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msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons, into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup :raw." to their victims, they were the epitome of terror. >> i throw my hooks and snapped his neck. you can feel it right against here. pop. >> the face of their nightmares. >> he was crying, begging for me to stop. >> started sawing away, tried to cut his head off. >> they have robbed, murdered, and kidnapped.
>> i used to kidnap college kids and hold them for ransom. >> when they told the jury, all rise, i thought that was my opportunity and stabbed him in the chest. >> now, five of the most notorious inmates to ever appear on "lockup" -- >> i'm trigger happy -- >> -- reveal insights into their shocking brands of predatory behavior. >> i enjoy hurting people. at the top of every "lockup" episode, we run a warning for viewers about the subject matter. that warning is relevant to what we're about to show you. we put together a collection of some of the most disturbing and dangerous inmates in "lockup" history. viewer discretion is definitely advised. >> inside america's maximum security prisons is an assortment of predators. the interviews our producers conduct with such inmates are always graphic and often revealing. we heard three of the most shocking stories of predatory behavior at the same prison. california state prison.
corcoran. when we interviewed these men, our crew was required to wear stab-proof vests. one of the corcoran inmates we san down with was christian knighten. nobody describes the daily pressures, the ups and downs of being a predator, like he does. >> it's seductive, you know what i mean? you can love the game, but the game loves nobody. you know what i mean? you could sit there and give it your all and think everyone's supporting you, and before you know it, just like that. get your throat cut. seen it, done it. >> knighten was serving time for murder and attempted murder. crimes he committed at the los angeles county jail while awaiting trial on an outside murder/robbery charge that he was convinced would send him to prison for life. but when he went on trial for that original murder charge, something completely unexpected happened. >> they find me not guilty, and
it righteously blew my mind. i had to laugh. the irony of it was classic. >> knighten should have walked away as a free man. instead, he remained incarcerated until he was tried for his jailhouse murder. this time, he was found guilty and given 79 years in prison. but that murder was no random killing or crime of passion. assuming he was headed toward a life in prison anyway, he killed out of ambition. to join an organization he'd admired since childhood, the mexican mafia. >> so when you're a kid, you want to shoot for the stars. i want to be that. i want to be that guy. out on the streets, someone may want to be a ceo or own their own company, to be their own boss. you're back here, regardless, it's still power. and because of the power behind them, that being the mob, mexican mafia. >> christian knighten is probably one of the most engaging inmates i've ever
encountered doing "lockup." he's very articulate, well read, well spoken and quite proud of his career as a criminal. >> i gave my "a" game. i would do it to the extreme violence-wise, selling dope wise. >> in the "lockup extended" episode, he gave shocking details of what he meant into extreme violence. we warn you, the following is very graphic. >> and i walk up to him, hook his leg, and put him in a bare naked choke hold, bring him down, i throw in my hooks and choke him out and snap his neck. when his neck snapped, you feel it right against here, pop, it snapped. i pulled out my piece, stabbed him in the neck, let him have it in the chest, and he started making noises, and i pulled out a pipe and bashed his head in
until pieces of his skull, you know, came out. so the blood was, i mean, it was everywhere. it was about this thick. >> sitting there listening to him relay these very graphic, violent, brutal acts, i have to remain somewhat detached to keep him talking. and it was almost like he was just discussing another day at the office. >> by this time we were hungry. so, it's kind of funky, but it is what it is. where we usually stack up trays and put a -- you can take a piece of blanket, rip off a strip, you light it and gives you a good blue flame. i just took the bomb with it, set it on top of his body and cooked grilled cheese sandwiches on top of -- using his body as a stand. so i'm eating and that's where this rumor throughout the state of california. yeah, he was burning this fool and this.
they never found his eyeballs. they're like, yeah, they ate his eyeball in some type of weird ritual. i mean, it got righteously out of proportion. >> where were his eyeballs? >> no, one eyeball -- we don't know. i have no clue. >> as a made man in the mexican mafia, knighten strove to become a well-rounded leader of the organization when he arrived in prison. >> as far as being able to, you know, just put holes in people, anyone can do that. to educate yourself, that's where you want to go. >> he studied the art of war from historic practitioners. >> we had some way out cats. they were cool, but you'd pick up game -- righteous game. i'm an avid reader and student of ancient japanese philosophy. i love it. the whole warrior culture.
napoleon. the 48 laws of power. the knowledge of power, bushito code, you go all the way down as far as from all different cultures, they're all war manuals and philosophies. so what i mean studying, that's exactly what i mean by studying. >> to become a better -- >> warrior. yeah, to be a shot caller. whatever you want to call them. yeah. but to be better at my job, which would be, i guess you could say prison criminal. >> knighten's education would come in handy when a power shift in his gang put him on the wrong side of the new regime. and the predator had become prey. >> now, i find out i'm on the list. that's a death sentence. my heart broke. i'll be honest with you. i was like, you've got to be [ bleep ] me. spotless career and i'm on the list? he said, yeah, they put you in the hat. i'm not going nowhere, stubborn. you know what i mean?
so it was on. and i'll be honest with you, if i sat here and tell you i wasn't, you know, scared -- terrified. however, you know, that's basically what defines a man, you know? how he confronts his fears. i'm hitting them face on. i got hit, sliced. i have to go in for my throat and they thought i was going to slit. and went down to my cell, cleaned it up, coffee, packed it full of coffee. and went ahead and didn't go to the doctors because they would have took me off the tier. took me 28 days later, the individual that did it, i got him from his back throat to his throat. he was gone. >> after nine years, knighten made a shocking career move. he retired. through a process called debriefing he shared his gang secrets with authorities and was transferred to the prison's protective custody program. knighten will most likely spend the rest of his prison term in protective custody, knowing he
will always have a target on his back. so now, the once dedicated warrior tries to focus his energy on spirituality. >> that's one thing that i struggle with now. i understand how hypocrisy works, speaking to you now. i don't believe if you believe all this, you know it's wrong. yeah, hey, i got some atonement i guess you could say to make up for it. things are looking rough i could say if i do believe in afterlife. >> would you kill someone today? >> oh, yeah. sure. >> you didn't even hesitate, christian. >> you want me to lie? >> no. >> pretend? you know what i mean? next on "lockup: raw" -- >> i slashed his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. >> a predator targets his cellmate. >> i like that. that was one of my favorite ones right there. em find a policy that works for them. huh? also... we've been working on something very special. [ minions gasp, chuckle ]
it still surprises me at times hearing some of these inmates' accounts of their extreme violent behavior. i'm often curious as to why or how they became this way. but i also think it's a part of the human condition. and i think it's important that people understand that. part of it, i think, is created at birth, but also a big part of it is how one survives in prison. more often than not, a lot of these stories of violence have occurred in the prison setting. in order to survive in such a violent world, most of these people feel they have to be violent. >> in 1992, robert glenn was sentenced to three years for auto theft. when we met him 15 years later at california state prison corcoran, he was still in prison. and two of his former cellmates were six feet under. glenn murdered the first one while he was still in county jail. >> i slashed his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. and then another inmate passed
me a shank. probably about that long with a handle on it. i just started stabbing him. stabbed him about over 100 times, in the back, sides, neck. he was crying, telling me to stop. begging for me to stop. he was still alive through all of it. >> you're smiling. >> i like that. that was one of my favorite ones right there. >> he surprised me in that he had a gleefulness about him as he was discussing the violence he had committed in prison. he had this proud little smile as he was telling us these very disturbing and violent acts. >> after murdering his cellmate in jail, glenn came to prison where his predatory behavior escalated. >> while i was there for about a year, i got about 14 assault on inmates. >> why? >> i was a young kid, 20 years
old. >> beating people up? >> beating people up for the slightest infraction. a lot of my violence i've had, people don't clean up after themselves and don't wipe the sink out after they use it or they pass gas right next to me. they don't go to the door. there's no courtesy being in a cell situation that you have to have. and you know, little things like that just piss me off and once i'm pissed off, that's it. i beat the hell out of you. that's how prison is. makes you violent. what else can we do right here but have fun? you know? i know it's kind of twisted to say it, but i enjoy it. >> you enjoy what? >> i enjoy hurting people. >> glenn killed his second cellmate in 2005 while at another california state prison. he told us he did so because the cellie was a child molester. >> i went and told the c.o. to move me. she told me to deal with it.
so a couple days later, i dealt with it. waited one night, i picked a fight with him. i told him to turn his tv off and go to sleep, and he didn't like that too much. so i got up out of my bunk to turn his tv off. he got up. once he stood up, i put him in a little choke hold and choked him out, killed him. shoved his head in the concrete while i was doing it. i was kind of upset that i told that c.o. that i wanted that cell move and she told me to deal with it, so i wanted to give her a little present. i tried to cut his head off because my whole plan was the next morning to open the doors for chow, i was going to toss her my cellmate's head. >> contrary to glenn's claims, his cellmate was not convicted of a sex crime but of robbery. detectives investigating the murder say glenn did it in order to coerce the prison into letting him cell by himself.
>> after we did the interview with robert glenn, we went back to his cell and he freely demonstrated what it was like when he was committing his crime. and he demonstrated with the string how he attempted to decapitate his victim. >> what i do is i make a little slip knot on either end, something like that. the string has to be a lot stronger because you don't want him getting out of it. roll up a piece of sock. just took it like that. >> glenn is currently serving 98 years for the 2 murders he committed behind bars, but he left us with the impression that his predatory behavior may have extended beyond just these two. >> how many people have you killed? >> i've been convicted of two. i won't talk about anything i haven't been convicted of. >> why is that? >> i haven't been convicted of them yet.
i don't want to talk about any crimes that i've done because right now i have a life sentence. so i'm here. if i'm convicted of any more crimes, they're going to give me the death penalty. that's not really -- i don't really want the death penalty at this moment in my life. eventually, later down the line, who knows. coming up -- >> i used to, you know, kidnap people and hold them for ransom. >> a parent's worst nightmare. >> college kids out there, you know they've got money. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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prescribed by rheumatologists. when it comes to the predators we've met inside america's prisons, no one looked the part more than robert galvin at california state prison corcoran. and with his menacing appearance came a violent streak that earned him a nickname "phantom." >> they say i'm fast, hurting people, getting people. and they'll have holes in them and i'll be gone, you know. like a ghost.
>> when i first saw robert galvin, he carried himself in this very tough way, kind of walked like a wrestler, covered in tattoos, odd kind of hairstyle, shaved his head and had this little flap of hair in the back. and very much cultivated this tough demeanor. tell me about that. >> we consider it like a tail, a bulldog tail. it's considered a mongolia which means warrior. there's warriors and there's gangsters or whatever. we don't have to be told what to do. a warrior knows what to do. >> galvin made it clear that knowing what to do inside corcoran meant stabbing his enemies. >> i was on the yard and i stabbed a white guy like 17 times or whatever. from there, they took me to ad seg. and yeah, i stabbed another white guy. and that's what got me here. >> galvin's violent ways in prison landed him in corcoran's
secured housing unit, the shu. it's a 24-hour lockdown, reserved for only the most dangerous inmates. but galvin told us that his predatory ways began on the streets of fresno. >> i used to kidnap people and hold them for ransom. like, you know, you've got the college kids out there. you know they've got money, they're in college. so you know, you just take one of them. >> how? >> by force. >> how? >> just grab them by the neck and put them in the car, you know? have them call their parents and have them wire money to an account. you know, that's about it. after that you let them go, if they put the money in the bank. >> if they don't? >> that's a different story, you know? >> how does that story end? >> bad. >> how bad? >> i'm in here for kidnapping, ransom, and murder.
so that kind of bad, you know? >> galvin's last kidnapping ended beyond bad. even before it got to the ransom stage, one of his victims managed to call his parents and give his location. >> when i was in the car with these two kids -- well, they weren't kids. they were over 18. i don't mess with, you know, kids under 18, you know. they called their parents. and the cops ended up following us and the helicopter. so, you know, it ended kind of bad. that's how i got caught, you know. >> well, what happened? >> well, i cut the guy's neck. and the cops surrounded the car and pulled me out, you know what i mean? >> did he die? >> yeah.
>> ironically, robert galvin is both a predator and a parent. he has four kids ranging from 8 to 16 years old. >> i let them know about the mistakes i made so they don't repeat them so they don't end up in here. i do what i can for them money wise. you know, send them money and, you know, put it in the bank. hopefully, you know, college, you know. that's what i want. i want them to accomplish things that i wish i had. i want my sons to be a better person than me, you know. >> how are you sending them money? >> i can't tell you that. >> galvin also asserts that supporting his family motivated his crimes on the outside.
>> i've robbed every pizza place in fresno, practically, just for money for, like, christmas, but i never did wrong on the streets just out of spite, just to hurt people. i've never done that. you know, i've done it for money. >> but they're going to beg to differ. the man -- the homicide, you didn't know your victim. you knew you were caught. >> yeah. you're right. >> why did you kill him? >> that right there, i had no reason to do that. i guess i'm just a bad guy. >> it disturbed me. he on one hand was talking about his own children and how much he
loved them and how much he wanted to provide for them but couldn't make the connection that he had killed some other people's child. and just didn't seem to be able to relate the two accounts. and it was important for me to try to get him to see that connection. >> it's in everybody's nature to protect their young. that's just like the animal kingdom. you know, the lion ain't going to let their kids get hurt. >> robert, how old was the young man you killed? >> huh? >> how old was the man you killed? the kid you killed on the street? >> which one? >> the one that put you in prison. >> oh. he was about in his 20s, early 20s. >> that's young. >> yeah. >> that was somebody's child. >> exactly, yeah. >> you guys don't make a lot of sense sometimes to me. >> yeah, i know. some of the things we do don't make sense. a lot of people do things for
nothing. just to try to get noticed. to try to become somebody. that guy right there, he's strong. you know, he'll beat you up or he'll stab you, just to get a name. >> and then live in a box. >> yeah. unfortunately, things happen and there's no way for me to get out. this is me. i'm going to die in here. next on "lockup: raw" -- >> i come from a nice family, a good family compared to a lot of the families i hear about in here. >> an inmate who grew up on the right side of the tracks commits a shocking crime in front of dozens of witnesses. [ man ] we love to eat. we just didn't know that our plants did, too. then we started using miracle-gro liquafeed every two weeks. now our plants get the food they need while we water. dinner's ready. come and get it. no one goes hungry in this house.
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officer. he retired from the navy and joined the national guard, retired from the national guard and then started going to the county for the job. he retired as the county jail administrator. my mom, she's a secretary. she's very educated, very knowledgeable and wealthy. she quit her job to stay home with me so that i would have someone there for when i got home from school. do my homework, make sure i do what i had to do. >> but that didn't keep him out of trouble. >> i never had to face consequences, so i figured i was pretty much untouchable. and i rebelled against them being so straight and i went crooked bad. >> steele's rebellion culminated in a 60-year sentence for residential burglaries, armed robbery and false imprisonment. >> i was robbing a house, boom, someone came home. i laid in wait and they came to the garage door, and i told them to sit on the couch. i finished robbing the house and left and that was it. >> we had numerous off-camera conversations, but everything
switched when it became an on-camera interview. there's a convict code that many of these guys have to live by. and part of that code is to not reveal too much information. the most challenging part of interviewing alejandro steele was when i started asking him about his most visible crime. >> that crime occurred while steele was serving his original sentence and got him an additional 23 years. it was an assault that he carried out literally in front of a jury of his peers. >> i saw basically the whites of his eyes, and i saw him coming at me. i didn't see his hands, but he moved relatively quickly on me and i feel -- i feel a punch in my chest. >> in 2001, steele was in court acting as his own attorney for allegedly throwing urine on a correctional officer. during a lunch break, steele extracted a plastic shank from his anal cavity. when he returned to the courtroom, he attacked chief deputy district attorney a.j. salazar.
>> i remember i was wearing a white shirt, my tie was off to the side, and i looked and there was a hole in my shirt and i was bleeding. >> the stab wound, itself, was not considered serious. the bigger problem was the risk of infection. >> i went to the hospital. i was at the emergency room. i went through a series of shots. they cleaned out the wound. it took several blood tests and i remember picking up the blood result and looked and looked for hiv. and hepatitis negative, hiv negative. so i was like, well, all right, i'll go ahead and take that. >> we asked steele for his version of the story. and in spite of all of the witnesses, he claimed absolute innocence. >> they're saying i stabbed him in court in front of judge, jury, and executioner. >> what are you saying? >> i'm saying i had nothing to do with it. >> were you there? >> nope. >> really?
>> how many different ways you want me to answer that same question? >> so you're denying this whole thing ever took place? >> i'm denying i had anything to do with it. >> was this d.a. stabbed? >> according to court documents and papers. >> what was the evidence against you? >> that i was in the courtroom, that i witnessed it from the jury, the transport officers, my own lawyer, and the witnesses in the case all pointed the finger at me and said i did it. >> and you're saying? >> i had nothing to do with it. >> where were you? >> i was in my cell. >> all right. alejandro, how on earth do you really say that? how? in all honesty, you're a smart guy. you physically know where you were. everybody saw where you were, right?
>> no. i had nothing to do with it. >> what do you admit here? >> i admit to being prison number 508507 and i admit to my mistakes i made to come to prison. >> steele was convicted of attempted murder in the assault on salazar. he was also found guilty of the charge that brought him to court that day, throwing urine on a correctional officer. and it wasn't the first time he had assaulted an officer. >> allegedly they say i've slipped my cuffs. and when they opened my door i just started swinging and i made the c.o. jump off the tier and run out of the pod. left me on the chair by myself, went back to my cell and that was that. >> why assault on staff? >> about 90% of the staff they get working here are the people who got picked on in school. they come over here and now it's payback time. they think that badge gives them
power. that badge is only an illusion of power. that power can be stripped and taken away in a moment's notice. >> and you help them see? >> no, allegedly. >> yes, alejandro was playing a cat and mouse game, absolutely. part of it it could have been the convict code not to reveal too much information and part of it could very have been the fact that he was kind of delighted to be out of his cell and able to have this exchange and kind of get people going. >> but eventually, steele came clean about the attack on the d.a. >> couple months before -- a month before, i knew he was the one that was going to get it. when they told the jury all rise, i saw that that was my opportunity and i stabbed him in the chest. >> steele's candor was short-lived. >> in terms of what you did, what was your goal? your act. honestly, you're not going anywhere. what was --
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man, i wasn't expecting any of that. but that's how life is. life is full of surprises. life is full of change, abrupt changes, you know, unexpected changes. >> unexpected changes would come to describe our relationship with darren bailey. an inmate we met at the indiana state prison. he was one of a handful of inmates allowed to use a personal camera supplied by our crew used to record intimate thoughts in the privacy of his cell. he even shared some thoughts about the crew, themselves. >> you got susan. you got alex in wonderland, and all those other guys, you know. i don't know their names, but they're cool. and they're all from california. can you believe that? >> when we first started working with darren bailey, we had heard he had this very violent past. that he was not only violent on the streets, but once he got into prison, had a very erratic and impulsive and violent nature. so when we encountered him, he
was already in a process of going through therapy and trying to make himself a better inmate. >> i have never given myself a chance. and because i'm giving myself a chance to do better for myself, i have a supporting cast that are saying, yeah, we believe in you. yeah, he's showing progress. yeah, he's no longer the person that has held him hostage for years. you know? >> but when it came to talking about the convictions that earned him a 147-year prison sentence, which included two murders, battery and criminal confinement, bailey was only open to a point. >> man, it was kind of gruesome, man. bodies all found and stuff like that so -- this area, man, it's not easy to walk through. we're not having a typical conversation now. now we're dealing with something more personal. and it touches me in different ways because the people that were getting executed, you know, it was not something that i
really deal with like that anymore. as much as i try to move on, i feel haunted by that past. >> darren bailey was an inmate i remained constantly vigilant around. his moods would shift instantaneously during a conversation. he could go from sweet, even flirtatious, to rage-filled and defensive in a heartbeat. >> was there a personal relationship? >> not nothing like that. it was just that a situation i'm not -- i can't just give you all this, man. you're not under the gun like i am. this is an interview to you. it's not an interview to me. i have to be meticulous in my thought process of what i expose about my case because my case is under scrutiny. >> that's fine. >> you keep saying that's fine but -- >> that's fine, i'm just curious. there's not a jury in the world who is going to -- so i'm curious what the state -- >> the state said the reason i killed these people because i'm trigger happy.
the state said the reason i killed these people is because i have absolutely no control over my violent behavior. the state said i killed these people because this is the nature of who i am. >> bailey did nothing to dispel that notion when he arrived in prison. >> when i got incarcerated, i declared war on the state of indiana. that gave me the excessive sentence as a result of my crime. well, i'm giving you excessive violence as a result of my anger. so i decided to just rage. >> bailey had only recently been released from indiana segregation unit where he had spent five months for violent acts committed in prison. now he was finding new ways to quell his impulsive behavior, including meditation. >> the truth says man's greatest challenge is to conquer himself. so i'm working on conquering myself right now. i don't want to deal with the violence because the violence has been dealing with me for way too long. >> let the tension out your
arms, legs, your hands, everywhere. just relax. the main thing is to stay relaxed. >> i sought mental health, mental health didn't come to me, i went to them. and i told them i would like some help. i would like for you guys to talk to me and provide some type of program i can gradually work my way through this step by step. >> after several months of clear conduct, bailey was accepted into the residential treatment unit, or rtu, for ongoing counseling. the prison's lead psychologist dr. reggie matias, felt he was ready to do something that few predators are capable of, changing their ways. >> wanted the try to figure out a different way to do his time in prison. and so he talked with me when he was up on the segregation unit and said i really want a chance at the rtu unit. i want to start making changes in my life. you know, we're pretty particular about who we take in. the bottom line on this unit is
there can be no violence. >> i think this unit is the vehicle that i've been waiting for. i think that i'm ready for it because now that my system is beginning to settle, this will be the best time to capitalize this moment. >> remember, you're trying to change your past. you've been going down a certain road for many years and you're trying to walk a different road. do your time a little differently than you have in the last eight, nine years? you're going to be one of our starters. i know that, i know that. >> i can come up here and i can get my stuff together. so i won't have to relapse into a condition that forbids me from being this free again. there is that form of freedom up here. so i come out here and play basketball by myself, about half hour to an hour as long as it takes me to vent that frustration, vent that rage, just push it all out. >> on his personal inmate camera, bailey also indicated
that he enjoyed interacting with our crew. >> susan, she's very, very nice and she's kind of, like, she's cool. cool person to get along with. kind of persistent and relentless, you know. but at the same time, she's a nice person. so she asked me to do this for her so you can't say no to a lady, especially a lady like her. >> how would you define yourself? >> cordial, affable, charming, easy to get along with. but there's that side to all of us when we don't want to be bothered, when our tolerance becomes zero. >> that's the one thing about darren was one day he would be completely energetic and just all off the wall, you know, all over the place and very hard to contain. and then another day he would be very standoffish and wouldn't want to talk much or would get very upset out of nowhere.
>> right now, it doesn't fit all together. that's okay. take care of yourself. >> you too. >> man, i didn't think it was going to get that heated, man. camera our producer let him use, bailey told a different story. camera our producer let him use, bailey told a different story. >> things are different with me now. i am no longer on as a result of excessive behavior, you want to call it. i don't like it, i am disappointed in myself. i am disappointed -- i have a lot of people in my corner, but because i am somewhat relapsed, if that's what you want to call it, they're kind of disappointed with me, and they have every
right to be. these people have given me something no one has given me during the course of my incarceration, which would be a simple change. >> indiana was the first prison to allow inmates to use personal cameras we left them. it turned out that the inmates would actually reveal a lot more intimate details, using personal cameras than they would when we were present. and in darren's case, he pretty much admitted to committing this assault. >> susan just popped up, and she wants her property back. i tell you, it was borrowed time, man. so it was nice doing this for susan and company. so i have to return to where i started from. the blackout. so you guys have a nice day. thank you for listening to me. good-bye.
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