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n. [ male announcer ] advair diskus fluticasone propionate and salmeterol inhalation powder. get your first prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. president obama makes a major statement on the george zimmerman verdict. president obama made a surprise appearance at friday's white house press briefing. the verdict in the george zimmerman case in the killing of trayvon martin. >> when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is
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that trayvon martin could have been me a 35 years ago. >> president also discussed his own personal experience with racial profiling. >> there are very few african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they're shopping in a department store, that includes me. there are very few afric african-american men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. that happens to me, at least before i was a senator. >> those challenges obama said may explain at least in part some of the public outrage at the zimmerman verdict. >> that all contributes to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario that from top to bottom both the outcome and the aftermath might have been
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different. >> at the same time, he made a point of saying things are getting better and pointing to his own family his daughters and their friends are "better than we are, better than we were on these issues." since the verdict came down a week ago tonight, vigils and protests across the country and tonight trayvon martin's parents would join reverend al sharpton for a vigil which they will call for federal civil rights charges for george zimmerman. at the naacp convention eric holder assured activists that they're still examining the case. >> i am concerned about this case. as we confirmed last spring the justice department has an open investigation into it. >> and also in the state of florida, republican governor rick scott met with protest
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leaders on thursday who converged at the state capital all week to repeal the state's stand your ground law. i want to bring in molly ball, staff writer with "atlantic magazine" bob herbert and now at the progressive think take perry bacon jr. and political editor of our sister site grio.com. so, perry, this statement yesterday really sort of came out of no where, at least from the press' stand point they're sitting there and the president walks in and addresses something that i think a lot of people didn't expect he was going to address like this. >> we thought he would address it at some point, but not for 18 minutes and extended remarks in which he talked about himself personally and his own experience as a racial profiling. he hasn't spoken about race in this details way since the 2008 campaign and that's why people were shocked he not only brought
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this up but spoke on personal terms, spoke so long and spoke so eloquently about it and changed the discussion about what's happening here. also said some things that were brave and pretty controversial. people talking all week about conversation led by race and the president said, no, that's not my role. he talked about his children experiencing a better society and he talked about america not being po-- >> he mentioned the idea of the national conversation about race. bill clinton actually commissioned one when he was president, i don't know if it achieved anything and i don't know that that productive of an exercise. what do you think he was -- didn't sound like a legislative goal here and didn't sound like he was interested in the so-called ksconversation and wh do you think the goal was? >> i think he was pressured into it. him to make comments about the
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trayvon martin case and there had been a television interview with trayvon's parents the night before and it was, i think it was on cnn, but it got a little distorted. they were not critical of the president at all, but they were asked a question, what would you like the president to do? and trayvon's mom said it would be great if he could take a look at it and make sure all the is were dotted and ts were crossed. no more controversial than that. promoted as if they were calling on the president to do something. that combined with all the other requests out there made him sort of feel he needed to step forward. i think that he was pressured into it. but i'm uncomfortable with this idea that we'll have a national conversation on race. we'll never have a real conversation and we don't make progress from these incidents. they said that back in the riots during the 1960s, they said that after the verdict in the rodney king case, you know, we were
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going to have a national conversation when reverend wright made his comments and the president, the candidate at the time made his speech. so, you know, we're always going to have to have a national conversation on race. we never seriously engage the issue and after a while the trayvon issue will go away and we'll be right back where we were in the beginning. >> you mentioned trayvon martin's parent they released a statement last night after the president spoke and put it up on the screen to see what they have to say. deeply honored and moved that president obama took the time to speak publicly and length about our son, trayvon. we are thankful for the prayers and we ask for your prayers as we continue to move forward. what bob said is sort of interesting. we talk about the second speech, the second speech in philadelphia, sort of at the height of the democratic primary campaign. molly, did you pick up on any differences between what obama was saying about race back then
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as a candidate versus five years of being president and dealing with the sort of racial overtones and attacks against him in the last five years. has that changed the way he talks about this? >> he has a new understanding being president now of how polarized this issue is and how much hatred and terrible things get stirred up whenever he starts this conversation. you know, he himself talks about ineffectiveness and the idea of a national conversation and he has tended to shy away from this topic by some measures he is talking about race a lot less than other presidents because there is a segment out there that gets exercise by this and such a divisive issue. he has preferred to try to stay out of it a lot. so, you know, i think you see that influencing what he says. but the sort of basic, the sort of backbone of his feelings about this and his sort of tendency to want to be a conciliator and tendency to want
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to bridge communities and try to bring people together even in this polarized atmosphere that we have politically and around this issue, i think that remains constant. >> i want to get in in a little bit we have some time to get into the reaction that we see. carrie, in general said, let me have you speak for all the conservative heres. molly raises an interesting point and i have to say, maybe i was very naive on this but in the beginning i was surprised at the beginning of obama's presidency how frequently race was used and how overtly race was used by many a, not all, but a number of vocal critics on the right. i wonder if that surprised you, too. >> from the beginning? a lot of 2008 centered around reverend wright and this was the question, he had been a member of the church for quite some time and this was a different set of issues and fast forward four years later, we're talking
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about a different situation. a young boy killed. you know, the circumstances are very tragic. it's a different set of circumstances and i think obama felt much more comfortable speaking much more personally four years later. i think he's more comfortable in his own skin. he's come to terms with his narrative on race. >> what did you make? listening to what he made yesterday and trying to convey his own experience and convey the experience of many african-americans in this country when it comes to racial profiling and people kind of looking at you with a little extra suspicion. what did it make of you listening to that? >> i thought it was an important case that he made that those of us, obviously, my genetic makeup. i can have sympathy for his position. i cannot truly have empathy because i did not experience what he experienced. which is unfortunate. i think a lot of white americaned need to realize that. that being said, i think some people were concerned and they
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felt that he was to some extent conflating. the distinction between racial profiling and criminal profiling. you had on your show last week a defense or an attorney for the family darryl parks and he made that important distinction. but this case was about criminal profiling and not about racial profiling and i think some people were concerned that obama was conflating that. >> and i think the other thing, too, is the president also is making a, seemed to be making a distinction at the start of the speech, we have all the particular issues and the legal that the jury was confronted with. part of what he was saying is that i want all of america to understand why some of america took this verdict so personally and i think he was trying to convey that, too. >> at this late day, who are you trying to persuade? is there anyone out there who doesn't recognize that there is a great deal of racial profiling
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that are going on that black men and young boys are viewed with suspicion, that there is still a tremendous amount of racial discrimination in this country. anyone is not going to be persuaded by a comment or a conversation or a speech. so, you know, who are we trying to convince? >> well, that brings up an interesting point. i want to pick this up in a second after this break because an interesting column written by eugene robinson. about two hours before obama's speech yesterday. i want to read from that column and get some reaction, after this. mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder. one last play... no, game over! gps take him to the dog house. [ male announcer ] make a powerful first impression.
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speech. just to set the record straight. the column i was talking about published in "washington post" basically the same day that president obama spoke yesterday and eugene robinson's point was that president obama should not do what he went out and did later in the day. when the president talks about race, he can't help it even if his intentions are good, people feel threatened. at this point in his presidency he could ignore this absurd reality and say whatever he wants. the unfortunate fact is if his aim is to prevent dialogue on race speaking his mind is demonstrably counterproductive. the president weighed in almost casually on the skip gates matter in cambridge and it just all of this blow back and it overheated sort of racial rhetoric that resulted from that. what do you make of the point that eugene robinson was raising yesterday? >> i don't agree with it. the comments about skip gates were not the most careful thing
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the president has said. looking back, the phrase, the police acted stupidly was not the right way to approach it. versus this speech, if you heard it, there hasn't been a lot of, there isn't too much negative reaction and this speech was very careful. i remember one thing bob said was i don't think the president was trying to persuade anybody yesterday. this was a speech given publicly to the african-american community in part and this is aimed at blacks and people very concerned about this case, which also includes other people for sure, as well. i think he also took a lot of steps to make sure not to offend and really speak about the issues in a broad way. he talked about the fact that a lot of perpetuators and i think he was really trying to be balanced and really hit all the issues really well. if he speaks about race in that way, he can certainly address the issues and speak to a certain community without necessarily offending anybody.
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i don't think we'll hear the kind of reactions about this speech that we heard in 2009 because it was framed much more carefully. >> there was a response senator ted cruz from texas, i want to call him out on it. he said this was a call for obama to steal people's guns. that's ted cruz he is angle for 2016, i think he overreacted. >> i don't want to do overkill here, but i want to play something else because i think there were a lot of reactions like that yesterday. there were also some sort of, some better reaction as chris wallace was on fox news saying if you think this was a president race baiting or anything, that is just crazy. audience of millions on the right and this was his immediate reaction to the speech yesterday. >> if i had a son he'd look like trayvon. you know, now the president is saying that trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. oh, that's this is a particularly helpful comment. is that the president admitting
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i guess because he was part of the gang. >> i watched the speech yesterday and i saw reaction as trickling and i saw reactions from sean hannity and i said there really is a considerable segment of the right where there isanch an appetite for this kind of response for the president talking about race. i wonder where that's coming from. >> any time obama is going to talk about race because it could potentially be intrperated. it was interpreted that he was shining the spotlight on himself and making this all about him and not so much about the broader conversation and any time the president makes it about him, conservatives are happy to, you know, go after him. >> and, molly, i wonder, too. you have like, sean hannity speaking out, i didn't hear any
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reactions from john boehner, mitch mcconnell and top republicans in washington, it seemed like they were silent on this. >> conservative commentators who did find. let's remember what the sort of bottom line of obama's comments now and immediately after the verdict was, which was he was calling on people to respect the verdict. he's saying that we need to respect what the jury has done here and respect the workings of the legal system. so, i mean, there is, so for people who believe that the verdict was tremendously wrong, that's not going to be very satisfying to them and there are some who wonder if he isn't setting up to have the department of justice not move on this case. >> if you are going to talk about race, it doesn't matter what the president says. the people who are hostile to obama or the people who are hostile to african-americans are going to be up in arms. i mean, so, there's no way to win on that front. president has his own concerns. he is the president of the united states, not black america.
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but when i think about black people in general, my first thought is why are you so fearful to offend? if people are racist, you should be in their face and you should be offending people like that. i think there has been much too much of a mild mannered approach in this country among african-americans and people who will support the idea of civil rights. i think that we need more militancy. i think that this whole idea of you can't be the angry black man, you know, well, maybe you can't be the angry black man and get elected president. but only person who is going to be president and a lot of other people out here who can and should be angry over the way blacks are treated in this society. >> i think the president spoke to, i agree with you, bob, he spoke to that in terms of public policies in ways to reduce racial profiling. he talked about stand your ground laws. he talked about reducing inequities that are based on race. he's not aggressive in tone about race, as other people
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might want him to be. in terms of looking at the policy, i think he did sort of lay out some markers about where we can go from here that will impact people's lives, as well. >> he mentioned a few policy areas and he hinted at the idea of maybe not having a federal civil rights charges against george zimmerman. we'll pick that up and also bring in a former u.s. senator to weigh in after this. effect of many medications but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene. available as an oral rinse, toothpaste, spray or gel, biotene can provide soothing relief, and it helps keep your mouth healthy, too. remember, while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isn't. biotene -- for people who suffer from dry mouth. a dry mouth isn't. geico's defensive driver,ke 13. good student and multi-policy discounts could save you hundreds of dollus. engineer: uh geico's discounts could save you hundreds of "doll-ars."
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question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of losses. >> so, i mean, i guess i take this is as sort of no federal action on the table in terms of stand your ground laws, should states be adopting these in the future and states taking stand your ground laws off the books. some of the wording there was very almost equivocal. we might think about. as a president after five years understands the limits, too. >> right. you know, to the question of the conservative reaction, i think, you know, this whole tension between federal and state, that's traditionally conservative issue is states rights, local rights, that's another thing that is going to inflame the right or kind of -- and the president did make the important note that stand your ground was not invoked in this case and then, also, i want to make the point.
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"the daily caller" did a piece that stand your ground in florida benefits, they greatly use it to protect them. >> clear despairties between who is sort of able to have the stand your ground defense accepted. it is accepted a lot more. it was also -- >> that's not the question of whether it is a valid law. >> the other thing, we were talking about this, we had the show sunday morning. that was 12 hours after the verdict. last sunday morning we had the show 12 hours after the verdict and i was trying to figure out the role stand your ground had played in the trial and it doesn't seem like the defense invoked this and then i heard the juror, the juror gave the interview on another network and explicitly mentioned stand your ground. it was in the mind of the jurors. >> i think one of the clear cut results from this will be that there are 22 states that have florida-style stand your ground laws and including four of them, new hampshire being one of them, florida. four states that obama won.
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i think in states that are sort of more democratic, you will not have these laws in the future and that is one real result that will happen. the president combined with eric holder, maybe equivocal and they made clear that they don't think stand your ground laws are clear, public policy and very hard for any democratic state to pass one of those, again. >> i think stand your ground is important to fight these laws. they are lousy laws, but just one of many issues that need to be dealt with if we're talking about race. right here in new york, you have the stop and frisk thing, which is an young black men and boys and sometimes girls. but, also, the real problems in these area have -- in these areas have to do with employment discrimination and housing discrimination and what goes on in the schools that black kids attend where they're cutting
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budgets and they're firing teachers and getting rid of programs and stuff. if you look at the economic situation of black people in the country, they're completely at the bottom, at the same time we're talking about so much progress over the last half century and these are the issues that need to be engaged forcefully, in my view, milit t militantly, and these are the issues that we are not confronting. >> i want to bring into the conversation here, we have former u.s. senator byron dorgan who spent 30 years in congress and co-author of the new novel called "gridlock" which could be titled. what you made, extraordinary moment that the president speaking for 18 minutes sort of unscripted yesterday what did you make watching that? what did you make of it? >> i was proud of the president. sometimes, not always, there is a bright line between being thoughtful and being thoughtless. i thought the president was
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disarmingly personal in many ways. i thought it was a very thoughtful reflection that he gave us on difficult issue and the thoughtless side, of course, is the ranting by some that you already described. i mean, this president could say good morning to some people and they would object to it. that's how it's how the politics is sorted out in recent years. but, no, i was proud of the president. i think this was a very interesting and i think useful reflection that he has given on this issue. >> all right, senator dorgan, we'll keep you around for a few more segments and we're going to switch gears here. the rhetoric on obama care meets the reality. that's next. kid-proof." softsprings got both, let me show you. right over here. here, feel this. wow, that's nice. wow. the soft carpets have never been this durable. you know i think we'll take it. get kid-friendly toughness and feet-friendly softness, without walking all over your budget. he didn't tell us it would do this.
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estimates for health care premiums on the individual markets being created under obama care are coming in and state after state the price tag is less than expected. encouraging news that the president touted on thursday. >> we're saying that consumers are getting a hint of how much money they're potentially going
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to save because of this law. >> this came a day after house republicans logged their 38th and 39th votes to repeal all or part of the law. this time on separate measures to delay the implementation of the employer mandate and individual mandate. >> even the law's authors are realizing the law is unworkable. >> they're finally admitting this is a train wreck and it's not ready for primetime. >> i despise obama care. i think it should be ripped out by the roots. >> glad we got that one in there. a couple dozen democrats that crossed over to vote on both those measures and it was symbolic. it was dead on arrival and as we've seen for more than three years now, provisions are popular with the public. the poll found that half of americans think obama care itself is a bad idea. well 39% say the law will have no impact on them and their families and 38% say it will make them worst off. twice the number who say it will
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make them better off. in response, the obama administration is emphasizing health care reform real world benefits. next year's individual premiums will be cut in half from where they are today. so far in california, washington, montana, vermont, new mexico, louisiana, washington, d.c. and oregon premiums are dropping due to obama care. something that the president played up on thursday. >> i recognize that there's still a lot of ofolks in this town, at least, who are rooting for this law to fail. some of them seem to think this law is about me. it's not. i already have really good health care. >> want to bring in congressional reporter for talkingpoints.com. former senator byron dorgan is with us for conversation, as well. i want to start by how politics and policy have met in this sort of awkward ways. i think it is perfectly
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illustrated by a couple things we want to show here first. we'll start with the executive director and the health insurance exchange in california and this is his reaction when the rates came out for california, the projected rates. this is a home run for consumers in every region of california. this is in democratically controlled california. republican controlled ohio, the rates have come in there. the state and have much higher premiums for their health insurance and just a disaster in ohio. now, let's look at what these individual prices are the individual policies in california, $331 and in ohio $333. a difference of $2 and that is a difference between a disaster and a home run. it just seems to me that this is really, if you're in a red state or republican governor, you're going to do, republican administration and you're going to do your best to talk about how terrible this is going and if you're a blue state, how well it's going and the does the
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reality start to register with people? >> not any time soon because, as you saw, premiums were going out in many states. insurers want to compete to get millions of new customers in the exchange and the data finds that once you get new customers and once you sign up new customers for insurance, they tend to stick with you. they may go up later on, but as far as the politics right now, whether you're republicans or democrats, you have to have certain depression on this. it's spun very differently and then once public opinion crystalizes on this, we will have a clear sense of where this is dpoeg and if it seeds it will be extremely difficult for republican states to continue to sabotage it. >> josh, you're coming down from massachusetts, the state that created the model for what's taking place nationally. i think we had this discussion last year, this is encouraging news. not all these estimates coming in the news from new york this
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week, the individual policies that are like over 1,000 bucks for people. you're going to come down by more than 50%. competition is working. >> it is somewhat encouraging you're highlighting a difference that every state is going to be impacted by the affordable health care act and new york is an interesting story and explains of the rate filings come out. in 1992 young people starting their careers would pay the exact same amount for their premiums that older folks that are typically less healthy would. as a result, all the young people dropped out. as a result 17,000 people in new york buying in the individual market out of 615,000. incredibly expensive. hence the $1,000. >> the young, healthy individuals were not required to have insurance and they dropped out and therefore the premiums sky rocketed and isn't that sort of, that is a validation of that
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idea of the individual mandate. with the individual mandate, the young, healthy people go back into the system and we see the prices come down. >> that is the hope, that is the theory. again, in massachusetts, that hasn't necessarily been what happened. we still have the highest premiums in the entire country. the problem is in the million dollar question is can you get young, healthy people to decide to purchase insurance that they seen as unaffordable. the obama campaign and the administration has been running focus groups in "washington post" and they presented, $210 a month is affordable insurance. across the board, all the young people said, it's unaffordable. when they reframe it and say you can save this much versus what you can pay on your own, that seems like a better deal. if i'm a young, healthy person in new york city, i could pay 98 and i see that as unaffordable. >> then the issue, too, a lot of these young people are eligible for the subsities that are part
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of that, too. raise the central challenge for supporters of the law at this point. this implementation in getting healthy 18 to 34 year olds, healthy young people making the case they need to sign up for this. if you can't get them to sign up in the first year, big implementation problems, right? >> look, implementation problems with something like this, i understand that. but in some ways this discussion that happens all over this country is almost a fact free zone. the republicans have an obsession about this. this could work perfectly. they would still have this obsession and they want to abolish it. they never supported it. i voted for this law and, of course, i want it to work and the question to ask all of those fec e e e e e e e e e es you voted to repeal it 38 times what is your plan, the answer is they don't have the plan, that's
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the problem. they spent all this time trying to prevent this administration from implementing the plan. the plan will be implemented. will it work perfectly? no. is it the right direction for the country? yes. >> we have interesting stats here about who exactly the young people are who the administration feels it really has to target to get enrolled in this. we'll pick it up after this. so now i can help make this a great block party. ♪ [ male announcer ] advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems.
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texas, rick perry's texas is fighting this law and in florida the republican governor is fighting his fellow republicans about whether he should be embracing the law and it just raises the question to me, if a year from now we're talking about 18 to 34 year olds not signing up the numbers we need them to sign up in, what happens then? >> i think that is a good chance that would be the case because i've been going around the country talking to young people about employment and the economy and an awful lot of young people are just flat broke. even college kids with the college loans that they have to pay off and they're having problems on the employment market. so, it's only a little over half, 50% of four-year college graduates from the last few years. we even have full-time jobs at all. so, i think that is a very heavy lift for the administration, this issue. i agree with josh. i think the affordability becomes the real issue and i think that people may be surprised at what young, healthy guys think of as affordable.
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>> well, molly, i wonder when you talk to people in the administration and around the administration, how worried about this are they? we talked about, well, you had the supreme court ruling and 2012 election and the law of the land and you look at enrolling the young people, that is sort of the ball game at this point. >> if anybody ever thought when they passed the law this would be over as a fight, i think there was more of a feeling about that -- that's something that people have learned. the republicans haven't stopped fighting it. there are problems with the law and there are flaws in the bill and in an ideal world congress would be able to fix. because it is so politicized you saw eric cantor proposing improvements to health care and republicans wouldn't consider it because all they want to do is repeal because it is such a political thing and you have things like the employer mandate that the administration is delaying now. that's an obvious bump in the road and, so, the idea that you
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just pass the law and then everything, we're in this brave new world of university health care, that's clearly not the case. >> i'm curious, josh, from a republican standpoint, what is the end game here? we had the 39 repeal votes or whatever and, yeah, okay, if the implementation doesn't work and if republicans were to get the senate in '14 and i guess i can see a scenario off the books and realize their six-year dream and obama care is gone. at the whole point how this was designed to make this friendly to the insurance industry and not to have single payer health care, if this doesn't work and down the road this is taken off the books. democrats will make single payer their objective, which would be socialized medicine and we haven't seen the replaced things from republicans. what is it affirmatively that republicans are looking for? >> i think you're right. the senators are exactly right. republicans haven't come forward with a comprehensive view. that doesn't mean there are lots
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of ideas. they just haven't put them together as a caucus and endorsed them. a political calculation, first and foremost our goal is to get rid of as much of obama care as we can and then work on a convenss if we feel we have the bill. i think this is one of the misunderstood points of health reform. what governor romney did in massachusetts with the democratic legislature was smallernimble and if fact it was done at the federal level. what you can do when it comes to tax treatment of insurance and you have weird consensus and you are saying you shouldn't get it from your employer and, okay, we're going to phase out and getting your insurance from your employer and then we're going to put people out on public and private exchanges and then you get people purchasing insurance that is the best for them.
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you no longer have 35 year olds and you get a lot more competition here. that's ultimately where republicans want to ge. where you get more of that insurance and people are becoming more active as a health care consumer. >> you may be expressing any of them express it, i have to tell you, like watching this for the last few years, i don't think there is a replaced portion of this from republicans. what actually went into place is basically what would have been in place, if mitt romney would have been elected in 2008. i think this is what health care would look like in america. republicans don't know how to respond to that. i hate to cut it off there and stumble, but we'll pick it up with this since the financial reform becoming reality and that's next. all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork.
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the senate has confirmed, has finally confirmed a director for the consumer financial protection bureau, one of the most important developments in curbing wall street abuses since the new deal reforms. this ends over two years of
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obstruction as president obama noted in this week's radio address. >> republicans in the senate refuse to give them a simple up or down vote. not because they didn't think he was the right person for the job, but because they didn't like the law that set up the consumer watch dog in the first place. >> after confirmation, senator elizabeth warren who is leader in pressing and president obama's first choice to clear it declared victory to chris hayes on tuesday. >> this agency is here to stay. no more clouds over what it legally is entitled to do. no more attacks that say maybe we're going to be able to undercut it in this way or weaken it in that way. we have a full fledge watchdog. the one we fought for and he's going to be there to fight for us. >> this comes on the eve of the third anniversary, that's tomorrow of obama signing the dodd/frank act into law and implementation of that has been delayed ever since.
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the law's first anniversary "daley show" captured that slow pace. >> i'm no law, john. i'm just 203-page of legislation. you see this? you see this here? i stole this off the voting rights act of 1965. >> contrast that sentiment with the treasury tone that jack lew struck this week. >> going forward, we'll pressure our progress in weeks and months and not in years. and much of our remaining work will be completed in the next five months. by the end of this year, the core elements of the dodd/frank act will be substantially in place. >> so, we have former senator byron dorgan with us and senator dorgan, i want to talk to you about this because if you talk about the whole history leading up to the crash in 2008, you go
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back to the 1999 when the senate voted to repeal glass deal and you were one of the very few. eight senators who voted against doing that and you were spoke out against it and what that would mean. i wonder what now you make if we have the consumer financial bureau up and running, finally. richard haas been running it on a recess appointment for the last 18 months. what, for a consumer, is the big deal now that he is confirmed. what does that mean to the average consumer? >> that is good news. this is the nugget in the dodd/frank bill. a lot of americans got cheated by unskcrupulous actions and at the same time, while i voted for dodd/frank because it was better than not doing anything and if you have things in it like the consumer protection agency, it also failed to address some other significant issues. the big banks that are too big
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to fail are much, much bigger now than they were. nothing was done to get rid of what i called naked credit default swaps that was just flat out gambling by some of the largest financial institutions. that puts the american taxpayers at risk. there is a lot yet to be done and the administration is going through writing rules and some of these are delayed. i still think we're far short of the solution that is necessary. >> and a lot of people have told me that the cfpb was probably the best single thing that was in dodd/frank but the rest of dodd/frank we talk about the delays. it was 62% of the provisions have come in and been implemented behind schedule. one of the most talked about features is the so-called vocal rule, which i guess jack lew said he expects to be in place by the end of the year. can you talk about that rule and what that means? >> i first wrote about this, i think, in 1996. think of that. cover story for "washington
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monthly" magazine that i titled very risky business. kind of after the movie title and it was about the financial institutions, the big banks and proprietary trading on their own accounts and i said it's like putting a craps table in the lobby. just flat out gambling. well, the rule is something that moves down the road to say, those kinds of institutions cannot be engaged in proprietary trading. wall street is pushing back to weaken the implementation and it was exactly the right thing to do. it needs to get implemented and needs to be implemented in a way that is strong and protects our economy and protects the american taxpayer. >> very short on time, but i do want to ask you senator you have this book out why did you decide to write a novel? >> i've written two now. this is the second novel. the first two books are about economics. i wrote about the wall street
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debacle. this is about a worm or virus put in the computer virus given to iran and they use a hacker in amsterdam to try to shut down the american electric power grid. former saerbt of defense leon panetta said the next pearl harbor is likely to be a cyberterr cyberterror i think this is a thrilling fictional account of what can and cannot happen. i think it's a good book. >> former senator turned thriller writer, byron dorgan, thank you for joining us, senator. also sahil and josh from the pioneer institute, thank you for joining us today. a fatal flaw in liz cheney's senate campaign. that's next. i'm tony siragusa and i'm training guys who leak a little,
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anyone came to a sudden end this week. while the vote to cut off debate and allow a simple up or down vote on the bill was lop sided, 71-29 was the final margin. still plenty of hold outs. even if it meant provoking democrats to changing the rules of the senate with the nuclear option. republicans like this one. that was mike it was kind of fitting, one of the quietest members of the senate and also possible that he wasn't at the senate floor at that moment but more dramatic if we put it this way. take our word for it, he's really quiet. he has been there for 17 years and rarely makes headlines. partly because he is a low-key guy and never does anything that is really surprising. he votes exactly like you would expect a senator to vote. that means a lifetime rating of
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93 out of 100 from the american conservative union. means he was ranked by the national journal this year as the eighth most conservative member of the senate. ahead of tom colburn and it means he has spent the obama presidency republican ubstruckism. you can say a lot about the experience he has racked up but keep him safe from what every republican on capitol hill came to feel most, a primary challenge. >> i am running for the united states senate. because i believe deeply in the values that have made our state and our nation great. i am running because i believe it is necessary for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. >> liz cheney comes from a political family. you've probably heard of it with deep roots in republican politics and very ambitious politically. she is in a hurry to run for the senate and willing to push aside a fellow roepublican, if need b.
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but in a basic way the candidacy makes no sense at all because she will have to answer a question that there is probably not a good answer for. look at it this way defeated in primaries. okay, an asterisk there, that's bob bennett in 2010. technically he lost at the utah state convention and not in a primary. murkowski comes with a disclaimer, too, since she lost the gop primary in alaska and won the election on write-ins. one thing all the senators on this list have in common. taken position in cast votes that anger components of their party coalition thus creating an opening for an ambitious challenger to take them out in a primary. those are major no, no for republican incumbent at the height of the tea party. he also didn't spend much time in indiana and frequently praised by high-profile democrats in washington,
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including president obama. flunked most of the tribal purity test that now apply to republican office holders. tarp helped take down murkowski and specter rein was a democrat in 2010 but a republican before that. lieberman enraged democrats with his support for the iraq war. bob smith, anybody remember him? he invited a primary challenge in 2002 by briefly leaving the gop in 2000 to run a board of third party campaign. sheila fran was an appointed senator and appointed as a rhino in 1996. alan dixon lost to moseley brown back in 1992. and then there's mike, he was a nonnative and never meshed with political culture and jacob javts, one of the last uthentically liberal republicans that made him a relic in his own
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party. again, say what you will, but his name doesn't fit with the rest of that list. if you're a conservative republican in wyoming and most of the voters who will pick the senator next year you're probably happy with just all the votes he cast and you're probably not itching to throw him out and to find a new senator. actually, probably isn't the right word here because we have a new poll. the first poll of the battle, enzi has a 55% approval rating. we know that cheneys don't like to admit making mistakes, but just a few days into her campaign maybe, just maybe liz cheney is tastarting to wonder what she has gotten herself into. we'll talk with molly and perry bacon jr. and carrie sheffield
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contributor with "daily caller." molly, i have to say i saw this poll that came out yesterday and i was "a," happy, because i had written that two days earlier. validated. i didn't have to write it, again. i know liz cheney is ama bibiti but is there a chance she won't last and say this was a mistake and kind of cuts bait. >> i'll challenge you a little bit on the poll. for an incumbent senator and who has a 73% approval rating for only 55% of them to be saying they want to re-elect him versus the primary challenger is not as strong as it could be and if he was under 50, a clear danger sign. the fact that he is only at 55, she does have an opportunity to get some traction and that 21% who are already saying they're going to vote for her without hearing anything she has to say means the cheney name has a lot of cachet among republicans and something that i have written about, you have a microcosm of the chaos within the republican party going on in wyoming where
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they're sort of a tea party element that is very conservative, that is challenging a lot of the republican tradition, sort of culiegeal tradition in wyoming and this plays into that whole feud. i don't think she's going no where. >> i guess the reason i say that is because there's one exception to this idea of, wow, if there is no clear opening for a primary challenger. there is one exception i can think of that i've seen in recent pasts and that was cory booker against the late frank lautenberg before he passed away, lautenberg had done nothing to defend the democratic base. polling that put him 20, 30 points ahead of him as a primary. cheney doesn't have the charisma that says more about liz cheney than mike enzi. >> mike enzi has a big lead.
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i agree with molly. i think there is an opening here because the fact that fame plays such a big role in our politics. the same reason cory booker will not run again which is what booker was going to win that primary if he ran against lautenberg and cheney has that same kind of fame. the challenge here being she does have to speak to why is she running for the senate. i think it's critical here. why, if you look at virginia where she used to live and she'd probably have to win 1 million votes to be a senator and to win the primary in election, the republican primary, 50,000 votes. there is a clear cut argument right now for enzi to make that you just showed up here because it's easier for you to get to the senate. room for her to win, but she has to do more than what she's doing now and she has no message and she's not really contrasted in any strong way and she's not like cory booker. she's not rescuing people from their homes.
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she's got to do something with the cheney name and also doesn't have the rand paul thing of having a different kind of conservati conservativism. there's room, but i don't know where she is right now. >> she doesn't have the rand paul thing. carrie, dick cheney left office with a 14% approval rating. i'm making it up but i'm probably not that far off. but what do national republicans think of this? do they want a cheney dynasty? >> dick cheney never cared about polling. we can just set that aside. daughter is a different story. i think there are some ins here. i pulled up the heritage action scorecard which is the heritage foundation. they gave a 67% rating to enzi and that compares with an 82% rating to rubio. some votes that they took issue with and he supported the internet sales tax and supported farm bill culture including the food stamps and did not vote on
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the immigration bill. i think to the points that have been made and the other thing i want to point out, i just want to call out ed rollins. he said that the argument will be that cheney is just a desperate or bored house wife. you know, nationally if the party is trying to appeal to women. ed rollins did great in 1984, but you need to update that message. >> i like that. >> are you, as a republican, though, the idea of having a cheney out there, again, with -- we talk about jeb bush in 2016. you know, now liz cheney coming out and the bush cheney name as a republican doesn't make you nervous. we are going to move our party past that. >> i think cheney makes you guys a lot more nervous than the right. i know there's this wanting to paint him as this darth vader figure, whatever. this is, this is, first of all, that's, i think that's over the top rhetoric and, secondly, this is his daughter. this is a completely different person and different track
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record and i think voters -- >> i guess that famous line that ed mccormack used in massachusetts against ted kennedy, if your name were edward moore and i wonder if your name wasn't cheney. >> i haven't spent a lot of time studying gop politics in wyoming, but when you're talking about a small number of votes in a primary. if you're talking about fewer than 100,000 votes, it seems that money is also one of the wildcards here. what kind of money is going to be generated and what kind of television ads play well in wyoming. i have no idea if liz cheney has a shot at this or not, but i think money is always, always a big factor. >> there is, just quickly, i have mentioned rand paul a second ago. so interesting. when rand paul ran in 2010, people in dick cheney's orbit who were backing and they do not like what rand paul represents in terms of policy and one of the first to rush to mike enzi's
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party. >> and the sort of less interventionest foreign policy that rand paul represents is very much at odds with the sort of conservative foreign policy that both of the cheneys, but i think that also speaks to the fact that you don't see a clear cut sense that the right wants to back liz cheney. you have some voices on the right who just like any sort of attempt to topple the old guard. but there has been a very mixed reception among national republicans. a lot of them feel this is a headache they don't need. that they had two seasons of divisive primary battles. they would like to be more unified and, yet, you know, for the republican party nationally. there's still these sort of fires to put out that are really unnecessary. >> also, i noticed a coming to mike enzi's defense, the republican at-large congresswoman from wyoming. she talked about his great service. i think what she was trying to say there is i want to be next
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in line for this seat. that's politics. bad news keeps coming for bob mcdonnell. that's next.
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another week, another round of damaging ethics revelations including the nation's most embattled governor. this time the "richmond times" reported that mcdonnell has been renting out a house he owns on top of another scandal that mcdonnell was involved including lavish undisclosed gifts and loans that they received from johnny r. williams sr. a nutritional supplement executive. mcdonnell who was once considered a rising star within his party was a headline speaker at the republican national convention last summer. he was talked up as a possible running mate for mitt romney and now beefed up his private legal
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team, bringing on a high-profile, u.s. attorney to defend him. all of this against the backdrop of a very competitive race to succeed mcdonnell as governor between former dnc chairman, republican state attorney ken kuch nelly who has his own ties to johnny williams. poll released thursday shows mccoughal with 43% and note the first debate between the two candidates is set for this morning. as i understand it, an 11:00 a.m. debate broadcast only on the internet on a saturday in a july heat wave. yet, i will probably find a way to watch this later. i want to get to this year's race because that's the future. i want to talk about the future with mcdonnell. it really, i guess, these sort of stories about politicians shouldn't surprise you. this surprises me because i
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always read bob mcdonnell who had national inspirations. i covered new jersey politics. you get these sorts of stories in new jersey politics about 40-year legislature and long-time and people who are not thinking about running statewide and going national and they start taking gifts and taking favors. these sort of deals and yet this guy was being talked up for vp and white house and this is the stuff that he gets himself in. it is amazing to me. >> i covered jersey politics, too. you think what are these guys thinking and year after year they get involved and tangled in these situations. they implode and then they're out of there and then their successor comes along and almost does the same thing. it happened in newark for decade after decade and happened in hudson county all the time. it was like sort of a way of life in hudson county for a long time and happens in many other parts. i just assume they're not thinking or they think they're not going to get caught. it's bizarre.
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>> but it is, the other thing that this raises. the big news for cuccinelli was thursday night that is that he is not going to be charged with ethics violations. he received $5,100 in gifts from the same donor and used this guy's lake house in the summer and i think he had stock in the company, the company had sued the state as attorney general he had to be defending the state and also owned stock in the company. he was told by the commonwealth attorney, no ethics violations here, okay, when that's good news for your campaign, that's bad news, too. the headline says not going to charge, still not a great headline. and i think it also cuts at his core message. he is known as, he is known as being a sort of purist and social conservative. his frame is the democrats argue he's too conservative but he's certainly not immoral and he's
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the moral candidate, as far as we know. it also means that mcauliffe, not a terribly exciting democrat. democrats not excited about him. that said, he's gotten this has been a great few months for him. the incumbent governor and the candidates running against both scandals. >> mcauliffe has his own challenges, as well. there was a big investigation with green energy projects and is this the solyndra and you showed the poll, the poll is fairly tight and there's a lot that can happen with the debates coming forward and hopefully they'll have more that are more prominent. >> the poll just speaks to how broadly unlikable both of these candidates are. the line i give credit, jonathan has said he called terry mcauliffe the democrat who democrats have dreamed of voting against. he just reeks of the big money
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and all this stuff. molly, when i look at this race, i think of another virginia race. back in 1994, chuck rob who had been through a bunch of scandals was the only person who could actually lose to oliver north and oliver north was the only person and look at these two candidates, probably the same thing. >> that's why it's good news for mcauliffe any time the spotlight is not on him. he does have baggage. he is not a likable candidate but any time the spotlight is on the republicans, whether it's cuccinelli or bob mcdonnell. everyone thought it would be the best selling point for him because he was so widely popular. this has tarnished him tremendously and still at 46% approval, which shows you how far he had to fall. nobody thought going into this race that bob mcdonnell would be a negative for ken cuccinelli. the stance that he has taken and the sort of crusading and the legal crusades he has undertaken
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which conservatives are tremendous fans of but they wouldn't play so well to moderate voters. >> the scandal has distracted from that. so maybe in that way it has helped. but there is a lieutenant governor, bill bolling who wanted to run for governor this year and would not have had that same ideological baggage and he dropped out of the race because he looked and said the state republican and it won't go with me. practically speaking, if you guys nominated bill this year, this might not be much of a race. >> first of all, i'm registered independent. >> sorry. why do they call you republican. >> but the decision that he dropped out was prescandal. i think he shows the wrong occupation. if he wanted to get rich and wear a rolex he should have been a hedge fund manager. he should not have gone into
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politics. i think there is still time for cuchinelli. >> this is one reason why voters have been turned off for so long to politicians. if you look at what's happening with voting trends around the country, they're getting lower and lower the may oral race out in los angeles, but another, but a lot of different local races around the country where the turnout has really been pitifully small. >> interesting to see who votes for one of the candidates. so, anyway, a new report that another republican governor in another major state could be pushed aside by members of his own party. that's next. ♪ honey, is he too into this car thing? [ mumbling ] definitely the quattro. ♪ honey? huh? a5. what? [ sighs ] did you say something?
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in a re-election year next year. talked to several unnamed gop strategists who are eager for him to step aside so that another more electable republican could make a run for the chief executive spot. when pennsylvania republican told the "national journal" "never seen anything like this. party regulars are fed up not willing to help him any more." found his numbers are in the tank. 35% approve of corbett's performance. corbt doesn't appear to be going anywhere. so, gearing up for 2014, i guess, but, perry, we had a number of these republicans elected in big, in many cases, blue states in the 2010 republican wave and it looks like none have done worse than corbett. >> elected rick scott, scott kasich and all did controversial things. he is the most vulnerable person
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is very surprising because he hasn't done a lot. scott walker really tried to break the unions in wisconsin. rick scott tried to really stop the health care law. kasich is anti-union things in ohio. corbett has passed the voter i.d. law. those are two things that republicans like. he is inefebive and he's not very good and he's not chris christie who has appeal to democrats and republicans and also not a scott walker, who is able to pass and he doesn't have any allies which is surprising because he hasn't done anything to hurt himself. >> corbett got off on the wrong foot. he started out by cutting nearly $1 billion from the public school system in pennsylvania. they were like closing libraries and getting rid of classes and getting rid of art education and kids were talking about i love band, i love art and that happened. so, that was one problem.
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he cut aid to higher education. this is all like in his first year in office. and what happened in pennsylvania was that parents got together and began to revolt and they had a big, organized effort, excuse me, that has been going on almost from the beginning of his tenure and that just got him on the wrong track and this ineffective. ne nessness that you're talking about gets piled on top of that. >> i've seen this happen before. it's how mitt romney became, it was his big break in politics. massachusetts in early 2002 looked like he was heading to a certain defeat that fall and the republicans basically staged a coup and brought mitt romney in to replace her. no primary and pushed her aside and romney came in and won the election that fall and we know the rest of the story from there. could something similar play out in pennsylvania here. >> jim gibbons in nevada who was a republican governor and he actually vowed to stick it out despite the party being against him that they actually recruited
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someone to challenge him. that is the person who is now the republican who won that primary overwhelmingly. that's what happens when the establishment of donors and consultants and so on sort of pull the rug out from under an incumbent. if things are that bad for corbett and a healthy establishment in the state, that's what you're going to see happen. these sources that are now anonymous sources and tremendously good story they're going to turn into on the record sources and more public, more overt until he sees the writing on the wall or doesn't and potentially goes down to defeat in the primary. >> that's the point, these are nameless, faceless people. and so to say that there is an impending coup i think this is all premature. 2014, you know, in politics, that is a political lifetime. so much can happen. i just want to put that, we don't want to be premature here and the truth is pennsylvania when you look at it, it's state house, state senate and
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republican held. 13 republicans, 5 democrats in their congressional delegates. >> and we always know that is not the most accurate barometer of statewide opinion. but the point is taken. >> the political report said that pennsylvania could be the keystone in 2016 for the republicans. >> there's such a big difference between the gop primary in a state like pennsylvania and the general election. so, you know, no matter how much trouble he is in and how many republican leaders are unhappy with his tenure, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to lose the gop primary. >> we also have this issue hovering over all pennsylvania politics has been this idea of voter i.d. there was a plan that was supposed to go into effect before last year's election and the court delayed it and the trial is going on right now. the republican state chairman this week saying that just the state of that law in his mind reduced barack obama's marge em last year. but the law itself is being
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litigated right now. so talking about as that trial wraps up in the next few weeks. what 40 years of labor history tell us about the future of american politics. that's next. ♪ [ male announcer ] clearly this isn't one of those speed-eating contests. that's a hebrew national hot dog. a kosher hot dog. that means we're extra choosy about the cuts of beef that meet our higher kosher standards. and only a good, old-fashioned slow-motion bite is gonna capture all that kosher delight.
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♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at aflac.com. you've probably seen these images before from kent state university on may 4th, 1970. it's when the ohio national guard opened fire during a vietnam war protest and left four unarmed students dead. four days after that when 1,000 students gathered in new york city to protest the shootings in the escalation of the war. and they also met a violent response. >> the trouble began at the treasury building on wall street where an anti-war rally was being held. hundreds of men, many construction workers from nearby served into the crowd with american flags. then fighting broke out.
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>> that became known as the hard hat riot and working men letting the students know what they thought of their protest and the guys leading the hard hats that day was peter brennan. he ran new york's construction unit and got so much attention that he staged his own rally to support the war a few weeks later. 20,000 construction workers joined him. >> so, those that are ridiculing us because we take what they call and i look at it, this symbol, this flag if you read the history of our country is more than just a piece of cloth. men died for it. >> and that got the attention of the president of the united states. richard nixon was trying to build a new republican coalition. we all know about his southern strategy, the idea of capitalizing on the white southern backlash against civil
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rights and integration but another facet to it. nixon was determined to win over blue collar white voters in the north. voters who had long sided with democrats in economic ground but were uneasy with the cultural turmoil around them with hippies, war protesters and riots in major cities and with the diverse nature of the democratic party. peter brennan, nixon saw the perfect symbol of exactly the kind of voter he was trying to attract. so he made brennan to in his 1972 re-election bid campaign which nixon won 60% of union households against democrat george mcgovern. then nixon made peter brennan his labor secretary. a call was captured on the nixon tapes. >> they finally think that a pointment of a working man. we appoint blacks and they don't
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think we're for blacks. >> a template for other republicans and new york republican congressman peter king said, "more than any other individual he was responsible for bringing the blue collar labor democrats into the coalition that elected presidents nixon and reagan. the concept of reagan democrats would not have existed if not for peter breg brennan." they were the backbone of the coalition for decades but ended up to fuel the rise of modern conservative and the modern republican party. but today the face of america is changing and so is the face of labor. nothing illustrates that better than the contrast between peter brennan and the man confirmed this week as the newest secretary of labor. tom perez. his career ranged from a grassrights community groups to heading the civil rights
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division. overall unionianship at a steady decline but unionization decreased among latinos. janitors, home care workers are making the union rules younger, more diverse and more female. last year for the first time ever an african-american was chosen to lead the public employee union. labor is now waging a full-court press for the senate's comprehensive reform bill after successfully negotiating a landmark agreement on worker protections with the business community. this is a big shift from the failed immigration reform effort just six years ago when unions were divided over whether to support a compromise bill that many felt did not do enough to protect or deliver citizenship to the undocumented. 40 years ago, richard nixon looked at peter brennan and saw the future of his party. all these years later, barack obama may be looking at tom perez and seeing the same thing for his party. we'll talk about that future for labor politics for the democratic politics and party, next.
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we're back with the panel here and sort of talking about labor politics in the country. molly, we talk about the big story with labor has been the overall decline in unionization. that's a decade's long thing. more recently, we have, indiana turning into a right to work state and the union roles are shrinking there. wisconsin and the rules are shrinking. there other story where labor itself, what is left of it is becoming more diverse and we talk about the democratic party after the 2012 election and the nonwhite, younger, more female. that seems to mirror in a way what's happening with labor. >> sure. it also mirrors the changing economy, right? labor used to be very much based in the manufacturing sector and as more of the economy is in the service sector, more of labor has been in the service sector and also true that the labor movement has largely retreated into the public sector. that the majority now of union workers are government workers. and i think that has helped to turn this into a partisan
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debate, as well. where you know republican attacks on unions from scott walker to what you talked about in indiana, the republicans really see the unions as the foot soldiers of the democratic party and want to take them out. and that's been successful in places like wisconsin. union rates have declined tremendously since scott walker took his actions. >> statistically, i think it's 33% of the public sector workforce is unionized and 6% of the private sector. what molly is saying, i i've seen this happen in new jersey where one of the democrats support this pension overhaul and he stoked this resentment among private sector union workers that, hey, the public sector employees are taking your taxpayer dollars and they have it so much better than us and that was unfair and he was able to build support among democrats and union members for going after employees. >> this is the whole divide and
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conquer that has been part of our scene for decades. that is what was going on with race issues when they were pitting poor and working class blacks against whites who were in the same boat or almost the same boat. and what i think is now when you're down to 6% of the private sector workforce, i just think that it's time for labor to make a turn around and i used the term militancy in the program. there ought to be, even it's a tough road, but they ought to be organizing every person in sight given the difficulties in the employment economy right now. >> so, what's going to happen, perry? we have a new labor secretary confirmed and there is also this issue of the nlrb the national labor relations board which is the watchdog for rights of unions and workers across country and that stalemate was broken this week.
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looks like two president obama's appointees will be confirmed and a third confirmed next year and a third of a majority on that board. are either of those developments, are those going to make a difference in the next few years? >> they probably will boeing in south carolina, you'll see more cases like that. be a partisan issue with a big, strong divide. states like california where unions are strong and a number of members are going up and the percentage of numbers is going up. you also have an issue where i think you're going to see with labor being so weak, i think you're going to see more push by politicians to fight against big companies in their own way. as we've seen in d.c. recently, the big fight about walmart moving in there and you see the city council passed some kind of law saying walmart must pay this amount of wages. walmart, walmart and i think you'll see, also, politicians that have taken the role and
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taking the role of what labor leaders used to do in terms of fighting for fair wages and that sort of thing because in the fact private sector unions don't exist really. >> carrie, we had the piece before this about nixon and reagan kind of co-opting the white working class voter or big chunks of it in the '70s and '80s and the rise of the republican party being built an around that. i could see, especially in nixon's case, the idea of living wages was on the table. i could see that there was sort of cultural resentment that nixon was capitalizing on it a bit and offering economic incentives to those voters to be part of the coalition. i look at a today's republican party and i look at the big, sort of the wall street money that is behind it and i wonder, what is the message that the republican party is sending to working class voters today? is it different than the message that nixon and even reagan was sending? >> so, lots packed in that question. so, to the point about brennan organizing to support the war, i would say that organized labor
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most recently has certainly not been of that mindset. so, that's something that is just different in terms of comparing the past and present and then the terms of public sector unions. i think detroit is really a case in point of unions run amuck of union public sector unions demanding things that are unsustainable. the same in greece internationally, as well. what we need is discipline and we don't need militancy and we don't need these battle lines drawn. we need collaboration. >> you know, in detroit, i mean, we had the riots in '67, which detroit never recovered from. took the tax base with them. you have had several years of terrible management with the mayor ends up in prison. you know, to blame what happened in detroit and then you had the economic factors with globalization and technological advances and loss of jobs and all that sort of thing.
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to blame what happened in detroit on public sector unions, i just think misses the point. >> it seems what detroit, what detroit is really missing at this point is a tax base. going from $1.8 million to 700,000 people and 700,000 people, most of whom are not making very much money. >> and spread out over a city, like physically the size of philadelphia. we're going to be getting into it in the next few weeks. that story is not going away, unfortunately. what do we now know that we didn't know last week? my answers after this. with drivers from the coca-cola racing family. coca-coca family track walks give thousands of race fans the chance to get out, get moving, and have fun... all along the way. it's part of our goal to inspire more than three million people to rediscover the joy of being active this summer. see the difference all of us can make... together.
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so what do we know now that we didn't know last week? well, we know that david young, an iowa republican, who's running for tom harkin's senate seat is already thinking ahead to how he'd deal with one of the senate's most powerful democrats, new york's chuck schumer. the candidate's forum on monday, sponsored by the iowa faith and freedom coalition, young was asked about, quote, brotherhood in the senate. and as the "iowa republican" reported, young said what really
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needs to happen in washington, d.c. is a change of hearts and minds. young said that as a senator, he would invite new york senator chuck schumer to lunch so he could share the good news of jesus christ. schumer is jewish. we now know of at least one congressional candidate who isn't getting much help from her in-laws. margerie mar gola cast one of the deciding votes in favor of bill clinton's first budget. that budget was critical in erasing the budget and reducing surpluses, but the backlash against the tax hikes that were included actually cost her her seat in the house in 1994. but margolis isn't just a former congresswoman these days, she is also chelsea clinton's mother-in-law. chelsea married margolis' son, mark,ing in 2010, and now margolis is trying to reclaim her old seat. "the huffington post" reported this week that no one from the clinton family has yet donated to her primary campaign. the primary isn't until next year. and if this segment doesn't remind the clintons to kick in by then, it's a pretty safe bet
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that margolis will. we now know the movie "red 2" is out in theaters as of yesterday. and we know that its trailers seize on the nsa controversy. one scene juxtaposes bruce willis with real clips of president obama defending programs. >> i want to be very clear. no one is listening to your telephone calls. the people involved in america's national security take this work very seriously. >> idle hands do the devil's work. >> these folks keep the american people safe. >> there's a bomb headed for london and we need to stop. >> they operate like professionals. >> i've got this! >> the president has taken his share of criticism for counterterror policies, but the jury is still out on his voice-overs. i want to find out what my guests know now that they didn't know when the week began. i'll start with molly. >> well, we know that the senate has not gone nuclear. that there was a lot of threats and brinkmanship and harry reid threatening to change the senate rules and the republicans finally decided he was serious and gave him what he wanted and
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the only thing that democrats seem to have given up in this compromise is to agree to call it a compromise, so it doesn't look like the republicans just caved. democrats pretty much got everything they want, without having to hit that button and use the nuclear option. >> and we will be talking a lot more shameless plug tomorrow, we'll be talking about that tomorrow. bob? >> if you look at the in-fighting with liz cheney in wyoming and surrounding tom corbett in pennsylvania, we're learning that the gop is just as good as the democrats at forming a circular firing squad. >> be fun to watch wyoming. perry? >> bipartisan is not dead. there's a push to renew the voting rights act, section 4 of it. and the two people working together, john lewis, a civil rights legend, and james sincenberger. he was one of the impeachment managers against president clinton in the 1990s. but now he and congressman lewis working together on the voting rights act. >> i covered the voting rights reauthorization in 2006 and i remembered that there were southern republicans on one side
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and jim simpson on the other side. always one of the more baffling scenes we see in the house. >> we're going to go outside of politics and talk about tech. we know now that google is planning to do a brain chip. so "the independent," our uk friends, ian burrell said he did a piece and he visited the googleplex and this is their plan. it is initially to help people in wheelchairs. >> google is just going to make everything. google glass, google muffins. >> google paintball. >> my thanks to molly ball, perry bacon, and carrie sheffield of "the daily caller." thank you for getting up and join us again tomorrow for "up." join us tomorrow at 8:00 where i'll talk to kim gandy, the former president of the national organization for women. coming up next is melissa harris-perry. on today's "mhp," rallies all over the nation will expected to take in the aftermath of the
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george zimmerman verdict. protests from north carolina to florida to texas aren't stopping the radical right conservative legislative agenda, but they are planting the seeds for change. that's "melissa harris-perry." she's coming up next and we'll see you right here tomorrow at 8:00. thanks for getting "up" # i want to make things more secure. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t
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