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i'm chris jansing. prayers and protesters outrage and anger. in cities across the country, we are seeing reaction to the not guilty verdict in the george zimmerman trial. there have been protesters across new york city, los angeles, miami, washington, d.c. in new york, times square was virtually shutdown. in los angeles a freeway was brought to a stand still. the demonstrations were largely peaceful. about a dozen people arrested for disorderly conduct and we haven't seen any demonstrations on behalf of george zimmerman we have seen his supporters rally on social media. a prayer service will be conducted to encourage peace and unity but this verdict has renewed questions about race, equality, and justice in america. >> it's very disconcerting. it's very upsetting and that is why i couldn't sleep because i do have a young child and she deserves to have a future better than this. >> this is more than just
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trayvon martin and george zimmerman. trayvon martin is just the tip of the iceberg. >> race remains the great anchor around this country. >> not every white person finds this acceptable so i'm here as a show of solidarity. >> i'm trying to wrap my head around why this happened. >> we do not accept a target being put on the backs of black and latino youth. >> joining know is toure and trumaine lee. you have seen the reaction there and you've been following reaction around the country talking to people. what are you hearing? >> i'm hearing that while these protests and rallies are catching fire across the country, here in sanford there is still the sense of resignation and sadness. we haven't seen that.
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people are dietitrying to digess and people are wondering how long do we have to continue to move forward and on every time something like this happens. >> the thing is there is all of this energy. it was remarkable to see -- we were still on the air saturday night, spontaneous protest happened in san francisco. people started marching through the streets. it just showed that somehow they needed to connect with one another about this. but what do you do with that energy? >> you have people needed to be together in a moment of extraordinary pain. i know i felt numb and like i had to take in a punch to the gut. but i wasn't shocked. right? so people are obviously not going to go out and looting and rioting. it was absurd mean put out by certain individuals to -- we have been using our first amendment right to say we are in pain and don't like this but doing so peacefully and lawfully but going forward, i'm not sure what we need to do.
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i don't know if the continued legal chase of george zimmerman is actually anything more than a ban dated on a bullet wound. there will be a civil suit. maybe the family needs that emotionally. there will be an at the moment to get the doj involved and i don't know how far that will go. when we talk about the repeal stand your ground laws and make people to shoot first and ask questions later and shoot whenever they feel threatened and feel they can shoot wherever they go maybe we will a resolution to this. in practice the way they are applied it quite often leads to white people being justified for shooting black and brown people. >> one of the things we did talk about right after the verdict, trumaine, was whether or not this should be approached on a state-by-state basis and joan reid who lived many years in florida said that is great but the chances of, for example, stands your ground being
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repealed or there being a change in concealed carry laws in florida, the chances of that are slim and none. do you sense anything where you are there that might lead to some sort of legal change, some change in the laws? >> i think here in central florida, the culture is such where black, brown, yellow and green, this is a gun culture so it's not about necessarily people feeling that other folks shouldn't have the right to bear arms or even stand their ground. it's equity once we get into the system and are there two different tracks. one for black folks and one for other people. so right now, it's not so much -- not so much energy around trying to change the laws. a statewide panel assembled by the governor and they came back saying nothing needs to be changed. i think the issue is when we have situations and circumstances as we have seen here in sanford and there seems to be some imbalance here that is where there is is issues. right now still early to tell and especially off the panel no change need to be made but as
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the days and months move forward, we will see what happens. >> talking to folks there hasn't been a change that has already happened and it's happened in african-american families all across the country. it happened within a very short time of the verdict on saturday night as voiced by melissa harris perry. i want to play that for you. >> my 11-year-old is apparently -- she is home with her father and she was watching. texted me that she felt like there was no justice in america. my big sister told me that her 12-year-old son had gotten in bed with them tonight. >> toure, it struck so close to anybody who cares anything about kids. you heard about this. you heard about this shortly after this shooting happened. what does a parent say to a child? easement these are messages that black parents have been giving to their sons for decades now. the messages that i got when i was a young man about the world is looking for you to do something wrong and what obama
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talked about in his first autobiography making no sudden moves mulliving all of those around you will go a long way to help you survive being a black teenager in this country. my parents told me, don't run in public if you don't have to if the police should stop you, you know, you want to be sort of pliant and we will figure it out later. when you're walking in stores, keep your hands out of your pockets. you don't want to give them a reason to be suspicious of you because they are already suspicious of you because you are walking while black, which apparently is a crime in this country. so those messages are happening in all sorts of black homes throughout america and have been happening for decades and it is just a reminder to so many black parents we need to continue to give our sons those messages which is not on to say that tracy and sybrina didn't give those messages to trayvon and i'm not blaming the victim here but we need to arm our kids with the information they are suspects until proven innocent.
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>> this morning, we have still not heard from the parents of trayvon martin. their attorneys say they are devastatge devastated only but ready to roll up their sleeves. they are considering whether to file a civil suit. the night of the verdict was read, they were not in the courtroom although tracy martin did tweet, even though i am brokenhearted my faith is unshattered. i will always love my baby tray. sybrina fulton tweeted lord, during my darkest hour i lean on you. are all that i have. at the end of the day, god is still in control. thank you for your prayers and supports and i will love you forever, trayvon, in the name of jesus. yesterday, some of martin's cousins talked about the verdict. >> keep everybody in your prayers. just remember trayvon and as sybrina said could have been your son and could have been my baby and could have been anyone in america's baby. >> there is no reason for this to happen to any other families. no one should ever have to go
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through this. >> george zimmerman's brother robert says his brother is still proving reality. >> he is a free man in the eyes of the court but he is going to be looking around his shoulder for the rest of his life. >> joining me now is daryl parks, one of the attorneys for the martin family. good morning and thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> the first most obviously question, what can you tell us about how trayvon martin's parents are doing this morning? >> well, you know, obviously, when the verdict first came down, they were just flattered, unbelievable. now yesterday they began to gather themselves and now are getting the type of assurance they must now move forward, notwithstanding this jury's verdict to preserve trayvon's legacy and make sure it does not happen to anyone else's child again. >> have they been watching the protests and rallies and seeing this outpouring of support across the country? >> yes, they have and that is part of the encouragement.
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when you see people coming out who is mostly being nonviolent in support of them and trayvon martin, they are very encouraged by that and it gives them inspiration. >> will they file a civil suit against george zimmerman? >> obviously that is an option we are talking about with them. it will happen at a proper time. >> the justice department, as you know, is looking into whether or not there could be official charges filed against him, whether this was a hate crime. what do you think the realistic changes of that are? >> well, i must say probably when this first started and the justice department seemed somewhat reluctant now we know a little bit more about the evidence in this case. the evidence is that in many of the previous calls, george zimmerman used the term black to describe many of the people -- all of the people that he called for the most part. that being a common denominator means that if anyone was black who was walking suspicious, that
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they were a suspect and we continue to hear him refer to trayvon as a suspect. so that meant that anyone black not dressed appropriately was a suspect, a person white wouldn't have been a suspect. that's a problem. probably gives the justice department a little bit more to go on than they had when they originally started investigating this case. >> whatever side of this you're on and whether you think the jury did its job or not, i think you cannot have watched this case and not have felt that the martin family comported themselves in the most elegant manner really, i thought the way they have handled this whole thing has been remarkable and they are clearly aware they have a platform and that this platform is huge and there may be an important window of opportunity. if you could put into a few sentences what it is that they want to accomplish are they at that point yet to be able to
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figure that out? >> well, i think they are. as you may know, we had already started the trayvon martin foundation and they want to advocate against any youth and gun violence and that is their message to america. >> i want to thank you so much, daryl, the martin family attorney, for being presence. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> judith is joining us as well. let me start with you, judith, just to ask you what do you hope as you've now had some time to digest what has happened the past 48 hours. what are your thoughts about what might come out of this that might be good? >> thanks for having me. i can't say that i've gotten over my anger and disappointment but it's time to move to the next level. there is a lot of energy and that energy out there on the streets is really about the anger that is about knowing that
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that is the experience that so many young people live with every day. it's an anger that is lived and experienced and it's an anger about people saying, you know, that was me, that could have been me. so now we have got to move to action because we know that we have to honor trayvon by ending racial profiling. i'm hoping we are going to see all of the activity that is around the country start to work at the local, state, and federal level to end racial profiling. >> let me ask you about this possibility of a federal case. there has been 450,000 signatures. i know that at least as of late last night, were collected for the justice department to take action. but you're a civil rights lawyer and you know how high the bar is to prosecute something like this. do you see a case? >> i do see a case. i think part of our confusion about whether or not there should be a case is that the
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prosecutor messed up. the prosecutor decided that they were going to go with a colorblind analysis of what happened. and too often we see the courts and prosecutors doing that and not being able to mention race. look. i tweeted a few days ago, you know, that it is amazing that we have had a conversation about this case prior to the verdict without machinientioning the "r, race. too often our courts are saying that america is colorblind. distort wants us to think that but we know from the experience of millions of people in this country, whether they are black, latino, whether they are muslim, that race does matter and so i think this is going to be the opportunity for the department of justice to make that case. >> a lot of questions were asked in those post verdict news conferences and i think something that the lead prosecutor angela corey had to
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say raised a lot of eyebrows and i want to play that little bit of sound. >> this case has never been about race, nor has it ever been about the right to bear arms. not in the sense of proffering this as a criminal case. but trayvon martin was profiled. there is no doubt that he was profiled to be a criminal and if race was one of the aspects in george zimmerman's mind, then we believe that we put out the proof necessary to show that zimmerman did profile trayvon martin. >> could this case have not been about race but trayvon martin was profiled? >> listen. you know, i mean, profiled for what? for skittles? for ice tea? he was profiled because he was a black male. there was a witness that said there will be burglaries by, you know, by black men in the community. so clearly listen. we also have to understand that
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this is a teachable moment for america, to understand what black people and other people of color go through in this country every day and it's not just because of racism. not the explicit stuff but the perceptions. there was a lot of discussion in the case about perceptions and assumptions that zimmerman may have been working off of. guess what? that was perceptions and assumptions based on race. it's about the way that per primed in america to think that this -- that a young black male would be a criminal. >> you bring up a great point. toure, i'll let you have the last word. i asked what african-american parents can say to their children. what can you say to those who do not have the african-american experience? >> my god. how much time do we have left for that answer? >> yeah. >> one of the things i'll say to you and she was touching on we can't separate race from being
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criminally profiled when fyou're a young black male. do they have any black friends and have they ever said the "n" word and if not, that test does not fit modern america, right? but the question really is in this given moment, are you behaving in a way that perpetuates white supremely and utilized white privilege or are you trying to work against those things. i think clearly in this moment george zimmerman was using white supremacy and white privilege to his advantage and dealing with the inherent bias of looking at a black person in the dark and assuming they are a criminal and they have a gun and they are on drugs. if we can get beyond assuming that black men are criminals guilty until proven innocent, then we will start to move forward. >> so much more to talk about, toure. thank you so much. judith browne, thank you. and i appreciate you all being with us this morning. george zimmerman has sued nbc universal and defamation and
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the department of justice is investigating the shooting of trayvon martin, something civil rights leaders have been pushing. that petition we have talked about asking the justice department to act has more than 450,000 signatures. i want to bring in mark moreel,
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president of the national urban league. >> chris, hi. >> good morning. how are you? i know you called this verdict a miscarriage of justice. so one possibility is to pursue these federal charges. what is the likelihood? we have been talking about that a lot lawyers who know a lot about this law say the bar is awfully high. you have to prove what was in anybody's mind. >> the most important thing is what the justice department resume its investigation and look at, not only civil rights act violations, but potentially the new 2009 hate crimes act violation is normal and customary in high profile cases like this. the bar may be high but i would encourage people not to predetermine the justice department's investigation at this stage and let the justice department's investigation take hold. the justice department has tremendous investigative
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resources and probably go beyond what the sanford police and the local prosecutor may have been done in ferreting out information. let's remember there is a long pattern of 911 calls. the statements by george zimmerman that demonstrate a predisposition, and let us remember that it was george zimmerman who was the aggressor, who was, in effect, the stalker of trayvon martin, an unarmed teen in this case. we feel this investigation should go forth and these civil rights laws and hate crime laws were designed exactly for this purpose. >> here is what a member of the defense team said on saturday night. or early sunday morning. >> i think that things would have been different if george zimmerman was black for this reason. he never would have been charged with a crime. what happened was this became a focus for a civil rights event. >> what is your reaction? >> he is absolutely wrong and we all know perhaps the opposite
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would have been true had george zimmerman been an african-american, he would have been charged very quickly. in this case, may not have made national news. i think o'mara is distracting the public away from the idea that what is so raw about this case is not simply that it's black and white or, in that case, but you have an unarmed child who was killed by an armed adult, who pursued him and profiled him. those facts have to be remembered and that is why this has been so raw. >> what do you make of the protests that have sprung up literally in cities across the country? >> i expected it. >> did you? >> i did expect it. this case has touched a nerve on a number of -- for a number of reasons. number one, there is this continuing lingering distrust of the criminal justice system that exists in broad parts of the
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community. and particularly the southern criminal justice system. what played out and former governor wilder said this yesterday. you, in effect, have an all-white courtroom in an all-white jury and all-white defense team. have you what is customary sometimes in southern justice. the distrust of that maybe people say why should it exist but that lingering distrust i think played in this matter and into this case. we cannot take away the fact that you had a child, a teenager. so if you're a mother, if you're a father, if you have a young boy who wants to traverse the streets of a neighborhood where you live, it hits you in the gut that this young boy could walk to the store and not come home.
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had he a right to be there. he was in a neighborhood where he had a right to be. he was minding his own business whether this took place. that's why this shocks people. it's the totality of the facts. not just the racial dimension but the totality of the facts that struck a raw nerve. i also think that coming on the heels of the supreme court's decision on voting rights, it has -- i think, spurred, if you will, chris, a new reenergized 21st century civil rights movement which is broader and i think very significant, coming 50 years after the civil rights marches of the 1960s. so that combined, i think, is why there has been this, i think, outcry. every once in a while, there is a case. there is something that is going to spur this kind of public reaction and this has done it. >> marc morial, so good to see you and thanks for coming on.
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aimed at promoting peace and unity after the zimmerman verdict. nba's craig melvin is live in sanford with the very latest. how are things there now? >> reporter: you know what, chris jansing? things are just find in sanford on the surface at least. when i say just fine i mean low gistically at the courthouse things are back to normal. the mayor will be at the prayer service and the police chief will be there. so will the city manager and they are encouraging residents of sanford for come and pray and spend some time talking as well. they are promoting it as an opportunity to continue to engage in this. yesterday many of the church sfse service in town, a lot of the pastors talked about the verdict. we spent some time at one church yesterday. >> i am hurt! i am sad!
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i am disappointed! and the heart is overwhelmed with pain. >> yeah. >> i am shocked! >> yeah. >> but i shouldn't be. >> reporter: chris jansing, here in sanford, no reports of any arrests. no reports of any civil disowe beadious after that verdict came down. >> craig, thank you so much. politicians are not shying away from the debate touched off by the verdict. from new york's mayor bloomberg and senate majority leader harry reid to the president who issued a statement asking people to respect the martin family's call for calm and adding we should ask ourselves if we are doing all we can to widen the capacity and understanding in our own communities. we should ask ourselves if we are doing everything we can to stem the gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. we should ask ourselves as individuals enas a society how we can prevent future tragedies like this. at citizens that a job for all
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of us. that is to honor trayvon martin. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> the president took a lot of heat when he reacted to trayvon martin's death when it happened. let me play that. >> my main message is to the parents of trayvon martin. if i had a son, he would look like trayvon and, you know, i think they are right to expect that all of us, as americans, are going to take this with the seriousness that it deserves. >> amy, the president did not take a position on the verdict, but what did you make of his statement? >> the most recent statement? >> the most recent stachtement. >> i appreciated he asked for calm and that the residents of sanford should be commended to their peacefully peaceful
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reaction to the verdict and all across the country some instance to violence and people are pouring out into the streets as you said earlier in your show to connect with one another and try to find, i think, some comfort as a community. if you saw these crowds out on the street, they were mixed race of all ages and people speaking out in solidarity with trayvon martin. i would add that at the time that the president said that trayvon martin could have looked like someone who could have been his own son, i thought it was understandable to personalize this so many of us have. i thought it was unfortunate because it interjected the president in a case that was still unfolding. we were still trying to learn the facts and george zimmerman, while i think that he committed a crime, i also believe that he deserved a fair trial and i think he got one even though i don't like the outcome. >> "the new york times" praised the president for mentioning gonzalez in his statement and new york mayor michael bloomberg said in a statement, shoot first laws can inspire the v
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vigilantism. such laws encouraged deadly confrontations by enabling people to shoot first and argue justifiable homicide later. angela, is it important for michael bloomberg to be talking about gun control on the heels of this verdict? >> i think exactly the time you talk about gun laws with that we have with gun safety. there have been a lot of articles written about the conservatives on one sized of the equation and liberals on the other side. i don't know how talk talk about gun safety when it is when someone loses their life or reckless with a victim. i don't believe that george zimmerman had a fair trial or a good outcome. i think at the end of the day no winners here. his life will never be the same and trayvon martin does not have a live at this point. >> there are people criticizing the politicians saying this is something not to be politicized
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but when you have something that has raised so many questions about so many aspects of our life, isn't that when we want politicians to get involved? isn't that when we want them to say if we have a problem, here is how we need to talk about fixing it? >> right. i think of course, we want leadership from our politicians but what is the definition of that leadership and how are they moving us forward? michael bloomberg, mayor bloomberg is not correct when he has pointed a stand your ground law in florida because as the defense team argued, they didn't use that. they used the simple self-defense argument and joe scarborough column in politico, a former florida congressman and he says he knows his state's laws very well and the prosecution had a high bar to get over and they didn't. in terms of what we can learn from this, i hope one thing we can learn from this you can't racially profile a young man walking in your neighborhood. george zimmerman was told to stay in his car.
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he did not and got out of his car and started to pursue this young man. if we learn something about this it's the conduct and the choices that you make that could be leading you down, i think, a very dangerous and, obviously, in this case, fatal path. >> steve king, the republican from iowa had this to say about the president in regards the zimmerman case. let me play that. >> the evidence didn't support prosecution and the justice department engaged in this and the president engaged this and turned it into a political issue that should have been handled with the law and order. >> anklely what, is reaction to that? >> my reaction he is fundamentally inaccurate. it took more than 40 days to day george zimmerman. from day one, trayvon martin was treated as a suspect by george zimmerman and the police department. that is why his dead corpse was subjected to toxicology text testing. george zimmerman never was. whether or not he grease with
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the president and department of justice weighing in, it was clear that sanford, florida, could not handle it by themselves and that is typically of highly charred racial past and what happened in 2013 with the outcome of this case. >> great to have you both on the program. >> thank you. to politics now. we await word from senate majority leader harry reid who is speaking in washington right now. the senator poised to possibly change the rules in the senate so republicans can no longer filibuster white house nominees. today an argument will be hear if i.d. law is constitutional it requires voters to show a particular state issued i.d. and some call it a ploy to steal votes away from seniors and minority voters. it seems at least the white house and former president george h.w. bush are on the same track. in a rare bipartisan tweet, the white house wrote, hey, bush center, like your video on
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analyst lisa bloom. you can't answer it positively but would have black members of this jury made a difference? >> we are a country that believes in racial diversity in the workplace and schools and certainly we would nope that on a jury, right? the problem is so often, juries are disportiroportionately whit. most people convicted of a felony are banned for life for serving on juries and how that plays out is 30% of african-american men nationwide are banned from juries for life. and so the african-americans who are overrepresented as defendants are disproportiona disproportionately likely not to have a jury of their peers when they are on trial. in this case even though george zimmerman a hispanic name was on trial we have zero to none african-americans on this jury. >> we have seen a beefing up of voter registration laws would
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change that. the impact hasn't been seen yet, has it. >> we talk about and this lot when we are talking about voting that a lot of african-americans are also banned from voting for the same reason because they have a felony conviction. we talk about it less in the context of juries. it's important not only when there is an african-american defendant on trial but when there is a victim here trayvon martin who is african-american to get a good diverse representation of all of us. >> one of the things i got questioned about a lot as well, then why didn't the lawyers hold out for more diverse jury? but it doesn't necessarily work that way. you don't have unlimited challenges. >> well, that's right. in fact, lawyers are prohibited from exercising challenges based on race. so i can't go into a trial and say, i want white jurors. i want black jurors. i'm going to strike people off who i don't want. if it looks like you are striking off jurors based on race you have to give a reason to the judge. that happens a couple times in this case. >> i don't know how you are still standing after the hours
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you've put in. . thanks so much. >> you as well. thank you. thousands of inmates on a hunger strikes and reports of sterilization and unclean water. the startling details coming up on jansing and co. staying activy ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure
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at least seven inmates in california needed medical attention over the weekend as a widespread prisoner hunger strike enters week two. the prisoners demanding better treatment in a system so broken. the court that has threatened to hold the governor in california in contempt if it is not met. a judge ruled the state wasn't providing proper medical care for inmates including basics like clean water and investigators are looking into a report that nearly 150 women were coerced into being sterilized. joining me now is victoria law.
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and joule. good morning and thank you both for being here. you wrote an article in "the nation" victoria a detail in california's hunger strike. i think it's hard for some people. they say, look. why should i care about convicted prisoners? they are there because they did something wrong. what would you say to them? >> i would say that we have to look who goes to prison and why so we have to actually think about the fact that california has laws that lock people up for seemingly -- for a nonviolent crimes, for drug offenses and property offenses and three strikes and you're outlawed and people go to prison for longer periods of time when they could be in drug treatment programs or alternatives to incarceration. the california prison department of corrections has implemented a proposal that allows supposedly would allow people convicted of nonviolent offenses to serve the rest of their sentences at home
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under ankle monitoring but they haven't put this in place yet so they are even realizing even in the women's prison population 45% of the women in prison now don't need to be in prison. >> on saturday, my colleague, melissa harry-perry had a panelists on this subject. one was kept in solitary confinement in four months. he was visiting a prison and asked to compare that prison to those around. >> the cells in pelican bay are smaller. no windows in these cells. i've met people in pelican bay who have not seen a tree in 2012 years. >> what is the impact of pelican bay? what do we know about inmates who have endured decades in some
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cases inside those walls? >> it causes physical harm and people who can't sleep and under this kind of stress will shorten their life. in california, you have indefinite solitary confinement. shane bauer was in solitary for four months. i have almost a hundred prisoners who are my clients who have been in solitary for over 20 years in a small window cell and never being able to see a tree and they are there not because they have committed some heinous act while they are in prison, but they are there simply because they have some association, could be very loose and ill-defined like having a piece of artwork of an aztec warrior or having a birthday card from a friend, or a tattoo or being on a list. >> what is the fix? >> the fix is what my clients want and people on a hunger strike they want if you commit a bad act in prison, you get a sentence. in california it's up to five years. you get a hearing. if you're convicted of doing something bad like assaulting a
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guard or murdering somebody, you get a sentence and then if you're good you get out as opposed to what is now happening is there are people who are going to be in solitary the rest of their lives and no hope of getting out unless they become an informant for the state which they are not willing to do because it will endanger their lives and that of their families. >> these reports are shining a light on things a lot of people don't know about and in many cases don't want to think about. i want to ask you about the reports nearly 150 women may have been coerced into being sterilized within a five-year period within the california prison system. you've interviewed countless women behind bars. did this shock you? >> it actually didn't. there seems to be a spectrum around women's reproductive rights in prison. women are talked about being pressured having hysterectomies and having cysts removed. when i asked if there were alternative treatments they told me they weren't offered any. this was in the 1990s so this is
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even before the period that this report covers. women have talked about being shackled and chained while giving birth to their children because simply because they are incarcerated and women have talked about being denied abortions when they have asked for them unless they can get a court order and, in some cases, prepay for their transportation costs. so we see again and again that women in prison are being deemed as not being able to take control over their own bodies much like what is going on outside now. >> an important story and we are going to continue to follow it. victoria and jules, thank you. thomas roberts is up next. next hour, the fallout from the george zimmerman not guilty verdict. anger, frustration, disappointment. it runs the gamut here and some cases jubilation in the wake of saturday's jury decision. this case is far from over and we will talk about what the martin family may do next to seek justice for trayvon with
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have to tell, listen, don't run when you see a cop. >> if you were in this country, that means if you are an lgbt or hispanic or black or a woman we are fighting to prove why other is not bad. >> trayvon martin had the civil right to go home and in a hundred cities this saturday, there will be demonstrations in front of federal buildings led by ministers pressing the fergus federal government to protect our right. >> two days now since george zimmerman found not guilty in the death of trayvon martin. hundreds of protesters and most peaceful. one hour from now, a prayer service held in sanford, florida, morerallies planned across the country. george zimmerman's legal team are dismissing any further legal action


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