycheck, take the cars, make the speeches, and give up on all this nonsense? >> that's what she's looking at and a lot of people in her camp are looking at, their rhetoric and their style. we'll win primaries still, but it's not going to win elections anywhere. >> there's a durable base both financially and the media sphere for what she has to offer. >> there's wing nut welfare, they leave congress and get millions of dollars from right-wing people. >> think tanks. >> here's an even deeper point than that, let's look at former lawmakers, billy townsend leaves, doesn't seek reelection. sarah palin leaves to become a multimillionaire multimedia property.
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evan bayh joined fox news channel, became a lobbyist, this says to me there's something really sad about this whole thing, which is being a member of congress was once the thing you wanted to get to, and now being a member of congress is the farm team, the thing right before the thing you want to get to, the major leagues, which is any one of these much more highly paid influential positions. >> which is anything to make a lot of money, whether it's big pharma, a hedge fund, or welfare. you do mention some of our lovely former democrats. >> but also the feeling that when you look at being a member of congress between calling for six hours a day and the fact that the washington feels completely broken and dysfunctional, particularly congress, it's like, well, sure. >> it could be a rational decision. i'm not sure it's a totally rational decision on her part, because i'm not sure any of them have been, but she's going to have a lot of fun.
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look at sarah palin. >> sarah palin fatally wounded her political prospects. >> she chose one over the other and thought she could do both. you can be one or the other, you can be the professional wrestler figure or be a viable political candidate, but as of now, you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. quickly, dan, people call michele bachmann crazy a lot, people on our side, broadly, and it always drives me crazy a little bit because i feel this word has this dismissive venom to it that doesn't grapple seriously with someone who just has a set of beliefs. >> someone that goes on tv and says the hpv virus causes mental retardation. >> obama care will, literally, kill women and children. >> you're making the argument for using the word. >> occasionally you have to call a nut a nut and this woman is a bit of a nut, and not a bit of a nut, she's a lot of a nut and one of those people that came out of my mouth, it must be true, and she examines her statements after they came out of her mouth.
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>> i still think there was fascinating today everyone was mourning the departure of michele bachmann, there's something about her as villain that was, for a certain period of time, still is, massively compelling to people and part of it is the fact the things she said were so far out there, but also the crazy eyes and this kind of image that we drew of her. >> can we throw her husband on the table? >> we can't -- marcus is a whole other show. thank you both. up next, next big lucrative massly influential american industry begins to take shape in colorado, legal marijuana regulations go into effect. big tobacco 2.0, we'll be right back. try align. it's the number one ge recommended probiotic that helps maintain digestive balance. ♪ stay in the groove with align. ♪ need help keeping your digestive balance in sync? try align.
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breaking news tonight out of new york city and washington, d.c. authorities say letters sent to new york mayor michael bloomberg tested positive for the poison ricin. the letters were opened in new york city on friday, another
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tainted letter was sent to the director of bloomberg's group mayors against illegal guns in washington. the letters contain threatening comments about bloomberg's support for gun safety. we'll follow this story here and on
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leading medical researchers are coming to the conclusion that marijuana, pot, grass, whatever you want to call it, is probably the most dangerous drug in the united states. >> that was a little over 30 years ago, and, well, we have come a long way. if you've ever wondered what it would look like to live in a world where marijuana was legal and regulated, in colorado that day has arrived.
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yesterday, governor john hickenlooper made history by signing four bills to make his state the first state in the country to fully regulate the regular rational use, sale, and consumption of marijuana for adults. >> clearly, we are charting new territory. other states haven't been through this process in the same way we have. recreational marijuana is really a completely new entity. >> this is not a small deal. colorado has now created a legal marijuana regime that is more expansive than anything that exists anywhere else in the world, and it is one of the truly remarkable social experiments of our time, one in which a u.s. state attempts to transfer a black market criminal activity into a legitimate business and industry. pulling that out is no small task, and here's how they are doing it. bills set up the regulatory framework dictating how the pot can grow and be sold. the state allows adults over 21 to buy and possess up to an ounce of the drug. if you're not a colorado resident, you'll be allowed to
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buy a quarter ounce. colorado residents can also grow up to six plants, also -- >> the law requires advertising restrictions, childproof packaging, and limits on how much thc can be in edible products. >> one of the big appeals of this campaign was the fact they even called it the campaign to regulate marijuana like alcohol and they are taking that seriously. the bills require all marijuana products to include warning labels, serving size, meaning a quarter ounce or half ounce, info on how much thc it contains, the ingredient in marijuana that gets you high. >> much like liquor, you're going to know how much drug you're getting. >> that's important, because the thc blood limit became the law the moment governor hickenlooper put his name on paper. you're too high to drive if your blood contains more than 5 nanograms of thc. >> thc stays in the system for up to three to four hours, again, sometimes longer based on
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the type of ingestion and also the potency of the marijuana. >> everyone will have to study up on this stuff, including the police, who are now required to get new drug dui training, presumably because the walk the yellow line test doesn't matter if you're high and the law will allow the person to refute the charge that they are too high to drive as republican state representative mark waller put it, you can put that on as evidence to say, look, my driving was not poor, i'm not unsafe to operate a motor vehicle. so far, legislators have focused on the relatively easy part, how to regulate consumption. the real war to come is how to regulate and oversee what is quickly going to become an extremely lucrative industry, an industry one former microsoft representative said it will mint millionaires faster than microsoft. mason ran the campaign for the colorado marijuana legalization
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ballot initiative. here's my question, the politics in colorado on this issue, it was a fiercely fought battle, the ballot initiative. there were a lot of sitting members of the state legislator, the governor, i think, was officially opposed to it. are they still trying -- are they still opposed to it, are the politics such they are trying to do what republicans are doing to obama care, which is make sure the thing blows up and doesn't work or is there buy-in from the state's politicians to try to make this thing work? >> well, i think by and large there is a great deal of buy-in. our governor, along with a great number of our state legislators and other state officials, have really come together and put together what is a very robust, comprehensive, and responsible regulatory framework. there are certainly still some folks who want to do everything they can to keep adults from using marijuana or in some cases punish adults if they use marijuana, but by and large,
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we're seeing really a system coming together, people working in the same direction. >> so my question about the industry is the thing i find most fascinating here. are you afraid of creating a monster, and what i mean by that, i've seen articles about the industry hiring lobbyist, spending a lot of money on lobbyists. this, of course, will be an industry closely regulated, so being able to influence politicians is going to be very important, and right now, particularly in the beginning, when there's no brand occupying that space, seems there's lots of money to be made on the table. is this going to be a really brutal lobbying battle behind the scenes to figure out how this industry is structured? >> well, you know, if you could point to an industry that doesn't have lobbyists and doesn't work to, you know, establish policies that will allow it to function, then, you know, good luck. but the fact is that this will be and already is an industry like any other.
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it's an industry that's working to be responsible. up until this point, we have had a marijuana industry in this country and in colorado. it's been drug cartels and gangs, and we haven't known who's growing marijuana, who they are selling it to, where and when, and what people are buying. now we will know that. this is a new industry. we have the ability to start from scratch. this isn't big tobacco. let's put this in context. tobacco kills about 400,000 americans per year, alcohol about 40,000 americans and marijuana has never killed a single human being in history, so that's not to say it shouldn't be regulated and controlled, it's just to say while this is new and some people might have knee-jerk reactions, we need to treat the product like it is, which is a relatively benign substance that millions of adults in this country use responsibly. >> jimmy carter's former drug czar said in 2012 the tobacco companies set up model programs so they can jump into marketing. i know there's been a lot of concern. you said it's not big tobacco,
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about this becoming an adjunct of big tobacco or the next version of big tobacco. who is investing right now, where is the money coming for for the industry in colorado in its current state? >> frankly, i'm not seeing any big tobacco involvement, but if the folks at big tobacco would like to ditch cigarettes and start selling a product that doesn't kill anyone, i think that would be a net positive, but ultimately, the people getting into this are typical people that would invest in any business. one of the things i look at this industry in colorado is the restaurant industry. there's a lot of competition, there's a lot of stress involved, there's a lot of overhead, not everyone can cut it, but, you know, someone goes out of business, someone else buys them out, and some people are successful and they start a chain. i mean, it's really just like any other industry. >> that's going to be interesting to see whether that competition is borne out as this becomes reality. mason tvert, thank you. >> thanks for having me. for anyone who likes to
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compare the latest scandal with watergate, a public service is coming up on your behalf next.
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senate minority leader/bourbon enthusiast/obstructer in chief mitch mcconnell is pulling in dead heat for his bid for reelection to his kentucky senate seat. fresh off that news, mcconnell's campaign released one of those online overproduced campaign ads that look like jerry bruckheimer trailer, if bruckheimer made
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movies about the house oversight committee. it's focusing on testimony in the irs tea party 501 c-4 scandal. then there's this moment -- >> i'm not aware of that. >> i don't know. >> i have no memory of anyone doing that. >> i didn't know that. >> i'm not personally responsible. >> do you believe it is illegal? >> i don't believe it is. >> when the president does it, that means it is not illegal. >> catch that? that, of course, is the famous richard nixon campaign. the reason that quote is so justly famous is it succinctly articulates nixon's world view and his own view for his pathological, maniacal lawlessness. it's a usable, teachable moment, because i've been hearing conservatives using the adjectives nixonian or injecting watergate to the irs. >> this is being revealed, this
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is a government that is out of control. >> i haven't seen anyone since richard nixon with the same instinct of being isolated. >> i've never seen anything quite like this except in the past during the nixon years. >> it strikes me that anyone that says that with a straight face has no idea the breathtaking scope and criminality of nixon. the legal authority to kill american citizens is both wrong and offensive to our conception of the law. the justice department's reckless overuse and abuse of subpoenas of journalists in leak investigations is chilling and destructive, but nixonian means a very specific thing, if you want to talk about the irs, this is what it means in the context of the irs, i want to be sure he's a ruthless son of a bitch, he'll do what he's told, any income tax return i want to see, i'll see, he'll go after our enemies and not after our friends. that was richard nixon describing his candidate for new
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head of irs. we know exactly how nixon felt about using the irs to go after people. >> why are we going after their tax returns? i -- you know what i mean? there's a lot of gold in them there hills. i can only hope that we are, frankly, doing a little persecuting. right? we ought to persecute them -- we can. >> that's not some bureaucrat in the cincinnati office of the irs sorting applications, that's the president of the united states directly asking for the irs to persecute his political enemies. conservatives talk about president obama bringing chicago-style politics in his rough and tumble approach to adversaries. this is what nixon means about enemies. the brookings institution a political enemy.
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>> we're up against an enemy, a conspiracy. they're using any means. we are going to use any means. is that clear? did they get the brookings institute raided last night? get it done. i want it done. i want the brookings cleaned out. >> i want the brookings institute safe cleaned out. another political enemy, former military analyst who leaked the pentagon papers to congress, needless to say, nixon was not a fan. his white house went after him, and not just through legal channels, which is how the department of defense has gone after bradley manning with appalling ruthlessness. no, no, no, through criminal side canals. >> so, tomorrow we'll review all this stuff. we tried a few -- we had one little operation that aborted out in los angeles, which, i
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think, is better that you don't know about. >> agreed. >> but we've got some dirty tricks under way that may pay off. >> all right. that operation that he wasn't telling nixon about involved the wiretapping and burglary at a shrink's office to root through his records and bug him. by the way, none of this is the actual watergate break-in. this was just all, or some of the stuff, we found out because of the investigation of the malfeasance that wound out forcing nixon out of office. the fact he was a criminal syndicate does nothing to excuse wrongdoing by the obama administration, but ever since the 1970s, republicans and conservatives embarrassed by nixon have been on the lookout for the next watergate and always convinced they'd have their day. we've been here before, and in the absence of evidence, until proven otherwise, there remains only one incomparable dick nixon, and thank god for that. we'll be right back with click 3.
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facebook executive sheryl sandberg has put a spotlight on gender equalities inequalities in the professional world, but we have more evidence today that working moms still face a struggle. congressman debbie wasserman schultz shares her experience coming up. first, i am obsessed with the quickest ways to get places, the fastest routes, and with new york's new bike share program officially under way, the new york times is having a bike share derby, bike against subway in a point-to-point race. google maps pegs the race at 2.5 miles and after a handshake, they are off. the time lapsed video adding just the right amount of urgency and suspense until subway dude gets stuck on a platform trying to change planes. ultimate victor is bike lady. bike winning 3 out of 5, subway winning 1 out of 5, with the
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final race going to angry cab driver, always a winner. second awesomest thing, broadcast legend larry king's getting a brand new political show on the r.t. cable network. the promo begins like this, so buzz feed has created some gifts, paying homage to king, like, are you my daddy, i'm not quite sure what's that supposed to mean, here's johnny, and how long have you been standing there? i ask my staff that one all the time. since r.t. stands for russia today, we were treated to this headline, larry joins the krem lin, which is not really true, but would make for a great "curb your enthusiasm" episode. the third greatest thing today, kids in a minneapolis school singing about khaki pants. here's khaki, the pants, and cathy, the dance. ♪ ♪ i keep it fresh in my polos
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and khakis ♪ ♪ i look around the classroom and everybody matching ♪ ♪ do the khaki dance ♪ do the khaki dance ♪ do the khaki dance ♪ do the khaki dance ♪ do the khaki dance >> for all the kids trapped in school uniforms out there, swag ain't what you wear, swag is the mentality. music come from a kids hip hop group, presents the crew and turns out to have an amazing origin, after school program in minneapolis, minnesota, since may 2009, the beats and rhymes program has produced eight albums. for these kids, bling is just a state of mind. you can find all the links on our website, we'll be right back.
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family and medical leave is a matter of pure common sense and a matter of common decency. it will provide americans what they need most, peace of mind. never again will parents have to fear losing their jobs because of their families. >> that was a promise president clinton offered to the american people 20 years ago when signing the family medical leave act. and if you saw the headlines today about a new study called breadwinner moms, but that title and positive sounding headlines belie pretty jaw-dropping details in the study.
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the main point that was taken away from the report is that 40% of all households, all with children under the age of 18 include mothers either the sole or primary source of income for the family, that's up from just 11% in 1960. and the reaction to that reality has had an aura of feminism on the march, like this from "sex in the city author" who tweeted my base of my 2005 novel, the world is catching up. instead of trumpeting the study, we should be finding ways to increase father's role and contributions. the real story from the data is neither of those, it is that women are struggling tremendously in this economy, especially the 8.6 million single mothers in the united states whose median, median family income is one-fourth that of their married counterparts, $23,000, compared to nearly $80,000 family income of married
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mothers who earn more than their husbands. those single mothers are also younger, more likely to be black or hispanic and less likely to have a college degree. they are also not necessarily choosing to be the sole breadwinner in the family, they are working to pay rent and put food on the table for their children, today is viewed by a significant majority, 64% of americans, as a big problem. there's so much in this study and the reaction to entangle, i'm excited to have with me congressman debbie wasserman schultz, grassroots organization focusing on womens, mothers, and families, and rebecca, author of "big girls don't cry." great to have you all here. >> thank you. >> all right. these studies always get a lot of attention. we were talking about it excitedly in our news media this morning. you were reacting on twitter both to the reaction and coverage. >> i read about it in "the new york times."
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top mothers are top earners, top earners puts you in mind of the shoulder padded diane keaton ladies with the corner offices. this was in "the new york times." this was not a right wing rag that was suddenly immediately worried about fatherhood. you get the two paragraphs that herald this news, women are making more money in four out of ten families, and in the third graph, before you get to the numbers that tell you 63% of the top-earning moms are single mothers earning a median of $23,000, before you get to that, you have three paragraphs about the other findings of the study, which is that people still think that this is bad for society, that women working for pay and working outside the home is bad, and that was the bigger news. >> does that part resinate in the politics you pursue? what's happening in this country
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increasingly is roles are changing in the way that we live and the way people feel about that is very torn and complicated, and i wonder how that affects the politics of an issue like this. >> the perfect example is when i ran for congress and i was two months' pregnant with my youngest daughter and the editorial page editor of one of my local papers when i went to interview for my endorsement asked if whether my opponent had been saying you could be a good mom and good member of congress but can't be both at the same time, and if that was true and how i was going to deal with it. >> wow. >> what i said to him, i'd be happy to answer that question if you can assure me he asked male candidates with young kids the same question and that was the end of the conversation. >> i want to talk about the twin things that are happening, women earning more than their husbands is one interesting category and what single women are facing, i want to talk about all that after we take this break. thing? let's see what you got. rv -- covered. why would you pay for a hotel? i never do. motorcycles -- check.
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breadwinners, breadwinners, breadwinners. what a weird term. 40% of american households are helmed by a woman breadwinner with debbie wasserman shultz, journalist rebecca traister. what was your takeaway from the study? >> you started with the bill clinton clip, wow, it's a long time coming, but next month is the equal pay act and 50 years later there's still a huge wage gap. you still have this huge pay gap that is increased if you're a mom tremendously, you know, is the real story, it's really a distraction. >> part of the stat about this 4 in 10 is the fact so many of those households are helmed by
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single moms. when you're just looking at married couples, in 1960, just 6% of married couples had a woman earning more than a husband. it has increased four fold, quite a bit, but it's still only 24%, and, of course, there's a lot of stuff in 2013, loaded psychological stuff about what that does to a marriage. >> at the beginning of our marriage, i made more than my husband and i stressed out about it, that it would bother him. turns out he's comfortable in his own skin and was fine with it, but i had some angst for awhile. it's not the case now. we've flipped, especially with my public service, but that is not something that women should have to worry about. just to give you another example, we're debating in florida legislation that governor rick scott is about to decide whether to veto to sign that would actually prohibit local governments from passing paid sick leave ordinances. >> we've covered that on this program. if the citizens of miami think
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that's a proper policy -- >> which they do. >> it would get knocked down at the state level. >> it would be preempted. i wrote a letter to the governor urging him to veto the bill, hopefully, he will. >> that's a big contributor to the wage gap between moms and non-moms and moms and men. when you have to take off from work and your job is not secure there for you or unpaid, it threatens the family economic security. >> fmla is great. >> it's unpaid time off. it is great, but when you look around -- >> it doesn't have what it needs. >> i was watching that bill clinton clip and he's talking about decency and i think, yeah, you know what would be more decent if we paid people like people are paid around the world. we lag so far behind in this kind of human decency and respect for families. >> here's the question. you see the trends here,
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everyone understands these things are happening and some ways more slowly than we'd like, but it doesn't seem like our politics do respond to it and i'm curious why there is that mismatch. you have a situation right now, single women, young women, just core democratic constituencies. my question to you, what are you delivering to them, giving them for voting your way? >> when we're delivering is a focus on their equality, on making sure we adopt policies that ensures they can be paid more, paid more equally, that we give them equal access to health care, and we focus on job creation for the middle class and working families. >> yes. >> that will lift them up. >> lilly ledbetter -- what is paycheck fairness? >> the teeth we needed behind the equal pay act. it's going to allow people to discuss their wages, a lot of time women don't know if they are being paid equal to their male counterparts and puts it on par with racial discrimination and other types of
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discrimination. >> between the two parties, we debated and voted down in the appropriations committee the other day an amendment by my colleague who simply tried to say that federal sub contractors couldn't have policies in place to prohibit employees from discussing play so that women -- voted down on a party line vote. >> wait, wait, wait, take me through that. if you have a contract with the federal government, you could not have a policy that prohibited employees discussing pay for precisely the reason of just allowing people to discuss it so they could figure out. >> exactly. we had a debate on that, the amendment was offered, all the democrats voted yes, all the republicans voted no. >> jennifer ruben had this reaction, which i thought was interesting to the study today, conservative and extremely republican aligned commentator. going forward, republicans would
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be wise to change their tone. it's not pandering, it is explained you understand their situation and are focused on them. put it this way, the right wing media applauds is precisely the type that turns off women voters that aren't already die hard republicans. >> fascinating statistic is 23% of the electorate in 2012 was single women and they voted barack obama over mitt romney by 50%. >> that is the part of the wedge. i don't know if we have that graphic, that is growing, that's a huge part of the growth that's given us this statistic. >> yes. so we talk about how politics are bending around immigration because of demographic changes. actually, both parties should be responding to this demographic change and the exploding population of single women. >> this shows how much the read of the exit polls determines so much, because everyone had the read of the election results, which is that republicans need to get right with latinos, which they absolutely do and got slaughtered and can't sustain those margins, but nobody had the lead with single women. >> we need to stay right with women. as the democratic party chair, i can assure you, i know we have to focus on outreach to women. between 2008 and 2012, those same women stayed home. >> all right.
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here's the most fascinating wrinkle in all this. this is less on the politics and more on the personal. there's a working paper in "the new york times." no this study from pugh, but our analysis shows gender identity considerations, mainly to women who seems threatening to her husband because she earns more than he does, to engage in a larger share of home production activities, particularly household chores. this is a working paper that looks at the actual data and finds women earning more than their husband are also doing more in the home out of this sort of compensatory desire to placate any wounded ego. >> wow, she can do well on the job and do well at home and be a mom. i think all of the systems that we mentioned are real and in place, but there's also huge discrimination. last week "the washington post" reported paul jones felt that women, once they become mothers, are less skilled at being microtraders. this was a huge -- this wasn't archie bunker, this was a billionaire person who controls
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jobs and controls salaries. we're up against these policies, we're also up against these ideals. that's why we produce more when we get home. >> interesting to think the ideals as this privatized thing you put over yourself in the situation you find yourself, not, you know, regardless of policy. >> this has been playing out for generations since the second wave in the 1970s. an incredible book called "the second shift" about this, about women moving into the workforce in these huge numbers and still the expectations, the norm being they are responsible for all the domestic work and that norm is only changing now and incremental ways. >> socialized boys differently. we have to make sure we raise our boys to believe like my husband does in equal parenting and sharing of responsibilities in the household. >> dnc chairman, socialize boys. author and journalist rebecca traister and monifa bandele, thank you all. that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now.
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good evening. >> way to stir it up, chris. >> we got our takeaway. >> see if she ever comes back. that's right. thanks for you for staying with us this hour. we're going to start with breaking news. "the new york times" is reporting tonight that barack obama has chosen a new director for the fbi. if "the new york times" reporting on this is correct, this choice is going to be a very big hairy political deal. the fbi became the fbi in 1935. in all of those years that has existed, in all of that time, you want to know how many people have had the job of running the fbi? six. six guys in total have ever had the job of running that agency in nearly 80 years. we've had lots and lots and lots more presidents than that since then, but only six fbi directors, and that is mostly because j. edgar hoover was in charge of the fbi for almost 50 of those years. after j. edgar hoover was there


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