tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC July 18, 2013 12:00am-1:01am PDT
keep your eye on this one. and that's hardball for now, thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight on all in in the wake of the zimmerman verdict. the movement against stand your ground laws is gaining momentum. the right wing and the nra are doubling down on it. reverend al sharpton will be my guest coming up. supreme court may have left it for dead, but that has spawned a real effort in congress to save it. senator amy klobuchar will be here to give us the latest. mike enzi of wyoming thought he was friends with the cheney family. then again, so did that guy who got shot in the pace. we begin tonight four days since the jury declared george zimmerman not guilty with an american right wing working overtime to create a counter
narrative about black racism, white victim hood and persecution. a dead black teenager and a shooter found not guilty is a parable for reverse racism toward white people. yet another example to justify fear of the black other. leading the charge is the right wing group perhaps most invested in making sure there are millions of people like george zimmerman walking around fearful and armed. the national rifle association. fresh off their victory of a concealed law in the latest hold out state in illinois, the nra is attacking attorney general eric holder for these comments he made yesterday at the naacp convention. >> it is our collective obligation we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent.
>> today the nra fired back saying, the attorney general fails to understand that self-defense is not a concept, it's a fundamental human right to send a message that legitimate self-defense is to blame is unconscionable. demonstrates once again that this administration will exploit tragedies to push their political agenda. joining me now to discuss the growing movement against stand your ground is my colleague reverend al sharpton. host of politics nation, founder of the national network. he delivered a speech in orlando today. >> we cannot have our sons and daughters lives on the line for anybody that wants to pursue them, follow them and kill them and say it's in self-defense. outside, alec brought stand your ground in. so outside is like al going to help bring stand your ground out.
>> reverend, this is what i hear from conservatives, they say you liberals don't understand, you're so foolish. stand your ground had nothing to do with this case. the zimmerman defense didn't use stand your ground, why are you so upset about stand your ground? that's not to blame for the verdict? >> they should listen to the interview that the one juror has done who cited all the way through the interview stand your ground. said it was considered in the deliberations, in the jury room. as well as the fact stand your ground changed the self-defense instructions of the judge. stand your ground was the basis that george zimmerman was not arrested. zimmerman was not arrested the night he shot trayvon martin. you can't take stand your ground out. when it was the premise of his not being arrested. it was the basis that the instructions were changed on how you instruct a jury on self-defense in the state of florida, and to prove it, the juror said stand your ground we couldn't go against when we were
deliberating, you can't have that evidence. >> today there was a group of people called the dream offenders who have been occupying the capital in florida. really impressive, they've been calling for a meeting with rick scott. he says that they put together a state task force, and he says this, this task force listened to florida ans across the state, heard their viewpoints. the task force recommended the law should not be overturned and governor scott agrees. >> it was appointed by him, but i think that the legislators in florida have a three-day conference next week to deal with how we organize in 100 cities across the country dealing with stand your ground this saturday. and the clear case now is, we have an example with this trial of the dangers of stand your ground. what was interesting to me, chris, is this juror again
stated that trayvon martin, even after -- and i'm quoting, he was confronted by george zimmerman, he should have gone home. if you really believe in self-defense and stand your ground, if you admit that george zimmerman confronted him, why couldn't trayvon martin use stand your ground and not retreat? why did he have to go home? why didn't he have the right to self-defense? it's even selective how it's applied. you've been doing a fantastic job on the marissa alexander case. stand your ground doesn't apply to her. not only is it bad law, it is not even equally applied because it's at the discretion of the judge. >> so why do you understand this lack of equal application. i think this gets to the core of it. you and i understand stand your ground, not as a neutral law brought to the citizens, because of some philosophical adherence to self-defense. there's an agenda connected to a broader agenda, about making people fearful of specific other
people. >> and if you personify danger, threat with color, age dress and you personify what is solid and safe with law abiding other than that, clearly those that are white and perceived a certain way, have the right to stand your ground. those that are not are the ones we're standing our ground against even if they're the ones being approached as in the case of trayvon martin. >> where does this go from here. >> have you to go after these laws both in the courts and at the voting box. you have to say to these legislators, and don't forget next year is an election year in florida. you must mobilize voters to protect themselves.
what trayvon martin's case does is say any nut can say, i was in fear of my life, i could use deadly force, that's a threat to everyone. we must avoid that happening again. >> outside the narrow focus of the nra, the broader world has been obsessed with the supposed hypocrisy of people who are outraged of the verdict, those people don't get outraged enough about black on black crime. >> black thugs are killing black people. so if you want to talk about contempt, that people have for black meant most contempt that people have for black men are other black men. >> the horrendous black on black murder rate is virtually ignored by the press. best to blame the white power structure and look the other way. >> what about black on black crime -- the kids are going to be guilty -- why don't you get your civil rights people with
the black on black. >> sorry, i couldn't help but laugh at that. >> the fantastic response to this myth, points out there is no such thing as black on black crime. yes, from 1976 to 2005, 90% of black victims were killed by black offenders. for the large majority of crimes, you'll find that victims and offenders share the right identity many when the media is not callously using the deaths of shooting victims in some weird racial grievance contest. they're devoting their small capacity for empathy to george zimmerman himself who has become a martyr figure. the daily caller sent a 16-year-old intern about federal protection for zimmerman and his family.
>> is the president going to take any action? >> the president has called for echoing the statements of trayvon martin's family, for calm reflection in the wake of the verdict. >> so no? >> you can editorialize all you want, i have no doubt you will. but that's a ridiculous statement. >> joining me now is joy reid and eric bowler, a senior fellow on media matters for america. i have to talk about this. the black on black crime thing, there's something about the invocation, the phrase that just really greats. it's cringe inducing, i think what's cringe inducing is the injustice of it. liberals and black writers, commentators, journalists, pundits of all stripes are constantly talking about people getting shot in chicago, we've done segments on it, it's not like no one cares, people are up in arms in chicago.
there have been huge mass mobilization against the mayor in the african-american community. it's just not true, there's this like very gross underbelly, am i right to this obsession with black on black crime? >> i'm touched by the concern for white conservatives for crime in the innercity. i look at all of the daily caller pieces about hideya pendleton. wait, those didn't exist because they don't care about hideya pendleton. they challenge the laws and says you can't have those laws. number two, if you care so much about gang shootings and innercity crimes, you shouldn't like stand your ground. the other dirty little secret is that they are quite successfully used by gang members and say, i was in fear for my life. that has happened in florida, so if you really care so much about
us black folks, you really want to oppose stand your ground. >> part of it also is associating blackness with criminality, which has been the disgusting dark underbelly of this entire conversation from the beginning and was part of the bizarre and awful character sass nation of trayvon martin at this very moment. >> it's not just black association of crime, it's chicago, obama, black crime, that is the five-year story they've been trying to tell. people try to talk about getting guns off the streets of chicago who is the first to complain, who is the first to raise a ruckus, the media, the nra, the denigration of trayvon martin has been amazing and it continues this week. it was an ugly attempt to sort of shift the blame, shift the focus away from george zimmerman, this is a kid who deserved what he got, let's face it. passing around phony pictures of him on the internet, you know, posting his old tweets and presenting him as a thug and things like that, so that was
resurrected this week after the trial. her aldo saying he looked like a thug, you're going to get what you're going to get. ted nugent practically dancing on this poor kid's grave with comments about how he was responsible for his death. that has been incredibly tasteless. >> i will never forget the phrase that trayvon martin was a rabid dog that needed to be put down. nobody on the right ever condemned that kind of language, they're still saying he was a thug, a black thug who deserved to die. >> and the conversation on the right, rush limbaugh hit a new low, saying the trial was justification for him using the n word. >> a huge part of this too, it's like running -- it's this very cynical way of essentially trying to tickle these certain fear neurons in the base core audience.
you need us because they're out to get you. there's an absolute connection between that psychology, which is that you're embattled. you're inside the plantation house and matt turner is at the door. that's the deep fear you're getting. there's a connection with that and stand your ground laws. and all the stockpiling of weapons, and all the entire paranoid delusional architecture of the world which is based on this imminent race violence, race war that the scary blacks are going to get you. and that to me is such a disgusting and irresponsible instinct in american citizens to cultivate as a matter of selling your product. >> they even did it with the protests, assuming these blacks are going to riot. this constant hatred and fear of african-americans that runs through the far right. >> i genuinely think the vast majority of americans are so much better than that, i really do. thank you both. >> thank you. if you like the nypd's stop and frisk policy, you're going
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ray kelly's done an extraordinary job in new york, and the federal government partners a lot with new york because obviously our concerns about terrorism often times are focused on big city targets. and i think ray kelly's one of the best there is. >> that was president obama discussing new york city police commissioner ray kelly as the
potential new head of the department of homeland security. it was announced last week janet napolitano will depart in september. since then, a number of top politicos including chuck schumer and peter king have pushed aggressively for ray kelly to be named as a replacement, it's hard to think of a worse choice for this job or a more off message political signal for the president to send to supporters during this of all weeks. just yesterday attorney general eric holder told the crowd at the naacp convention about being racially profiled while running to catch a movie despite doing nothing wrong. that's quite the contrast with new york city's top cop. the data, the new nypd stop and frisk program speaks for itself, last year there were nearly 533,000 stops on the program. 97% of those stopped 90% were nonwhite. only 6% of stops resulted in
arrests. that is just the tip of the iceberg. ray kelly is someone who called out the bush administration for not conducting enough warrantless wiretaps. spied on protester at the republican national convention, allowed the cia to embed -- and oversaw a sprawling creepy spying program -- it's impossible to imagine a candidate who would send a worse message about the president's values than ray kelly. joining me now is hakeem jeffries, democrat from new york. he helped pass a law that prohibits the new york city police department from maintaining a database on personal information for people who were stopped and frisked but not charged with a violation or crime.
my question is, do you think ray kelly's record in new york city particularly as it pertains to stop and frisk makes him a poor choice to head up the dhs? >> well, listen chris. ray kelly is an experienced law enforcement professional. he's been a good administrator and perhaps i could support his potential appointment to this position in the absence of the massive aggressive stop and frisk program that he's run, and the unconstitutional muslim surveillance program. that's kind of like saying, i had a good year, if you don't count the winter, spring and fall. we can't divorce his tenure as police commissioner without looking at that he's oversaw the racial profiling each and every year. the majority of folks you just pointed out have done nothing wrong and happen to be black and latino.
besides that, stop and frisk program that continues to be in effect today although we're hopeful that a court will soon find it unconstitutional, as you also mentioned, chris, ray kelly until 2010 presided over a massive electronic database that contained we believe more than a million names of innocent law abiding individuals who were stopped, questioned and frisked but let go because they've done nothing wrong. none the less, ray kelly decided it made sense to take their names and personal information and subject them to the possibility of permanent criminal surveillance. >> we reached out to ray kelly, asked them to come on. his defenders will say, pointing at all this, the record speaks for itself. crime is down in new york city.
much of that has to do with ray kelly and his brass tacks. >> crime is down in new york city. crime has been on the decline for the last 20 years, beginning interestingly enough during the last two years when ray kelly was police commissioner who at that time embraced community policing and began this dramatic decline in crime opinion there's a 90% error rate in the stop and frisk program. no corporation in america would tolerate such an error rate. you can't argue based on the numbers that it has an effect on the decrease in crime in new york city. and so i don't think there's any factually based argument or any case to make. he should get credit as the mayor should for the continued decline in crime, but these violations of civil rights and civil liberties that he's presided over, both as it relates to the muslim surveillance program and the
stop and frisk program cannot be excused. >> a few details about that surveillance program of area muslims, in one report an undercover officer describes accompanying 18 muslim students on a whitewater rafting trip in upstate new york in 2008. names of attendees who were officers of the muslim association unit. these are completely nonviolent muslim students who have an undercover officer with them on their camping trip. this is something ray kelly sanctioned at a time they're wondering about the levels of the national government. >> it's precisely the wrong message. earlier today there was unanimous or at least significant bipartisan support and concern for the notion we've seen at the federal level with response to this massive collection of phone records on tens of millions of americans. there's got to be an effective balance between national security or effective law
enforcement on the one hand and a healthy respect for our civil liberties on the other. ray kelly under michael bloomberg has disrespected that balance and that's why i think he would be a poor choice for secretary of homeland security. here's a fun fact the state fish of wyoming is called the cutthroat trout? what does that have to do with liz cheney? i don't know.
hi, i'm liz cheney, over the last several years, citizens across our great state have urged me to consider running for the senate in 2014. >> that was liz cheney. announcing by way of youtube yesterday she will bow to the great pressure of the people of wyoming and run for the senate next year. the seat she's running for is occupied by someone from her own party. he announced his own intentions to run for another term yesterday. >> it's kind of interesting, about 30 minutes after i put out a release saying i intend to run, she put out one saying she was running. if i ran, she wasn't going to run, that wasn't correct. >> did she call you? >> no, she didn't. she called me a long time ago and said she was considering it. >> i thought we were friends.
>> there are a few things we should all keep in mind about this development. besides the fact that liz cheney is a really crappy friend. she's one of the most odious presences in american politics today. she's responsible for the shameless far right pressure group that cast justice department lawyers that were called upon to represent guantanamo prisoners as al qaeda sympathizers. just a few months ago, she all but accused the president of being an anti-american agent writing, the president has so effectively diminished american strength abroad there's no question whether this was his intent. she suggested that by supporting defense cuts, the president was working for the taliban. >> president obama is doing something that america's enemies, the taliban, al qaeda have been unable to do, which is
to decimate the fighting capability of this nation. >> if you ask liz cheney what with all this pro al qaeda taliban sympathizing, you can't blame the crazies. here's how she explained the all american phenomenon. >> people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever i think a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas. >> liz cheney does not just argue her point of view, she boils up a stew of the most fear mongering propaganda. she's in the global warmingist fate of snow mongerers. whatever you think, dick cheney came by this infamously. liz cheney is the knockoff version, a legacy case, a toxic example of what affirmative
action for overprivileged white people looks like. she bought a house in wyoming last year, and the justification for her campaign is that she would very much like to be a u.s. senator, thank you very much. presumably, her dad will be helping her raise money with his fabulously wealthy and powerful friends. there's no real reason to care about this race. a race that will probably be decided by fewer people than simultaneously did the gangnam style horse dance with psy last fall. she'll be spending the next year playing to a conservative base that has gone increasingly interventionist. what's about to unfold in miami is a captivating test case as to whether the republican base could beat back the aristocracy. joining me now, co author of the book, the declaration of independence, how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong
with america. well, liz cheney is what's wrong with america, and i'm hoping the liberal streak is going to beat her back. i think the base is nowhere near as interventionist as the olagard that runs the foreign policy many. we've had in american politics the last three years, a very interesting thing happening in the republican party, there's been a series of primary fights going on, it's not happening in the democratic party right now. almost all of them since about may 2010 had been in one direction. the club for growth, freedom works tea party types. the rand paul's, the marco rubio's going against the establishment as represented by dick cheney, mitch mcconnell and other people. they've been winning systematically, the other side has not been initiating these fights. this is the first time at least to my knowledge where we have
the establishment initiating the fights. the question is why. >> why is it? and what i see. she's talking about defense cuts, there's been a bunch of high profile clashes between rand paul and lindsey graham which represents this split in the republican party. we've seen these clashes, this seems to be an intervention on the side of the mccain/graham arm of the party. john mccain and lindsay graham don't have juice any more. people are just rolling their eyes at him for saying we should boycott the olympics in russia. john mccain although he has a lot of influence, he doesn't have a lot of juice. if you went to the republican convention in 2012, all of the buzz was around these insurgent types. and they're much less interventionist.
this is the first case, they want to have a 46-year-old who has a little bit of a spring in her step and some name recognition to be able to get on the floor and make these fights. >> this is a proxy board that has literally nothing to do with mike enzi. i think primary fights are good, people should have contested elections. i agree, everyone go run for office. here's rand paul firing back the first shot on this, he says when i heard liz cheney was rung for senate. i wondered if she was running in her own state of virginia, which makes me think he understands precisely what this is about. this is a proxy war against his people. >> we've been talking to some people off the record about all of this and saying, what is this about. and there are indications it is precisely this. we want -- there needs to be some spokes man on the senate floor or in american politics in general who are ready to fight off the rand paul wing of the party. rand paul has already co opted
mitch connell. he brought in dick cheney, to try to fight off rand paul in may 2010 has hired rand paul's political team to run liz re-election in kentucky. and he's basically doing rand paul's bidding. so they need other -- >> the way that liz -- the question for liz cheney is, how do you win a race where you represent the establishment, how do you get the grassroots on your side. i think the answer is, i'm going to out obama hate anyone. >> that's the card she's going to play. here she is making her case for how she's growing to run this race. >> instead of cutting deals with the president's liberal allies, we should be opposing them every step of the way. i'm running because i believe it's necessary for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. >> she would cut deals on everything from surveillance to drones to arming the serial rebels. there's a million votes you can imagine senator liz cheney voting on the side of the white
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senators began by welcoming two congressmen who had been so vital in crafting the last reauthorization. congressman john lewis and jim sensenbrenner. >> to this day, i believe we are a better country. a better people because of the voting rights act. we made progress, we have come a great distance. but the deliberate systematic attempt to make it harder and more difficult for many people to participate in a democratic process still exists to this very day. >> i believe that the voting rights act is the most successful of all of our important civil rights act that have been passed since the mid 1950s and eliminating discrimination. >> sometimes the differences between the house and the senate are the difference between here and the moon. hopefully not on this one. >> the push to breathe new life into the voting rights act was
echoed yesterday. by former secretary of state hillary clinton speaking to the nation's largest african-american sorority at their convention. >> equality in our voting system is one we can, we should and we must fix. and unless congress acts, you know and i know more obstacles are on their way. >> joining me now, senator amy klobuchar, democrat from minnesota. senator, i want to start out with the skeptic's case and persuade me i shouldn't be skeptical. >> i'm so surprised. >> here's the skeptics case. forget republicans, just think about a game theory perspective. the horse trading of trying to come up with a new definition of which parts of the country are going to be selected to face this sort of heightened scrutiny
while other parts aren't. how do you cobble together an electoral majority that actually crafts that in a way that could get enough votes when you don't have the remarkable conditions of 1965 when the first formula was put into place. >> i would say we coddled together that coalition for the immigration bill in the united states senate. and a lot of that is because the people wanted to see a change. you had today a republican congressman from wisconsin and a civil rights leader john lewis, congressman as well sitting together saying, we have to reauthorize this act. what the supreme court has done is left the door open. what they've said is, can you come back and get some data together that shows there's still problems. i think, chris, you had on the show many times people that have demonstrated there are still problems. >> there's no question. >> it's not going to be easy, the goal is to look at the preclearance provisions and put together the data to show we still need them, as well as maybe doing some new things.
>> so there's no question, i mean, i think you and i are in agreement it shows in stark terms why it's still needed. but congressman sensenbrenner to his tremendous credit said the difference between earth and the moon, you know what the house of representatives is like as well as i do, and if you want to take the immigration bill as a metaphor, look what that's run into on the other side. >> it's run into some trouble. if you look at the numbers nearly in the strong votes in the house in 2006. this isn't back in the 1990s, this is 2006 and in the senate it passed 98-0. one of the things i brought up today at the hearing was that with the waiting lines we were seeing, in the 2012 election, 24% of hispanic voters had to wait 30 minutes or more in line. 22% of african-american voters
had to wait more than 30 minutes in line, only 9% of white voters. that just gives you an example of a deterrent problem with waiting that's going on right now. >> so -- >> second thing, congressman ellis and i have a way to resolve this, same day registration. have same day registration, they're not all democratic states, they're states like iowa that has a republican governor, states like maine. the bottom 18 states for voting turnout. the bottom 18 states, none of them have same day registration, there are a lot of possibilities if our goal as the republican city commissioner said today, when i asked her that same question, chris, i said how could we get this coalition together in your part of the republican party, she said, we have to remember this is not about politics, it's about our democracy and america and we have to appeal to the other side.
>> i thought that was very powerful testimony here you can listen to it yourself. >> section 5 has no peer. section two alone is not sufficient. it is an after the fact policy. without clearance, without section five and oath section two is hunting season for discriminatory voting practices. >> the damages have been done, here's my final skeptic case for you. you're a lawyer of tremendous esteem before you became a senator. i've read that the supreme court's decision and i can't tell you what kind of record or formula would pass the threshold that these five justices have given you. do you have any sense on what's going to be good enough for across the street? >> i think that frustration was expressed at the hearing today by senator blumenthal and others. the issue here is that this was a record that members of the
senate and congress have relied on overwhelmingly. they want updated data, some of the data was old. i think we can find that data and be able to show there are problems today texas putting restrictions on voter i.d.s, a number of those states have come out. we barely defeated a proposal in minnesota that would have played it much more difficult for people to vote, but we did it, we did it at the ballot box. i actually think there's some real opportunities here. if your goal is to get voters to vote. which is what differentiates us from so many places around the world that don't let people vote. we have been proud of that, we have to translate that pride into action. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. meanwhile, as the senator just noted, republicans in north carolina are wasting no time in taking advantage of the supreme court's decision to strike down a key portion of the voting right's act. i'll talk to someone on the ground about what this means
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i am fed up and fired up. >> fed up, fired up. >> thank you so much. >> that was 92-year-old north carolina resident of franklin county, north carolina which is one of the 40 of north carolina's 100 counties that were subject to section five of the voting rights act. she was speaking at north carolina's 11th consecutive rally this week. she's worried about signals that republicans in her state plan to push through a package of legislation aimed at restricting voting rights. including a new voter i.d. law, and measures that would put an end to early voting, sunday voting and same day registration. 1.2 million democrats in north carolina cast ballots during the
17 days of early voting in 2012. compare that to about 800,000 republicans, let's assume that a million of those democrats voted for president obama, that means early votes accounted for as much as a half of the 2 million votes obama got in north carolina in 2012. this is what republicans in north carolina are pushing for to get rid of that practice, now that they control both the state legislature and the governor's mansion. joining me here at the table is ari berman and hurting donkeys, the fight to rebuild the democratic party. joining me from north carolina is larry hall, democratic leader in north carolina house of representatives. and representative hall, i'll begin with you, what is on the legislative agenda right now in north carolina. this seems like it's coming down quick. is it going to happen this week, and can you do anything legislatively to stop it? >> good evening. we did do something to make sure the citizens know what's going to happen, they have the numbers
and they've decided what they're going to do, by hook or by crook, and they're going to do it in the dead of night if possible, and sneak it by the people during the light of day. we may not be able to stop it, but we're certainly going to shine the light on it. >> do people know this is going on? that this package of provisions are going to happen? are going to be debated? are they going to be debated? how is this going to be done if it gets done? >> the slight of hand is what's in vogue in the legislature here in north carolina, so we had a bill this week, 16 hours from being approved to being on the floor, and we got 20 minutes of debate time of which they took more than half. so if they follow the same pattern, this could be a ten minute bill in the house of representatives, they could pass it in the senate by laying it on the table and the amendments and go ahead and call the question in a few minutes, get it to the house by express messenger, if they follow the same pattern, we could have a ten minute debate and it could be at the
governor's desk by the end of the day. that's how they are playing their role as good government in north carolina. >> it's not just your state. we're seeing this across the southern states that were covered, are moving with stunning ilacrity -- >> five southern states rushed to implement laws that were judged to be discriminatory, and now are going into effect without section five. there's a strange disconnect because there's a moment where there's a wave of voter suppression efforts. we should be expanding the voter rights act we're struggling to resurrect it. in north carolina they have a green light for suppression. >> are all these states -- i'll come back to you in a second. how are these states justifying, looks obvious and right. they don't want people to vote who want to vote. >> they are making arguments about voter fraud.
they made those same arguments against the votes rights act in 1965. now they're gutting the voting rights act. >> you're -- some of the people in north carolina have been protesting. it's a way to supplement the fact that there's not a legislative majority or a sufficient number of representatives to block things, is that having a political toll. are you hearing your colleagues talk about it? are they taking a hit in the press that's going to make them think twice about the incredibly reaction airy agenda they're pursuing. >> the governor's numbers have gone down over the last three or four weeks. and the state republicans and the state house and senate, their numbers have gone down to the point that they're ten points below house and senate democrats. these fellows are trying to do everything they can at night and get out of town, they'll try it
again as quick as they can, and that's their strategy. >> what i'll say to you is this, we will keep our eye on this, as soon as that vote's going to happen, we will let you know. we want to let our viewers know about it. larry hall, thank you both. that is all in for this evening, the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> i was having the eye make-up part of my preparation happening the time you were playing the 92-year-old woman's i am angry. if you go to the official website for the government of the state of florida, you can see there you can click to meet the governor. and there he is, you meet the governor, rick scott. can you read about governor scott being married to his high school sweetheart for 40 years and serving in the navy.