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we have a live report in a few minutes. plus life threatening heat across the country. jesse jackson joins me to discuss his take on the voting right decisions. and my conversation with nick wallinda. he told me his strategy if his he falls from that high wire. president obama is scheduled to meet with the chairwoman of the african union. he met with family members of the former south african president president obama talked about the former leader while holding a news conference with current south african president
jay cod zuma. >> by saying our thoughts and those of americans and people all around the world are with nelson mandela and his family and all of south africans. >> nbc's kristen welker is traveling with the president and is in johannesburg. president obama held a town hall today amid protests. what is president obama saying about his visit with nelson mandela's family. what are you hearing? >> well, richard, good afternoon to you. the president is calling that meeting a privilege. he sat down and spoke with two daughters of nelson mandela and eight grandchildren for about half an hour. he said he expressed his heart felt support for the entire family as they went through this incredibly difficult time. he also reaffirmed the importance of nelson mandela's legacy. the president also placed phone
call to nelson mandela's wife bep also learned today that the president will not be going to the hospital to visit the former president of south africa out of deference to what the family wants right now. president obama was able to visit nelson mandela back in 200 5. that's when mr. obama was still a senator. the first laud diand the first daughters visited him back in 2011 when they were here in south africa. here's a little bit more of what president obama had to say today about the former leader. take a listen. >> the outpouring of love that we've seen in recent days shows that the triumph of of nelson mandela and this nation speaks to very deep in the human spirit. the face of country, that's what nelson mandela presents. >> mandela is still in critical
but stable condition. the president and the first family will travel to robin island tomorrow. that's where mandela was held for 18 of the nearly 30 years that he was imprisoned here. president obama later on in the day will deliver his keynote speech in cape town. and then the final stop on this trip will be tanzania. but all of these stops, richard, really aimed at focusing on the legacy that mandela left here in south africa. by chard? >> thank you so much. ron, the president attended a town hall there a short time ago. but there was also some protests here as you and i spoke about six hours ago. >> yes, richard. a small group of protesters, perhaps 150 at the most. they were very vocal and got a lot of attention. what unifies them is a general assistance of disappointment with president obama based on expectations that he would pay more attention to this continent
during his time as president. there are also a small group of leftists upset about the blockade of cuba that continues under the american foreign policy. concern about drone strikes in pakistan. but overwhelmingly here in this country, there's affection, admiration, and a lot of respect for president obama. he's being warmly welcomed. we're in the heart of the black south african unity. and behind me, perhaps you can hear and see a group of women, it's a choir. they've been out here all day for the most part. there's been other groups. and this is a continuing vigil for nelson mandela that's been happening here. they're right in front of nelson mandela's former home. it's a place he and his wife lived for many, many years. just double play the street is a home owned by desmond tutu. this games to be the only street in the world to have home to two nobel laureates. and i don't doubt there.
people come here to hear word about what's going on. this is the center of the anti-apartheid protests. and to go into the history a little it bit now, back in 1976 was the scene of youth uprisings in the schools when the students were protesting against the introduction of afrikans, the language of the why minority. that was one of the major, major turning points in the anti-apartheid movement. for so many other reasons, it's so important. it's also poernt, president obama coming here to the university down the road to focus on young people. the town hall was about connecting young people in nigeria, uganda swell here in south africa, talking about issues of trade, entrepreneurship and trying to encourage them to be civic leaders as young people. continent of africa, there are all kinds of statistics that suggest that half the population or so is below age 21. it's a very young continent.
that's why it's so important to the future of the world. and that's the message or one of the messages, of course, that president obama was trying to get across to this youthful audience. again, everything is overshadowed by concern about nelson mandela. here, as you can see, there are people who are very, very concerned. the vigil continues until there's more word from the hospital in pretoria. >> what the energy must be based on the headlines there, ron. president obama, such an important figure as well as that of nelson mandela. thank you so much for getting that to us. the very latest from sueto as well as christian welker a little bit earlier. thank you both for your coverage this hour. to front-page politics and same-sex marriage once again legal in california today. the federal appeals court wli lifting the stay that bans marriages. there was a wedding between crisperry and sandy styer.
>> we've been on a long, long journey to get to this point. this point, back on this piece of tape, nine years. nine years. >> the other two plaintiffs in the case were alomarried last night. the los angeles mayor tony villaregosa presided over that ceremony. some conservatives criticized chris christie over hugs with obama after superstorm sandy. he referred himself repeatedly as a conservative leard. he also said this of president obama, he's quoted here, more concerned about right than he is about get things done. all right, now to weather. where rising temperatures along the west coast could break records today. we're talking triple digits, life-threatening temperatures.
officials issuing excessive heat warnings in cities like las vegas, where it could get as hot as 117 degrees. but in death valley, the temperature could reach nearly 130, just short of a world record. nbc meteorologist dylan dreyer is here with the forecast. world roecord? >> think about that. the hottest it's ever where anywhere on earth is 134 degrees. we do have heat warnings and advisories all across the west. temperatures are already in the triple digits. it's 100 degrees in phoenix. but, you know, even though texas isn't under any of those warnings, we're still in the lower 90s already. as for rain, we do have some showers up and down the east coast, down through the panhandle of florida and back through the great lakes. those showers will be off and on over the course of the next couple of days with this area of low pressure spinning in some of those shoupers. we could see strong storms today
in new england. especially damaging hail, damage wind and large hail possible. same goes for the east coast of the rockies back near denver. but the heat is on in an area that's used to the heat but not this hot. we're looking at even in spokane to get up to 91 degrees. burbank, california, 101. palm springs, 11. and las vegas, the all-time record high in vegas is 117. and we should be up there around that. in phoenix, 118 in the forecast. so the northeast will be in the 70s and 80s. the rst of the country will be in the 80s and 9d 0s. but the southwest will be in the 100s, close to 120 degrees. the heat warnings continuing. it doesn't look like this pattern is going to change until the end of next week. so we are looking for an extensive period of extremely hot temperatures. richard? >> so summer is here, huh? second week? >> just snuck right in.
millions of students will see their student loan rates double starting monday. just as congress left for a week-long vacation. 7 mlg undergraduates from lower and middle income house holds who take out stafford loans will see their interest rates jump from 3.4% to 6.8%. and even though the federal government pays the interest while borrowers remained enrolled in school, the increase means an extra $1,000 owed over the tippal 10 to 12-year life of an average borrower's loan. joining us now a lauren fox and
andy sullivan. good saturday. what happened? they weren't able to come up with a deal here. now the house of representatives but the senate wasn't able to get version they were down. they will be able to resolve their differences and apply some ret retroactive fix. but the big take away is that under the all the plans they're talking about, student rate levels would rise somewhat.
they're paying less and less subsidies so that tuition rates are rising. basically it's becoming more expensive to get a college education at a time it's more important than ever. >> looking at those divisions, it's not only across the aisle but also within one aisle. the democrats had two plans that they both would like to, at least these two divisions would like to see move forward. is it something that is on the democratic side that they need to come together on? >> you know, the yats, some folks on the democratic side have said let's just extend these rates for a year or two while we look at more of a longer term fix here. and then there are other democrat wos say no, we would like to tie these twoth treasury rates. but there is a disagreement here. and i think the democrats and their disagreements within their conference certainly had something to do with the fact that they didn't get a decision by the end of the buzzer here. >> and by the end of the buzzer,
andy, we saw those protesters on the capital yesterday. and when you see them out there on a bread and butter issue like this, you have to ask the question, could there be some long-term political effects? repercussions that might result from this? >> this is one of those issues that is incredibly important to young voters who obviously have sided with the democrats in the past. and i don't see a huge political fallout at this point. like i said, they can go back and fix it and practical repercussions. >> lawrence paving the way for the gop majority to force her to reapyre before the committee. can they do this. >> they have subpoena power.
>> she would have to say again she pleads the fifth? without making any statements ahead of time is what you're saying? >> yeah, she should probably not try to have her cake and eat it, too. if she's going to take the fifth, she should probably not make a statement before that. >> talk about the ability to compel her to give testimony, even after saying she's going to plead the fifth there? >> and, you know -- >> go ahead. >> if she comes in and she pleads the fifth and sits there and takes the abuse of some of the folks that are going to continue to ask her questions, they can then vote to hold her in contempt of congress. obviously there's a lengthy court battle and she can be held to $1,000 fine or up to 12 months in jail. the issue is that that takes a lot of time. so i think the house republicans may take that initiative and
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so are we happier? >> well, we are happier than in some cases we have a right to be, given everything that we've come up against in the last, say, six or seven years with the recession and some of the other challenges we face. but when you look back through even the past 40 years, one figure has remained fixed, which is only a third of us describe ourselves as very happy. that means two thirds are falling short. >> interesting. what's the why, though? dig down into that for me? >> the why is a few things. we are a culture that was experiencetially, historically and genetically inclined to want to be happier. we're an immigrant culture. there are a coup of key genes that have been found that seem to define immigrant cull chutur. a tolerance for risk taking. the things that make you get in the boat in the first place. we have that preprogrammed.
now we live in a world that all the building we came to do is kind of done. we don't know quite what to do with ourselves. >> another interesting result from your investigation into this idea of americans being happy is beyond a certain amount of money, you don't need it, you'll just be happy, right? that's the saying. what did you find? >> well, we found, this is called the easterland paradox. everybody believed in it from 1974 on. beyond a certain threshold, money doesn't make a difference. well, guess what? money can fwie buy you happiness. and a little bit of extra income actually increases your happiness more dramatically in a wealthy country than it does in a poor country. you would think a 10% bump if you're not earning much would change your lifestyle in a very big way. but for bill gates, a 10% bump means nothing. but, in fact, more money at the higher end actually makes you happier still. >> so when does it top out,
though? >> acording to these studies, it almost never does. the key is for your assets and aspirations to be in some kind of harmony. if you're earning $170,000 a year. you're in the top 5%. but if you're dreaming of a one percenter's lifestyle, you're going to feel disappointed and frustrated despite the fact that you're doing well. >> interesting. and how much does keeping up with the joness factor into all of this information? >> it factors into it a lot. it's the difference between socioeconomic status and sociometric, how you compare to the people around you. it used to be, we can only see the people who were literally around us in our community. now with reality show, with paparazzi, with facebook. if you've got 1,000 facebook friends all streaming their good ti straight into your eyeballs. >> let's talk about social media and being happier.
some might say gosh, social media has made it more tenuous for us. we think we have to be retweet tweeted or favorited. >> there are a few things about that. people said when they spend any time at all on social media, they come away feeling less good about themselves when they went on. and 76% believe that all their friends are actually exaggerating how happy they are. but they don't think they're exaggerating how happy they are. >> so how are we doing in the united states with other countries. we see studies of norway and sweden. they're always happier than we are. >> and there are a lot of rps for that. in fairness, they face fewer challenges, they're smaller cultures. it's a more ho moj nous culture. you do see scandinavian and northern european countries doing well. but we fall behind malaysia, vietnam, tanzania. we fall behind a lot of other countries that we flatter
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>> welcome in. senate democrats are already fushing for new voting rightsing leg following the supreme court's decision this week to strike down a major provision of the landmark civil rights law while the texas attorney general now saying nothing stands in the way of that state's controversial voter id law. joining me now is the reverend jesse jackson. civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition. reverend, always a pleasure to talk to you. a stab in the heart, talk about reaction and what you're thinking about now.
he had the right to vote. i was 24 before i had the right to vote. it took us 25 years. >> people argue the parameters of the act were outdated, that it uses election data from 1972. and chief justice roberts cited that black voter turnout exceeded white voter turnout in five covered states. there were a total of nine. >> the right to vote was protected. the unprotected right, you'll see a reversion. there have been 800 cases that the federal oversight rejected because of attempts to undermine
it. those who sought to deny the right to vote in 1965, they never gave up on trying to deny the right to vote using various schemes. whether it was voter i.d., birth certificate, never give up. so now with the oversight off, you see states already in motion that make voting more difficult. and make it more expensive. you may lose four latino congress people out of texas. as you saw in dennis kucinich in ohio or run them together, you could lose half the black and latino congresspeople in the next few years. unless president obama goes to the entire congress and speaks to the nation about the importance of a democracy to keep it open, free and fair. >> that's what you want the president to do? what else does he need to do?
>> for example, after we made our case, president johnson made a case, the most secular of all democratic rights. he made the case to the congress and to the nation. president obama goes to that congress and says to them, here is what we achieved. here is what should not be interfered. it's not just blacks. blacks couldn't vote. there was no woman on the supreme court. there were no white women that could vote in the south that could be jurors, for example. 18 years couldn't vote. you couldn't vote on campuses. you can't vote bilingual. it took federal oversight to make sure the right isn't in jeopardy again and should not be. >> you make comments about lbj and what the president can do with congress. and congress is putting forth actions already. patrick leahy says he intends to
take immediate action to write a new voting rights law. what would you like to see in that measure. 50 states, separate and unequal schemes of voting, we really need the constitutional right to vote. i would like to see that. i would like to see what we have loost be regained. and if it needs to be expanded, it might be. emergency management schemes from detroit to ben harbor. with that person having the right to sell off assets, the right to end labor union contracts, there's a real attack up on democracy. that case is in the court as we speak today. they have said -- of course, we saw the manipulation that took place in ohio. and ohio, florida, and pennsylvania said this year, we
intend to determine outcome of re-election. we see the manifestation going flort now. wherever there is this need, let the federal government be protected by right to vote, not states. >> i want to finish where we started. you were 23 about that when the vote rights act was signed into law by lbj. what does this remind you, as you think back. you were 23. i see the ear piece fell out. i'm repeat. that does this decision remind you of that time and of this time now. many had dreams to become school board member and council members and all white legislatures.
they use that. 1965, 2013, they jeopardize it all again. they will do what's the most american thing to do, protect the federal protected right that the vote must be reinforced. >> thank you reverend jesse jackson for coming by today. you have a good weekend. >> thank you, sir. >> this week we bring you the best of office politics and it starts with some thoughts on the battle for immigration reform. take a look. the republicans are will be to work with democrats, because republicans see an incentive for themes in doing it. >> status quo is not working for anyone. it's not working for us, it's not working for those immigrants who many have been here for decades. >> you're talk b about inspiring americans, they're undocumented,
they will not benefit from that. they will not collect social security and things. they are makers and not takers. >> no good options. the state is in collapse. >> it's getting worse right now, alex, because the syrian civil war and the fallout of the arab spring is turning sectarian conflict into a regional confli conflict. and who knows, it might spread to the gulf country. >> this culture of cover-up, and the problems republicans have been having, they haven't been able to clearly explain what the
white house is doing. if it's about the talking points, that story has been undermined. the smoking gun in the talking points turns out to have not been factual. unless the republicans can explain, the average americans aren't going to understand what the scandal is. >> i think they're trying to create the sense of scandal. i've heard them say things like we have to restore integrity. and i think chairman isa has contributed to this. they've overstepped it already. >> i think that you've sort of seen is a blocking minority from the house gob. and nay believe that's why they've been sent to washington. >> we are in the age of four-year campaigns so that when an election is over, it's not over for the losing party. they just keep fighting the campaign. >> when i say congress is unproductive it's when you have a divided government. it lends itself to being unproductive because that's when a lot of folks here want.
>> canada's first year office. a third of the senate and all of congress will be running, too. >> i don't think she is taking it all in. all of the old attacks are going to come back. >> people will sort of ask questions, who is the next barack obama? it's kind of hard to say. it's channelling. you do have the attorney general of california who, you know, people are looking at. you do have cory booker obviously who's going to run for the united states senate in new jersey. it's been interesting, the sort of lack of an immediate in-rush of other black candidates who could sort of fill in and be the next barack obama.
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take a look, a walk across the little colorado gorge near the grand canyon on a two-inch fire. 1,500 feet above the ground without a safety net. the first time it's ever been done before. joining me now is the epic high wire performer nick wallenda, also the author of a new book called "balance." thank you for joining us. and wow, i watched the entire walk that you had done. i've got to ask you, what was going through your mind throughout that entire space, especially when you had to kneel. >> i was trying to stay very focused on that wire. it's important i don't build any frequency. there's nothing to take the vibration out of that cable. so as i walk, if i keep walking, i'll build a rhythm so big it will kick me off. >> you were praying to jesus throughout the entire 20-mus-plus walk. you said in the past that you believe it's a gift that's been given to you by god in terms of your entire family being able to do these amazing performances.
what do you think this does for your faith? >> i always make sure it's clear, there's no way i believe that god keeps me on the wire. it's up to me whether i train properly. if i fall, it's not god's fault it's nick wallenda's fault. >> was there a point you didn't feel prepared? >> mentally, it's more straining than anything. you can train all dilong, but when you get up 1,500 feet above the ground on a wire two inches above diameter with nobody around you and no safety, your training comes into play a lot. >> you run at the end i noted. what's the idea behind that, just because you're so excited, not worried about falling off at that moment. it's just excitement. i can move quicker throughout that walk. but again, if i move too quick i build rhythms in the cable. at the end, i know if i'm running and build a rhythm, it won't come back to me.
if i kick this end, it comes back through this way. >> what have you trained for in terms of the the way you fall. >> my entire life, if winds are getting too gusty, i wrap around the wire and hold on as much as 30 minutes. the rescuers will be to me in 30 seconds. my grandfather did what he was supposed to. the problem was he wasn't supposed to be walking the wire. he had an injured hernia and collarbone. >> what were some of the thoughts you had when you hit the ground again. >> this was a dream in the making. the first time i ever envisioned this i was a teenager. to be able to complete that dream at the age of 34 and do something again, complete yet another event no one has ever done, and complete it in the fashion i wanted to. over niagara fall, my network
partner said you have to wear a tether. it's something that took my dream away. >> your new book called "balance" what you do for your career, but what do you want people to take away from that book? why did you write it? >> i hope that people are inspired every time i do an event. i hope they're inspired by that book. so many people reached out to me and said tell us your life story. it really is my life story at the age of 2 when i took that step off the wire at 2. nick wallenda may seem supernatur supernatural, but he's just a normal guy. >> i would say more than a normal guy, based on what we've seen in your career so far. wow. i'll end it with that word, as i started it. amazing stuff that you do. appreciate you stopping by. >> thanks for having me. >> neick saying that his feet have no callouss, whatsoever. he also says he would like to
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who was on the phone for trayvon probably better played for the jury. teenagers are mumblers. she's the key witness to make the moment that trayvon was afraid of zimmerman moments before his death. >> up with of zimmerman's neighbo neighbors said he was an eyewitness. here is what he said. >> what you saw was the person on top in an mma style straddle position? >> correct. >> it was further described as being ground and pound? >> correct. >> what is ground and pound? >> that's usually what takes place in that type of position. >> mma to the extent you're aware mixed martial arts. >> ycorrect. >> you knew enough to name it.
>> yes p. >> the person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom. >> that's what it looked like. >> john good describing zimmerman on the bottom. the prosecution knew this was going to come out. why did they call good to the stand? what's your thought. >> they really had no choice to do it. this person was an eyewitness to the case. the prosecution really has a duty to put forth all the evidence and for them a lot of these witnesses have turned into a might nmare for them. this witness supports the defense contention that mr. z zimmerman was getting beat up. that's a difficult thing to overcome for the prosecution. they really had no which i say. they put other witnesses on who were not helpful at tend of the day. they were placed in a position
of having to be confronted by the witness. they don't get to choose their witnesses. they are who they are and who saw the case. this witness was devastating on the issue of second-degree murder. there's other issues that might go to the question of stalking and how a jury might view the fact that this case started as a consequence of mr. zimmerman stalking him or following him and that's important. it's not over in that sense. this witness was devastating for the prosecution in terms of their theory of the case. >> lisa i want to talk about another one of witnesses. physician's assistant lindsay folgate treated him after the shooting. she also used the word mma saying that's what she had heard him tell her. how might zimmerman's training in mixed martial arts resonate with the jury?
>> i presume the prosecution wants to begin to put this thought in the jury's mind. here is a man trained in mixed martial arts and whether he was on top or underneath could have resorted to his martial arts expertise rather than deadly force to defend himself. i think it's pretty clear that the prosecution could see opportunities to raise the point that should the self-defense come up which we expect it will, zimmerman went too far when he reached for his gun. >> john, all the way to the end here, the defense repeatedly showing pictures there of zimmerman's injuries. do they risk desensitizing that injury be showing the picture so often? >> i think so. i've been in cases where that's happened. the pictures are what they are. i think what a jury will look after seeing these pictures is
whether how serious are these injuries. there's blood from it but the injuries were not that deep in terms of it. it could be helpful. it's helpful to defense. pictures speak loud than anything else. it's consistent with the fact he had his head pounded. there's going to be jurors who say that's evidence of him having been in a fight. the we should he have used deadly force is different. that will support that position. >> thank you so much on this saturday. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> one note on this story. george nhas sued nbc universal. she made a name as a cover girl. now her fame is helping to aid u.s. troops. she's joining us live. that's just ahead.
president obama meets with family of nelson mandela. snowden waits but for what. student loan interest rates are set to soar monday. aiding the troops. model brooklyn decker talks about how she is giving her support. it's 1:00 in the east. 10:00 in the west. here is what's happening for you this hour. developing news in egypt. an american college student was killed during violent anti-protests. we have the latest in cairo. what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: the protesters are saying so far seven people have
been killed. it's been relatively peaceful. they're getting sharper. on the one end you have opponents of morsi who says legitimate series of controversy. then you have those who say this man was elected in a free election. the army is a bit of a wild card. they said they would intervene if the violence escalates. they're a high alert and a visible presence in the capital. tanks have taken up position. meanwhile u.s. president barack obama who earlier today in south africa said he was watching the situation with great concern also urged our leaders and parties involved in this stand off to engage in constructive dialogue and he also said that the top priority for united
states is to keep its embassy and counselor staff in egypt safe. we understand that non-essential staff and faculty have been evacua evacuated. we expect the protests to be massive going into sunday. >> thank you so much for that report for us. andrew was set to begin his j junior year. the family said he went to egypt because he cared. profoundly about the middle east and he had study in peace and understanding. he cared deeply about his family. president obama is in the middle of south africa. he met with the family of nelson mandela who remained critically ill. we are joined live by kristen.
now that he's met with the family what do we know that's been discussed, if anything. we know that president obama met with two of his daughters as well as several grand children. prior that meeting he and the first lady called nelson mandela's wife who is with mandela at the hospital. they spoke with her for a period of time as well. the president will not be visiting mandela. the white house says out of deference for what the mandela family wants at this time. the president has met him back in 2009 when president obama was
still a senator. president obama really expressing the importance of nelson mandela's legacy almost at every stop. >> a priority placed on a constitution and rule of law and respect for human dignity and that all people are treated equally and that we will rise above our parochial concerns. >> reporter: the first family will be visiting robin island. that's where mandela was held for nearly 18 of the 30 years he was imprisoned. it's shifting the relationship
to one based solely on aid. president obama has opinion talking about new investments in food security, trade. china has far out paced the united states when it comes to investing in africa and also investing in the youth here. earlier today president obama spoke with young african leaders. outside that event hundreds of people protested president obama for his foreign policy. they opposed his use of drones. his policy toward cuba and the middle east. the president greeted with a mixed reception. when the white house was asked about those protests they said that's a part of a vibrant democracy. that's part of what nelson mandela fought for. >> thank you so much. to front page politics. republicans on the house oversight and government reform committee have pushed through a resolution saying a key figure in the controversy surrounding
the irs has forfeited her right to remain silent. she invoked the fifth amendment before the panel last month. the committee wants to question her about the irs singling out tea party groups. it's been nearly a week since edward snowden arrived at moscow's airport. he's been held at the transit zone. that's d, e and f. fst a no-man's land for man with no passport, visa and increasingly fewer options. jim, what happened on today's flight for havana. was he on it is the question? >> reporter: the big answer is no. once again he was not on today's
cuban airway's flight. that's almost becoming old news. what's interesting is how the coverage changed in barely a week's time. last monday dozens of journalists were on the flight wasting a lot of time and money. then it became dozens waiting for him in the transit zone. today there were a few journalists and they were waiting on the russian side of the airport. also we noticed the tweet volume has decreased substantially from practically one every second to just several today. you get the impression it's now sinking into the media that snowden is really stuck here in moscow. he has no valid documents so why even bother covering this daily flight to havana. >> one of the questions is transit zone a limbo area as some are calling.
do many international airports have that and how would you describe the one that's in moscow at the airport there. >> reporter: it might seem bizarre to our viewers but most international airports including many airports in the states like lax and jfk have these lounges or transit zones. these are for passengers traveling abroad who are going to take another onward flight without crossing immigration. it is a no-man's land tand it'sa duty free area. there's a hotel and lots of restaurants. what's different about this transit is its size. you mentioned d, e and f.
it's three interconnected terminals. figure walking the length of like three football fields and still being inside a transit zone with all kinds of off limits, vip rooms, authorized personnel rooms. he could be in any one of those. >> i've read that one of the rooms cost $300 a night. very fascinating as we continue to follow just this chapter of the snowden story. what nancy pelosi told our next guest is sure to create lots of buzz about 2016. find out why. frds other! ta-daa! try charmin ultra strong. it cleans so well and you can use up to four times less than the leading value brand. oh! there it is. thanks son. hey! [ female announcer ] charmin ultra strong has a duraclean texture that can help you get clean while still using less. and it's four times stronger versus the leading value brand. charmin ultra strong helps keep you and your underwear clean.
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boehner and nancy pelosi encouraging them to take up immigration reform now. joining us now is susan page and reid wilson. susan, break out that crystal ball. i have to ask you what's going to be the timing on this? is it going to be new year's eve and we see the debate come down again? >> it's possible. the advocates home an immigration bill is passed long before we get to the end of the year. the history of congress is you should not expect them to get to a timetable and especially on the issue of immigration it's very important to president obama. the more it's identified, the harder it will be to get through the house which speaker boehner has said he's going to insist on a majority of the majority. a republican of majority votes. that's going to be tough to do.
>> even though speaker boehner has violated that rule in the past. reid, the senate bill that's been passed over to the house includes a very important part for those that had concerns about border security. it's got that almost $50 billion funding that will be required for it. it doubles the number of u.s. boarder patrol agents and will have 700 miles of fencing as well. did that put that to rest as it goes over to the house. will we not see that discussed and debated? >> absolutely not. border security is the critical key to winning over those republican votes that john boehner needs to not violate the hastert rule. adding the extra security was important in winning over a number of republican votes or giving those republicans in the senate the cover to be able to vote for it. now in the house you'll see a lot of talk especially from their constituents outside the beltway about border security and the importance of securing the border and making this a
security first bill is key to passing this thing through the house in the first place. i think you'll see the outside groups advertising around this bill. we've seen close to 7.5 million dollars seen on television ads around the bill talking now about how secure this makes the border. this is critical. this the is reasons number one priority. because they are a majority and house this is what matters to them. >> i guess all three offous are looking at july 10th. that's when they will take up this very issue. some of those lawmakers already starting to beat the drum. he says the first thing to do is enforce existing laws rather than have more. is he right there? >> we heard the congressman talk about the issue of amnesty and providing a pathway for citizenship for the 11 million immigrants in the country
illegally, i think that will be final issue to be resolved. it's hard to see a congressman agreeing to a pathway to citizenship. that's something democrats will insist onto get a bill passed through. that's something to watch. >> again loorking ba ilooking b and he thought in so many ways president reagan signed off was not well done and did not agree with what the president done back then. >> of course, the argument that's made and there was a program that, a law that led to illegal immigrants become citizens then but the flow was not staunched. the concern now is if you do this again does it encourage people to try to come here illegally rather than go through the legal channels. that's a big debate. >> let's take a step back in the week. reid someone said this has been
an incredible week. we have decision on same-sex marriage. in texas wendy davis doing a filibuster with those red shoes. how big of a week has this been for democrats an president obama overall? >> it's been a big week political my speaking. i don't think it was a nonstop win for democrats. don't forget the day before the sex-sex marriage the decisiosam marriage, it will have a longer term political impact than anything that happened this week. wendy davis filibuster made her an all star. you should see the number of democrats who are now jumping on her band wagon and trying to raise money for her or touting her so they can build their own
e-mail list. this is what politicians do. they jump on the band wagon. she became an all star this week. we'll see if she runs for statewide off at some point. the climate, i felt like the climate stuff got overlooked. president obama left on this big trip right after he rolled out his proposals. you saw a lot of democrats. joe mansion in west virginia. some in ill i'll an some in west virginia coming out against the climate proposals. that was the democrats. not even what the republicans said about it. a mixed week of all but it's been busy. >> you have that article out on your discussion with nancy pelosi. >> nancy pelosi, the highest ranking woman in the history of politics made it clear she doesn't want to be the last she. she all but endorsed hillary clinton for 2016. she said the democratic party is coalescing behind hillary
clinton and she said she's more qualified to be president than barack obama or bill clinton. >> susan page, reid wilson. thank you both. she's a model, basactress a big supporter of our u.s. troops. we'll chat with brooklyn decker next. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+.
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a lot of money at stake here. $100,000. after branches of the military going at each other. who won? >> the marine corp. won. we had all six branches going against each other. it was a big day but a really good competition. >> you were judging. why did you select the marine corp.? >> they had this burger that had bacon cooked into it with ave e avocado. it was butter lettuce. these were delicious burgers. this one topped it all. >> it's 1:24 on the east. it might have to get one of those. when looking at this, it goes to charity and how will that money make it to families?
>> lowes is donating the money. they supported the branchs for the last six year. a fun thing to do would be to have this cook off and have people from each branch bring their families and children. we have live music out here for the families. it was day to show our appreciation. the uso has various stations set up to make travel for comfortable for our troops. they have a wonderful center here near walter reed that they are building. they are supporting the military with the help of lowes. we had a fun time while doing it. >> what a great idea kicking off the july 4th weekend as we begin celebrating. tell me about the conversations you they have had with your families as they rooted you on. >> they did. it was funny. i did a uso tour in kuwait last
september and i saw some of the troops here in d.c. that were stationed in kuwait last september. to hear them home safe it was a really special parallel from the experience i saw back in september. it's always wonderful. we're out here having a good time. i'm sure they love being showered with love and appreciation. >> what inspires you to do this? we're look at those pictures of your tour last year. what inspired you to become involved in the uso because this is not the first time? >> it's not. i have some family in the military. i think growing up when i did and seeing how the military changed and how much has opinion utilized in the last ten years or so, it really compelled me to get involved. i really kind of hunted down the uso and was like let me visit. let me fo on a tour. last year was my first tour and
it was incredible. any time they call me up and say we want to bring you out to support i'm game. every time. >> sounds great. you have the holy trinity there. you probably have beef, pork and chicken to judge upon. thank you so much for stopping. >> thank you. >> fantastic work you're doing. >> thank you. millions of college students may be about to get a double whammy on their student loans. we'll talk to a lawmaker about that. learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all our drilling activity, twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned,
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welcome back. members of congress are now home for a week long recess and for millions of college students that means a big jump in interest rates. rates will take a big jump on monday. it's a crisis many families are struggling to address. >> we're going to avoid as much as possible going into personal
debt to finance a college education. on the other hand we don't want our daughter to be in such deep debt. >> joining me now is gregory meek. good to see you. students on monday will be saying what happened? >> i'm going to be say to those students i wish i was back in washington, d.c. to deal with this issue. we should have been dealing with this issue. we're talking about the biggest threat to our national security. that's not educating our young people and giving individuals whose families are struggling to make sure their kids can get the quality education. i would not be here today if it wasn't if the sacrifices that my parents made so i could get an education and taking out student loans for what they could not afford to pay for me. we're in that same situation trying to tie student loans to
pay down the deficit. that doesn't make sense to me. we were the strongest country and what made us the strongest country is back in the times we gave kids free education. >> you're talking about market based rates, right? that's what you're saying. you don't want the market based rates for the student loans? >> that's correct. what you're talking about is adjustable rates. what we've seen, what we've just come out of was a scenario where the whole economy was taken down and those most effected were effected by these so called adjustable rate mortgages. many were called predatory mortgages who affected overwhelmingly middle class and poor people. the republicans are talking about as opposed to having a fixed rate, let's just keep the rates where they are for two years and lets try to work this thing out. >> president obama is behind a market based student loan rate. why not go along with him?
>> it's not based upon an adjustable rate. what happens is when you take out that loan today, when you leave you're already at a disadvantage because it took me 15 years to pay off my loans but all of a sudden you may be paying x amount of money and making way and the rate goes up. now you can't afford what you have. to adjust it to the market, if you look at the president's bill it's substantially different than what the republicans have ro posed. >> you're not stap want to extee or two years. >> right. >> even though it might generate billions of dollars over the next decade. >> i'm not looking to generate it on the backs of our students. i want to create an opportunity for the future of america. what better way to invest in america than in the quality of young people. why don't we burden them with that. they're our future.
that are the ones that will take us to the next generation. we were giving people free college education in many places. that's not available today. >> you're back in your district this week. you'll be having some town hall meetings. this subject will come up. do you think it will be the resonating issue or there will be others? >> there will be other also. this has opinion a fascinating week. clearly young people will be focused on this. others will be focused on the supreme court decision some people talked about the south. it has an affect on new york also. the other decision which i praise going back and forth with reference to the ending of doma. >> this is going to come up. what will you tell students that
ask you about this. >> i'm going to tell them i'm going back to fight as hard as i can. i'm ready to work this out. we should have a conversation. >> why didn't you get this done? >> i'm trying. it's not up to me to bring the bill on the floor. i signed up for a motion to discharge. let's have a straight up and down vote. it takes putting the bill on the floor. let's have a straight up and down vote and see what happens and the majority wins. we can't get the bill to the floor. that's why we had to do a december charge petition to get the bill on the floor to vote and see where everybody stands. >> whatever happens this coming week, i hope you have a good barbecue on july 4th as you're out there doing this work. >> i hope i have several because i'm running seeing constituents from barbecue to barbecue. >> thank you very much. same-sex marriages in california have begun following the supreme court's decision
against prop 8 this week. some of t they were forced to answer some of the biggest questions of our time. let's look at these decisions. yay on affirmative action. how do you define the court after this week? >> strategic. for the affirmative action case the court ruled seven to one. it can stand but they stood behind a more tight definition of what policies can move forward. ultimately it's not looking all that positive for affirmative action programs when they go back to the lower courts given the new standards. that's a strategy there. that was keying up for the next day when the voter rights act was struck down. that was a block bluster.
do something about this or we will. that was an 8 to one decision and by a five to four vote with chief justice roberts actually did away with the formula that defines pre-clearance for the states covered under section 5. >> let's talk about those votes. i'm sure you were scratching your head. voting with three liberal judges against prop 8. on doma we had the more traditional law with kennedy voting with all four liberals. what did these decisions teach you about the politics of the justices here. >> it teaches me that justice kennedy was squared to death of following his convictions which would have benefitted the states and all marriage equality for the whole country. instead he wanted to go a little more slowly and that's why he rolled with the liberals on doma
with a more cabin view of equal protection in a way that didn't affect other states. they all called the majority out in doma and said the other shoes don't get dropped, you're just not willing to do it now. prop 8 case, you saw them say that the opponents who appealed the decision once the state got out of the case in california should have had standing to get in there. that's how the california referendum s referend referendum system works. chief justice roberts and scalia joined with the three liberals to insulate from the consequences of his constitutionalism. they said there's no standing. we're not going to reach the
merits. we leave it. >> voting rights and affirmative action we're talking about voting rights for a bit. one they allowed affirmative action stand and they say voter protection is not needed anymore. what's your perception. how does this court look at the issue of race? >> not very happily. we've known for quite some time with the five conservatives they are looking to roll back a lot of gains that were made during the civil rights era and through congress and the war in court, the liberal war in court during the season. it came to their constitutional views with the color blind constitution under reagan and under nixon a bit.
the people don't have the same rights as others have. it's pretty much effective for all for african-americans in this country. we should go no further. things have changed. they're not willing to look deeper with issues for discrimination. >> mike sacks. lots to talk about. busy week for you. i'm surprised you're still awake. a former president is now speaking out about paula deen and has advice for her. the big three weighs in next. ru. ♪ the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. ♪ i'm fed up with always having to put my bladder's needs ahead of my daughter. ♪ so today, i'm finally talking to my doctor about overactive bladder symptoms. [ female announcer ] know that gotta go feeling?
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court's decision on proposition 8 that paved the way for same-sex marriage. we have republican strategist susan and morris reid. thank you for being here. morris, same-sex marriage legal in california and again today the four plaintiffs in the landmark case getting married yesterday. on the flip side there's 35 states that have amendments or laws defining marriage between a man and woman. the fight goes back to the states. when you look at the states individually, which side is better equipped? >> i think this is a state's right issue. the supreme court did the right
thing to get out of the way. the citizens should go to decide what they feel comfortable with. i think if kwou lever it to the people generally things work out the right way. i'm a proponent of folks who you love is your business. i think we're headed down the right path. >> you're saying you believe it swings more toward same-sex laws or amendments to be struck down. >> it's a state right issue. let's leave it to the people and the people of those great states can decide what they believe. if you leave it in hands of people it will be sorted out the correct way. >> susan, what did you think of governor chris christie to change his stance and if he does run will he need to change that stance? >> he doesn't. he's unique if the fact he's been more of a problem solver when it comes to state high pressure his reputation is he's willing to work with both sides
whether it's president obama to get the aid necessary to his state. for him to have this position, which i happen to stand on the other side of is fine and necessary for him to keep with the republican nomination process if he does run for support. if they did put gay marriage or the ballot in new jersey it would probably pass. he's fortunate to have high approval numbers. >> will this carry over no matter which side you're on into the 2014 midterms? >> i think it will carryover at the state level because these decisions are made by the states now. a lot of questions now are going to be asked if our state bans gay marriage can a gay couple who is married elsewhere come here? that question of reciprocity
will be battled out. i think that this issue is going to continue to flare up in those midterm elections. i think this will be a question they'll have to answer. >> presidential reaction to talk about. jimmy carter weighing in on the controversy surrounding paula deen. this is what he said. take a listen. >> i advised her to get some of thoeds people she is helping every day to speak out an show she's changed her relationship with african-american people in the last number of years. my heart goes out to her but there's no condoning the use of a word that abuses other people. >> what's your reaction? >> my reaction is what you say in private is how you feel.
it's a fact i've sort of struck that no one has come to her defense. there's no african-american or employees that have stepped to the plate. i would rather judge a person by their actions than their words. we see people say the wrong thing, get on television and cry. let's look at what she's done. where's the leadership of her company? where are the people that work for her? i would rather judge her by her actions. if you don't have people stepping to the plate i think that speaks to the issue here. >> susan react to that as morris was saying and the former president more people should come forward and if those that are not coming forward to say she's changed in her relationship regarding african-americans that says something. what's your thought? >> she has a cooking show and writes cook books. she's not in a middle of a political debate. she said something she shouldn't
have. she handled it horribly. what she needs to do is step away from the whole situation. she has president carter saying something, reverend jesse jackson and said she should be able to redeem herself. that's all in good. she should get off the stage. this is about money. the reason we're hearing this is all the endorsements that people are taking away from her and that's what this is about and it's saying our society is no longer tolerant of this type of behavior which is something worth noticing. >> i would different on that just slightly. this is not really about her just being a cooking show hostess. people with platform have a responsible to do the right thing. we can't say certain things that are defame certain people. frankly, how you associate yourself in private speaks how you associate yourself in public. i'm struck she doesn't have any
african-americans or other minorities stepping to the table to defend her because she's a celebrity and has these followers. it speaks to something that might be to the core. >> when you look at this towards the core of the issue is that the like a hot potato. we don't want anything to do with her. >> a word on this, to you? >> where do i go with it? i think, you know, for paula dean, i think the advice from president carter was good but his first piece of advice was let the dust sele. i think she's more than somebody who writes cookbooks. i think many americans felt like they knew her and what is coming out about her is so different from who they thought she was and her apology is so different. it felt so insincere. viewers, if you never said anything, cast the stone at me. it had nothing to do with the viewers. it has everything to do with paula dean. i think there's more to the sto story. i think the first thing she needs to start is with a genuine apology. americans are very willing to forgive but not if they feel
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well, we're back with our very rambunctious big three this weekend. back to you, your best and worst. >> my best week goes to senator marco rubio for his work on the immigration reform bill. his decision to go forward and be such a champion has hurt him enormously with conservatives but he never really waivered. it's an act of political courage to get him know it hurt some politically but he did it anyway. we almost never see that in washington. i think that's what voters want
to see more of. i give him the best week. on the other end of the political courage spectrum i'm going to put rick perry for going after the state senator in texas who -- i'm sorry, for going after wendy davis. he went after her personally and he didn't just go after her personally, he went after her mother and her child. to me, that is the lowest of the low. even for rick perry. so i'm going to call him my loser of the week. >> very emphatic about that. morris, what about you, my friend? >> my theme is leadership. if you look at what's going on in qatar where the mirror is patching the torch to is his son who is 33 who now is the mayor. that's showing leadership, something that rarely happens in that part of the world. on the flip side is in south africa where a legend and president mandela may be on his way out is starting to question the leadership skills of the next generation there with those guys a that are leading now with a number of people. leadership is the theme. good leadership and bad
leadership around the world. >> morris, our global thinker today. mu sue san? >> i think the best week goes to the supreme court, not just because they're -- a lot of people are happy with the decision and some are unhappy, pretty even handed. but compared to last year, people are now thinking higher of them. they're no longer thinking that they're just political operation, just trying to get their own agendas across. so i think as an end of session they really did quite well. the loser of the week, i agree with patricia. boy, it was governor rick perry. not just for going after this woman personally and her mother and all that, but it was just dumb politics. he knew he could have a special session come back next week. he knows that they're going to be able to probably get this legislation through. to do something bad and frankly mean to somebody else was just bad politics and bag bad person. >> all right. that's our big three on this saturday. had a -- >> rick perry hasn't changed since he ran for president, huh?
>> wow. >> that makes three. but you only get one. sorry, morris. susan, morris, patricia, thank you so much. that wheres up "weekends with alex witt ". stick around, up next, craig melvin, you have yourself a very good day. [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪
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