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>> i think somebody's suing us. >> here is chuck. >> here it is. it's a blockbuster week ahead in american politics. historic decisions expected from the supreme court on how far the government should go in lens lating diversity and equality in this country. but it doesn't end there. the president set to address climate change. the push for incombination reform. all of that could climax in the senate. plus, nsa leaker edward snowden is on the run. he was expected to be on a flight from moscow to savannah. there's no sign of him and his location is unknown. is putin having second thoughts? and finally, the big story this hour, speaking of divisive issues. we're just moments away from opening statements in the george zimmerman trial. we're going tore go live to the courtroom in sanford, florida, when the prosecutor begins his ing statement. good morning from washington. i'm chuck todd. special edition here of "the daily rundown."
it's monday, june 24. virginia republican nominee for governor on set live. we're also monitoring the condition of former south african president and worldwide hero nelson mandela who remains hospitalized in pretoria. his condition is now critical. the country's president is calling for the world to pray during this difficult time. we'll bring you those updates as they happen this hour. first, it's florida. opening statements are set to start any moment now. the lead prosecutor will go first followed by the defense. we could even hear from the first witnesses later today. over the weekend, some important rulings by that judge. she ruled that the jury can hear a 911 call from the night that trayvon martin was killed but she said no experts will be allowed to help the jury on whose voice can be heard screaming in that call. martin's family spoke a few
moments ago. >> as i have been every day, i will be attending this court and -- to try to get justice for my son. i ask that you pray for me and my family because i don't want any other mother to have to experience what i'm going through now. >> joining me now is lisa bloom. she's our msnbc legal analyst. what was amazing i thought over the last week was how the prosecutor and the defense were asking the judge to decide which words could be used and not used during the opening statements. given what we heard back and forth, i'm guessing you have a pretty good idea of exactly the language that both the prosecutor and defense are going to use today. >> you're right. this is not unusual in a trial. in the opening statement,
attorneys are not supposed to argue their case. that remains for closing. the opening statements are supposed to just tell the jury what the evidence will show. realistically, each side wants to frap the case. so the prosecution is not allowed to use the phrase racial profiling in opening statement. they can use the word profiling, not racial profiling. but this is typical at the beginning of the case. each side wants to let the jury know exactly how to look at all the evidence as it comes in. >> lisa, it's an all women jury. did that surprise you? >> it did. it's the first all female jury at least in a high profile case that i've seen. sometimes thing just work out in a statistically interesting way. >> going on the opening statement, how long do you expect them both to be -- you said it's not supposed to be laying out the case but in many ways they want to frame it. does that mean we expect a long tedious opening statement where the jury is going to hear
everything they're going to hear? >> they're not supposed to argue the case. they're supposed to just lay out the facts. i would expect maybe an hour each roughly. we really don't know. just speculating at this point. this is estimated to be a 2 to 4 week trial. i don't expect them to go all day in a trial of that length. >> and the decision not to allow expert testimony to talk about the 911 call. i heard one of our reporters this morning, i think it was kerry sanders, saying this actually is likely to shrink the length of the trial a great deal. >> i would think so. you don't have all of that expert testimony. that's an important ruling from the judge. i read it beginning to end. she very carefully follows the law. she said that the two experts that were hired by the prosecution generally don't follow the guidelines set forth for analysts so she won't let them testify.
those four experts said you simply couldn't get a good voice sample to determine who was screaming in the final moments of trayvon martin's life. >> we just got word that the judge asked some members of the victim's family to leave the courtroom. we're trying to get some information on that. that is apparently what just happened a few minutes ago. going back to this issue of allowing the 911 call to be introduced but then not -- basically giving it any context. isn't that essentially the judge saying, well, the 911 call, we're technically not throwing it out as evidence. but couldn't you argue you can't give context to it, it's a big blow to the prosecution? >> a couple of things. people who are expected to testify are generally excluded from the courtroom till they testify. so i would suspect that's what's going on here. you're absolutely right. with regard to the 911 call that has the recording, those harrowing sounds of screaming. that can come into the trial. i expect it will.
the juries can hear it themselves. they can make their own decision about what's being said about who's screaming. i would expect trayvon martin's mother to testify that's trayvon screaming on that call. that's what she told law enforcement in the past. trayvon's father initially said it was not trayvon screaming. later, he heard a cleaned up version of the audio and he said yes, it is my son. >> lisa bloom, i know you'll be joining us quite a bit during the duration of the trial. the judge is continuing to give a lot instructions. as soon as the opening statement begins, we will bring that to you live. in the meantime, let me get to some of my first reads of the morning that are not related to the zimmerman trial as we await the opening statement. of course there's a man hunt going on right now. it's a bizarre case of where in the world is edward snowden. he was supposed to get on a plane in moss skcow this mornin headed for havana.
but snowden was not on board. he was last seen in moscow. his current whereabouts are not known. he fled with the assistance of wikileaks. arriving in russia on sunday. from there, he planned to travel to cube, then possibly ecuador or another nation where he could seek asylum. this morning, ecuador's foreign minister did confirm snowden did make a request for asylum. over the weekend, we learn that the u.s. filed charged against snowden under seal a week ago in the eastern district of virginia. and informed hong kong. the u.s. sought an arrest warrant to begin the process of extradition. american officials say officials in hong kong came back with additional questions and the u.s. was in the process of responding when the hong kong authorities suddenly notified the u.s. they decided to let snowden go, saying the charges, quote, did not fully comply with the legal requirements under hong kong law.
caught the u.s. government by surprise. the white house, in its first initial statement released just after midnight said this. we have registered our strong objections. and warned russia. given our intensified cooperation after the boston marathon bombings and our history of working with russia on law enforcement matters, including returning numerous high level criminals back to russia at the request the russian government, we expect the russian government to look at all options available to expel mr. snowden back to the u.s. to face justice. speaking from new delhi just a short time ago, secretary of state john kerry said the u.s. has put countries who might think of harboring snowden on notice. >> he is an indicted individual. he is wanted by the legal process of the united states. i mean, i wonder if mr. snowden chose china and russia as
assistants in his flight from justice because they're such powerful pabastions of internet freedoms. >> pointed remarks. kerry said deppcy secretary of state bill byrnes has been in touch with the russian government. on capitol hill, condemnation of snowden from both parties. >> what's infuriating here is prime minister putin of russia. the bottom line is very simple. allies are supposed to treat each other in decent ways. putin always seems almost eager to put a finger in the eye of the united states. >> the fear now is that snowden increasingly out of u.s.
government reach will let more secrets get leaked. by the way, putin, up predictable character. just when you think is he is not going to be cooperative, never know. transactional type of guy. wonder what's happening there considering the movement of the morning. this is going to be a long strange day on this front. no doubt, the boys in russia have busy now. welcome to a blockbuster week in american politic. buckle your seat belts because over the next days issues of the role of government in nearly every great social debate of our time will get brought up. race, marriage, immigration, energy use. it's a debate which gets at the fundamental and growing divide between the two parties. whether it's about legislating equality, diversity or even energy usage. it all comes down to the role of government in our lives. the supreme court will start
announcing the most highly anticipated decisions of our term. and define the definition of legal equality in this country for deck kaades to come. a challenge to california's prop 8 which ended say sex marriage in that state. the test of the defense of marriage act. it prevents the federal government from recognizing same sex marriages in the 12 states where they're currently legal. the justices will decide the fate of the most important civil rights law ever passed. and a fourth big case challenges affirmative action in university admissions. 11 cases if total. we expect to hear the first of these decisions just about an hour from now. tomorrow, the president lays out
plans to tackle climate change. not exactly something that brings the parties together. six-plus years in the making. the president is expected to announce the first effort to curb greenhouse admissions from existing power plants. >> the vision for where i believe we need to go. a national plan to reduce carbon production. this is a serious challenge. it's one uniquely suited to america's strengths. >> a whole bunch of campaign strategists from the republican side of the aisle believe this is going to be a winning issue. and they're eagerly prebutting the president's speech. environmentalists are voicing concern the president could be using his client speech and these new policy proposals which they believe are long overdue simply as cover to approve the
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opening statements we expect to begin any moment now. the minute the prosecution begins, we will bring that to you live. tonight of course the senate will kick off a huge week for immigration reform. it's a pivotal vote to end debate on the bipartisan border security amendment. that vote on the so-called hoeven/corker amendment is expected about 5:00 this afternoon. advocates say they expect a big vote when a final vote is taken on the overall legislation as early as thursday this week. >> about a two-thirds of the senate right now. so i believe we'll be in the neighborhood of 70 votes. >> we're close to 70 votes. the hoeven/corker amendment i think gets us over the top. >> we heard what is probably best described as the last gasp
from immigration proponents in the senate. senator bob corker's office clearly doing some rapid response fired back. to be clear, the tough border security and interior enforcement provisions that senator hoeven and i offered on friday make up 119 pages added to the 1,100 pages that have been public since may. president obama will sell the economic benefits of immigration reform. where he's expected to highlight the new congressional budget office numbers that estimate the bill will reduce the deficit by about $200 billion over the next ten years and about $700 billion over the following decade. the chamber of commerce has a new ad out featuring rubio, ryan, and even rand paul talking up immigration reform but warning signs for a bill were on display over the weekend.
senator paul said he would vote against it. >> without some congressional authority and without border security first, i can't support the final bill. >> it will pass the senate but it's dead on arrival in the house. the house is much closer. >> rand paul supported this thing, it probably would have gotten 80 votes in the senate. the fate look, s as unpredictab as ever. on "morning joe," congressman paul ryan tried to blame democrats for the failure on the farm bill. >> during consideration of this bill on the floor, they reneged on the commitment of the 40 votes and the bill went down. when you're in divided government and you're trying to bring bipartisan legislation to the floor, you have to keep your word on whether you're going to vote for something or not. i before this bill came on the floor said i wasn't going to vote for it. >> in an interview we did
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let's go live inside the courtroom and we're going to listen in on the prosecutor's opening statement here in just a few minutes. the jury has been brought into the courtroom which of course is a sign that the actual trial is about to start. i want to bring in lisa bloom. my anchor buddy on this trial who you will be hearing a lot from over the next few weeks. a lot of preliminaries they wanted to get out of the way. i think a lot of us thought they spent the weekend trying to get these out of the way. >> we can expect that but this is a no nonsense judge who will try to rule on things as quickly as she can. we expect the opening statement to begin -- >> what kind of a length of a trial? >> they said 2 to 4 weeks all
along. some of the expert testimony has been barred so that clears away some of the witnesses. this is a judge who wants to move through this case. 2 to 4 weeks. that's the estimate right now. >> at this point, your expectation of what the prosecutor -- the jury is going to be asked to rule specifically on what? >> the jury has to decide. this is not a who done it. we know george zimmerman killed trayvon martin. the question is why, was it self defense. that's what zimmerman has claimed all along. the prosecution says no, it wasn't self-defense. second degree murder is what he is charged with. with the depraved heart, depraved intention, that he took the life of this teenager with a depraved heart.
that's second degree murder. >> everything about this case is going to be circumstance. either the proof on self-defense or the proof it wasn't self-defense. >> we have zimmerman's statement. so zimmerman's going to have to stick to that. i expect the prosecution to go over every inconsistency. to bring in witnesses to show he was lying. that's the prosecution's point view. >> i guess these are final fine instructions. the classic vamping here for time. the judge obviously final instructions. >> let me tell you. this is a side bar. i've been at many side bars. we're going to probably see more of them in a case that's televised. the judge is trying to keep a close lid on this courtroom. make sure none of the attorneys say anything in their opening statement that they should not be saying. big picture, really about
whether george zimmerman is going to have to testify. the defense probably does not want him to testify. i think the prosecution is engaging in a little bit of strategy to try to force him to testify. hearsay is one of those legal rules that has many, many exceptions. which is excited utterances. zimmerman said at the time, i was screaming for help. that's what they were discussing this morning. >> all right, lisa bloom, thank you very much. i know you're watching the triatrial so i appreciate that. we're going to sneak in one more quick break. hould totally do that. (girl ) yeah, right. (guy) i wannna catch a falcon!
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are not always what they're cracked up to be. you never know what you're going to get and how long it takes for a trial to begin. we're going to go live inside. the judge has been giving some structions to the jury. we're going to let you listen in from here on out. >> after the instructions are given, you will then retire to consider your verdict. you should not form any fixed or definite opinion on the merits of the case till you've heard all the evidence, the argument of the lawyers and the instruction of the law i will give you. you should not discuss the case among yourselves it during the course of the trial when we take reverses and you will be separated from the courtroom and go about the sequestration rules. during these recesses, you will not discuss the case with anyone, nor permit anyone to say anything to you or in your presence about this case.
if anyone attempts to say anything to you or in your presence about this case, tell them you are on the jury and ask them to stop. if they persist, leave them at once and immediately report to one of the court deputies. the case must be tried on your only during the evidence presented in your presence. jurors must not conduct any investigation on their own. this includes reading newspapers, watching television or using a computer, cell phone, the internet, any electronic device or any other means at all to get information related to this case or the people and places involved in the case. this applies whether you're in the courthouse, during your sequestration or anyone else. you must not visit any of the places mentioned in the trial or use the internet to look at maps or pictures to see any place discussed during the trial. jurors must not have any discussions of any sort with
friends or family members about the case or the people and places involved. so do not let even the close et family members make comments to you or ask you questions about the trial. in this age of electronic communication, i want to stress this again. just as you may not talk about this case face-to-face, you must not talk about this case by using an electronic device. you must not use phones, computers or other electronic devices to communicate. do not send or accept any messages related to this case or your jury service. do not discuss this case or ask for advice by any means at all. including posting information on an internet website chat room or blog. in every criminal proceeding, a defendant has an absolute right to remain silent. at no time is it the duty of a defendant to prove his innocence. from the exercise of the defendant's right to remain silent, a jury is not permitted to draw any infence of guilty.
and the fact that a defendant did not take the witness stand bu must not influence your verdict. the attorneys are trained in rules of evidence and trial procedure. when an objection is made, you should not speculate on the reason why it is made. when an objection is sustained or upheld by me, you must not speculate or what might have occurred, had the objection not been sustained, nor what i witness might have said, had he or she been permitted to answer. if you would like to take notes during the trial, you may do so. on the other hand, you are not required to take notes. that will be left up to you individually. you have been provided with a notepad and a pen for your use if you wish to take notes. any notes you take will be for your personal use. however, you should not take them with you from the courtroom. during recesses, the deputy will take possession of your notes
and will return them to you when we reconvene. the deputy will deliver your notes to me. they will be destroyed. no one will ever read your notes. if you take notes, don't get so involved in the note taking process that you become distr t distracted from the proceedings. your notes should only be used as aides to your memory. whether or not you take notes, you should rely on your memory of the evidence and you should not be unduly influenced by the notes of other jurors. notes are not entitled to any greater weight of each jury's memory of the evidence. at this time, we will begin with opening statements. >> may it please the court, counsel, good morning. these assholes, they always get away. those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed
in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. and excuse mi language, but those were his words, not mine. fucking punks. these assholes. they always get away. those were the words in that man's chest when he got out of his car armed with the fully loaded semiautomatic -- >> well, we've decided we have to institute a seven-second delay it delay. i want to apologize for that language that came out. if you give us a second here, we'll put in a seven-second day. we will now head back to the courtroom. >> -- who was walking home from a seven eleven armed with 23 ounces of arizona brand fruit juice and a small bag of skittles candies.
assholes. they always get away. those were the words in that defendant's head just moments before he pressed that pistol into trayvon martin's chest and pulled the trigger. and then as the smoke and the smell of that fatal gunshot rose into a rainy sunday sanford night, trayvon martin, 21 days removed from his 16th year, was face down in wet grass, laboring through his final breaths on this earth. and that defendant at that same time was upright walking around preparing. preparing to tell law
enforcement. ladies and gentlemen, the truth about the murder of trayvon martin is going to come directly from his mouth. from those hate-filled words that he used to describe a perfect stranger and from the lies that he told to the police to try to justify his actions. if you'll indulge me for the next few minutes, i would like to share with you in a little greater detail the end of trayvon martin's young life and the overwhelming evidence of this defendant's guilt. the murder of trayvon martin was the product of two worlds colliding. and one world, a 17-year-old boy from miami, florida, a visitor to this town, who had gone to the store to get something to drink for himself and some candy
for a 12-year-old friend. but in the other world, a 28-year-old grown man. somebody who wanted to be a police officer. somebody who had called the police numerous tyimes about crime in his neighborhood. someone who had become the neighborhood watch captain. and someone who believed most importantly that it was his right to rid his neighborhood of anyone that he believed didn't belong. the date was february 26th of last year. trayvon martin was in town with his father tracy martin. they were visiting tracy martin's girlfriend brandy green and her 12-year-old son chad joseph. they lived together in a town home in a gated complex known as the retreat at twin lakes. and on that day, trayvon martin
spent the day with 12-year-old chad joseph doing what kids do. they watched tv. they played video games. they just hung out. but in the afternoon hours, in the early evening, trayvon martin decided to go to the store to get something to drink and he asked chad joseph, do you want anything? skittles was the reply. so trayvon martin set out on foot by himself. and walked just less than a mile to a nearby seven eleven. you'll see his purchase of those two items. 23 ounce can of arizona brand fruit juice and skittles on a 7 eleven surveillance video. at 6:24 p.m., he walked out the to door. and he started walking home in the rain. and although he was by himself, he wasn't entirely alone. because he spent that walk home on the phone. with a young friend from miami.
rachel. and as teenagers are want to do, he talked to that girl the entire way home. but at that same time, when he got into the neighborhood of the retreat at twin lakes, there was this defendant riding around in his car. not with candy. not with fruit juice. but with a kill tech 9 millimeter semiautomatic pistol in a ready to fire position. meaning there was one life round in the chamber. and that firearm was tucked inside his waistband. and although that defendant was alone, he, too, was not by himself, because he picked up the phone and he called the sanford police department. because when he saw trayvon martin, he didn't see a young
man walking home. as he told the dispatcher, shawn nofgy, he saw someone that was real suspicious, somebody that looked like they were up to no good. again, his words. and you'll hear that tape. it was recorded. forever. and you'll hear how he describes trayvon martin. and how he follows him. and how he says not in response to a question, these assholes, they always get away. and he tells shawn nofgy, there's been a bunch of recent burglaries in my neighborhood. and you'll hear the door chime in his car when he gets out with his gun. not one but two flashlights. to follow trayvon martin.
and then, almost under his breath, that defendant will reveal to you his feelings about trayvon martin. [ muted ]. [ muted ]. [ muted ]. and then right at the end of that phone call. this defendant makes the decision that brings all of us here today. shawn nofgy asked the defendant, shall i have the officer who's on his way meet you at the mailboxes? because the defendant and he had discussed a kiosk of mailboxes that are in that neighborhood. and at first the defendant says yes. and then he changes his mind. tell the officer to just call me
and i'll tell him where i am. because george zimmerman was not going back to the mailboxes. >> well, there has been a taste the opening statement from the prosecution. we're going to do the same thing when the opening statement for the defense begins. we expect that in about an hour. i want to bring in lisa bloom. lisa, is this the best way to describe this, as sort a shock and awe opening statement there? a lot of language. again, i want to apologize to viewers for some of it that has slipped by. we do think we've got control of this. but seemed a little bit shock and awe for the jury there, did it not? >> lisa, do we have you there? i'm sorry? looks like we have lost lisa bloom there. and we'll try to get her back in, see if we can get her back connected. lisa, are you with me?
all right. we're going to keep our eyes on the courtroom. as we told you, we're going to bring you news as it develops when it comes to this trial. the opening statement. we know that whatever the outcome of this trial, there's going to be some segment of the population unhappy with the verdict. we hope by bringing you the trial itself and a big chunk of it, that it serves as an opportunity for folks to see the trial proceedings for themselves and not let others interpret what fairness is. we should also note george zimmerman has sued nbc universal for defamation. up next, our deep dive into the biggest race of 2013, the virginia governor's race. it's coming up. white house soup of the day, 15 bean, legume, count 'em up, we'll be right back. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib:
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one race that everybody's going to be watching this fall. not only is it a proxy gamble but it's basically the only competitive contest. gubernatorial candidates mcauliffe and cuccinelli are in a tight race. starting with what both claim is their top priority, the economy and jobs. cuccinelli is a plan to cut tax rates for individual income and businesses. >> my plan includes a simpler and fairer tax code that will increase our competitiveness in the global economy while also leaving middle class families with a little more of their own hard-earned money. >> to pay for it, kucuccinelli wants to close loopholes. "the new york times" editorial
page questioned that. writing, if you're thinking, haven't i heard this somewhere before? yes, you have. the whole "close loopholes to cut taxes" thing was a mainstay of the romney campaign. as a former chairman terry mccullough has tapped into his clinton ties for support. the former president headlined a fund-raiser in support. the clintons have skin in the games. his performance in the fall is seen as something as a gauge for a potential hillary clinton run in 2016 to see how engaged her donors and supporters are. as for cuccinelli he's trying to separate himself from ew jackson, described homosexuals as, quote, sick people has become an unwelcome topic for him who says he wants to be judged independently. mccullough has made it clear he has no intentions of trying to grant his opponent's wishes on that front. >> the tea party ticket focuses on issues that develop virginians. a attacking planned parenthood,
attacking and demonizing gay virginians and promoting disproven fringe claims about president obama's place of birth. >> joining me now, virginia attorney general and republican gubernatorial nomly ken cuccinelli. welcome. >> good morning. why do you want to be governor? >> i want to be governor because i see the opportunity to grow job creation in virginia. we have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the whole country and yet a big part of that is because we sit here on the other side of the potomac, a lot of federal dollars that flow into virginia and those are declining. the defense side is drawing down and we need a governor who's going to focus on job creation and has a plan to do it in t th
private sector. that's a focus that matches my attorney general record and matches my record in the state senate. >> as somebody watching this race, are you running to -- you'll see continuity in the number one issue with as i did i for attorney general, and that is for listeners small businesses and pay their taxes on their personal income tax return. so if you want to include small businesses in with your business tax cuts to grow job creation, you've got to include the personal side. this is a direct contrast to my opponent who says the word job but last week what he calls successes are the two companies he started franklin pelts and green tech which haven't performed at all and yet he called them successes in the louden times last week. >> i want to go back to your tax plan. >> sure. >> you say this is necessary. virginia is one of the lowest
taxed states in the country. it's been ranked number one for business. multiple times over the last ten years. is creating a $1.5 trillion -- $1.5 billion gap. i get my billions and trillions confused sometimes. >> d.c. will do that. >> it does. >> why create that hole? why dig that hole when the tax burden isn't a problem here? >> this isn't the frederal government. if you like washington you'll like terry mccullough and if you don't you'll like me. >> there's two ways to do it. one we're going to lower the growth rate in our general fund down to about population plus inflation. last year that was worth over $500 million of tax relief. >> that's a third to pay for this. >> a little over a third. little over a third. and the rest of it, we have billions of dollars of tax exemptions and loopholes that have been carved out over the years in our tax code that that's a bipartisan discovery.
>> give me an example. everybody has been asking you for an example. >> what they ask me for is tell me what the ones you're going to cut. we're going to bring republicans and democrats to list all of them and rank them all. if you're a delegate or senator won't participate we're going to know it. >> you're not going to tell us what this is before the election? >> they're all on the table except health care and education. the way we're going to pay for this tax cut after we have that ranking which is going to be a team effort with the legislature we're going to start from the bottom and just zero them out, cut them all the way up until we've got about a billion dollars worth of cuts that can cover job creating tax increases. we have several years to do this but we're going to start from day one. >> on transportation you have said while you opposed governor mcdonald's plan you're going to let it stay. >> that's right. we're going to implement it. i voted for a compromise in '07 in the senate, worked on this issue for a long, long time. i didn't agree with the plan that went through this year.
however, it's through, it's done, that battle is over and now the real question is, do you want unifriendly terry spending -- union friendly terry or ken spending that money? >> ej jackson -- >> we had seven people running for lieutenant governor and i keep my votes to myself. >> fair to say he was not your choice? >> i keep my votes to myself. >> you said you want to be judged independently. >> virginians always do that. >> why haven't you denounced some of the things he said? >> if i start getting into what any running mate -- i have 100 house of delegate seats at the same time too. if i start diving into every other race we'll lose focus off job creation and on comparing my positive record and my ten years in state government with my lousy record of my opponent. >> are you concerned he's going to hurt you? >> i'm more concerned with getting an edge on terry mccullough by communicating a job creating message to virginians. that's my focus. i can't worry about the other stuff going on around the table. >> you're not concerned he
will -- if you lose this race, will you believe it's his fault? >> when i'm as focused as i am and comparing myself to the failures my opponent calls successes green tech and franklin pellets that's where this race is going to be decided because that's what voters care about. >> i had more i wanted to ask you, but i get an opportunity to moderate a debate, so i will do that and we've invited mr. mccullough shows you. >> he's up agreed to one debate. >> we'll have you back in before the election. before we go, the trivia question who did robert mueller surpass to become the longest serving fbi director, william webster. that's it for this edition. we've got a web exclusive today. we did an interview with joaquin castro, didn't have time to air it because of our coverage of the zimmerman trial. tomorrow on the show it's election day, we've got supreme court rulings that could come any minute now. it's one of those busy days. just sit in front of the it
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