tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC July 11, 2013 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
these box stores homogenize our hometowns when each has a walmart, mcdonald's and starbucks, they lose their individual identity. the market should sort that out. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in" closing arguments begin in sanford, florida. the prosecution paints a picture of george zimmerman as a wannabe cop whose assumptions resulted in death of trayvon martin. that's coming up. also a 19-year-old makes a really bad joke on facebook and spends four horrific months in a texas jail charged with making terroristic threats. justin carton is out of jail.
his father will be here to talk about what's next. the rise of the warrior cop. the author is here to talk about how american police departments are looking more and more like american military. we begin tonight with an absolute eruption of shock and fury on the floor of the house of representatives. jettisoned 4,700 hungry americans to get on with the business of shoveling more money into the hands of big agricultural and special interests. since 1973, the farm bill has been crafted to yolk together the fates of the working poor, largely clustered in urban area who depend on food stamps to avoid malnutritions with farmer and agricultural industry in america's hinterlands. it's a strange means of stitching together the two americas. today republicans in the house sawed them apart, stripping the food stamp program from the farm bill entirely, a move that set off a monumental outburst of indignation from democrats. >> mr. speaker, i have finally received a copy of the bill. it appears to have no nutrition
title at all. is this a printing error? >> after an embarrassing chaotic defeat of their last proposal, they've decided to make a bad situation even worse. >> i can't wrap my mind around the shameful nature of this moment. >> you tell me how in the world we can have a farm bill and separate food and nutrition out from it. >> in decades, you have never separated the supplemental nutrition program. >> i really am embarrassed to say today that to feed people would be the reason why they would stop the farm bill. >> the audacity to split off the nutrition parts of this bill is so stunning, it would be shocking except this is a house of shocks. i would say it's one of the worst things you've done, but there's such stiff competition for that honor that i can't really fully say that. >> it was turned from a bipartisan bill into a partisan bill.
>> all the folk want is a piece of a sound bite at home to say they believe in deficit reduction. >> they made a clear choice to protect generous subsidies for agricultural corporations at the expense of the hungry and working poor. >> this is not some little club. we are the congress of the united states of america. the most powerful nation on this planet. and we can take care of all of the people. >> this is the lowest of the low. when we can't pass this, you know, ladies and gentlemen, they can't run the house. >> the only thing that this house will do when it votes today is defeat starving children. >> you are taking food out of the mouths of your own poor constituents. >> hr-2642 is a deadbeat majority's proposal. >> enough already. >> fluenough is enough. >> vote no. >> time has expired. >> vote no. vote no. vote no. it is ridiculous what you're doing to our children.
>> every single democrat in the house did vote no today. along with 12 republicans, but that was not enough to stop the republicans' stripped down farm bill. it passed by an eight-vote margin, 216-208. the last version of this bill went down to surprising and embarrassing defeat last month because the hard right of the republican caucus was not satisfied with the $20 billion in cuts to the food stamp program and so this time around, the leadership went along with folks like louie gohmert and michele bachmann who are pushing the bright idea of separating the food stamp cuts from the farm bill so they could focus solely on the farm stuff and really embrace not caring about the poor. but here's the best part. this is really begs for belief. once eric cantor, the house very quietly stuffed more pork, more spending and more subsidies into what was left of the farm portion of the bill. what republicans cost today will cost more than $195 billion over 10 years. the conservative heritage
foundation eviscerated today's bill on those very grounds saying republicans "wasted the golden opportunity that separation of the farm programs from food stamps could have provided to spend more money than obama on the largest farm program." remember that line the next time any one of those 216 house republicans talks about how much they hate government spending. joining me now is congresswoman donna edwards, democrat from maryland, and congresswoman, we played the tape of your colleagues on the house floor. you deal with a lot from the house republicans. what was it about today that seemed to create this breaking point? >> well, i think that what happened today is that we saw in living color house republicans standing on the side of increased subsidies, more deficit spending, and just sending hungry families straight up under the bus. i mean, it really was outrageous, and i think that democrats today reached a tipping point. i mean, i am so proud of
democrats. every single democrat who stood shoulder to shoulder with poor and working families in this country, who just want a meal. and republicans really deep sixed them today. >> you had a question during today's floor debate, a parliamentary question about an amendment that had been proposed. this is one of my favorite amendments. that would stop members of congress from receiving payments through the farm subsidy program. what ended up happening to that amendment? >> well, what i wanted is for the republicans actually to operate with transparency and with accountability and actually prohibit members of congress who get farm subsidies, who get taxpayer subsidies, who are financed by taxpayers from voting on legislation that would financially benefit them. >> there are several members of congress -- >> there are a number of members of congress who receive taxpayer subsidies and they voted on the
bill that would benefit them today. it was outrageous. >> do you think what we are seeing here is the logical conclusion of a house republican caucus that really has cemented in its mind the mitt romney 47% makers and takers framework who really do see the 45 million folks that are struggling to get by, that are beneficiaries of zchl s.n.a.p. as essentially layabouts, or they're going to lay in the hammock of the social safety net? >> i think we heard it from their own mouths today. i mean, the representative sessions actually described those hardworking americans as extraneous. and i did a hash tag, #extraneous to the farm bill as though somehow you really could separate farm from food for hungry people. and so they said it out of their own words. we didn't have to make it up today. they said it on the floor of the house of representatives.
they said to 47 million americans across the country, we're not going to feed you even though we know you're hungry, and yet we're going to subsidize both ourselves and big corporate farming interests across this country. >> what, then, happens to these folks? i mean, today was an outrage. it was precedent breaking. what is next? i mean, there are so many people in this country that are dependent upon this program. what is the next move here? >> well, and, you know, oddly enough, many of those people who are dependent on these programs are from the congressional districts of members who voted for this outreach today. and so i think that, you know, those families who are receiving food stamps, school nutrition programs, meals on wheels, all across this country, our seniors, are disabled, need to stand up in those congressional districts because i'm going to tell you something. it's not really the people in my congressional district who benefit the most from these
programs. >> right. >> it's the people in those congressional districts from kentucky and missouri and alabama and all across this country. and they need to stand up to their legislators who voted today to say to 47 million families, hardworking, i mean, most of the families who are actually receiving these benefits go to work every day, chris. they contribute every day. they are part of the fabric of this country. >> and they are not a part of the fabric as far as the house republican caucus was concerned today. >> that's right. >> congresswoman donna edwards. thank you so much. joining me now, steve el list from taxpayers for common sense. federal budget watchdog group. steve, you followed this bill more closely than anyone i know and have been e-mailing me for a week, tearing your hair out saying i cannot tell you how terrible this is. it's worse than you could have imagined. why is it so bad? what did the house republicans do with this bill? >> well first off, chris, i mean, one thing is we have not been -- we actually do think
separating the two is not necessarily a bad idea because i think the log rolling that's fwo gone on has inhibited reform in both areas. that doesn't mean we're saying we shouldn't go ahead with s.n.a.p., and maybe gone ahead with s.n.a.p. first. the ag portion, the ag safety net is really a hammock for farmers. we just had the worst drought in a generation and we had one of the best farm income years in history. and so you realize that this is really not a safety net. it's really propping them up. we're guaranteeing farmers up to 8 80% of revenue today. this bill would actually add in these new shallow loss programs that would provide insurance up to 90% of revenue. i mean, what american wouldn't have wanted a deal like that? we're bringing back countercyclical policies where we're setting target prices, where we're going to make sure that the commodities don't go below that. >> here's what i'm hearing from you. >> yeah. >> the way the programs work is, look, we all as americans face
risks. people lose their jobs in the service sector all the time. the way this farm program works is the government pays for insurance, essentially, to make sure you don't lose more than 10% of your income in a given year. >> exactly. there's a little bit that comes from the farmers, but more than 60% of the crop insurance comes from us. and so, yeah, there's almost -- we've removed risk from agriculture. it is a purely profit-making going right now. >> and i'm sure i'll just say this, there are millions of service workers in this country making minimum wage, $8, $9, $10, folks we were talking about yesterday in d.c. who are maybe going to work at those walmart stores. i'm sure everyone would love a federal subsidized insurance on their income to make sure from year to year if there was a disruption, they would not lose too much. >> absolutely. then what made this bill, the one they rolled out at 8:00 p.m. last night -- >> 600-page bill they rolled out at 8:00 p.m. and voted on today. let me be clear about this. a 600-page bill they rolled out at 8:00 p.m. yesterday and voted on today. yes. >> absolutely.
they told all of their conference it's exactly the same as what was amended at the end that failed last month. but when we looked at the bill, because we actually do read the bills, and we found in there that they essentially made this permanent law. all the bill before it was expiring in 2018. actually this is going to be the law of the land in perpetuity. >> wait a second. you're telling me a month ago they had those provisions that were going to sunset. voted on today, told their own caucus there were no changes but in fact lied about it and chaths that were going to sunset permanent in perpetuity. >> they repealed what used to make the fampl bill go, we'd have to -- so they repealed that then they made this bill permanent. instead of having a not so great thing of having the thread of
the -- >> these subsidies are locked in forever. >> exactly. 2013 becomes this permanent fiscal nightmare for taxpayers. >> steve ellis from taxpayers for common sense. thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. all right. coming up, second-degree murder or manslaughter? the jury is given a new option in the trial of george zimmerman. little things anyone . it steals your memories. your independence. ensures support, a breakthrough. and sooner than you'd like. sooner than you'd think. you die from alzheimer's disease. we cure alzheimer's disease. every little click, call or donation adds up to something big. [ herbie ] eh, hold on brent, what's this? mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ]
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he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another manmade assumptions. unfortunately because his assumptions were wrong, trayvon benjamin martin no longer walks on this earth. >> that's how closing arguments began in the trial of george zimmerman who is charged with second-degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. mr. zimmerman pleaded not guilty claiming self-defense. prosecutor bernie de li rionda phoen focused on the discrepancies of the night in question. >> decides to go back to his car. when this man came out of the bushes, you will see that he changes that and catches himself. he didn't realize originally that he had shot the victim.
well, if he's in such fear and he doesn't realize he's shot him, what the heck is he doing holstering his gun? he originally told the police over and over before and even after this interview he didn't know the name of the street. and then when they just kind of let him talk, he gives the name right there. i mean, it's common sense. there's only three streets and he's lived there four years. >> possibly the most important thing that happened today was the prosecution's successfully getting a lesser charge included for the jury's consideration. so the jury can now convict george zimmerman of second-degree murder or can convict him of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the first-degree. or the jury can acquit him. closing arguments for the defense begin tomorrow. joining me now is lisa green, attorney and legal analyst. lisa, great to have you here. my first question to you is how significant was getting the lesser included charge? what's the difference, the burden of proof between getting to the manslaughter charge and the second-degree murder charge? >> it was a significant aid to the prosecution, chris. the big difference is malice. what was going on in george zimmerman's mind when he shot
trayvon martin? did he have something close to a malicious intent to kill him? much higher burden. under the manslaughter charge, simple negligence can do. that's obviously an aid to the prosecution. no matter what pundits say about how this is some capitulation by the prosecution to include a weaker charge. there's no question, they want a conviction. and this is a better rule. >> under the context of the burden of proof being what it is, beyond a reasonable doubt, you don't want to create a forced choice if you're the prosecution between letting him walk entirely and the second-degree murder charge which requires them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a state of mind that seems to me as an amateur viewer of this trial a difficult thing to establish. >> right. take note of the defense's decision to want of sort of roll the dice there and say we'll go for either second degree or nothing. a dramatic move, but it indicates a sort of confidence they have that they've got what it takes to acquit george zimmerman. >> there were two main things in the prosecution's closing today, i'm sorry. the first were the discrepancies
we saw de li rionda talking about there. this sounds like a defense case. the defense i've been accustom to questioning credibility to stir doubts because they only have to create doubts, they don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. what did you think of it? >> a road to conviction in this case by necessity goes to george zimmerman's narrative. he's told his story several times. the jury has heard all sorts of different versions of george zimmerman on audiotape, videotape. at the end of the day, to use a tired cliche, the jury is left with those narratives. where was the affirmative narrative the prosecution could put on in this case when trayvon martin is not here to tell that story? >> that's exactly what's so frustrating about watching this entire thing. the only two people who are there, one survived and one is dead so you have that one person's account. i thought the discrepancies they did point out, though, lead one
to view george zimmerman in unkind light, and at worst to think this is someone who knew he did something wrong who immediately started fabricating a story to make sure that he could get off. is that basically the theory of the prosecution here? >> well, the prosecution actually has to meet, as you know, certain technical standards of evidence. what it does, chris, is sets up a very interesting day tomorrow. what the defense will do in my opinion is telescope the story. the prosecution led us through a fairly long narrative. st zimmerman's understanding of self-defense law. his thoughts going into those fatal moments. i think the defense is going to want to focus those jurors on the moments before -- >> there are all these actions george zimmerman takes beforehand. the fact what he says to the nonemergency call line. the fact he ignores repeated requests to not follow. the fact he does follow trayvon martin. the fact he follows him and seems to change his story about whether or not he followed him. that he knows where the streets are or not. >> he knows about self-defense law. >> knows about self-defense law. >> to construct his own narrative after the fact the
prosecution would say to an solve himself of liability. >> that he gets out of the car, perhaps stalks this young kid who's done nothing wrong. we got the full timeline. to create an idea of a notion of someone who does have this malice. let me play the closing in which they use some of the, invoke some of the language that george zimmerman used on that night and the following day. take a look. >> they always come around at nighttime. they being, pardon my language, the [ bleep ], or the [ bleep ] punks that are committing these burglaries. again, going back to that assumption that he made originally when he profiled a 17-year-old boy. >> so i find that incredibly damning, as in terms of my moral judgment of who this person is. that he would say these things. that he had these assumptions. is it legally? >> it's meaningful if you need to prove some sort of intent, that he sort of had an idea in
his mind as he met trayvon martin on that fateful night that this was someone who was going to do wrong and it's critical for the prosecution for jurors to understand zimmerman's mindset that way. i would think no matter which charge they consider. >> so tomorrow what you think we're going to see is rishrinki the timeline and focus on the 40 seconds invokedimony of the struggle that happens. >> there's that and witnesses we didn't hear about today, significantly the particular neighbor who testified and, remember, knew neither of the parties involved and testified he thought george zimmerman was under attack. i think you're going to see the defense reminding jurors of his testimony because it was so, almost central cast incredible. >> quickly the standard here for self-defense? it can not be the case because you have some paranoid delusion that someone is going to kill you, you can kill them and walk. >> put yourself in this mindset. put yourself in the mind of the juror sitting in the jury box. if you were in george
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back in february, carter, lives in san antonio, tx, got into a trash talking argument over the online video game league of legends. according to his father, carter was told he was, "messed up in the head." carter said, "i'm f'd up in the head, all right, i'm going to shoot up a kindergarten and watch the blood of the innocent rain down." right after the deadly shooting at sandy hook elementary, imagine why it would be taken seriously. his son followed it with a message, lol, and jk for just kidding. someone, though, took theesly a tipped off law enforcement. in a detailed report, it's written that a canadian national took a screen shot of the post and sent it to the canadian crimestoppers association and it made its way to the austin police department. believing carter to be an austin
resident living within half a mile of an elementary school, department issued an arrest warrant. two months to the day after sandy hook. police searched carter's home, found no weapons or letters of intent. regardless of this fact, bail was set at half a million dollars. higher than bonds set for murderers and rapists. after months in jail, where carter, according to his dad, suffered terrible assaults, concussions, black eyes and was moved four times for his own protection, the story began to gain national attention and just a few hours ago, an anonymous supporter paid the $500,000 bond. tonight, justin carter is home. joining me now is jack carter, justin's father and don flanery, justin's attorney. jack, let me begin with you. i just want to hear how justin is doing. >> he's doing actually really well considering the situation. he's just -- he was very surprised. he wasn't expecting it. we got to surprise him this
morning. and we got a good meal in him and he's in a nice, safe place with a good bed and he's just really happy to be out and be with his parents and be able to enjoy sunshine and a nice bed. >> so i have to ask both you and don, you as well, i -- it seems crazy to me that you can face ten years for writing something on facebook. at the same time when i go back to covering sandy hook, when i think about the weeks and months after that and when i think about if someone had perpetrated a horrible crime such as that and there had been a facebook posting beforehand, i think everyone would be pointing to it screaming why didn't you do something? weren't the authorities right to step in here? >> chris, absolutely. law enforcement needs to be vigilant. particularly in these times and particularly when we hear comments that were made. the problem is that once they realized that this is just some kid saying something stupid,
making a sarcastic comment, that's when it should have ended and it's atrocious he had to spend five months in jail because his bond is at $500,000. because he's poor and he can't get out of jail. that's the problem that we have with what has happened to justin. >> so is the problem the law here or the way the law's being handled by local prosecutors? >> in my oopinion, it's the way the law is being applied. we need to have tough laws that protect the community. we need to have law enforcement that are vigilant and that look at these threats very seriously. but thinking that justin is a terrorist or a criminal or the things he said were criminal is just plain wrong. he has a first-amendment right to express himself on the internet. he did not threaten anyone. he made a stupid comment. and the problem is, lots of people all over this country, young and old, make stupid
comments. and are we going to prosecute all of those? are we going to investigate all of those? >> jack -- >> this is just -- >> jack, my understanding here is that a plea deal has been offered of eight years and he's still facing ten years. i mean, how do you get your head around what justin's facing now even now that he's out of jail? >> you can't wrap your head around it. it's been the most surreal thing that's happened to our family or anyone that i know. we literally to this day i still can't believe that it's happening and the whole thing just seems ridiculous to me. >> having, being thrown into jail at 19 years old, into general population, i can't imagine that was an easy experience for justin. what were those four months in jail like for him? >> they were absolute hell. he was tormented. all of his stuff was stolen. he was beaten, jumped. they moved him around. they put him in isolation naked for a couple days on end because he was depressed.
it had to have been extremely scarring to him and, you know, now that he's out, i just want to get working on fixing it and getting it going, you know, getting him better. >> he now still faces these charges. what is the statute that he's being charged under, don? >> he's being charged with terroristic threats. there's -- it's a felony. it's a serious felony. it's akin to making a bomb threat. he's being charged with putting a substantial part of the public in fear of violence. and that's not what he did. he answered in an argument from someone else and this is being taken way out of proportion. >> yeah, no one would have seen this if it weren't screen grabbed and sent to the authorities. it's not like he made a call into the local basketball stadium and said there's a bomb there, right? i mean, this is something that was not being broadly displayed. it was essentially between two people. >> that's right.
it wasn't even meant for public consumption. it was between arguing individuals. no different than if we were standing in line and you and i were arguing and someone overheard us. it's not meant to go out to the public. it's meant to be sarcastic to another person. it's not a public threat. and he's now finally we've released him, we got him out, but he spent five months of his life in jail over this. >> jack carter, justin carter's father and mr. flanery, the attorney representing him. i wish both of you gentlemen good luck. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, chris. we'll be right back with #click3. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing.
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report released this week. paints a picture of a police department that is completely off the leash. a department from 2008 to 2011, "engaged in a practice of excessive use of force through officer-involved shootings." the doj found a number of troubling practices including deficient tactics and supervision, significant delays and substantive deficiencies in deadly force investigations." in fact, the report found the miami pd has at this very moment still not fully investigated the 33 shooting incidents. investigations that had they been carried out quickly could very well have saved lives. the report found a combination of seven officers participated in over a third of the 33 officer-involved shootings. of those 33 shootings, one killed 27-year-old travis mcneil, shot and killed by miami pd officer goyos on a routine traffic stop on february 11th, 2011, holding nothing but a cell phone. his mother, sheila, fought to
hold the department accountable for her son's death, hopes this week's reports give her a bit of closure. >> i say thanks to the federal government for finally seeing things our way. it's like it happened yesterday, to me, you know? i miss my son very much. and i'm just glad this is, you know, is coming to some type of conclusion, you know? maybe i can get some type of closure. >> the department of justice's report pulled back the veil on a particularly rotten miami police department. the department that regularly uses an excess of force. the use of excess force by police against the very citizens they're sworn to protect is by no means limited to miami. in an amazing new book titled "rise of the warrior cop" radley balko argues the paramilitarization is leading to a police force that increasingly sees itself at war with the american people. joining me now is the author of "rise of the warrior cop," radley balko and also senior
writing for the "huffington post." it's a fantastic book, remarkable reporting. i suggest folks check it out. what did you make of this report from the doj on miami? how atypical? where is this demarmt on this spectrum? >> you said it was reminiscent of the lapd in the '90s but reminiscent -- this is not the first doj investigation in miami. in 2003, there were several officers indicted for planting guns at shootings. for wiping finger prints off of guns at shootings. 1996, squad of miami cops shot richard brown, also unarmed 123 times while his daughter hid in the bathroom. you know, this is sort after part of the theme in the book is that, you know, you can have rogue officers, you know, you can have bad police officers. you keep getting bad police officers over and over and over again, at some point you have to start looking at policy and have to start looking at incentives and try to understand why you're
producing -- >> what about the system is doing it? so what is broadly the argument of the rise of the warrior cop? what is new, what's risen? what do we have now that we didn't before? >> one is you have the rise of s.w.a.t. teams dramatic over the last 30 years. we've seen a 1 rkz,500% increas s.w.a.t. teams. there are 3,000 s.w.a.t. raids per year in the 1980s. the vast majority of those are for consensual drug crimes. what i also argue in the book, though, this militarization, it's a mindset, right? it's not just the s.w.a.t. teams. it bleeds over into patrol officers who are, you know, also told every day that they're fighting a war and are also sort of dressed like soldiers and encouraged to take on a soldier's mentality. and this is, you know, the mill fair and police have two different functions. it's dangerous to conflate them.
that's what we have done. >> i want to play this clip. this got a lot of attention in 2010. this is video of a s.w.a.t. raid in columbia, missouri. you don't often see footage of this type of thing. take a look. >> go, go. >> police department. don't move. police department. don't move. don't move. >> don't move. >> you got it? >> i need one, need one, need one. >> i need one. >> slow it down. >> just a minute. >> move. move past him. >> move past. >> come on, guys. you're fine. you're fine. >> don't move. you understand?
put your hands behind your back. do it now. >> in that raid, police believe the suspect, jonathan, was a major distributor of marijuana. they found just very small amounts for recreational use. how atypical is that kind of scene? >> that's the thing about this video. there was outrage when this was posted on the internet. >> those dogs were killed, by the way. >> they sfweintended to kill on. they accidentally killed the other one. there are stray bullets going around. there's a little boy in the house. these are not rogue cops. this is policy. this is what happens 100 to 150 times a day in this country. in fact, the only thing that's really unusual about this raid is the fact it was video recorded and released and made it on to the internet. >> so, i am a police officer who has to put my life on the line. >> sure. >> and there's a call about a suspect in a house. do you want to just go in unarmed? i mean, there's a reason, right, that they're coming at these doors with the kind of force and the kind of tactics and the kind of intensity they are which is
they are at risk when they're serving these warrants. >> look, i'm not opposed to s.w.a.t. teams. i think there are situations where it's appropriate, but those are situations like hostage takings or bank robberies or escape ed fugitive where you're using violence to defuse an already violent situation. the vast majority of the raids including one we just watched, the police are creating violence. right? they're creating confrontation. they're creating volatility. these people are suspected of nonviolent consensual crimes and you're bringing violence to their door. that's really where the problem is. >> i want you to walk us through a little bit of how this started. the role that richard nixon plays in the rise of the warrior cop, the rise of 9/11 makes. one of the most eye opening parts of your book. right after we take this break.
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america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse. in order to fight and defeat this enemy, it is necessary to wage a new all-out offensive. as far as the new money is concerned, incidentally, i have made it clear to the leaders that if this is not enough, if more can be used, if dr. jaffey after studying this problem finds that we can use more, more will be provided. >> of course, was richard nixon officially launching the u.s. war on drugs in 1971. i'm here with radley balko
talking about his new book. "rise of the warrior cop." >> it's been fueling it, without the war on drug, i don't think we would have the proliferation of s.w.a.t. teams and general militarization we do. >> a lot of these s.w.a.t. teams are going after drugs, drug raids largely they're going. just the amount of money that's being spent on vehicles and armor and all these kind of toys for lack of a better word. it reminds me of a consistent theme in american politics which is once you label something security, it no longer counts as spending. we have to tighten our belts. if something's security, i love this portion of your book. "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of god. that sheriff leon lott of south carolina quoting matthew 5: 9 in a prius release, a belt-fed rotating machine gun capable of firing .50 caliber rounds of ammunition." there are police departments
across country in really small localities that have massive firepower. where's the money come from? >> well, there are several different sources. for about 25 years now, the p t pentagon has been giving surplus equipment over to these police departments across the country, millions of pieces of equipment have been transferred this way. we're talking tanks, helicopters, armored personnel carriers. my favorite, bayonets for some reason, police tdepartments see to love the bayonets. you have that and the federal anti-drug grants, the grants feder. if your s.w.a.t. team arrests a suspected murderer, there's no money attached to that. >> so you're creating an incentive system to do these raids because the raids create the possibility of acquiring the money to buy the equipment? >> your s.w.a.t. team can become a revenue enhangser rath e than an expensive toy on the side. since cemeseptember 11th, we ha dhs writing grants to buy more
equipment in the name of fighting the war on terror. and, you know, they're going to places like fond du lac, wisconsin and tuscaloosa. >> after the boston bombing, the total lockdown of boston. we have a video of what that looked like in terms of the amount of firepower brought to bear. we saw huge police military qua quasi military vehicles rolling through the streets. people in tactical gear. my thinking at the time, i'm glad they have this stuff, this is terrifying and these terrorists are on the loose who have pulled off this bombing. when you look at that, i mean, that is the justification for this. what's your response to that? >> how did they find tsarnaev? a guy went out, saw something suspicious in his backyard, called the police. they responded with a s.w.a.t. team. it was not the sort of saturation patrols were not what actually found him. and, again, i'm not opposed o s.w.a.t. teams. bringing a s.w.a.t. team to
apprehend him in that situation is legitimate. >> radley balko, author of the "rise of the warrior cop." that's "all in" for this evening. the "rachel maddow show" begins now. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. this is president george h.w. bush. our 41st president. a heroic former navy pilot. a combat veteran. he celebrated his 89th birthday last month. george h.w. bush. this is the "u.s.s. george h.w. bush" which is obviously an aircraft carrier. we do not name ships only after people who have died. some of the honorees for grand warships like this are people who are still very much living when we name ships after them. the "u.s.s. george h.w. bush" as most aircraft carriers are is enormous. it has a crew of 6,000 people. while they are at sea, those 6,000 people work on all kinds of stuff including stuff you might be able to imagine evenif