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the bruising and endless obama care battle entered a new round this morning. president obama once again taughted the benefits of the three-year-old law despite the white house delaying implementation of a key portion of the legislation for another year. >> this is a big country and the health care industry is massive and there's tons of providers so as we implement, there are going to be glitches and there are going to be certain states that for political reasons are resisting implementation and we're just steadily working through all of that stuff. >> those remarks came in response to the 38th, yes, 38th time that the house voted this time on wednesday's appeal for parts or all of it. this time it was the symbolic vote that the white house delayed.
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this passed largely on partisan lines and was dead on arrival in the senate. they voted to pass a one year delay. today the president responded. >> sometimes i just try to figure out why. maybe they think it's good politics, but part of our job here is to not all the think about politics. >> republican opposition to obama care jives with poland. most americans don't understand what it does. nbc's kristin welker is at the white house. kristin, was today another attempt by the president to close that gap. >> reporter: that's exactly what today's event would give. the goal of the event was part of a broader campaign on part of the obama administration to get more people on board with the president's health care law and really to make them understand. this is a communications problem that they've had since the
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beginning when this law was first enacted three years ago. so they're trying to make up for lost time, make people understand what this law really does. today the president highlighted the fact that this summer 8.5 million consumers will be getting rebates of up to about $100 per family under a provision of the health care law which says that insurance companies have to pay at least 80% in medical care costs, not salaries. if they fail to meet that requirement, then they have to give consumers rebates. the president is also highlighting a report that just came out by the health and human services which shows that 11 states could see premiums go down once the affordable health care is acting with. good news they can point to, once it starts to kick in people would start to see the results so they are seizing on some of those early results that they're getting in. as you pointed out at the top of the broadcast, one of the
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challenges right now in terms of this campaign is that just two weeks ago the administration decided to delay the employer mandate by up to a year. that has given republicans fodder in their argument saying that this is tough to enact, it's complicated and doesn't benefit everyone. they make the argument that it could wind up hurting some employers and they've really had sort of a consistent campaign against obama care. that's what we're seeing, sort of the punch and counter punch play out which we've seen many times. as you said, the republicans just yesterday trying to appeal or change the law for the 38th time just yesterday. looking forward, the president himself admitted that there will still be some glitches. one of their big challenges right now is to get young people to sign up for the health care law once they have the opportunity to do so in october. it really depends on them because if they don't sign up in
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large numbers, as many as 2.5 million young americans is what they are targeting, you could see the costs go up for the elderly and for people who are sick who have pre-existing conditions. that's sort of the goal moving forward. this continues to be a tough pr campaign for the white house. >> kristin welker, thanks for that. the washington post matt miller writes about the republican's latest assault on health care. matt is with us at the table today. matt, we're talking about -- i feel like we have seen this story 150 times in the past year. the white house trying to communicate to americans what is actually in this law, what they can take advantage of. this is the overall concept of obama care. so many of the individual components are popular when you pull them but the concept of obama care isn't. when you look at the implementation of this, i kind of wonder. to me we're never going to reach a point where obama care is popular itself. the things that people like are not necessarily directly tied to obama care.
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when they're sent to an insurance exchange and they go by an individual market policy and it's somewhat afford annual, i don't know that they'll say thank you, obama care, but when they have tax returns that they have the individual mandate, they will connect that to obama care. is that a continuation of what we've seen in the last three years in perpetuity. can obama care ever get popular? >> yes. i think the answer is yes once it's implemented. the reason why what you're saying isn't going to be the case is they're in a last-ditch effort. in the last couple of years, the rubber will meet the road starting this fall and the republicans are desperate. they've been desperate for two decades since the clinton care thing went down in flames to stop a dem yacht particular administration from enacting a person using market friendly means. this was a republican designed plan, it's romney obama care, and once the americans realized that the government can play a
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constructive role in ensuring health care in a time of serious economic, you know, globalization, more economic security, that will put republicans in the cat bird's seat for decades. they may be right. to see them in this aurelian way is seizing on everything they can. putting off the employer mandate anyway. there shouldn't be an employer mandate. they're ginning up this thing to say it shows it's unimplemental thing. it's all a house of cards. none of that is true. when they say we should give individuals real relief just like employers, that's crazy. the real relief is having the guarantee that you can get health coverage no matter what the coverage is of you and your family. >> right. >> it means having subsidies to get an affordable policy. it means joining the community of nations that decades ago that even conservatives like margaret
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thatcher said this is what is needed. we're the outlier. there's issues with implementations. it's very complicated. it's complicated because we're a federal system. we have 50 states. we are trying to use the private sector other than any other nation that has a one-shot solution. is it complicated? yes. can it work, yes. >> matt, you talk about the private sector and i love your fire. you look at the impact of the private sector in new york where this week "the new york times" reported that health care costs are falling not by 10 or 20% but by almost 50 perfection percent. h -- 50%. how does that anything? >> it's hipocracy. people who need help. republicans and conservative policy wonks are ones that educated the country that if you're going to do it that way,
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you have to have a mandate to ensure everybody is in the pool. it's the only way to get towards universal coverage. if everybody's not in the pool and you wait until you're sick to buy insurance, the premiums skyrocket and that's what happened in new york. new york decreed community ratings. they didn't mandate and subsidize people to get in. that means premiums soared. the fact that the premiums are about to plummet in the individual remark and the conservative idea at the heart of obama care. now they're a mockery of everything they believe. they're trying to stop. do you see how confused this is? >> it seems that they're still trying to stop the great society programs. any kind of safety programs. there's so much of the romney obama battle was about the great society still arguing those programs. >> except that we've updated the great society to use market
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friendly means. we've already co-opted the market approach which he did six years ago and they're still not happy. >> we're in this permanent campaign mode and this gets passed and we're fighting with the other side to get people to fix it. getting people to buy into it. that's not good for government that we're in a current campaign mode. >> i agree. ghen, others have commented. if you look at the medicare prescription drug benefit that president bush 2 put in, even though republicans were weary of him implementing that, they didn't stop it because it will provide basic security. >> the republican head of the party, they said, yes, there will be glitches along the way. this is bigger than what they did then. you work it out. that's what happened when you have a major program. if both sides could work with goodwill to do this. >> that's not the d.c. we're in.
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>> that's not the d.c. we're in. it's a sad day that this is what it's come to especially when it's implementing a republican designed plans which exposes the depths of the hipocracy. they don't have any plan that koofrs the 3 million of the 50 million insurance. why? moynihan told me before he died they don't republican. that is cynical but it may be true. >> what do you make of -- look. this is the 38th, 39th, i forgot the time there the house has pull gi or portionly repealed that. however, when you look at the vote yesterday two democrats that were running in marquis senators, brailey and peterson both voted with the republicans on this nonsymbolic vote. the move within the democratic party is not this is politically safe to embrace. >> you're right. that's a great marker of that fact, but i would still say once this is implemented and there's going to be glitches, no question, this is hugely complex
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as an information technology matter, as a matter of excuse at the state level because we're a federal sector, by definition it won't be. if you have people in california and new york that are committed to implementing, if you have millions of people who are having health insurance, if at a low income they are subsidized, i'll see a different dynamic. >> we have to go but to touch back on your moynihan comment a second ago. millions of those people do vote republican for social reasons and yet they're leaving him out. >> what is the matter with kansas? >> i've heard that question asked a few times. matt miller, thank you fofr joining us. magazine cover who has everybody talking but you haven't heard what we have to say. "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, july 18th.
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i understand why people are angry that dzhokhar tsarnaev is on the cover. up until now they always show roll models like roman polanski, o.j. simpson or charles manson. we all remember when men's health had their controversial cover, hitler's final solution for belly fat flew off the shelves and cosmopolitan's 50 ways to make your man say americans must pay with blood for muslims abroad. rolling stone magazine has kicked a hornet's nest wide open
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showing the boston bomber looking like a rock star. it's similar to other rock stars. boston's mayor tom menino called it a toto disgrace. death threats have reached the office. "the new yorker" said the controversy or nontraversy said just because something sparks outrage and i tend to agree with that. full disclosure, i worked at rolling stone for ten years and i can put that aside and say, guys, i don't find it to be a controversy or something to be outraged about. you know, we all see this person as a monster. i think everybody in america or almost everybody in america is
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clear on that. the cover calls him a monster. they don't use his name so they're really sort of dehumanizing him in that way. what i get out of this image, jim morrison, bob dylan, he looks like that young rock star. you can say here's a new album coming out, but what it's saying is here as an innocent looking young man. how did this person get to be the person who ruined so many lives on that day in boston? and that, i think, is a really critical story and critical question to ask, don't you, ari? >> yeah. you put it very well. obviously we understand why the people of boston and people around the country may size up this mass murderer, this terrorist and feel tremendous anger and outrage and that's going to be channelled through coverage, as is their right, but as soon as we start hearing from politicians like mayor menino and governor patrick trying to
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tell the press how to report on terrorism or how to present terrorists, i think we're way far away from where we want to be. this was also, i should mention, a really excellent article, about 27 pages, 11,000 words from janet readman and it tells a story of what in the intelligence story of what they sometimes call leakage, the way a person has a double identity and little parts of it leak out and then you get alerted to the fact that there may be something amiss but not enough information not early enough to catch the person. a lot of other details obviously we're not going to fully get into it and a discussion of it. i get concerned when we have politicians and this overreaction. we shouldn't be erring on the side of being afraid to discuss it. the last thing i'll say is there's a long tradition and a rich literature in studying evil, in studying hitler and the nazis and where genocide comes from and how people, whether
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they're loan wolves or whether they're radicalized, how does that happen and how is it different in different religions? that's a conversation we need to have. shame on some of these politicians for getting inside the edit room of rolling stone. i don't need the government telling us how to cover it even if they don't like some of the coverage. >> yeah, look, we'll let the politicians speak for themselves. i'll speak up for people who aren't politicians. i grew up around there. i heard from a lot of people about this. i've seen comments on facebook, this sort of thing. i've heard from plenty who say just what you guys are saying, don't have a problem with it at all. i've heard from others who do. i kind of get that. if you were there that day, if you saw the blood on the sidewalk, if you saw the immediate aftermath of this, if you saw the people who were directly affected. if you saw it, you lived that terror and all of these months later you're confronted with this kind of an image you're not
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going to necessarily or immediately appreciate it or look for the nuance of it. where i come down on it personally for whatever that's worth, i tend to agree with you guys. i believe what he said is right. the point of the article was this was a kid who everybody around him took for a sort of, you know, quote, unquote, normal american kid and you're right, ari, if you actually go and read the story, it's a terrific read. it's his friends from cambridge trying to figure out how this guy they thought they knew, this guy they hung out with -- he was fully integrated in the lives of so many of his classmates in cambridge and they never got a hint of this. maybe one guy got a slight hint and that's it. it stands to reason it's important to understand. i do understand why somebody who was, you know, up there for the bombing, you know, would be offended by it. >> look, i sympathize with the pain that some are feeling around this whole story, but i think also understanding evil is
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important and ignoring evil does not make it go away. that's our take on the situation. we put it out to our facebook friends to see how they felt. bob says he's not really mad, just disappointed. sounds a little like my dad. linda davis says she can handle it. atta girl. what do you think? head over to our facebook page and join the conversation and maybe you'll be chiming in on our next show. straight ahead, times new issue all about trayvon martin. in the news cycle we're going to tell you how the addictive and awesome political show, "house of cards" just made history. >> as for me, i'm just a lowely house majority whip. i keep things moving in a congress choked by metpettiness. my job is to clear the pipes and keep the sludge moving. i won't have to be a plumber much longer. i've done my time. welcome to washington. so... [ gasps ]
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vice president joe biden's political aspirations lead off the news cycle. biden is featured in the latest issue of "gq" magazine. biden told the magazine, quote, i can die a happy man never having been president of the united states of america, but it doesn't mean i won't run. >> i say the same thing. >> emmy history was made this morning when this year's nominees were announced. the fantastic netflix series "house of cards" was nominated. the first top emmy not ever for a program streaming online rather than via traditional television. "breaking bad," "the awesome madmen." and you have "30 rock" and
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"house of cards" it's direct. this next story is too much for tv. the trial of reputed mob boss whitey bulger, a man who was expected to be a key prosecution witness has been felled dead. steven rigs was dropped from the witness list. a decision he was reportedly devastated about. he was owner of old colony lick kers. they found no sign of trauma on his body. the investigation into his death continues. also making news today. trayvon martin's parents speaking out in their first live interview since george zimmerman was acquitted. they speak to nbc's "today" matt lau lauer. >> still shocked. still in disbelief. we felt in our hearts that we were going to get a conviction. >> do you understand how they might have found reasonable doubt? >> i don't understand if they were looking at it from trayvon's point of view because he was a teenager.
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he was scared. >> does your faith allow you to forgive george zimmerman? >> i think that the forgiveness is like a healing process. forgiveness takes time. >> qbes sabrina fulton and tracy martin will spend the entire hour with reverend al sharpton. on wednesday about 1200 people showed up at an orlando courthouse demanding justice for trayvon and protesting gun violence. that is one of the many aspects of this week's issue of time, after trayvon. in the guest spot today is time's washington bureau chief who co-wrote the cover story. michael, we talk about the protests this week and sort of the reaction to this verdict. i wonder, do you see this being
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channelled into any sort of specific legislation. do you think there's any sustained push for specific legislative responses in washington or the state legislative level? >> i think there will. whether it's successful in washington is a different question. a congressional black caucus said they'll push a number of bills. the issues we're talking about are stand your ground and repealing some of that. more laws to prevent profiling. more push on voting rights legislation and then the gun debate. i think where most of the action will happen that could be consequential is on the state level. you could foresee a situation in which if this frustration, outrage continues, proves to be sustaining beyond a summer trial and everyone is watching it on television. issues like voting laws, guns, stand your ground, you could see a situation where this shows up in the mid term elections in
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some districts in the south. >> you mentioned your piece. we celebrated the election of president obama in 2008. the first african-american president but when he sort of touched race head on he talked about like skip gates in 2010, it just -- there's sort of -- and his opponents have really kind of used race as a polarizing way. did that in 2010. i wonder houf the white house is speaking about this. we had eric holder speaking the other day. there was a written statement from obama after the verdict. how is the white house thinking about how to handle and address this? >> i don't think they want the president out there. i think it was very telling that the president's comments came by e-mail. the president's comments a lot of times. this is what we know. i did an interview with him shortly after his election last year and surprisingly one of the things he was focused on in the weeks after the election was how
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can i get criminal justice reform into my second term? the problem is the white house doesn't think him talking about it is the issue. he's too divisive a figure. the only time in his presidency or his time in the national light where he's really been able to succeed in addressing race was in the jeremiah wright comments. his entry in the discussions tends to complicate things further. the skip gates situation was the best example. when you see eric holder going down to florida to address the naacp he's very much talking as a proxy for obama. that is the message that the president would be delivering if he thought it was helpful for him to deliver it himself. >> thus are the challenges of being the first black president. michael, a recent pew poll broke down how there was a significant
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gap in how much each race, black and white, was paying attention to this trial. i think that leads to or explains the pain gap. a lot of black people are in pain behind this verdict. some white people are also. some white people are not. some white people are like we don't understand at all what's going on here. what you've done a lot of times thinking about this, writing this article, what would you like white americans to understand about modern america following this trayvon martin/george zimmerman verdict? >> well, i think for many people watching this trial on tv, took over cable news for three weeks or so, if you're come to go it without having a perspective of possibly being somebody who would be profiled in the way that it appears trayvon martin was profiled, you can see this trial and watch the ins and outs of it as a real question, sort of a legal exercise. is there enough evidence? was there reasonable doubt? do we know exactly what happened in the struggle? did the prosecution prove its case? i think the disconnect here is for people who either have
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children who could be profiled in this way or who felt profiled in this way, the import of this case goes beyond those narrow legal questions and whether you can get guilt in a criminal trial. and i think that's the disconnect. i think for a lot of african-americans watching this trial, people of other minorities who have experienced profiling, another poll recently came out that said something like 1/3 of black men between 18 and 34 feel they have been profiled or treated unfairly by the police in the last 30 days. that's like an epidemic of people in america feeling they're being miss treated regularly by police. if you don't understand that, experience that on a daily basis, you're approaching the trial from a different perspective. i think that's what you saw in the polls that showed interest in the case. >> yeah. do a lot of white americans understand that we're living in two americas? >> we're living in two americas. that's one of the things we tried to explore in the story. it's one of the interesting questions for the country. clearly things are changing.
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it does matter that you have an african-american attorney general, an african-american president. these are historic days in that way. it does matter that by 2040 or 2045 we're going to be a majority minority nation. the demographics are moving in a direction they're not coming back. whites are going to be a minority in this country in 20 or 30 years so all of that is happening. at the same time you have these historic problems still very present and because of the economic collapse of 2008, minority communities are actually hurting more than they were before obama was elected. you have these two story lines, one of real progress, hope and optimism, and one of real frustration. i think this trial brought that out. >> michael, i think you make such an important point there. it's not only two americas, it's also two black americas. yes, a black president, a black attorney general, black upper class individuals controlling more capital than before and yet
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on the other hand those exceptional examples have been used in many instances to say that then we don't need to do anything as a country, as a political system to deal with 400 years of segregation and slavery and other injustice. and you saw that today on the hill where you have a hearing over the voting rights act amendment and questions from republicans about whether racism is over seeming rather discordant especially in light of your article. that goes to the question i want to ask you. why is it so hard to go from an individual case, which as you explained means so much to so many people, and broaden that out to criminal justice reform or for profit reform or civil rights and voting rights issues? why is it so much harder to get to the systemic questions of the country? >> i think that's one of the key questions of the case. one of the questions of the trayvon martin case is this is not the first time this has happened. we have for generations been trans fixed periodically by very
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controversial cases, rodney king, emmitt till, a bunch of other cases. i'm blanking on the names right now. >> sure. >> for a time the entire country will focus on this, will talk about this. these divisions will come out. they will be seen. they will be discussed. then three weeks later they kind of go away. i think one of the things we found when we were reporting, a i lot of the reporting, black pastors, one of the things they're doing is try to find a way that once trayvon martin fades from the headlines his meaning does not fade as well and the repercussions do not fade as well. there is some evidence that that could happen. it is true that in 2012 black voter turnout was higher than white voter turnout. never happened before in the history of this country. there is a real potential here for political activism. it is true that through social media you can organize far more
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easily than you could ever before. there is potential here. there's significant head winds because history would tell us that after these sorts of situations the -- once the headlines fade people tend to turn their attentions elsewhere. >> all right. michael from time, thanks for joining us. up next, hot and dangerous. we haven't even seen the worst of it. make steve scared noise. oh, i'm supposed to say something. all this produce from walmart and secretly served it up in the heart of peach country. it's a fresh-over. we want you to eat some peaches and tell us what you think.
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developing right now, nearly 3,000 firefighters are battling a 35 mile wide fire in california. the flames are moving in three different directions. this is all happening in a community south of los angeles. dry brush and high heat are hampering efforts to get the flames under control. most of the country, of course, is also sweating it out today. temperatures are expected to reach the 90s in each of the lower 48 with it feeling even hotter in most locations.
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it's not just how hot it is but how long it's lasting. some cities in the northeast are experiencing their longest heat wave in more than a decade. wow. now with all the acs set to blast, our power grid is also getting hammered. there's fear of some generator breakdowns in california. long island railroad is struggling to maintain its schedule. we're seeing blackout warnings in manhattan. there is an energy revolution in old and new ways. all of that can help us win the battle for america's energy future. joining us is michael levy, senior fellow for energy and the environment on the council of foreign relations and the author of "the power surge" which is on shelves right now. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> you say we're primed for an energy revolution. why would that happen now and what would that look like? >> we've seen more change over
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the last four or five or six years than we have in the last few years. we've had skyrocketing natural gas, the biggest oil production. we've had falling oil consumption and we've seen a doubling in renewable energy over the last four or five. these are big changes even one of them alone but all put together, they're huge. they come at a time where we have big challenges, economic challenges, security challenges. we have climate challenges that we need to be tackling. >> i guess this comes at the most pressing energy question right now at least in the world of politics would be the keystone pipeline, whether to approve this pipeline from canada to the gulf coast. the case against it, you know, we hear stories about spills, leaks, emissions from, you know, drilling. do you think that's something that president obama's decision is to approve it or not. did it matter in tefrrms of eney
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production? is it a big thing to do this? >> i wish we were if you cussing on other energy challenges and opportunities. the keystone pipeline has real but pretty small climate consequences and real but small economic consequences. we've gotten wound up on both sides and increasingly blown it out of proportion for its impact. all at the same time we have general challenges in cutting our emissions in our power plants and we have real opportunities on the production side that we ought to be focusing on. >> michael, is it true that dekrd decreasing dependence on oil -- >> decreasing dependence on all sources is critical. when prices spike, consumers suffer no matter where they're getting their oil from, whether it's the middle east, canada, texas. so decreasing our oil consumption makes us less vulnerable. just decreasing the amount we've bought from the middle east. we've done that and it doesn't make us nearly as secure as
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consuming less of it overall. >> michael, one more question for you. i know you have a ph.d. in war studies. fracking, gas land has gotten a lot of attention. a lot of critics and progressives have a problem. why don't you tell us why that is wrong? >> fracking can be done badly and it can be done well. you have to make sure it's done well so you can capture the economic opportunity, so you can use it to back out cole and power generations and cut emissions. so we're left from supplies abroad. i visited with a farmer, bill diks, he was trying to figure out whether he wanted them to lease his problem. he went to virginia, he couldn't sleep for days. he went to pennsylvania, the community made a better decision. night and day compared to what had happened across the other border to his 10u9. i think that captures for me the
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difference. you can do it properly and you can do it poorly. if you do it poorly it turns out very badly for the communities involved. doesn't mean that we shouldn't be trying to capture the opportunities that it presents. >> interesting. so you don't see it as a black/white issue. i wish we had more time. michael, thanks for telling us about your book. >> thanks for having me with you. absolutely. how you may be unwhit tingly opting in to let the government watch your every click. ♪ hot times in the city ♪ hot child in the city ♪ running wild and looking pretty ♪ mom make you eat that? i happen to like raisins. [ male announcer ] invest in your heart health. now that's what i'm talkin' about. [ male announcer ] with kellogg's raisin bran®. it's been a happy union. he does laundry, and i do the cleaning. there's only two of us... how much dirt can we manufacture? more than you think. very little. [ doorbell rings ]
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♪ ed snowden remains in moscow at the airport, but he may be able to leave in a week according to his lawyer who expects him to get temporary asylum and, thus, be able to move about freely, sort of, in russia. meanwhile, we remain in vigil prison ed talked to us about. facebook is actually a surveillance program run by the cia. that doesn't seem that far off. the nsa continues hovering up all of our data we rely on to communicate meaning there's no privacy in this world. >> in minneapolis a father came into a target outraged that there was a teenage daughter pregnancy coupon. the man thought target was trying to encourage his daughter to get pregnant, but it turned out thanks to her shopping habits, target knew that she was
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pregnant before her own father did. the father later apologized. >> that's from a fascinating new document. the way our businesses and government can use the data to control us. let's welcome the film's director. it opened last week in new york. it's expanding this weekend into select theaters. cullen, congratulations about this. you open a lot of eyes and you're showing us in a lot of ways thinking about protesting is becoming illegal and in some cases saying something that is harmless like we're going to destroy new york this weekend, meaning we're going to go party really hard in new york, can get you arrested. what is going on? >> yeah. i mean, that's one of the craziest parts, ryan. if you look at the terms and service agreements, especially the ones related to digital communications will have the word prevent in there. that's what we're seeing now is that, of course, it's not the terms of service agreement that
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allows it. the government requires that to be in there, but what we're seeing is this idea of preventing crime from happening, preventing protests from happening. so the surveillance systems that are in place are actually not necessarily stopping terrorism, what >> i think one of the best moments is you find out where mark zuckerberg lives, ambush him, and then you get a smile. >> part of why i went to his house in the first place is because i couldn't get through to anyone at facebook. i sent multiple e-mails. i would have talked to anybody at all, but instead, i decided to go to his house after being stonewalled. i think it's representative of how facebook operates. they want us to be extremely transparent, but they themselves don't want to be transparent at all. that's what i'm doing when i go to his house, really commenting on the hypocrisy of silicon
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vall valley. >> when the nsa revelations started to come out, there were plenty of people saying i guess i'm not that surprised, because facebook already does this sort of thing, i sort of assume when i'm online i'm being watched by everyone. the counter is when it's facebook, google, it's voluntary a your part, you sort of enter into an agreement with them. it just raises the question to me, though, how voluntary is it, really, as a consumer? to avoid being monitored by facebook, to avoid being monitored by google action and all these other sites, you basically have to become a hermit in this day and age, don't you? >> and as teenager it's kind of social suicide. in order to be a modern member of society, we have to be using these things. that's the reality. so if that's the reality, then we need to rethink the ways in
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which these tools operate. something i show in my film, when you're sharing something in facebook you're not saying, hey, i want to share this with the government. i show lots of cases in my movie of perfectly innocent people having their lives upended because of these surveillance systems. >> let's talk about that. a lot of what happens in the digit at space is form contract abuse, in the law where basically you're not really signing a contract in the traditional sense you're basically going along whatever is in there. you can't negotiate back and forth. do you think there's any room -- if not change want to be more digitally responsible? >> absolutely. i think that's totally possible, but it requires users demanding
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it. i think for users to demand it, they need to understand the nature of the trade. they need to understand how much data companies like facebook and google are storing and how that can be used against them. that's what we're trying to do with the films, to expos that. in the long term i think we need cross of the data. it shall be the property of the individual. then you can say, hey take all of my information from facebook and go there. why? because i don't trust facebook. of course in the long run we need to be changes, all of that is necessary, or we're not going to have a private experience online. >> can you imagine a phone company overseas that said we won't ever give your information to the united states government. cullen, thank you very much. >> hey, i want to mention we have a website trackoff.us, where you with petition the
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politicians to watch the film. we open tomorrow in l.a. >> good luck with that. up next, another cheney gets into politics, because that's what america needs. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter... because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios. also available in delicious peanut butter. healthy never tasted so sweet.
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so if there is one thing you learn working in campaigns, it's that politics is always about the future. people care most about where we're headed, what's next, what's new. that's why in america even our political dine citis try emphasize the future over the past. george bush pushed a very
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different conservative. hillary clinton did earn the trust of many democrats, but the campaign faltered partly, because they didn't distinguish herself enough from the his tore of the clinton administration. that brings us to the newest republican star. >> i'm running because i believe it is necessary for a new generation to step up to the place. i'm running, because i know we can no longer afford to go look to get along. >> liz cheney just jumped into the campaign. enzi offered what must be it is most emo -- i thought we were friends, said the 69-year-old republican. what? well, maybe if you're an entitled political elite means never having to run in a
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political contest. enzi has a 93% conservative rating over his entire career, so they're both pretty conservative. ch cheny is going top to do it on style. i don't think the republican need another dick cheney. he left as one of the most reviled federal officials in history. if liz cheney continues to double down, the abuse of secrecy, and of course that endless defense of unethical and immoral torture in the war against terrorists, she may live up to the legacy, but she will struggle to convince voters we need a cheney dine stilledynast.
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it's all yours, martin. july 18th, and contrary to a campaign of disinformation, the affordable care act is not only good for your health, it will also be good for year bank balance. >> firns is a basic tenet of our economy. >> you've see competition. consumers are getting a hint of how much money they'll potential save. >> how can a president. we're refighting the old battles. >> that's all right. go ahead. most americans think we have too many laws. >> there's still a

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