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re ready for retirement, we'll help you get there. hi, everyone. i'm tamron hall. the "newsnation" is following breaking news out of philadelphia. the 10-year-old pennsylvania girl whose namely has been fighting to get a lung transplant is in surgery right now. sarah murnaghan's family has been battling rules that deny kids under 12 from receiving organs from adult donors. her mother broke the news on facebook just a short time ago. her message in short reets in part god is great. he moved the mountain. sarah got the call. please pray for sarah's donor.
her hero who has given her the gift of life. today their family has experience add tremendous loss, my god grant them a peace that surpasses understanding. he says i am deeply grateful to the organ donor and his or her family for the potentially rife saving gift to sarah now that a suitable donor has been found, a prayer would help too. a prayer sayre raf's body accepts the new organ the way doctors believe it can. let's talk about it. sarah's surgery will take eight hours, nine hours? >> it's a complicated procedure. when they take an adult's lung and put it in a child, they take out a few lobes. it's not an entire lung so that makes it an extraordinarily complex surgery. >> she went in around noon
eastern time. what we don't know is whether or not this donor was an adult or a child. >> it in all probability was an adult. all the furor about this case is children are not allowed to be at the top of the adult donor's list for the reasons that i just described, it's a much more complex complication and it's likely to work much more in an adult to an adult. that's why it takes so long because very few baby donors or child donors become available. >> for those who are not following this, their daughter suffers severe cystic fibrosis. she needed this surgery as soon as possible to save her life. this is part of the conversation, when you take an adult lung and place it in a child, you say there's only been one? >> there's only been one suck sisful cases in history so the chances of it working are -- first of all, our hopes and prayers have to go out to this
child. >> absolutely. >> but the -- on the other side of that is that the transplant waiting list has endless very sad stories and there are never enough organs to go around and a lot of people are upset about this case because it did involve as you pointed out a u.s. senator, it did involve the courts, and it involved a lot of publicity. and there are far too organs available for the people who need it. and when you get all these other organizations involved in medicine it create as what many seem as a slippery slope. >> 1,700 people are waiting for lung transplants. in sarah's region alone, 220, including six children 10 and under. as you pointed out our thoughts and prayers go out for this child and the family whose member ended up being a donor, but as a medical professional wh and hearing this news, what is that? >> it's just that, we have a
problem in the united states. we have a lower donation rate than most places. we could do a lot better and that's a long con very saying, but still there are a lot of tragic stories of people of all ages who are waiting for donations and how you make that decision is never going to be an easy one. we always have to remember that because this girl got a lung, somebody else didn't today, and that's always the way it snies bob bazell, thank you. now let me bring in david magnus. he's a professor for biomedics at stanford university. professor, thank you for your time. you are one of those who questions whether or not the judge who moved seraph to this list to make her eligible for this surgery she's having right now whether it was an ethical decision or right decision. your reaction to this breaking news now that she's in surgery. >> again, like everyone i'm hoping for the best. but the fact remains that having
a judge make the decision about how we're going to allocate organs is really a terrible way to allocate this incredibly scarce resource. it's a huge challenge for the transplant community to try to figure out how we're going to allocate the resource and be stewards of it and to be fair and the best way to do that is to have experts deliberate and develop policies that do change over time as data comes in. that's the way do it. not having a judge looking at a single individual saying you need this, i'm going to give it to you. >> sarah's doctors say she may only have weeks to live without this trance plant. officials with the national organ procurement and transplantation expert voted to create new avenues for children seeking lung transplants after now. sar sarah's family and another family were able to file lutes and get the judge to make a decision here. because the agency is saying they want to look at new avenues, is that an admission
that the system needs to be reviewed and perhaps there is a better way to keep it out of the hands of judges and there can be if the proper word is fairness here? >> yeah. so there's no question that it's appropriate to review policies, and, in fact, they do it all the time. they just changed the way they allocate kidneys in the last two years, so there's a constant look at review. >> what was the case there with the kidneys? >> they were worried that they were giving organs that had a long life to older patient and organs that had a shorter live to younger patients so they did a better job of creating the likely donor organ with the recipient. >> with this procedure and particularly the lungs in this 12-and-under rules as it is casually called, what do you see as a legitimate change that might be put into place? again, as sarah is in surgery, we do not know that it will be a
match, but her family has asked for prayers and understanding and why they fought so hard to put her in a position to where she can have a fighting chance here at life? >> well, of course, we have to always remember, from parents' point of view, if there's a 50% chance or a one in ten chance or 1 in 100 chance of saving their child, they're going to do everythiever everying they can and that's appropriate. but it's going to be to desight what will produce the best possible outcome. allowing a process where there could be an appeal for people who are really close where it's a tough call about whether somebody's just below the line and where you actually have transplant surgeons who are confident they can do the procedure, that seems like an appropriate thing to have the option for parents to make the appeal. it isn't a decision that should be made by judges or congress. it should be made by experts within the system, but having a process within the system where you allow patients to appeal on
the basis of good biological reasons that take into account the details of the donor, the recipient and the transplant team, that seems entirely appropriate. >> dr. magnus, thank you so much forrure time. we'll continue to talk about it and continue with updates. and "newsnation" is following up on breaking news in colorado where several wildfires is forcing thousands to flee from their homes and officials say the worst is yet to come. today's thunderstorms are expected to kick up winds that could fuel the fire over hot and dry areas. the out-of-control flames have already destroyed at least 80 homes and businesses and another 2,500 homes are in danger. nbc's miguel am a gear is live. it's aushl bad when officials say the worst could be upon us in the next few hours. >> reporter: yes, tamron. right now we can feel the winds
kicking up. we just returned from over the fire lines. we had a firsthand look at the damage, and i've got to be honest with you. it is really evident and it goes on for block after block after block. we counted dozens of homes completely destroyed. many of them still smouldering this afternoon. we were with fire crews on the front lines doing what they could to beat back hot spots. we were also with cruise forced to evacuate more homeowners behind the fire lines. it is an indication how serious they're taking this fire. there are about 150 firefighters who are on the front lines today. that number will likely increase over the next couple of days, but i've got to tell you resources are stretched thin in this region. there are four major wildfires that have broke out in colorado. the biggest concern is here outside colorado springs because as you mentioned nearly 100 homes have been damaged or destroyed. fire crews are worried that number will climb. they haven't had a good chance to assess the damage from the air. they're actually going right now
from house to house, red tagging properties, figuring out just how widespread this damage is. they hope to have a better accurate account later on today. of course, the big active concern is this fire. it is still burning. it is still out of control. containment. that means the lines the firefighters have built around this fire is at 0%. so this fire is a big threat tonight and it's still on the run, tamron. >> all right, miguel. thank you very much. we'll have updates throughout the day, of course, on the fierks especially given the circumstances of the winds pick ki kicking u. and washington is bullying to extradite him. this is something that edward snowden is saying in a new interview. we'll have the latest on both ends of this conversation. plus -- it's been 24 hours since we saw these dramatic images of protesters clashing with riot police in turkey. well now turkey's prime minister
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a location misunderstand my intentions. i would rather stay and fight the united states and government in courts because i have faith in hong kong's rules and laws. he plans to stay in hong kong until he's asked to leave. right now on capitol hill general keith alexander is about to testify before a planned meeting of the senate appropriations meeting. it's the first time an nsa official is publicly answers questions since the details of the agency's phone and internet program were released last week. we'll keep an eye on that and bring you anything necessary. joining me in the interim is michael hirsch, chief correspondent. let's start out with this brand-new interview with edward snowden. he insists he's hiding out and continues to hide out in hong kong. what do you make of the interview and words of them? >> frankly, tamron, he sounds like a very naive young man. i don't know what he thinks he's
going get in terms of protection from hong kong, but there is an extradition treaty with the united states with the exception for political crimes. i don't think anyone is going to be seeing this as a political crime. i think he's likely to be charged with espionage and possibly tree zon. an extradition request will go through and it's highly luckily that the hong kong government backed by the united states will send him back to the u.s. so he's making a stand now with these statements, but i think he is perhaps deluding himself if he thinks that this small former british colony is going to afford him any protection. >> he's also aware of some people questioning his choice of hong kong to seek justice. he acknowledges that in these new comments, but he also goes on as i read and i heard to say i have faith in hong kong's rule and law, obviously an appeal to anyone within the government who
might be empathetic to his cause, which is also an interesting tactic there, knowing the treaties that are in place. here's a man who fled there. surely he's done his research on where he might have an opening. >> yeah. well, look. you know, hong kong has a special place in the hearts of some libertarian thinkers going back to milton friedman, the famous free market economist. perhaps this is what's on snowden's mind. we don't know. we know he at one point gave money to the political campaign of ron paul, a libertarian candidate for president. so, you know, perhaps he has a soft place in his heart for hong kong, but we have to bare in mind this is a small place. it is, you know, a somewhat free economy and its government under the agreement with china from 1997 when it was passed over as a colony is allowed to conduct its own business but it is nonetheless part of china and i think the chinese government is
probably not going to refuse u.s. request for extradition. >> michael, as i mentioned, keith alexander at this preplanned hearing on cyber security he's likely to take part in the nsa program and part of the question you have is learn i whether the program is constitutional and whether you challenge that and the debate over who snowden is but also how he got access to this information and how many other so-called i.t. people, which is what essentially he's been described as, would have access to both of these very sensitive programs, and there needs to be something explained there. >> oh, very much so, tamron. i think you're going to see dramatic changes in the clearing and vetting process in terms of the kinds of security clearance people get, particularly when it comes to contractors like booz allen hamilton, the company snowden worked for. there are literally tens of thousands of these contractors
that might be in some way clued in to, you know, various clearance levels. we don't know exactly what happened here because professional people and intelligence says that snowden should not have been cleared as high as he was to gain all the access that he had to that information. >> michael, thank you for your time. we certainly appreciate it. >> thank you. an uneasy calm on the streets in istanbul. the prime minister is now willing to meet with, quote, legitimate protesters. police in turkey cleared out protesters as they cleared taksim square with tear gas and water cannons. according to the news foundation, four people were killed in yesterday's clashes including one police officer. let's go to nbc's richard engle. he joins us live in istanbul. richard, a very different story. what can you tell me about the meeting that the prime minister is willing to have?
>> reporter: well, it's unclear the kind of meetings the prime minister is willing to have. he did meet today with some artists, some people he was describing as opposition figures. the problem is the protesters don't recognize them. they say they're not legitimate representatives of the protest movement. so the two sides aren't really talking to each other. they're talking at each other, and i think you see that right now in the square itself. there hasn't been any violence today, nothing like yesterday. and there is a standoff right now. you can sort of make it out behind you. you'll see that -- >> we've lost our connection with richard engel, who is live, for another night in istanbul. at least right now, very different than what we were covering at this very hour yesterday when the riot police moved into that square and confronted the protesters who had been there for about two
weeks. we'll continue to follow any updates that richard provides to the "newsnation" within the hour. also, nelson mandela's family is optimistic he could be leaving the hospital soochblt south african president jacob zuma says he is responding to treatment after a few difficult days. he has been in the hospital since saturday with this recurring lung infection he's been battling. many family members have been seen visiting the hospital including his former wife winnie mandela. he's in serious but stable condition. chris jansen is outside the hospital. it's surprising he could be leaving the hospital soon. >> reporter: they're hopeful of that. while it doesn't seem that that's imminent, the family did get the first bit of good news in the five days that nelson mandela has been hospitalized here when they were told he was responding to treatment. it has been a very difficult several days for them.
the hospital has been largely mum until we got this word today. and for the first time since he entered the hospital, as you said, on saturday, tamron, we also heard from a member of his family, his grandson. mamdela. here's a little bit of what he had to say outside the family homestead. >> we also want to thank the doctors who have worked around the clock to ensure that they look after him while he's in hospital. we are particularly honored to have received the creative messages from south africans as well as a global community. we want to say thank you and we appreciate all your support that you show toward our grandfather and your father because my grandfather is a father of the nation. he's embraced by the entire global community. so we appreciate this opportunity. >> reporter: there have been
literally thousands of messages pouring in from all around the world and you heard mandela referencing that. a short time ago you saw a small group of people who were surrounded by candles singing a song. it was 49 years ago that the great anti-partied leader was sentenced to prison. while in prison he contracted tuberculosis and that has been the source of the many recurring respiratory problems that he's had. we do not expect to get regular updates from the hospital. they say now they want to protect his privacy but we did see his wife graca go in earlier today. we have not seen her leave yet, so she may still be by nelson mandela's side. >> all right. chris, thank you very much. now, this comes after the head of the armed services committee, democrat carl levin,
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during the third days of his murder selection during jury trial. he was asked if he understood the selection process so far. >> your attorney's made some decisions about some potential jurors. have they discussed those with you. >> yes, your honor. >> are you satisfied with those decisions? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you very much. you may be seated. >> the jurors were then questioned about what newscasts they watch, newspapers they read and what they see online. the first juror introduced was juror e-73. >> the context is whether or not you think there was race that played in this case. >> i didn't really think that race had -- certainly there is a racial element to the case, there's two different races involved but i didn't think that's the reason that something
happened. >> once 30 potential jurors had been picked a second stage of questioning will start up. george zumerman has pleaded not guilty. he claims it was in self-defense. trayvon martin was unarmed. kerry sanders is in sanford, florida. there's what we heard with that potential juror there regarding race. >> reporter: indeed. the goal is to seat six jurors. at first many of them filled out questionnaires. we now know that 71 potential jurors have already been excluded, and they've gone through about 20 right now in actual questions. some of them were excluded just by the way they answered those question nars based on what their opinions were of the case. the goal here is not to have
jurors who have an empty mind, just that they have an open mind, that they can listen to the facts and then accept them in just the courtroom. now, in this process, it is the first time that these potential jurors who may become jurors have an opportunity to meet both the prosecutor and the defense team, and so the prosecutor and the defense are quite often smiling, very genial. this is sort of the relationship building that they may have with who may be the next one ofs they potential jurors. so it was very interesting to see today some testy moments where the defense and the prosecution sort of revealed a lot of the animosity that we've seen before this part of the trial began. take a listen for yourself. >> are you aware of any sort of public demonstrations or protests -- >> objection. he's interjecting fact as opposed to asking the witness what he remembered. >> i'll sustain. >> did you read anything or hear anything on tv about any demonstrations or protests? >> i would object.
>> sustained. >> are you leaning one way or another as to whether this was self-defense or not? do you think it could be self-defense? >> objection, your honor. improper. >> sustained. >> reporter: at at other times there were actually these moments where the prosecutor was shaking his head, raising his hands in sort of a question mark fashion. that's the first time we've seen it in this process. we've certainly seen animosity on both sides leading atom this. seating the jury is the goal here. there will be six jurors, six alternates. it's a process that could take two weeks. we're watching it happen extremely slow here, tamron. >> thank you. with us here george burress. george zimmerman has sued the network for defamation. you saw there the testy exchange
between both sides of the attorneys there. more is to come, we're certain of that, given all of the things that have led up to this trial. but i want to play a little bit of what happened with a juror that was dismissed regarding comments made that murder is murder. let me play this exchange. >> i don't have an actual opinion about this actual case but i do have an opinion about murder. murder's murder. >> okay. murder's murder. >> murder's murder. even in self-defense it still doesn't make it right. >> now, do you understand there is a law of self-defense? right? you eastward heard of it in concept. >> yeah. >> do you understand that in order for the juror to serve on this jury they giev to listen to all the law. >> mm-hmm. >> whatever the law is the judge gives to you. can you do that? >> i don't see why not, but i still think even in self-defense murder's still murder. >> so, john, there you have it.
you said before that guns will be a central part of this and the self-defense law stand your ground could be something that stands in the minds there. that's a very strong opinion. >> that's something that will not survive. they have fix ed opinions about the law and they're unwilling to receive it. you have to look at it whether they're being truthful about it. notwithstanding i think each side agrees it's not worth the effort to keep trying to find this person -- qualify this person when you've got a lot of other people to deal with, therefore you let this person go. that's the kind of mindset you have to worry about on either side. >> you talk about mindsets. juror number i-75 told the court she had no conclusion. let me play some of her questioni questioning. >> those ones i thought were
just a little bit ridiculous. i understand that that may -- that was what he was wearing the night he was shot, but to they -- to then go ahead and turn around and say that black people are being victimized or that he was targeted because he was looking shady or something like that is correct i thought it was a little, i guess, overwhelming. i think -- a lot of people may -- did go ahead and wear the hoodies and things like that, symbolizing, you know, his passing as well as i guess the coming together of the black community, but i just -- i thought it was a little bit ridiculous. and then people have already formed an opinion can't really say. don't know what happened. >> so she was asked, john, tell me what you thought about the picture with the solidarity photographed about trayvon or hoodies or everything that it relates to. >> yeah.
interesting because she essentially understands that they're stereo typing issues that could be there, that could be harmless, but she essentially rejects it and says that should not in any way affect a judgment that she might have. so in many ways she's a thoughtful person. she's not willing to accept stereotypes it looks like on both sides, so she could be an acceptable juror depending on the answer she gives. >> all right. john burris, day three of this process. thank you very much sir. >> thank you. developing news out of boston. president obama moments ago. why our first three team says this race is a lot different from the one two years ago when republican scott walker stunned democrats with his big senate victory. ready? happy birthday!
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a minute to go. the senate around services began meeting with what will include how the military will deal with the growing number of sexual assault cases. it comes day after carl levin dismissing kristin jill brapt's proposal to turn it over to special prosecutors. instead senator levin sided with top pentagon officials. >> i do not support removing authority of commanders to prosecute sexual assault cases and putting the decision in hands of military lawyers outside the chain of command as the personnel subcommittee provision would do. i believe that doing so would weaken our response to sexual assault and actually make it
less likely. sexual assaults would be prosecuted. >> and here is senator gillibrand only minutes ago. >> to reverse this crisis, i do not believe it will be enough if we do not seize the opportunity and embrace the kind of systemic reform fa will truly increase the accountability and objectivity and trust in the military justice system by having trained legal military professionals handle the serious crimes from the beginning. this is not a radical idea. >> joining me live now kelly o'donnell. you see tradition versus change. even the themed dynamic of male lawmakers versus fee mail lawmakers. and their observations of what will change or what will stop this crisis.
>> reporter: tamron, there's so many broader reference points that we bring when we're looking at it. people of the military -- and i know you're daughter of the military, so you have a sense of what chain of command means -- there are different interpretations. it's gotten to such a point that there is broad recognition that something needs to be done, but what to do is a much more complex problem. and what you see happening before our eyes right now in this important committee meeting that will deal with funding for the department of defense is two interpretations and it is bipartisan, although more democrats supported kirsten gillibrand wanting to take the more serious crimes out of the chain of command, not disrupting all of it. there are also democrats along with carl levin that an incremental step makes more sense going forward. what kirsten gillibrand has been successful in doing along with two dozens other is bring this issue to the point of a
commonsense argument. for civilians it's hard to understand getting it out of the chain of command. some of it is harder to interpret when it's from the outside. she's gotten a lot of atej and that may help to shape what changes they do make going forwa forward. you have other democrats like claire mccaskill who was vocal. there was some mistrust that when the brass showed up that perhaps their pressure had greater influence in this process than maybe there should have been. that's open to people's turn preation. it's a complex problem. there's a lot of history here, and they're trying to do something about it. a lot of debate over what that something should be. >> all right. and it deserves debate, all right, and solution. thank you very much, kelly. and the first witness takes the stand of trial legendary mobster whitey bulger. he wants the world to know he's
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developing now president obama is campaigning in massachusetts for democrat ed markey running for an open seat in an upcoming election in two weeks. mr. obama got the audience cheering when listing markey's political accomplishments. >> he's been steady, and he's been constant, working on your behalf. he's been strong, and he's been principled. and that's the kind of leader we need right now. >> the visit comes one day after markey and republican gabriel clashed. but our first read team asks will lightning strike twice for republicans. the answer, probably not if you compare january 2010 to now. joining me now live, nbc news
senior political editor mark murray. mark murray, you brought up a couple of things on that list when you compare then to now. >> one of the reasons scott towne ended up winning that upset in 2010, tamron, was a perfect storm defense. the democrat martha coakley was a weak one. it was the height of the scrutiny over the health care law. and, oh, by the way, the unemployment because was close to 10%. when you look at all the situations now, they're not the same, which is why ed markey has the advantage in this race. it's not a slam dunk which was the reason the president was campaigning today. both ed markey and gabriel gomez are not the strongest candidates. >> when you look at the poll, markey, 46%, gomez, 39%. this bite is intriguing to me because it brings in some of the news eventses of the day
regarding washington, d.c., mistrust of the government, and even ed snowden. let me play it. >> or d yu trust d.c., congress and marngy? we've had people down to d.c. in 40 years. if they resigned -- >> i think nsa and snowden is just a direction reflection of what's going on down in d.c. you know, in the campaign that the congressman markey, who -- i'm sorry, sir, you are washington, d.c. that's the lack of confidence of what's going on down there. >> a lot of things that scott brown tried to bring up, he was the outsider, looking out for massachusetts, not caught up in the beltway. you see gabriel gomez and others try to follow that playbook. >> markey and democratic playbook is to say, look, we're the democrats in this state that
president obama ended up getting 61% of the vote. that's why i'm campaigning today. president obama made no mistake in stating ed markey is a democrat, a democrat he supports. that's the two dynamics at play. who would you rather be? i think it shows you'd rather be the democrat in the race than the republican who's railing against washington. >> coming up, our "newsnation" gut check. the 10-year-old pennsylvania girl whose family fought the rules that prevented her from getting an adult lung transplant is in surgery right now. do you think this case will lead to permanent changes in the rules for transplant? and be sure to like the "newsnation" on facebook. we're at facebook.com/"newsnation." my new hearing aids instantly changed my life. i feel so much younger. my husband has his confidence back. and he can enjoy the laughter of our grandkids again. i can have fun with my friends again.
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trials in boston has finished for the day. following 16 years on the lam. in an opening statement the federal prosecutors told jurors he headed the violent winter hill gang that ran amok killing 19 people, exported millions and corrupting police and fbi agents. meanwhile the prosecution went after a star witness, a hit man who admits killing 20 people and agrees to testify against bulger. joining me live is milton. it's interesting. i read an art cal that says whitey bulger's attorney says he's not a stool pigeon, not a snitch out of all of this. >> right. i think whitey bulger kind of
wants to put things in his own way to say he wasn't a snitch, he was working for the fbi, and he led the fbi in different ways but he wasn't a snitch either. i think whitey bulger has learned a lot about what the public thinks of him and thing his lawyers are trying to get that out in trial. boston knows of whitey bulger, the winter hill gang and his fbi involvement. >> i'm seeing recent interviews with them, still heartbroken by the loss and angry that whitey bulger was linked to the fbi and that's a big part of this case as well. his relationship with the fbi that was so legend ertha was even depicted, as you know, in a major movie. >> right. i think this is bigger than whitey bulger. you have the scandal where an fbi agent went to jail for
protecting this informant. others have admitted to it. and, you know, they're testifying against him for immunity. so this is a dark time in fbi's history and we have the story of whitey bulger, a myth logical figure. what's key to keep in mind there are 19 murders. so aside from this mythological figure he's an alleged murderer and think prosecutors tried to stress that today. >> real quick, what was his demean nor in court today? >> like he has been, he's kind of sat back. this is one of the situations where he can't say anything. you can see frustration on his face at times where there are people saying a hot lot of different things about him and he has to sit there and take it. he was 16 years on the lam, he had his girlfriend and his own public persona of who he thought he was and we know during his time in boston he ran rackets. he was whitey, the head of the winter hill gang and the head of
the mob boss. so for him to have to sit there and willen to this as a murderer who killed women, you could see the frustration but he has to sit there quietly, and he has been. >> all right, milton. thank you for the update. time now for a gut check on "newsnation." sarah murnaghan, the 10-year-old girl whose family fought to get her on the adult transplant list is in surgery after a donor was found. is surgery is expected to last six hours. last week a federal judge ruled on saryr sarah's behalf. the donor of sarah's new lungs was indeed an adult. what does your gut tell you? do you think sarah murnaghan's case will lead to changes in transplant rules? >> go to facebook.com/newsnation to discuss that.
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