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while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ] good morning i'm richard lui in for chris jansing. immigration reform is one step closer but the last step is a big one. the final hurdle remains in the house and the headlines are not so optimistic. "usa today," house gop opposes senate passed immigration bill. the national journal, house republicans feel no pressure to pass immigration reform. >> the yeas on this bill are 68, the nays are 32. the bill as amended is passed. >> 14 republicans joined with all the democrats on two independents in the senate to pass the immigration bill. now it is up to the house.
>> it will be unsustainable in my judgment for the house to oppose this bill. >> and to our friends in the house, we ask for your consideration and we stand ready to sit down and negotiate with you. >> now we call on our friends in the house, mete the same challenge, convince america that your election was worth the vote. >> to our friends in the house i understand you may have a different approach, speak with your voice, speak in a way you feel comfortable, just don't ignore the issue, that's all i ask. >> we bring in john harris and lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for "the chicago sun-times." good friday to both of you. you guys at politico say circle july 10th that i have on the article, that's the day you're saying the house republican conference is going to start talking about this and here's what the "new york times" editorial board writes the republican majority in the house has its hands over its ears and
is going la, la, la, la, la. it does not care about the senate's preoccupations and it is unimpressed with the months of debate and arduous deal making that led to this historic vote happening. john, what's going to happen? >> that is true the house is insisting on its prerogatives as an independent chamber of the congress and any chance of inexorable momentum we'll see that really slow down. we have a story saying july 10th is important because the house republican conference is going to meet, the republican leadership under john bainler let the members vent and talk about what they heard back in their districts and at that point slowly they're going to try to craft a strategy for what to do in the house, questions unknown, are they going to do a single comprehensive bill, a lot of sentiment for not doing that in the house instead slicing and dicing the immigration bill into
discrete pieces but boehner has made clear or his aides made clear they're happy about this stretch through basically the balance of the year before acting. >> speaker boehner also saying is the hastert rule, that's what he's going to focus on for now, he insists he won't bring the bill to the floor unless the majority, his members, support whatever it is but he's done it before. he's violated that rule with hurricane sandy aid, with the violence against women act. so lynn, is this time different and might he change his mind based on what's been said already? >> based on that, as you heard john talk about, i don't think so, and for the viewers out there who wonder what this hastert rule is, you only need 218 votes in the house to pass something. well, if you have almost every democrat on board, which you will, then you might say you'd only need 30, 40, 50 republican votes. bainer er boehner is saying that's not to get to 218.
it has to be with the majority of his republican members. he's making the bar much higher but it does help him maintain his hold on house leadership. >> but might he not do that? during the fiscal cliff for instance, not hold true to that rule? >> oh i think this time he may well because we're getting closer to election time now and his members he'll let this be a member-driven decision, that's what will help him make up his mind or change his mind. >> john, here's rand paul after the vote happened yesterday, take a listen. >> i'm pushing hard with a lot of conservatives in the house to include congressional votes saying the border is secure. this to me is more important than even the number of border patrol agents is that congress votes and we don't leave it up to the president. >> john this already failed in the senate. you were watching that. what will this mean if the house includes this requirement? >> well, it's a big deal for a lot of conservatives because
they don't trust the administration to implement any kind of border security provisions to implement those rigorously. and this is even harder in the wake of some of the recent news stories like the irs debacle, because conservatives can say look you can't just trust the bureaucracy to give something a "good housekeeping" seal of approval. it didn't as you pointed out, pass in the senate but we'll hear about it again in the house. >> lynn sweet, john harris, thank you. we want to bring in congressman blake parenthold. thank you for being with us here today representative. i know the judiciary committee in the house is working hard on immigration. you see that train coming down. what does the future look like in the house for this issue of immigration reform? >> i think we're going to take it in bite-sized chunks. we've already passed four different bills out of the judiciary committee dealing with
discrete parts of immigration so we'll take it in pieces with the american people and our members can understand and vote on each issue. >> what is the most important issue? >> i think the most important overall is making sure we don't repeat the same mistakes we made under president reagan and end up in this same situation with lots of undocumented folks in the u.s., 15, 20 years down the road. >> was president reagan wrong? >> i think there was some hope there would be additional border enforcement. we were promised more border enforcement and the rules of engagement and what is happening don't match up to what a lot of folks feel like they were promised in the '80s. >> was he wrong? >> i think reagan did what needed to be done at the time. it's the promises that weren't kept that is the problem. >> why won't you take up the senate bill? >> the house needs to exercise its will.
we're a more conservative body, elected to do the will of the folks that elected us and i guarantee you the people back in texas are not looking for a bill like the senate bill, we're looking for something we can understand, looking for something that's more conservative in nature and does guarantee border security and doesn't repeat the mistakes of the past. >> what don't you understand about it? the bill itself has been out for ten weeks. >> here is the issue. it's the same thing with dodd-frank and with obama care. there are so many different pieces you can like four or five of them and hate four or five of them and you don't get to have a say on those. >> is there anything specific you'd like to change based on the bill that's been out there for ten weeks? >> i'm specifically concerned with the pathway to citizenship is way too generous. i'm concerned about the fact that there's no guarantee that the border is going to be secure. you send a whole bunch more agents down there, if they don't do anything but drive around and have rules of engagement where they can't do what needs to be
done it's not going to make a lick of difference. >> you talked about the border, something a lot of your colleagues have concerns about it, increasing the number of border agents to nearly 40,000 and if you do quick back of the envelope math here that's one agent for about 250 feet of the border. that's 700 miles of fencing. >> and we've also got the issue of what to do with interior enforcement. 40% of undocumented folks in the country right now are overstay everies. it's n overstayers. it's not a numbers game is how many people are on the border. lot of this can be done cheaper with technology and with different rules of engagement, and immigration reform is a part of that. if you take folks that are crossing the border for economic reasons off the table by coming up with rational guest worker programs, then you can focus much stronger enforcement issue on human smugglers and drug runners. >> i'll let you get back to
work. thank you so much congressman blake farenhold for joining us this friday. >> you bet. one year ago the supreme court made its signature on the health care law. >> the bottom line is the supreme court upheld the health care law. it is a penalty, not a tax, nonetheless the chief justice says it can be upheld under the court's taxing authority. >> the huge headline is that the court upheld this. your reaction? >> they're doing high fives at the white house on this i'll bet on it. >> joining me is dr. ezekial emmanuel, author of "brothers emmanuel." we have roughly 100 days until the october 1st opening of health care exchanges, lawmakers including democrats telling kathleen sebelius some of their constituents especially seniors
are confused about the health care law so far. when you look at it what's the most important thing they need to know and remember? >> well, they don't have to understand the law. what they have to understand is that on october 1st, there will be options for them to see which insurance company they like, what the costs are, what they cover, and i think that they'll find it relatively easy to use, certainly i think a little less confusing than shopping for assurance now and hopefully the prices in many states, we know in california and other places are going to be pretty competitive and if not better than what they might be otherwise. actually here in aspen i was talking to a woman yesterday who recently got diagnosed with cancer, worried whether her insurance will be renewed or priced out of market and this will be a godsend to her because her preexisting condition won't be able to be considered so it could be a real positive thing for a person like her. >> let's look at the time line
together, it cannot be determined if the exchanges will be rolled out in a timely manner. senator hatch saying the law isn't ready for prime time. are we on time as we get close to the one-year anniversary? >> well when i talk to people in the states they're working vigorously and what isn't for sure is that all the beta testing of the computer software is going on now and the final results raren't in. any big rollout will have some hiccups. we had hiccups when president bush rolled out part d, the drug benefit coverage. few hiccups are expected and they'll be smoothed out over time. i don't think we say hiccups mean the law isn't ready for prime time. it means that we have to work hard and improve on things that don't meet full specifications and i'm very confident that will happen. i think by 2015-2016 this thing is going to be like shopping on amazon and we have to keep in mind we're trying to change the
whole health care system and that's not going to happen overnight and not going to happen without some hiccups but that shouldn't say we don't have to improve the system for the affordable care act. >> one of the thing that could happen, republicans trying to repeal obama care, tried to do it more than 30 times. an article in "the new york times" house republicans used 15% of their time since 2011 trying to repeal that law. one might ask when will the fight be over. >> i think the fight's going to be over in about a year and a half when this law is in place. we've had two cycles of people shopping on the exchange. i think people will like it, we'll see it's improving things for americans, giving them more choices, that the quality of care is going up, and then it's going to die down. i believe that after the 2014 election this is not going to be an issue again. it's going to be entrenched in american society and the american public will be much better for it. >> dr. ezekial e manuel thank
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on the stand, john good, a witness who lived in the complex where trayvon martin was killed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom. lisa, who's john good? what is the significance of his testimony? >> this is another eyewitness. he lived in that gated community. he saw at least part of the fight between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. he's now on cross-examination describing what he saw. >> let's take a listen right now then. >> -- takes place in that type of position. >> sure, so mma, mixed martial arts? >> correct. >> you knew enough to start giving terminology to ground and pound of what you saw. >> it was the first thing on my mind. >> that the person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom? >> that's what it looked like, yes. >> so explain what ground and pound is in your mind. >> the person on top being able to punch the person on the bottom, but the person on the bottom also has a chance to get
out or punch the person on top. it's back and forth. >> sure, and which is the dominant position? >> it would be the top position. >> because why? >> for most people that would be the dominant position. >> because you're on top of the other person, right? >> usually that's a positive, i would think. >> sorry, distracted me a bit so i want to make sure i didn't distract the jury. i'm going to go back even though you answered so they fully absorb it. i'll start by telling again what ground and pound is. >> usually when the person's on top in a mounted position, i believe and the dominant position, but like i said the person on the bottom is able to get out of that position or, you know, throw punches back, but i did not see any of that. >> okay. the dominant position being on top is because you actually have
all of your weight on the person's hips, right, holding them down? >> correct. >> and from that position, the person from the bottom really can't move very much and can't get very much movement or very much leverage, can they? >> i guess that depends on the type of person that's on the bottom. >> sure. and how well trained they are in mma, right? >> i don't know if you have to be trained but i'm sure some other things come into play, i don't know. >> okay. yet the person on top in that dominant position then has his arms free, right? >> correct. >> might have the person on the bottom's arms actually under his knees in that position, right? >> objection, speculation versus at the scene or mma in general? >> well at the scene, speculation sustained as to mma i think you need to lay a better -- >> sure, you've watched enough mma fights to know what ground and pound is. >> sure. >> in certain ground and pound
positions, they can actually the person in the dominant position on top can get the guy's on the bottom's arms under his knees so he has free access to rain blows behind him. >> i'd think his arms are above or close to his head but i don't know. >> nonetheless the person on top has his arms free. the night you saw, the person who now know to be trayvon martin was on top raining blows down on the person on the bottom george zimmerman, right? >> that's what it looked like, correct. >> now i said a moment ago you couldn't actually see fist hit face, right? >> no. >> because it was blocked by what? >> i didn't say it was blocked. i said it was dark out. >> and you were looking at trayvon martin's back, right? wasn't that what was towards you? >> incorrect. on the sidewalk, their side to
me because they're laying on the sidewalk which would be going lateral to my house. >> that's right. >> or parallel. >> i'm sorry, by the time they got up to the sidewalk, they had sort of moved into position where there's a little bit more you could have seen george's left or right side? >> it would have been his right arm. >> right arm toward you and trayvon martin's left side would have been more toward you. >> correct. >> that's where you saw him striking town? >> that's what it looked like yes arm movement going downward. >> how many times do you think? >> i have no idea. as soon as i saw the movement going downward i turned around and went back inside. >> that's when you knew it was serious. >> it looked like it was getting serious, not someone playing around. >> that's when you heard george zimmerman screaming for help? >> incorrect. >> when was it? >> it was in the beginning when i finally saw someone under the person on top. >> i apologize for not asking the question the right way.
when was the first time that you heard the person on the bottom scream for help? >> when i initially went outside, didn't see a second person, then i could see a second person and it sounded like it was coming from the person on the bottom, because usually when someone's on top the person on the bottom is the one screaming or yelling and that was when i heard that but i didn't hear anything after that. >> okay, and balancing, you're trying to be literal and tell us exactly what you remember observing and using your common sense. do you think that it was the person on the bottom who was screaming for help? >> rationally thinking i would think so. >> as a matter of fact, i think you said in response to the round of questions had it been trayvon martin screaming for help, since his back was to you, it would have had to be going, the yell would be going away from you and i think you said it would have to bounce off the wall. >> i think it would sound
different that's why in my head i thought it was come from the person on the bottom. >> the sound that you heard was sounding like a person screaming from 15 or 17 feet away almost directly at you, right? >> it sounded like it was coming towards me, correct. >> okay. i jump back to that, i apologize, so they now moved up, they're now in the true ground and pound position and there were histrionics about what you heard and didn't hear so i now have to do it as well. did you hear something like this? >> no. >> could something like that have happened without you being able to hear? >> objection. >> sustained. >> were you paying attention to the noise of the ground and pound that you were watching? >> probably not. i was just seeing to make sure it was serious or not and when i went back inside. >> have you ever heard the sound
of a skull being smacked against concrete? >> i can't remember. >> have you heard the sound of a fist driving into a nose or a head or a face? >> i can't remember. >> so while it wasn't the histrionics that was suggested it certainly could be, could have occurred that mr. trayvon martin was hitting mr. zimmerman but you just don't remember today the sound of that? >> objection, speculation. >> sustained. rephrase your question. >> sure, i'll rephrase it. you're certainly not telling this jury that you're certain that mr. martin wasn't striking george zimmerman in the face, right? >> can you repeat that? >> you're certainly not telling the jury that you know that mr. martin was not striking george zimmerman in the face? >> i can't 100% confirm that that was happening. >> right? >> yes.
>> and you just don't want to say that trayvon martin was taking george zimmerman's head and hitting it on the cement because you didn't actually see that, correct? >> yes, i couldn't see that. >> and it was because of the darkness and the positioning of the people? >> yes. >> you of course testified during your deposition and other times regarding what you heard and the disparity or the seeming disparity between what you remember hearing and what the 911 call seems to indicate, right? >> if you're referring to the call you played in my deposition, yes. >> yes.
>> it just doesn't seem like the same screams to you, does it in. >> well one's coming from an audio and one i was hearing in person, so it didn't sound the same to me, no. >> so you perceived them differently than you heard on the 911 call, correct? >> yes. >> you're certainly not suggesting to this jury that they're not the same screams from different perspectives, are you? >> i couldn't say. >> you are aware miss lauer's call to 911 was timed perfectly with the screams that she heard and of course the gunshot that you heard, correct? >> what do you mean? >> you heard the gunshot, correct? >> correct. >> and you've also heard that gunshot on miss lauer's tape, correct? >> correct. >> so going back in time from the gunshot backwards on miss lauer's tape, you heard on miss lauer's tape there was probably 40 seconds worth of screaming that was recorded on that call, correct?
>> objection speculation in terms of the time. >> he can testify if he knows. >> sure. >> can you repeat the question? >> sure. i tell you what, here's what we'll do, if i might have a moment i'll let you listen to miss lauer's call again and i want you when you're listening to it, i want you to think throu through, i'll tell you 45 seconds into the phone call you're going to hear the gunshot so be ready for that because i want you to testify what you remember seeing sort of in time line with when you remember hearing the shot. >> i wouldn't be able to tell you. >> i'm going to let you hear the tape and we'll go from there. >> okay. >> if i might have a moment to set that up, your honor.
>> and just for the record purposes, your honor, i'll identify the exhibit number in just a moment. this is of course the evidence of miss lauer's telephone call already put in evidence. >> it's number 158. >> thank you very much, 158. >> 911 do you need police or medical? >> maybe both, i'm not sure. there's someone screaming outside. >> what's the address they're near? is it in sanford? >> yes. >> is it a male or female? >> it sounds like a male.
>> you don't know why? >> i don't know why, i think they're yelling "help" but i don't know. send someone quick. >> does he look hurt? >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there, i don't know what's going on. >> they need to come now. >> they're sending them. >> you think he's yelling "help"? >> yes. >> all right what is your -- >> there's gunshots. >> you just heard gunshots? >> yes. >> okay, you heard the gunshot toward the end of the recording? >> yes. >> and i know from different perspectives but with your knowledge of the information of this case, that was the same gunshot that you heard from inside your house? >> it didn't sound the same. it sounded more like a rock hitting my window because i was inside. >> but with your knowledge of the case now and your testimony here, you know it was the same gunshot, correct in. >> yes. >> and it sounded much different from across the street, if you
will, across the pathway and inside miss lauer's apartment, correct? >> correct. z>> you didn't hear your voice n that tape though, did you? >> no. >> you obviously did say what you said to them, correct? >> correct. >> and the mere fact that it doesn't show up on the tape doesn't suggest that you didn't say it, does it? >> i know what i said. >> straight to winnie mandela making a statement in south africa outside the hospital. >> thank you very much for your presence. this is the first time ever that we are able to thank you, the media from home, here and the international media. on behalf of the family, we just
want to tell you how grateful we are to you. the role of the media is to inform, and we are here to say thank you very much and there may be problems here and there, when some of you get carried away with the reports, and talk about our father in the past sense. we are just here to thank you very much for your support and we have no idea of the love out today for us in our particular situation, and if sometimes we sound bitter, it is because we are dealing with a very difficult situation. you can understand our emotions, and we really have come here not to answer any of your questions. the condition is as you are
informed daily through the presidency how he is, and we are very, very happy to be direct with you in this manner and we are hoping that from time to time we will be speaking to you in this fashion, and it is very special to us that you are here in orlando, where it all began as long ago as 1943, when this house was built and this is the first house matiba lived in for years until then you know the rest is history. i'm not here to answer any medical questions. i'm not a doctor but i can say from what he was a few days ago, there is great improvement, but clinically he is still unwell.
and we are available any time you have very special questions which we can answer, but as i'm not a doctor in my family, my eldest of the sons, the ambassador, so we are thanking you on behalf of each individual member of our family. >> is he going to meet president obama? >> how on earth would i know that from here? i'm going to hospital from here and i don't think that would be correct. >> at this time as a country, what are your expectations for the south african public but also from the international community as well? there are people who supported the struggle. what is your view? excited or fears?
>> that is our problem, how do you get excited at the prospect of an inevitable eventuality one day. it is those sorts of things that make it difficult for some of my children and some of my grandchildren because then it becomes very difficult to understand the seeming impatience and statements like "it is time for the family to let go," and the statements like "we are praying for the family not to pull the tubes," those are insensitive statements that none of you would want made about your parents and your grandparents. those are insensitive statements and we are interacting with you and appealing to you as the most senior member of this family
that please n your reporting, please be responsible, please understand sensitivities and the feelings of the family, but although you are with us, it can also happen that you crossed a boundary. >> thank you. >> all right, the ex-wife of nelson mandela coming to the microphones, winnie mandela speaking to the media about the condition, her hopes for reporting coming from the media. keir simmons has been watching this critical situation in pretoria. he has the latest with us right now. what do you make of winnie mandela coming to the microphones? we weren't sure whether she was going to do it or wasn't earlier. >> reporter: yeah, well it's the first time that she's spoken at length since nelson mandela was
brought to the hospital now more than two weeks ago, and she has been here almost every day to see him. it was difficult for me to hear what she was saying there but doctors and the presidency is still describing nelson mandela as critical. i heard her also being asked about discretion that everybody here is asking whether or not president obama will come to the hospital to see nelson mandela and i'll just fill you in with what the president is saying about that, on board air force one he spoke to reporters and he said we'll see what the situation is when we land. i don't need a photo-op. the last thing i want to do is be obtrusive at a time when the family is concerned with nelson mandela's condition. >> keir simmons with the latest, winnie mandela just coming to the microphones in pretoria. thank you again, keir simmons. we'll get back to the george zimmerman trial as well right here on msnbc as we've been listening to john good on the witness stand, we'll have that after a little bit. stay with us right here on
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we are still watching the george zimmerman trial. john good on the stand right now and just before we went to break what was being said by john good in a series of questions was about something called ground and pound, it's a ufc term of fighting. lisa bloom, msnbc analyst has been watching along with us. as we've been talking about this throughout the last three or four days they were trying to establish at least in the line of questioning who was on top in this fighting technique. >> this is a prosecution witness but on cross-examination by the defense, defense attorney mark o'mara has gotten a lot of very useful information for the defense out of this witness. this witness has testified on cross-examination that george zimmerman in a red jacket was on the bottom in the fight that he saw that trayvon martin was on the top, that george zimmerman was screaming for help. the shot then rang out and that's consistent with the defense version of the case. he's now being asked about
statements he made to the media. >> when we look at this, lisa, there's the sounds, the establishment of sounds and the way the defense was characterizing as histrionics. why is this important? >> because it's hard for witnesses to characterize sounds. initially he said i heard sounds and then i looked outside and he really couldn't characterize them. then he went outside and told the two men in the scuffle to stop, he was calling 911. he said trayvon martin was on top, he did not turn and did not acknowledge what john good was saying to him. >> back to the trial. >> -- consistent with what you've told us today and every other statement you've given, correct? >> yes. >> tell me why you initially thought that this just -- tell
me why you initially thought this may have been just a dog fight of some sort? why did that come to mind? >> like i said, we have a lot of dogs that get walked back there, maybe a dog got loose. i have no idea. it was daytona 500 weekend, people were probably partying. >> any problems you have in the neighborhood with dogs or dogs getting loose or anything? >> nothing out of the ordinary from just getting off the leash maybe. >> may i have a moment to approach the clerk, your on why are. honor. may i approach the witness, your honor? >> yes, you may.
>> let me show you what is in evidence as state's exhibit 45 and take a look at that for a moment. do you recognize who that is? >> no. now i do. not at the time. >> right, at the time you didn't. that person, is that the clothing that you saw that night? >> i can't say it's exactly the clothing but it was definitely a red or a lighter color. >> does that red seem like the color red that you saw on the bottom that night? possib possib possibly. >> one moment, your honor. i'm almost finished.
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back to the george zimmerman trial, let's go straight and take a listen. >> you saw that night, do you remember that? >> yes. >> okay. >> any objection to putting this in as evidence? >> all right, lisa is still with us, lisa bloom you've been listening to every single part of this trial even as we go to break here, lisa, they seem to be getting their is dotted and ts crossed, making anything of that, are you? >> this is a very important witness for the defense. many residents of the community have testified that they heard something, they saw something, there was a scuffle, there was a gunshot, they can't say exactly what happened because it was dark and raining. this witness who was very close to the fight has said clearly that the person on top was
wearing a dark colored jacket and the person on the bottom was wearing a red or light jacket and that matches the clothing these two men were wearing, trayvon martin in the darker jacket, zimmerman on the bottom in the red or lighter jacket. the defense is trying to get more identifying information out of them. >> stand by, lisa, we'll go straight back and take a listen. >> -- and then where it moved to. >> okay. so to clarify, this is your patio area? >> correct. >> and this is what your view looking out at this scene here first? >> first, correct. >> okay. >> this scene really belongs here, just later in time? >> it's a progressive supposedly, supposed to be a progressive picture. >> right, so this is what you were looking at from here to here first? >> correct. >> and from here to here second although this path is actually the same path, correct? >> correct, and then the third
one is where, away from where i saw on the second part the body ended up. >> tell me the legend if you would and explain what you were indicating with this. >> this is depicting them laying, how i was stating earlier, the one on the black on top, and the one in the red and white on the bottom. >> okay. >> then it moves to the sidewalk laying this way. >> okay. >> with still the person with the black shirt on top and the red shirt on bottom. >> okay, is this now where they're in the straddle position? >> correct. >> with trayvon martin on top? >> yes, i could not draw that. >> that's fine but i just want to orient the jury that's what we're talking about, right? >> yes. >> and then tell me what this number three is right here. >> three is when i went upstairs while i was still on the phone with 911 and looked down and the body was, i don't know, it's not in the same position that i left them in. >> right, you left them in, they
were more closer and had part of their bodies on the cement pathway, correct? >> they were on the sidewalk, yes, and then the body was closer to the, where i was after. >> so when you looked out, did you look out from upstairs? >> upstairs. >> then you saw trayvon martin's body, correct? >> um-hum. >> between the pathway and your complex, i'm sorry your town home? >> correct. >> okay, and i see you have again a stick figure. have you seen the photographs taken of trayvon martin as he lay just after the shot? >> i do not believe so. >> would you defer to the -- do you know -- did you see anyone move the body at all? >> i think i believe i saw him flip him because he was laying face down, flip him over and try to give him cpr. >> when you first saw him from upstairs he was laying face down. >> correct. >> did you see the other person? >> he was on the sidewalk.
standing up. >> did you see anybody else, the man with a flashlight. >> that's when the guys with the flashlights came around the corner. >> okay, so from the time of the gunshot when you were just on the phone calling 911 to the time when you looked out to see trayvon martin's body in the position you just described it, and george zimmerman i think you said walking about? about how long was that delay? >> i don't know, i'm sure if you slice the phone call you could figure that out to the t. >> if we were to look at your phone call you acknowledge having just heard the gunshot, correct? >> um-hum. >> you also acknowledge "i see someone outside." correct? >> correct. >> and that's about the time line that you would say was accurate? >> that's when i'm walking upstafrz yes. >> having heard the gunshot, walk upstairs, tell me if you would, i'm sorry, tell the jury,
if you would, you hear the gunshot when with you are dialing 911, then tell me your movement until you get to an area where you can see trayvon martin's body. >> it was a walking movement upstairs as i was trying to spell out twin trees three times, and when i finally made it to the bathroom area is when i looked down because we have a window and that's when i saw the body. >> okay. little bit slower, were you actually still on the staircase when you were dialing 911? >> i was possibly heading up at that time. >> up the stairs? >> when i finally got a hold of him -- her i believe. >> did you go into one of the back bedrooms? >> the master bedroom. >> and is there a balcony or window out there? >> there's a window in the bathroom and window in the actual room. >> which window did you look out? >> i believe it was the bathroom window. >> again, it is what it is but
could it have been one of the two windows? >> i believe it was the bathroom window. >> and we will defer the exact timing, do you remember when you were on the phone with the 911 operator that you said something acknowledging that you had just seen the body at the time you saw it? >> i don't understand the question. could you repeat it? >> i just kept rolling on, i apologize. if we're going to listen to the 911 tape, on that tape there is a time when you say there's somebody outside and i think he's dead. >> um-hum. >> was that the precise moment or very close in time to when you saw the body you just described? >> that's when i looked down. >> and you saw it. >> correct. >> so we can defer to the tape then for a pretty much exact time delay between the shot and when you saw the body? >> not the exact time the shot was fired, but from when i stated, i just heard a shot, when i was on the phone with him, yes.
>> might i have a moment, your honor? >> yes, you may. >> all right, just listening to john good, testimony from him. he lived in the complex where trayvon martin was killed as he broke down the process that happened in front of him. the breakdown of this ground and pound process. we'll continue to watch the george zimmerman trial here on msnbc as defense, the defense here continues to question the man who witnessed the fight that night. coming up tonight also be sure to watch a special hour of coverage of the george zimmerman trial tonight, 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific here on msnbc.
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this is jonathan good who is on the witness stand, he's a neighbor who witnessed and heard the night of the altercation when trayvon martin died. >> -- then you ended up talking to a detective later on, correct? >> correct. >> and then you ended up talking to somebody from fdle, correct? >> are you going in the order of times i spoke osomeone? >> i'll skip the news right now. you talked to somebody from fdle. >> i believe i did another sbrir with sorrino on the phone. >> and you ended up talking to me and i took a statement from you. >> fdle then you correct. >> is that correct? >> correct. >> would it be fair to say certain questions were not asked of you at the beginning that were asked later on in the later interviews? >> new questions, correct. >> right, in the first interview you were not asked to elaborate on certain things that later on at the end you were asked to elaborate, correct? >> correct. >> in other words nobody had asked you before whether you heard this, correct? >> no. >> and i asked you that,
correct? >> yes. >> and you did not for purpose of the record hear that, correct? >> no. >> in fact what mr. o'mara, he pounded on the cement you did not hear that either? >> no. >> one of the interviews mr. o'mara asked you about ground and pound. >> correct. >> you recall that. could it be that it was investigator sorrino used the words ground and pound and not you? >> i believe it was me, because it was in my initial statement as well. >> so you initially in the original statement to the officer put ground and pound? >> possibly. >> you know i'm going to show you this and