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of six women that found their client not guilty. >> we are ecstatic with the results. george zimmerman was never guilty of anything other than protecting himself of self-defense. i think everyone who thinks, especially who doubted george's reason and doubted his background now understand the jury knew everything they knew was enough for them to find him not guilty. >> reaction came moments after the prosecution team expressed disappointment with the verdict. we truly believe the mind set of george zimmerman and the words he used and he was out doing what he was doing fit the bill for second-degree murder. >> i'm disappointed but i accept it. we live if a great country with a great criminal justice system.
it's not the best but we respect the jury's verdict. >> we have from the beginning just prad for the truth to come out and for peace to be the result and that continues to be our prayers. and we believe they have been answered. >> and the attorney for trayvon martin's family thank everyone who supported them and ask the public to respect their privacy. >> to everybody that put their hoodies up and to everybody who said, i am trayvon, his family express their heart-felt gratitude for helping them these past can 17 months. >> trayvon martin's father tracy martin tweeted this, quote, even though i am broken hearted, my faith is unshattered. i will always love my baby tray. george zimmerman's brother talked about what the verdict meant to his family. >> george is just now getting around to processing, just as
most of our family is, processing the reality that we're not on the other end of this mountain of misinformation. the jury has spoken and we're now exonerated as a family. more importantly, george is exonerated as a defendant. >> george zimmerman's brother sent out this tweet on behalf of his brother. our whole family is relieved. today i'm proud to be an american. god bless america. thank you for your prayers. let's get you to craig melvin. good morning. you have covered this trial from start to finish. i have to ask you, what was react like outside that courthouse when that verdict came in? >> it was was very interesting, veronica. we had about 150 folks gathered outside the courthouse, they were singing, chanting at one point. when word came that a verdict was coming down, there was a hush that fell over the crowd and they were quiet. virtually silent as the verdict
came down. shortly thereafter, the chanting started again, some singing started again but they were chanting no justice, no peace. this system the broken. that lasted for roughly 30, 45 minutes. then the crowd calmly dispersed. calmly is operative word. there were concerns by law enforcement, by national leaders as well that there might be civil unrest here in sanford, florida. that did not happen, as you know by now. did not happen here. did not happen in the surrounding areas. protests nationally, police report nationwide protests and demonstrations were orderly and peaceful. >> those are the pictures we're looking at now, the peaceful protests that happened right after that verdict came down. at 7:00 in the morning right now
in sanford, florida, is there anything happening? what's the scene like? >> reporter: no. what a difference a few hours make here in sanford, florida. the law enforcement presence that had been camped out in front of the courthouse for the past few weeks, they're gone. i can tell you that these media tents that have been set up over the past few weeks, we got word these have to be gone in less than 24 hours as well. this city, this part of florida, very much want to get back to normal. they have made it abundantly clear, they would like to do that as quickly as possible. >> what are you hearing about the jurors in this case? are we expecting any of the six women to speak with the media at this point? >> that's a good question. wishlly we thought one of the six as customary in cases like
this, invitations to speak to the media, requests for interviews. typically you might get one or two, but in this case, shortly after this verdict came down, all the jurors indicated through a spokesperson for the court that they had no desire to speak to any member of the media as well. >> craig melvin in sanford, florida, thank you. joining me reverend jesse jackson, president of the rainbow push coalition. good morning. >> good morning. >> got to ask you, you know, first question, obviously, what was your reaction to this verdict? >> frankly, i'm stunned over this disgrace, this tremendous miscarriage of justice. when the jury says, not guilty, he's at least guilty of murder. an armed man racially pursuing and profiling a young african-american boy and kills him. and in this case, the prosecutor
denied -- should i say, ignore the matter of race. and the defense denied it. the fact of the matter is, this is a pattern of behavior young african-american men. it's very painful. >> i want to ask you about the makeup of the jury. you tweeted this after the verdict was handed down. you tweeted, the jury, no black and no men, was always suspect. do you feel this affected the outcome, the makeup of the jury? >> well, it was a stretch trying to avoid the obvious. you speak of a jury of your peers. there was no man on the jury. trayvon martin was a young man, no black on the jury.
so jury of your peers was a stretch all the while. a young boy was going home, suspected to be in the wrong place. zimmerman was in the wrong place. the young boy was unarmed. the man was armed. he went against advice of police. and after he killed trayvon martin he walked away. it was a rather corrupted process. there's a trayvon in every town. i want people who are out protesting, protest with discipline, dignity and not dpis credit the legacy of the innocent blood in this process. i mean, tempers are running higher because when you have compounded injustice without relief, it creates frustration. we may not allow the sympathy to shift from strayvon.
>> those are your sentiments. have you spoken to trayvon martin's parents or attorneys? >> i talked to the attorneys. this morning i'm doing my radio program on clear channel here in chicago, and attorney mr. crump is my special guest. i'm appealing to the department of justice. motioned justice lavigne. justice has not been served and the department of justice has a role in this. that's what happens in the case of tillman and evers, and department of justice has a role to play in this. cannot be just an observer. >> reverend, give us your perspective, what's the takeaway? >> it makes them cynical toward
the justice system. there's a case, fruitvale in oakland, killer walk as way. in brooklyn, new york, lemer, nearly died in brooklyn, and in chicago last year, 57 police shootings -- injured are killed by the police. protection of the law continues to elude us. i do not think there's any reason why the -- why the prosecutor should avoid the fact of racial injustice and the defense should deny. people should be very aware of it because this is a clear pattern of behavior that's illegal and it must stop. >> in your opinion, reverend, what comes next?
>> what comes next is the department of justice intervention. no doubt there would be intervention. there's a trayvon in every town. the first one, there was no coverage but when it was heard a young, unharmed boy that was killed and the killer walked away, it was interpreted and reverend sharpton and i and others got involved and began to put a light on it. it was clear then when the killer walked away, it took protests to get zimmerman into court in the first place. then you came up with a jury with no blacks and no male and in the case of the lawyers, all white males. something in that that was always missing. but we trusted the system. this system frankly did not work. >> reverend jesse jackson, we appreciate your time. thank you for joining us. joining us is legal analyst lisa
green. she's going to break the case down. good morning. >> good morning to you. >> let's start with what's obvious here. what was your reaction to the verdict as it was handed down? >> you knowing it was very difficult news to hear. i speak of someone who like many other people with a law degree watching the trial unfold, recognize that the prosecution in this case had some significant hurdles. another way of looking at it, i would say the result was almost baked into florida's self-defense law, which is quite expansive and used skillfully by the defense. >> do you feel like they were overreaching? should they have gone for a lesser charge? >> there was a lot of back and forth about that originally and the state's attorney last night defended that choice. but manslaughter was the lesser included charge. i thought the most powerful image from the trial, closer arguments came when zimmerman's lawyer held up that chart with all the green line. one red line at the bottom.
what the jurors had to do is rule out self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. when that's the standard in a case where the evidence is fragmentary, can you end up with a rut like this, even though it's clear something happened that night. >> what did you think of closing arguments? >> i thought, as many did, the defense did a fact-based job. prosecution, emotion-based job. but some jurors form their initial opinions at opening arguments. of course, unless the jurors speak to us, we'll never know in the end what was persuasive. i keep coming back to florida's law, leaving the prosecution, the defense almost out of it. the law you are instructed to follow in the jury room. in florida's case you have a law with self-defense provisions which are -- as we can see here. >> thank you. we'll be speaking with you
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where there were demonstrations and people pushed to get george zimmerman arrested, was quiet. there were no people there. in sanford in goaldsboro, peopl were talking. i heard loud discussions about george zimmerman's guilt and all the things that had gone on in the trial. people were definitely talking about it. one woman i interviewed burst into tears as i talked to her about the not guilty verdict. but there were no disruptions, no violence, no riots. but people were definitely emotional. >> peaceful protest is what we've been hearing. most of us watched this trial on tv. you were in the courtroom. give viewers a firsthand approach to what you saw in the courtroom. how does it different than watching it on television? >> what was different, you could
feel the energy in the room. you could feel people react to this verdict. you could feel on george zimmerman's side, the relief. i saw her crying and hugging the parents of george zimmerman. you could see the relief in her, you could see it all in her face and everywhere. even in her body. i think for the attorneys of trayvon martin, the disappointment. they walked out of the courtroom briskly. people could feel they were disappointed. >> thanks for your time. i want to turn to our legal panel. gary and lisa join us. i want to talk about the legal options now that george zimmerman was found not guilty. people keep talking about a civil suit. >> yes, that's probably where it will end up.
i think the family has a great opportunity to go after the zimmerman family, maybe even the compound for eliciting or allowing zimmerman to be a watchman. these are options that exist. they could say allowing zimmerman who was overzealous, he had a gun, in terms of being a watchman. it's a completely different standard and a high likelihood someone will get sued here. >> lisa, if there is a civil suit, the question, of course -- or actually, the fact would be, george zimmerman would have to provide testimony. how would that play out? >> his attorney last night was adamant and spoke of immunity, which i was curious about and wanted to hear more about what mr. o'mara means by that. obviously a guilty verdict -- i'm sorry, acquittal allows him to be a viable target for civil suit.
we'll have to see. what we know for sure is o'mara's defense team emboldened will full on defend him against any civil rights charges should that come up as well. >> thanks so much new the martin family attorney joins me in a moment with his reaction to the verdict. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover, and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all our drilling activity, twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. safety is a vital part of bp's commitment to america - and to the nearly 250,000 people who work with us here. we invest more in the u.s. than anywhere else in the world.
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joining me from sanford, florida, darrell parks, one of the attorneys. good morning. >> good morning. >> i guess, what the family's reaction to the verdict was. >> without question, they are heartbroken, this jury did not understand why they could not punish george zimmerman for the death of trayvon martin. devastated, heartbroken. i mean, they have no answers. >> something i noticed last night and i think a lot of others did as well, is where the family was during the reading of
this verdict. did they chose not to be in the courtroom? >> no, we recommended they not be there and they go ahead and travel back to south florida so they could be in church today. i think them being there probably wouldn't have added anything to what we witnessed last night. >> as an attorney, did you find the prosecution did all it could have or should have in this case? >> well, i think the state presented its case based on what it had. you know, the case is what it is. so, you know, that's what we saw. >> some have been suggesting there might be a federal civil rights case against george zimmerman. what's your thought? >> if the federal government chooses against george zimmerman -- this family wants some recourse of some sort for
the death. trayvon's death should not go unanswered. maybe there's a federal recourse. in our country oftentimes state law may not present prooe recourse. if it does, they already have information and make a decision as to whether it's something they choose to pursue. >> i wanted to know, what is next for the family? will they pursue a civil lawsuit against george zimmerman? >> that decision will be made at the appropriate time. however trayvon's legacy -- they have a foundation they started. the trayvon martin foundation will move forward. certainly his life stands for the fact maybe they'll place more value on young, african-american child. >> we invited the defense to join us. we're still awaiting a response. they have an open invitation. up next is "your business." we'll have much more after that
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