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good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washingtonnd we're learning new details about the top-secret program code named prism. which allowed the national security agency and the fbi to tap directly into computer servers of nine leading internet companies. monitoring internet traffic and collecting data in real-time. the "washington post" obtained these slides used as part of a secret intelligence presentation to explain the program. intelligence officials are reeling after all of these leaks which have revealed some of the most sensitive secrets in the counterterror data-collection operation. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us with more. and i think you also have breaking news. >> let me start with the fact that the federal authorities tell us they have made an arrest in the series of letters that were mailed to the president, to the new york mayor, michael bloomberg and to the mayor's office of the mayors against illegal guns here in washington, d.c. they've arrested a woman in new
boston, texas. shannon rodgers guess richardson. the odd thing about this is that initially, we're told that she had called the fbi or the police to complain that her husband had sent these letters. saying she had come back from a trip, she found ricin in the refrigerator. she found evidence that her husband had looked up ricin recipes on the computer and material about president obama. and after a thorough investigation, fbi agents combing through their house, interviewing them, subjecting them to polygraph examinations, now the federal authorities have charged her. we're told she's been arrested in arkansas and will face charges on this later today, andrea. >> that's very important news from the fbi's perspective. they've been trying to crack that case, let's hope they've got the right person this time. now to the leaks. and obviously the intelligence community did not want any of this to come out. the "washington post" said that the reporting on prism and
blarney, the two programs came from a disgruntled intelligence officer. what are the federal officials saying today? >> i think number one you can expect there to be a leak investigation. they haven't confirmed one yet. but obviously there's great unhappiness about the fact that both of these programs have become public. but the intelligence community really and the administration is trying now to give a fuller explanation of how these work. and in the main, here's what they say about the phone thing. they say yes, we do gather all the information about phone numbers and what numbers they call. no numbers associated with them. they say that is not material that is sifted through, that there's no data mining with that data. that it just sits there in the government data banks and can only be accessed when there is reasonable credible information to believe that there's a phone number that they obtain separately through a separate investigation, maybe it's found in a safe house. and they can then only access
the database if they have that carefully considered reason to look into the database. and if they find american about americans, it has to be turned over to the fbi who would then do a separate investigation. so they say the data is not sifted through or mined. now as for the internet program, the second thing that was disclosed this week. they say that's aimed at internet communications overseas. that it's intended to look at and it's not, it's not unlike the phone thing, it's not a huge collection, they're not vacuuming up vast amounts of data. they say only when they have a specific tasking, a suspected say terrorist email address or mail drop box or internet site or chat room or exchange of pictures, will they then task the, the internet service providers. to let them look at those sigte. so in both cases, they say it's
not active monitoring of u.s. communications. >> one of the issues that's come up is the matter of credibility. senator wyden a member of the intelligence committee last march had this exchange with director of national intelligence, general clapper. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions of hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not witnessingly. wittingly. there are cases where it could inadvertently perhaps collect. but not wittingly. >> now apparently the general has tried to clarify that later, pete, indicating that he wasn't talking about the telephone sweep, the vacuuming up of telephone records. he thought he was being asked about emails. and content, which is a different thing. but he had to clarify that later last night. and this has created a problems,
perceptual problems coming after the irs controversies and the overreach perhaps on leak investigations that the government, that there is a big brother aspect to this and an invasion of privacy. >> and perhaps more fundamentally, some people, some members of congress, others are not willing to to basically take the government's word when it says trust us. we only look at this material when we have a legitimate reason to look at it. so little is known about this program. now dianne feinstein would say, members of congress would know more about it if they would attend the briefings on it. i've talked to other members say they've tried very hard to find out details and it's not easy. undoubt lid you'll hear more calls in the coming days and weeks from members of congress and others to say let's find out whether this really does conform with the law as the government says. for example, the interesting thing about the collection of all this data, the normal rule is you can't get the data from
the companies unless you have a relevant investigation. you say it's related to an investigation, we have reason to think this data would help us. does that justify this kind of bulk collection? that's a big question. >> pete williams, are you going to be watching this pursuing it and reporting on it all day. joining me now is someone who has been there. jeremy bash. he served as the former general counsel, chief counsel on the house intelligence committee. chief of staff at the c.i.a. and the department of defense. you recently left government. so u know what we're talking about here. do you does it work and how are people to be assured that the government is not big brother? >> well andrea, let's take a specific example. let's say we get a tip from a foreign intelligence service that a phone call is coming in from yemen at 2:45 today. to a disposable phone in texas. what we have to do is take the entire database and interrogate the database and look for that pattern. we don't know their names or phone numbers, we don't know anything other than what i just described.
the only way to do that if if you have all the records in one place at that time. if you're looking for a needle in a haystack, you need a haystack. >> and what you're telling me is that, all that data remains in the government computers, these super computers and you don't go after it unless you know there's a reason? >> you've got to have a reason, you've got to have a reason to go and look for a pattern or a particular set of calls. and if you want to intercept the content of those calls, you've got to go back to the fisa judges, the federal judges who sit on that foreign intelligence surveillance court and get a particularized warrant detailing what you're going to listen to for what duration based on what. and it's sworn out in an affidavit by the attorney general and by the justice department and by all the relevant senior leaders of the government and given to the fisa court and overseen by congress. i can't think of a better, more robust set of oversight than we have on these programs. >> you could argue that the fisa
judge is not hearing from the other side. he's only hearing for the government. >> it is ex parte and that's true. but that's the big bargain we set up when congress passed the foreign intelligence surveillance act back in the '70s. which is if the government wanted to listen to the conversations that people suspected of being foreign agents, suspected of being spies, suspected of being terrorists, then we had to have some oversight. we couldn't just let nsa run and do the interception. so we did, we struck the compromise and we let judges in and we put congress in and those two pillars really provide the assurance. i know it's frustrating because people can't learn all the details. perhaps there can be a debate. in fact the president said he welcome as debate on national security. i think every lawsuit in america is probably rereading the supreme court case of smith versus maryland from 1979, which said you don't have a fourth amendment privacy interest in the phone records kept by the local phone company. that was before the age of cell phones and internet that was before all of our mobile devices.
so it's probably time for the courts to review the privacy interest in those records. >> this is what the president had to say about the brouhaha and the leaks and the concerns people have about their privacy. >> nobody is listening to your telephone calls. that's not what this program is about. as was indicated what the intelligence community is doing. is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. they are not looking at people's names and they're not looking at content. >> now of course senator obama in 2005 voted against authorization for these approvals. because he thought there was an invasion of privacy. that changed at some point during the 2008 campaign. and the american people have supported these programs in the
past from what they knew about them. i don't think anybody knew publicly how widespread the data collection is. but how is prism, how are prism and blarney different? that's a separate program. >> well first on the database program, you're right, this isn't new. this is "u.s.a. today" article from may 2006. i remember i was on capitol hill when this came out. the headline is, nsa has massive database of americans' phone calls. this story has been around eight years and it's been carefully overseen by the courts and by congress. as for the internet programs, there you need a particularized warrant. that part of the statute, that clapper described last night, section 702 of the foreign intelligence surveillance act which i helped draft. that requires a particularized warrant. if you want to listen to someone who you suspect is overseas. who is a potential terrorist, who is non-american you've got to go to the court and get a specific warrant to listen to
those phone calls. >> now you could be listening to a call of a foreigner talking to an american here. >> yes, you could. >> that could be the case. >> this does come at a very awkward time. the president is in california, he's going to be meeting in autumn can of hours with president xi. we wanted to put the chinese on the defensive. and now you've got the president of china not even wanting to stay overnight in sunnylands, what's that all about? >> i think the agenda with china is pretty broad. i think it will deal with the situation in north korea. i think it's going to deal with the maritime situation in the south china sea and it will deal with the issue of cyberattacks. what we're concerned about is china's theft of our intellectual property and our economic secrets and we're very concerned. because so many of the attacks have come from people and organizations associated with the chinese military and the chinese government. i would say more broadly, the issue of cyberattacks against our country is a very serious issue. it's probably the thing that
keeps most of our national leaders up at night and the attacks that have happened on wall street in the last six to eight months have not come from china, they've come from places like iran and others and we have to have integrated cyberdefense system in our country. and ironically, one thing i fear, andrea, is that a lot of this discussion about the nsa programs will erode confidence in the men and women at nsa up at fort mead who raise their hand and take an oath to protect the constitution. if we're going to have cyber legislation, we have to have confidence in their act to protect us. i think that legislation is going to struggle now. >> it would give the nsa a role in,ing would with corporate america to have better protections, better firewalls against outside attacks. >> and the nsa and with dhs and the fbi and other agencies, they are confident they know what they're doing. they are sworn to uphold the constitution and they're very good and when there are mistakes and there have been mistakes, congress can see it there can be
oversight. . courts can step in and there can be corrections. the system isn't perfect. no system is perfect. but it's a good system. >> jeremy, one last question, if you were president xi and you knew what we do in terms of eavesdropping, would you want to stay at sunnylands? or would you be going to the hyatt? >> well i think first of all, i think he would be somewhat on the defensive because he knows his own government, he has a problem. >> so if he spies, he figures we spy. >> but it's two different kinds of looks. it's espionage against our economic secrets and then there's getting ready for the summit. >> yeah getting ready for the summit can just imagine. >> the shirt sleeve summit. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, andrea. >> let me bring in jamal joffer. the deputy legal counsel, legal director of the aclu from new york. well you heard the conversation just now. do you have confidence that the administration can be transparent enough given what we
now know about what's been going on? >> obviously, we wouldn't know any of this but for the leaks. and i heard the president earlier today, say that he welcomes the debate. you know, with respect, i think it's a little late to welcome the debate. i think that the public should have known at least at a general level a long time ago. there should have been disclosure at a general level of what kinds of surveillance the dna intended to engage in, so we could have a public debate about whether that surveillance was necessary, whether it was lawful. whether it was wise. and i think you know everybody accepts that there has to be some degree secrecy around specific investigations. but it's a totally different thing to say, the public has no right to know what the nsa is doing even at any level. even when it implicates ordinary people's privacy. one of the things we've seen in the last couple of days, at least some of what the nsa is doing has huge implications for ordinary americans' individual privacy. the program ha was disclosed by
the guardian a couple of days ago is a program in which the government collects information about every single phone call. domestic or international that an american makes. not the content of the call. but who you called. the duration of the call, where you were when you maded call, all of that goes into a government database. that's really unprecedented. i don't know of any other country that's ever subjected its own citizens it that kind of surveillance. in part because they don't have the technology. in part because other democratic knts have recognized there theres's real problems and dangers of investing that kind of power into a government. >> let me play another part of what the president said about the stories that have been reported over the last 48 hours. >> i want to be very clear. hype that we've been hearing over the last day or so. nobody is listening to the content of people's phone calls. this program by the way, is
fully overseen not just by congress, but by the fisa court. >> what's your response to that, jamal? >> you know, i think it's a very misleading thing to say that this is a program that is fully overseen by congress on the fisa court. many members of congress have already said they didn't know the details of the program. some members of congress who did know the details raised concerns about it. senators udall and wyden have been saying for months that the government is interpreting the law in a way that would shock the american public. they haven't been free to discuss the details. but they have been saying that for months. and in terms of the courts, the only court that oversees this program is the fisa court. which is a court that meets in secret, allows only the government to appear before it. and very rarely publishes its own decisions. when we tried to challenge the constitutionality of some of the surveillance in ordinary federal court, the government said you don't have the right to be in
court because you can't show that your own communications were monitored. and we're not going to tell you whether your communications were monitored. that's a state secret. so the government has been very successful, that argument actually prevailed at the supreme court earlier this year, 5-4. and the government has been very successful at keeping these kinds of programs safe from judicial review, they've been very successful at limiting congressional oversight and the result is, the only reason that we learn about any of this stuff, is through the kinds of leaks that have happened over the last couple of days. >> jamal, thank you very much. thanks for your contribution to this debate. and we'll be right back. and she's not exactly tidy. even if she gets a stain she'll wear it for a week straight. so i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft. since i'm the one who has to do the laundry. i do what any expert dad would do. i let her play sheriff. i got 20 minutes to life. you are free to go.
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welcomed a debate about leaks. >> i don't welcome leaks. because there's a reason why these programs are classified. i think there's a suggestion that somehow any classified program is a quote unquote secret program. which means it's somehow suspicious. and the fact of the matter is, in our modern history, there are a whole range of programs that have been classified because of when it comes to for example, fighting terror -- our goal is to stop folks from doing us harm. and if every step that we're taking to try to prevent a terrorist act is on the front page of the newspapers or on television, then presumably the people who are trying to do us
harm are going to be able to get around our preventive measures. >> joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and managing editor of postpolitics.com and nbc capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell. chris, what is the political fallout from all this? >> well, you know, and you kra, look, i can only, i say this based on what we know of situations like this in the past. it's almost impossible to analyze the political fallout. in the last 48 hours, so much has come out. whether it's the nine internet companies, or the verizon phone records. broadly what i would say and what we have seen since september 11th, whether it's the patriot act, debate over drones, is there is a concern broadly in the american public, about the government's involvement in and ability to sort of monitor in a very vague sense, monitor what we're doing. but, that is always, or at least
has been to this point, trumped by the desire of the american public to be safe. so when you have elected officials, whether it's director clapper, or president obama saying look, this keeps us safe, people tend to say okay, i don't love it but i like it more than worrying about a future attack. >> kelly o'donnell is the other news that john mccain, dianne feinstein and white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonough are heading down to gitmo to take a look at the continuing hunger strike, 42 out of 100 and some prisoners are on strike and those 52 of those prisoners that were supposed to go back to yemen have been approved to go and are among the hunger strikers. >> by taking a trip like this they want to shine a light on this situation. get a chance to see firsthand what the situation is. they've been certainly senator feinstein most recently reached out to tom donnellen in the white house, asking for clarification about this. to try to move forward on
closing guantanamo bay. so this is a way to bring attention and they have been big voices on this subject. >> does this mean possibly that john mccain would help bridge the divide and build some support on his side of the aisle for closing guantanamo? >> he has had a complicated position on that for working with some of his colleagues. because he has a different point of view with his own life experience than some of his colleagues. having been a prisoner of war and taking a tough position on matters like torture. that some of his republican colleagues don't agree with. but this is one of those ways to keep the pressure on, to keep the public attention on it and to see a bipartisan visit like this and a white house chief of staff. which we don't often see on these visits, that's interesting. >> it's very interesting indeed. kelly o'donnell, chris cillizza, see you later. when he first took office back in 1955 at the age of 29 to succeed his father, dwist david
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joining me now is new jersey congressman chris smith. the top house republican on the congressional executive commission on china. thanks so much, congressman for being with us. what would you like to see the president do in this summit with president xi on the human rights issue, which has been your main concern. >> it certainly is and there has been, andrea, a very serious deterioration over the last four years of human rights respect, the persecution has increased,
the falun gong, the dalai lama's people, the tibetan buddhists, everywhere you look there's been a serious ratcheting up of the persecution, forced abortion has gotten worse. gendercide, the missing girls and the administration has put human rights on a back bench or given it a back seat approach. even hillary clinton said on her way to beijing first time, we're not going to let human rights interfere with important issues, i believe there's a lot of important issues but human rights should be at the core. my president hope is that the president will make a serious request. a man's nephew is being tortured. the nobel peace prize winner remains incarcerated and his wife is under house arrest. release the great individuals, men and women suffering for democracy and unfortunately i'm
worried there will be a superficial apro-am where some passing reference to human rights rather than deeds, release the prisoners and an easing of these terrible abuses. >> according to records, china is granting passports to chang wan chang's mother, how do you see that in. >> it's a token sign. it's chen's nephew who is being tortured and really as a surrogate for, a place-holder for chen himself. because they tortured him for 51 months in prison and then for many months afterwards under house arrest. for defending women against forced abortion. chen's nephew is now the place-holder and they have tortured him, let chen qu kway out. and other political dissidentses like the defender of the falun gong, the human rights
defenders, the lawyers, men and women who stand up for those beleaguered and try 0 assert their rights, they're the number one targets in china today. we need to say no tokenism we need real systemic change. this dictatorship survives. my hearing on monday made it clear some of the witnesses were very knowledgeable and tiananmen square survivors. that this dictatorship relies on exports and the money gleaned from those exports for its very survival and sustainability. without that, they crumble. so we do have some real levers at our disposal, some tools to use. but first and foremost, release these prisoners and stop the abuse of women. >> 600 women per day exit suicide in china as a direct result of the forced abortion policy. they're missing maybe 100 million girls who have been killed simply because they're girls. the increase in sex trafficking, the ploeexplosion of the buying
selling and commodity of women. and i wrote the trafficking act to fight against sex and labor trafficking. china now is the premiere example of trafficking as a direct result of the one child per couple policy. mr. president, raise the issues boldly, not in passing, let president xi know that these are huge priorities for the american public. and for the presidency. this back bench approach. this somewhere on page 5 i got to mention human rights, which has been their approach doesn't work. >> chris smith, thank you very much. congressman chris smith from new jersey. and we'll be right back. the. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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secure and the stuff when you start digging into the legislation, it's stricter than anything we've seen before. there's millions of dollars going into everything from drones to increased border enforcement. i think they're playing hardball, trying to get as much as you can. as you do with any negotiations and the democrats are standing firm saying we've given a lot, let's make sure we pass this. at the end of the day, the american people are looking for this to be passed. >> this is a negotiating tactic. and actually in our nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. my recollection is there isn't as much strong support for passing this. it's gone from 65, down to 52%. the wording was changed. in it's in terms of support, the wording was changed. in terms of legalization. >> right, but i think the fact that 52% of the american people believe there should be a pathway to citizenship for the legislation is critical. because absent citizenship pathway, what we're going to have is basically a permanent underclass of people living within our borders and that's not good for anybody, we're
going back into history. i do think what we need is to make sure that there is bipartisan support when it comes to the house. we're looking at 60 votes so we can make sure it passes the filibuster and people are ambitious and saying we're going to get up to 70, i don't know if we're going to get to 70, i think that's definitely what we'd like, it sends a clear message to the house, that this is something that needs to get passed. >> and if it doesn't. >> if it doesn't, well in real trouble. but i think the ones in real trouble are going to be the republicans. it's on the heels of the 2014 election and they're trying to demonstrate to the latino community and to the asian community that they care about immigration reform and they'd like to compete for the votes. >> maria theresa, thank you very much.
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latest cover. that's a little strange. a little edgy. joining me now, james fallows from the "atlantic" and chris johnson from the center for the strategic and international studies and first, ian williams live in beijing. ian, set the stage for us. >> hi, andrea. well certainly here there's a lot of attention on the summit because it's so rare for a chinese leader to go and take part in such an informal setting. previous summits, you'll recall hu jintao, a very stiff, wooden leader, you'd never have seen him at something like this. protocol was all-important back then. the chinese are seeing this as they say, setting a new kind of great power relationship. it's not clear what that means. but the newspaper here have been full of it. that may not be quite what the american side expect, because the chinese see that as affording them a great deal of respect. giving them more elbow room. recognizing their place as a great emerging power.
what the chinese won't be so willing to talk about in detail of course, is the issue of cyberspying. cybersecurity, which the americans are keen on. they will want to talk about north korea. because they'll want to take credit for, for pushing back for as they see it, lowering the tone of the north korea rhetoric. by it's very nature, the summit is going to be wide-ranging, there's no agenda, there's no script and it's very unusual for a chinese leader to take part in this sort of, this sort of meeting. for the first time, we'll be seeing pong li wang, a celebrity in her own right, a singer in the past. more famous than her husband before he became a top political leader and she's taken the media here by storm. china has a high-profile, glamorous first lady. there was a lot of anticipation about her meeting michelle obama. but of course, that won't happen
and it's provoked a few growns on the internet here, andrea. >> there's a picture of pong, thank you to ian williams and chris johnson here as well. xi is someone who was singing for the troops for the soldiers after tiananmen, so she had a controversial background but she is now very glamorous. we've seen her just during this trip through central america. how unusual is it for a chinese leader to bring his wife? >> well when hu jintao came for state visits to see barack obama, he came by himself, mrs. huh was not there it's a sign of difference in bearing that xi jinping will have than the previous administration, we'll see how much difference it makes in opening up the chinese system or dealing with the outside world. but from the western point of view, it's a refreshing change to have someone who seems like an actual human being in the job. >> chris, it's unusual also that he's bringing his wife, yet it's
not going to be a double date. it's an informal summit, unscripted, in sunnylands, at the annenberg estate. no michelle obama, her kids are finishing up school. is that considered a snub? >> the chinese realize they don't have any control over that situation, i think potentially it's a missed opportunity. here you have two powerful women as the piece pointed out. pyung is seen as an empowering figure and so as michelle obama. so it's a slightly missed opportunity for this informal environment and to have these two interesting and powerful women get to know each other. >> you've spent so many years in china with your family, you're writers and experts on all of this. what about the missed opportunity? >> i think that actually the gained opportunity is at least offsets the missed opportunity. this was not originally a planned meeting. president xi was making his first western hemisphere visit to mexico and various places in the caribbean. this was thrown on as an extra meeting for him with the
president. not a formal state visit, but a visit at sunnylands, so i think that outweighs the any snub by the first ladies. >> but michelle obama is not there. >> it's a second-tier issue. it's important that the leaders actually talk with each other and a chance for the president, u.s. president to register the cyberissue. complex of course because of the nsa issues for the last couple of days in the u.s. but becoming an increasingly volatile point of contention between the u.s. and china. >> we're told by the white house that the president is going to make an issue of cyberattacks. and the vulnerability and is going to say you know, if you won't take responsibility or if you won't acknowledge that it's the chinese military doing this out of a building in shanghai, you have to take responsibility for what comes from within your borders. is that a fair assessment? >> i think it's fair for the president to say that. and probably informally to make the point to president xi, that this is becoming a tremendous brand liability for china.
vowing the chinese government. i think the chinese government can see as a problem for them in the strategic sense. >> what about the other issues, chris, in terms of what the president wants to accomplish here? it's unusual, he was frustrated. presummit meetings. she really wants to go off, off the the talking points. established a established a pat doing this. the first time we saw this was his coming out party of february of last year. he went to be iowa where he visited when he was a much younger man. he went to a lakers game in l.a.
he's a different kind of guy. i think the challenge for president obama is how does he press for progress on these see substantive issues. he was forced to talk about these issues in the nitty gritty details rather than how to move the relationship forward. >> fascinating agenda. >> thank you for being with us. we'll be right back. got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you.
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