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much fun with carlos danger. we want to know your online alter ego if you had one. eric shultz has some answers. >> a lot of great answers this morning. we just heard one of our fellowd this morning. we heard one of our producers say scronado. >> i wasn't going to go there. >> and somebody tweeted my price is right, what's your come on down name. john steed. we have hidden assets. so some great responses there. we don't want to make light of other people's struggles, but carlos danger is way too funny. our colleague on msnbc news and off and on the show, their new little girl ava, congratulations to them. nice to see the new babies being born. now time for "morning joe."
i have said that other texts and photos were likely to come out, and today they have. as i said in the past, these things that i did were wrong and hurtful to my wife and caused us to go through many challenges in our marriage that extended past my resignation from congress. this behavior that i did was problematic to say the least, destructive to say the most, caused many stresses and strains in my marriage, but i'm pleased and blessed that she has given me a second chance. >> good morning. it is wednesday, july 24th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. new york magazine chris smith. and in washington, nbr senior analyst coky roberts, and new
york times reporter jeremy peters. we have a lot going on this morning, joe, including the royal baby finally emerged. we're going to see him, cute little button that he is. >> that's very nice. that was a nice story. willie and i, as we always do, every time a royal baby is born -- we did this 31 years old. willie was young. we get david beckham, get a carton of cigarettes. we go over to the holiday inn on 57th and 11th. it's great, right, willie? we're over there, and beckham and willie and i probably into our third or fourth pack because it was just such a happy story, and then this anthony weiner thing, boom. willie, boom. it was like right out of the lion king, rafiki in the lion king, what was that? and what did beckham do? he threw the cigarettes. it was disgusting, willie. >> beckham was like, we've all
been there, man. we've all been there, when the weiner thing came up. here's how the new york tabloids are handling it. here's the new york post, "too hard to stop" with anthony weiner. and the new york daily news, i thought this would be a good way to start your morning. i'll not say that outloud. chris, we framed you up there. >> we'll start there this morning then. >> "the new york times" and the "new york daily news" are calling on anthony weiner to step aside in the race for mayor of new york city. weiner called a news conference late yesterday where he was forced to respond to revelations that he continued to send lewd messages to a complete stranger via social media even after he resigned from congress. gossip websites claimed that weiner used the alias carlos danger to message with a 22-year-old woman between july
and november of 2012. that's more than a year after he resigned in disgrace from congress. and according to the website, their relationship started just one week before "people" magazine profiled him and his family and ran that headline, "i feel like a different person." >> yeah, carlos danger. >> he didn't say which different person it was he felt like. >> exactly. >> while weiner denied some of what was reported yesterday, he did take responsibility and openly apologized to anyone on the receiving end of his messages. he also apologized to his wife, who was standing by his side. i was wondering if she would step out with him. she spoke publicly for the first time since the campaign began. >> anthony's made some horrible mistakes, both before he resigned from congress and after. but i do very strongly believe that that is between us and our
marriage. we discussed all of this before anthony decided he would run for mayor. so really what i want to say is i love him, i have forgiven him, i believe in him, and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> mika, i'd like to get your reaction first and then cokie roberts. i'll tell you, it was such a personally painful press conference. i think most people had their eyes fixed on her, and it was just so uncomfortable. what was your take? >> well, one of the things that i think people know when you look at marriages that have fallen apart or had problems and are in the public eye is that you never really know what's really going on, and sometimes you don't want to know. having said that, i immediately had a sympathetic reaction, even tweeted some things immediately,
and i got some amazing responses. there are so many absolutely perfect people out there, you wouldn't believe it. my first gut reaction for her, just watching her, i was fixated on it, was pain. her face was looking away. she was shifting on her feet. she was looking behind her. it was clearly the hardest thing she's ever had to do. i thought it was extraordinary when she spoke, absolutely extraordinary, because we've seen women standing by their husbands when they've professed to committing adultery or cheating on their wives, but what huma did was step up and step in with a guy who has disgraced her in a way that steps out of the realm of what anybody in mainstream political coverage sees as normal behavior. they still make fun of him more than they make fun of anybody else. they still mock him in a way that's almost torturous because of what he did, even though there are successful politicians out there who you could argue in the grand scheme of things committed worse crimes.
>> actual sex. >> for what she did, i thought it was absolutely extraordinary. i was riveted by her. having said that, then you look at the other side of this, which is the one other narrative out there, and that is that she's a brilliant woman. she's extraordinarily well liked. she's extraordinarily popular, and she's extraordinarily successful. and who does she work for? a woman who has been through this herself. a woman who have a pro as taking a bad situation, embarrassing situation, and owning it and winning in the long run, and that is someone who might be the next president of the united states, hillary clinton. >> well, cokie roberts, i know bill clinton, and though i don't know if he'd want me to say bill clinton is a friend of mine, i can say this, anthony weiner is no bill clinton, but there are obviously parallels when you look at the women there, two strong remarkable women. you've seen a lot of these. you've seen a lot of women
dragged up next to their husbands on stage, the worst of circumstances. yesterday seemed to break new grounds in the cringe worthy category. >> exactly. the cringe factor was very high. you're right, joe, normally they're standing behind their husbands with a sick smile on their faces, usually wearing pearls. in this case, it was huma who came forward and spoke. more credit to her. she also has an article in harper's bazaar, look, i love this man, i love this city, i think he's the right person for the city. but take a look at him. you're quite right. he is no bill clinton in any way, and that business about my actions were problematic, give me a break. they were well beyond problematic. they were lewd, disgusting, and in every way nuts. is this really somebody you want to have in public office? i'm scared that now my computer
in my office has got some red flags on it because of reading his tweets, which were so pornographic, and by the way, so bad. they were like some harlequin novel. i mean, it's just really mind boggling that this person should be standing for public office with all of -- knowing that these kinds of things were going to come out. >> chris smith in "the new york times" this morning calls for anthony weiner to drop out of the race effectively. they say at the end, he says he's staying in the mayoral race, to those who know his arrogance and have grown tired of the tawdry saga and what he's dragged the city through, this is not surprising. yes, his defense has been more things were going to come out. i've said that all along. i don't think most of us thought they would come out from after the initial tweets when he was in congress. the ones he's talking about yesterday were in the summer of last year, a year after he resipd from congress, after he
says he worked it out with his wife, after they had a child together. it means he was still doing this after all of that. >> right. his resignation from congress didn't say i apologize for what i've done and i'm going to keep doing it. as familiar as we are with corrupting -- >> i like the sound of it. if you could pull that one off. >> correct. and as much strange and bizarre and outright corrupt behavior as we've all seen and dealt with in politics, this is new ground in a whole bunch of ways, and i think, when we talk about huma in particular, you've got to address two things. she is very smart. i think she's one of the few people in this whole saga who's tried at every turn to demonstrate some sense of honor and tried to keep her family together. i think you also have to remember two things. he may still very well be lying to her, as he has in public
throughout this, and she's got to be traumatizeded, as much experience, so to speak, as you claim having gone through something similar with hillary. i'm not a psychiatrist, but this has got to be deeply -- beyond deeply painful. i can't imagine what it feels like for her to be out there right now. >> well, interesting that you bring that up. if anthony weiner is elected mayor -- and, obviously, the voters would decide -- he would join a long line of other politicians who survived scandal. republican scandal david vitter of liu alouisiana admitted to creating serious sins after he was found on a prostitution service. he's still senator. and governor mark sanford confessed to a year long affair with an argentinean woman. earlier this year, he won a
special election for south carolina's congressional district. president clinton impeached by the house for lying under oath to cover up his affair with monica lewinsky, acquitted by the senate and remains a leading figure in american politics and the world, if i might add. in 1989 congressman barney frank admitted to a lengthy relationship with a male hooker who ran a prostitution service out of his apartment. he would serve another two decades before retiring this year. senator chuck rob of virginia admitted to an affair with a beauty queen. it goes on. ken cal vert stopped by police. cokie roberts, i have to ask you something. >> this is a depressing litany. it really is. >> cokie, these are men who have gone on to survive and thrive.
you and joe were saying that anthony weiner is no bill clinton, and i would agree. do you want to compare? do you want to go there? >> i don't think you should. i don't know why some people get put up on a pedestal for behavior that is, if you were to compare them -- >> i put nobody up on a pedestal. i mean, none of us should ever wish for a pedestal. >> what are you talking about, his skills then, political skills? >> yes, his political skills, absolutely, and his ability to get things done. but the fact is that people do come back. this is a forgiving country. we do love redemption stories. there are scandals and scandals. this one was just such bad judgment and so tawdry. it's just got an air of just sort of you don't want to go there. it's so unpleasant and
uncomfortable. >> it is unpleasant and uncomfortable. there also, gene robinson, seems to be a generational divide. the younger people are, the more they just laugh at him. the older they are, the more they're creeped out by it. poor anthony's in the middle of it. he's trying to use new technology. he's trying to be a social media maven in his personal life, and he doesn't even know what snap chat is. like that video disappears in second. seriously? >> he really ought to get like a technology adviser who's under 25. >> he really should. but, gene, what separates out who survives in these scandals and who doesn't survive in these scandals? >> you know, in terms of the political skills, he is no bill clinton, but in terms of his obsession and compulsion, he kind of is.
bill clinton is another that comes to mind who, after having been discovered in bad behavior, continues it compulsively for years and then apologizes again and finally gets some peace. but he comes back. anthony weiner, the weird thing of many weert things, is that this behavior that we're talking about now was after the apology, after the resignation, after it was all supposed to be sort of dealt with, during the time when supposedly he was rehabilitating himself and his family and getting his life back together, and he's still sending pictures of his private parts to random women on the internet. so you have to assume -- i'm not a new york city voter, but if i were a new york city voter, i'd have to assume that, if i elect him mayor, he's going to continue to do this because, if
that doesn't stop him, then whatever he thinks is broken is not fixed. >> i my mika's point is what is the standard for forgiveness? if this is creepy, some of the other behavior we just laid out is illegal. some of it just took place in the oval office. and president clinton is reelected and forgiven, and now he's held up as a hero, and he's done great work in his life. why someone like president clinton and not anthony weiner for forgiveness? >> partly generational and whether or not you can relate to it. people over a certain age can't relate to this. they cannot relate to this. and whether or not they would ever commit adultery and have affairs like bill clinton, whatever, they understand it. they can relate to it. >> i think literally his last shred of hope is his wife. real quick? >> you got to remember both the behavior and the record. i mean, to use a bill clinton word, voters can still compartmentalize to some extent a man who's been president and had real accomplishments is
different than anthony weiner. >> according to a new nbc news/wall street journal poll, things aren't going too well on capitol hill, as americans are becoming more dissatisfied over the partisan bickering over health care and the budget. 81% of voters now have an unfavorable view of congress, and 57% would replace every law maker in congress if that's an option. >> and weiner's not there anymore. >> the poll also found president obama's approval rating has dropped to 45%. that's the lowest it's been since 2011 during the debt ceiling showdown. now a majority of americans disapprove of the job he's doing handling the economy. as for obamacare, 47% think it's a bad idea. just 34% think the president's health care plan will be good for america. where do you want to begin with these polls?
>> it's really -- boy, that last one is absolutely devastating for the president as obamacare gets rolled out. let's go to jeremy peters, though. he's on capitol hill. jeremy, washington less popular now than any time since aaron burr shot alexander hamilton. it's been a long time since congress has been seen -- i actually think these are the lowest approval ratings ever. the president also seems to be suffering through the summer doldrums. is this something that congress is beginning to understand? is this something that senators are talking about getting along and getting things done? >> you almost seem to hear about a new poll of this sort, where congress hits a new low in its approval rating every month. there's a steady stream of these things. i think part of that is -- on capitol hill, senators and congressmen are listening to that, but there are a lot of really decent people, a lot of
very smart, thoughtful, capable guys and women in congress. however, i think they've become, a lot of them, callous to this idea that the public hates them because, when you listen to them talk, they reference these polls an awful lot, and what they say is, oh, we're less popular than colonoscopies, we're less popular than cockroaches, and it's almost as if some of them seem to not take it very seriously. >> cokie roberts, there is a problem. >> there is a problem. as john mccain says, those 12% that do approve of congress don't show up at my town meetings. it's interesting you should reference aaron burr and alexander hamilton because mrs. hamilton was the first political wife to stand by her husband as he admitted to an affair, so this has been going back in our history a long way. the truth is the fact we've gotten a bipartisan agreement on immigration in the senate, on
student loans in the senate, on shield law for reporters in the senate, at least a temporary bipartisan agreement on avoiding the nuclear option in the senate is an indication that the republicans in the senate know they have a good shot, a very good shot at taking back the body next year, but they can't do it if they're just running on we stopped the democrats. they have to have some kind of accomplishments to show for it. so that's what's happening. there is movement there. the house of representatives, a completely different story. john boehner said on sunday, you should judge us on the number of laws we repeal, not the number we've passed. we've talked about it a lot of times. that's because of the way the district lines are drawn and who they're talking to. but at the senate, they really are looking at those polls and saying, wait, we're up for election next year. we could win if we don't blow it. let's not blow it.
>> so the president's approval ratings are as low as they've been since 2011. why, cokie? >> i think the economy is limping along. they're not getting better. that's why he's out this week. today he's out in illinois at knox college starting a new economic sort of push, and you saw him bring those folks into the white house on health care because that was interesting, joe. yes, the health care bill as a whole is disapproved of, but in the kaiser family foundation polls, which are the best on these, when you take out all the elements of the bill, people like each element, and you know which one they like the best? they like the one that says that insurance companies have to spend 80% of the money on health care, not on administrative costs and all that. so the president was bringing in
people who had gotten checks back from their insurance companies because they had not complied with the law. so he's going to try to highlight the aspects that people like. he's going to try to talk about the economy. he's going to have to be careful about blaming too much on congress. >> all right, cokie, thank you. stay with us. chris smith, thank you very much for being with us. coming up on "morning joe," we're going to talk to white house press secretary jay carney. also, former presidential adviser melody barnes. and later howie mandel joins us on set. up next, the top stories in the politico playbook. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning to you, mika. right on schedule, as we head into the peak three months of hurricane season, we have a tropical depression that has formed this morning way out in the atlantic. it just came off the coast of africa as a tropical wave. now this is tropical depression number 4. so we have a week to watch this moving across the atlantic before anyone has to worry about it. here's the five-day forecast from the national hurricane
center. notice it's just north of the virgin islands as a tropical storm on monday of next week. looks like we'll be watching it monday of next week. there's a good chance it could fall apart. in oklahoma city, thunderstorms right over the top of you now. a lot of lightning with those storms too. be careful there. and a lot of big storms rolling down through arkansas. great weather today for the new england area. humidity is going to be dropping off. look at buffalo. only 71 today. for everyone tonight, turn off your ac for the first time in about a month. overnight lows will be in the 50s and 60s in new england for the first time in a month. enjoy it. this is our break from the summer heat and humidity. it's coming your way, d.c. you'll feel it tomorrow morning. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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time to take a look at the morning papers as we take a live look at new york city. we'll start with the the new york times. an iraqi arm of al qaeda is taking responsibility for the attack on abu ghraib prison that freed hundreds of militants on sunday. they have not confirmed the number of prisoners freed, but officials in washington put it between 500 and 600. joe? >> for the parade of papers, the times picayune, a fire has started in an offshore drilling platform in the gulf of mexico, where just a few hours ago, 44 workers were evacuated. the crew was working on a platform 35 miles off the coast of louisiana, when the well suffered a blowout. according to officials, a flyover revealed a light sheen of gas a half mile long leaking from the platform. >> "usa today," federal
investigators looking into the cause of monday evening's southwest airlines' landing gear collapse. there's also new video taken by a passenger showing the exact moment things went wrong from inside. the ntsb says the nose gear collapsed up and into the fuselage, damaging the electronics bay. laguardia airport was back at full capacity yesterday, but the incident caused more than 500 flight delays. >> also, "usa today," fort motors announced plans to increase hires by 36%, raising the number from 800 to 3,000 salaried employees. the company says it needs additional support to meet the increased demands of high tech developments in the auto industry. >> "san francisco chronicle," apple's third quarter sales exceeded wall street's expectations and set a record for iphone sales, boosting shares 5%. ceo tim cook is promising big news ahead with new products
expected in the fall. >> mika, there's just something in the air with famous people. "the l.a. times" reports the royal baby isn't the only famous child. late night host jimmy fallon and his wife nancy welcomed a baby girl yesterday. this is the first child for the former snl star and his producer wife. they've been married since 2007. and our own peter alexander also having a baby on tuesday. >> what's that about? >> peter alexander announced it yesterday. his wife alison and their new daughter ava. peter alexander, our great white house correspondent. happy couple, beautiful baby, congratulations, peter, alison, and ava. >> nice little hat. a lot of babies going on there. what a year for jimmy fallon, you get "the tonight show" and a daughter in one year. look who's here. mike barnicle is here. >> yes. >> wow, that's enthusiastic. >> are you happy to be here, mike? >> oh, yeah. >> it would appear so.
>> wouldn't you love staring across the table at me? >> i do. >> out to politico, joining us for a look at the playbook, the executive editor jim vandehei. >> good morning. >> we're talking about republican governor of virginia bob mcdonnell under the scrutiny of virginia voters and the press. governor mcdonnell has apologized and said he will pay back $120,000 in loans he received. for people who haven't been following us closely, bring us up to speed, jim. >> he's had a relationship with a ceo who's a big donor to his campaign over the years. he got a series of loans that got up to $120,000. his wife got him a rolex that was paid for by this gentleman and payments by this guy to the family. it's been a huge problem for governor mcdonnell. you saw his numbers go way down. he used to be on the short list of someone thought to be the
next presidential candidate for republicans, and now he's been really roughed up by this scandal in virginia. there's been a lot of talk in the last few weeks he might end up stepping down because the pressure was so intense, and it was damaging republicans in virginia. this is his effort to put it behind him. he's not said much. he's been very defiant. he came out and was very contrite and apologized and said he embarrasseded himself and embarrassed the state. he did nothing illegal. he repaid the loans. >> jim, let me ask you that. he did nothing illegal. i think most people are suggesting that from the reports i read. also, larry sabato yesterday said, in virginia, democrats do this, republicans do this, everybody does this, maybe not to this level. the bigger problem is this guy's walking on the national stage, and he can't get away with what everybody else in virginia does. is that a correct reading of the virginia law? >> for the most part. what we don't know is i don't think everybody's getting $6,500 so their wife can buy them a
rolex. there's certainly relationships with both this gentleman and other donors in virginia and other states. remember states are not scrutinized for the most part. most state officials can get away with almost anything because the media in virtually every state has been decimated. so there's not real intense scrutiny. in this case, you had "the washington post" and others on the case, and mcdonnell has to deal with it. just because everyone else is doing it doesn't necessarily make it right. we don't let our kids get away with that excuse. i don't know we can allow our public officials. >> jim, don't shoot me. i'm only the piano player. i'm just telling you what other people are saying. it's very interesting, gene robinson, what jim vandehei just said, other than trying to turn something against me, when i was trying to get our viewers information. he can do that, if it he's so insecure he has to always take a zing against me. i love jim. so he said something fascinating. he said that newspapers have been so decimated -- and i would guess most americans don't understand this because they
just don't follow the media closely -- the big newspapers like "the washington post," "the new york times," you guys can investigate officials, local officials, state officials that are in your area, but throughout the rest of the states across america, newspapers have been decimated, investigative reporters are the first to go, then the old senior reporters are the next to go. so you take a state like florida where every newspaper used to have a capital bureau, 12 or 13 of them, now you may have 1 or 2 capital bureaus, and corruption rises. it does, the fewer investigative reporters there are in state capitals, the more corruption you can count on there being. >> you could just be quoting on the speech i give when i talk about the state of the media and the state of newspapers. that's what i really worry about. i don't worry that people aren't going to be investigating washington and investigating national officials. i worry about state and local
officials who will be able to get away with murder, perhaps literally, just because they aren't being scrutinized the way they should be. on governor mcdonnell, my governor, by the way, it's kind of more than these loans, and i'm curious about the rolex. i'm curious about the $15,000 shopping spree at bergdorf goodman that his wife asked this donor to take her on. i'm curious about all this other money from a guy on whose behalf he acted as governor to promote his company. that's not really kosher, even under virginia's laws, which basically say please try to do your graft in the evenings, gentlemen, where we don't have to see it. that's the way a virginia gentleman does it. even under those laws, i think this is pretty weird. >> and the virginia attorney general, ken cuccinelli, the
republican nominee for the election coming up in november, has taken more modest gifts with the same guy, has a relationship with the same guy. and terry mcauliffe, who's running against him, has tried to make an issue of it. >> because terry has no issues in his past. >> terry, put the rock down. you're living in the glass house. no, we live him. >> a look at your behind the curtain column, jim. you call it the new power triangle in washington. do i have this right? john mccain, chuck schumer, and dennis mcdonough. >> for all the talk on this show about how everything in washington is broken and nobody gets anything done, you have three people starting to cut deals and talking almost every day. chuck schumer and john mccain, who didn't like each other a year ago, now talk on the phone five to six times a day. they helped cut a deal on immigration. they helped avoid this whole showdown over the confirmation process. they're already talking about how do you avert a showdown over
the debt crisis at the end of the year? and you've got denis mcdonough in the white house, the chief of staff, who everybody, republican and democrat, is finally saying, hallelujah, we finally some somebody in the white house who cares what a house member thinks or feels. he's constantly on the phone with these two guys and others trying to craft a deal. that doesn't mean the political system is suddenly going to be fixed because three people have a conversation, but for the first time there is real activity among people who have some juice to get some things done. at least there's a glimmer of hope in an otherwise pretty twisted city. >> jeremy peters, it's a statement about where we are in our political system that we're happy thoo these three people are getting in a room and speaking to each other. as jim points out, i'm not sure there's going to be legislation coming from it. >> that's exactly right. if you look at the examples that jim just gave, immigration reform, that's stuck, and it has a difficult road of getting anywhere in the house regardless of how well the senate
negotiators handle this deal. the filibuster fight that john mccain helped resolve, that could really fall apart at any moment once congress gets back from the august recess and starts dealing with a new batch of obama nominees. while these people are talking right now, if anything ultimately comes of it, anything in the spirit of bipartisan cooperation, i think there's a huge question mark over that. >> jim vandehei with a look at the playbook, thanks so much. >> can you imagine how those three guys would do if they could get harry reid and mitch mcconnell out of the way. >> willie, it was worth it. it was worth the wait. >> coming up, the news goes from bad to worse for alex rodriguez. the report that has the yankees third baseman in danger of a lifetime ban from sports. >> wow.
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earlier this week. the report quotes an mlb executive as saying, it's not a matter of if a-rod will be suspended, but when. the league has an overwhelming amount of evidence showing multiple years of usage. also says the suspension could be for a couple of years, which effectively for a-rod at this stage -- he turns 38 later this week -- would amount to a lifetime suspension. the executive says the league has overwhelming evidence showing rodriguez's multiple years of p.e.d. usage. it may well be over. what do you think, mike? is he done? >> i think the evidence -- i'm told the evidence they have against a-rod is triple what they had against ryan braun, that the intent here with alex rodriguez is to ensure that he never plays another game of major league baseball. >> wow. >> hey, willie, does a lot of that have to do with the fact that a-rod is just not a popular guy? bonds made things so much more difficult for himself by just
being unlikable and having a hard edge on him. a-rod, obviously, never been embraceded. do you think it's strictly on the evidence? >> it's evidence, but also, mike, it's his defiance, which was also the case with ryan braun. he came out over and over and went after the testing policy, ryan braun did. he attacked major league baseball's policy on that. and a-rod's done the same, interview after interview, says he's clean and plays the game the right way. frankly, if the evidence is right, he's lying. >> and a sense of jerkiness on and off the field. there's a sense. i don't know the man, but this is something we see. >> it all adds up. joe, to your point, i think the biggest point here is his continued lying to major league baseball officials and thus to the public and to himself clearly. >> can i ask a question? why is it that roger clemens is still walking around without having to hire more lawyers? the guy went to congress. i think the conclusion of everybody was he lied to
congress. what's happening in the clemens case? >> the clemens case is on hold, i think, in texas. it's more or less gone by the boards, and he now sits there with his legacy tarnished knowing he'll never get into the hall of fame, or it's highly unlikely he will. that's where that stands. the legal address to clemens' issues, i think has pretty much disappeared. >> that's amazing. >> the yankees won last night, but they're still seven games behind the boston red sox. coming up next, mika's must read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. aw this is tragic man, investors just like you
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all right. time now for the must read opinion panges. the a live look at the white house. the focus is on new york politics this morning. all the editorials are chiming in on anthony weiner and the appearance that he made yesterday along with his wife. "the wall street journal" editorial board writes this. "lewd tweets aside, there's a line we never thought we'd write -- anthony weiner ought to drop out of new york city mayor's race simply because of what he forced his wife to endure. watching the elegant huma abedin standing next to her man on tuesday as he explained his latest sexually charged online exchanges was painful for a normal human being to watch. mr. weiner is not a normal human being. along with eliot spitzer, another narcissist attempting a new york political comeback after humiliating his wife, mr. weiner has certainly enlivened an otherwise dull political year. the two men claim to have been
chaftened and redeemed by their falls from power though it's clear in both cases they only regret having been caught." wow, cokie roberts. >> that sounds about right. it is true that watching these women in both cases, very substantial, interesting women, just be humiliated is painful. it is painful to watch. and what was so remarkable about weiner's statement last night was that he didn't seem to be in any pain at all. he sort of walks in, looks at his watch, pulls out his papers, reads, and sort of says, all right, that's it. and it was no sense -- you didn't have any sense of shame. >> cokie, i wonder if you got the same -- had the same reaction that i did, cokie. while she was delivering her statement, he was so relaxed and
so in control, apparently, the whole event, that he walked over and was just staring down at her paper while she was reading it. i don't know whether he was impatient and wanted her to hurry up and get done or make sure she read every word right. >> make sure she was reading it, make sure she wasn't going off script would be my guess. >> it was weird. >> because you can imagine that piece of paper was gone over by everybody in that campaign over and over. by the way, the guy behind them, take a look at the guy behind them. >> cubicle guy. >> he kept standing up over and over. somebody must have tweeted him that he was on camera. so he starts waving at some point. so you're in the middle of this just miserable spectacle, and there's the guy. the whole thing is too weird for words. >> dave wexler in the control
booth, can we get a clip up, the first clip you showed of huma standing alongside weiner as he read his statement. if we can get that up. if you remove their names, if you don't know who they are, there is a victim of spousal abuse. that's what this is, spousal abuse, him to her. and what he did and what he said at that press conference and the way he said it. >> why, mike? >> it's just the humiliation involved here for his wife. god knows we don't know what goes on internally in a marriage, but the utter humiliation of this woman, he's a repeat offender, dragging her into this press conference -- perhaps she went there willingly, we don't know -- is sickening to watch this. >> i'm 100% with you on this. >> does anyone believe his career is over?
>> do careers ever end? >> it may not be. >> it may not be. >> it may not be over. we don't know what the voters of new york are going to decide. >> i think her presence actual ly -- if anything, if this career goes on, it will be because of the woman you were just talking about. >> 1,000%. >> as i said earlier, this does go way back in our history. when alexander hamilton did have to admit to having an affair because he was being accused of being blackmailed because he was being accused of trading in government securities, and he said, no, he was being blackmailed because he was having an affair. his wife, elizabeth schuyler hamilton, who had made his political career to begin with, since he was a bastard from the west indies, and she was the daughter of one of the great american families, she stood by him all along, and she really did save his political career. so this has been something
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anthony's made some horrible mistakes. both before he resigned from congress and after. but i do very strongly believe that that is between us and our marriage. we discussed all of this before anthony decided he would run for mayor. so really what i want to say is i love him, i have forgiven him, i believe in him, and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." joining the table, former director of the white house domestic policy council and ceo
of melody barnes solutions, melody barnes. and political reporter for "the new york times," michael barbaro. am i saying that right? >> good enough. >> we're going to vamp a little bit here, talk anthony weiner. it's been the story of the day. we're going to be simulcasting with the "today" show as well because this story has such wide interest, we're going to go wall to wall on the msnbc and nbc network. joe, every time i watch that press conference -- and i've watched it a few times -- i've been fascinated by it on a number of levels, on a human level as a woman, but also as someone like you who covers politics, who analyzes politics, and you just have to wonder where this is going to go. you made a comment -- i don't know if you're ready to go on the air with it, but a lot of people think this was purely political strategy at play and had nothing to do with humanity, which i'm not sure i agree with. >> well, it's really hard to
judge a person and judge what's going on in his mind when he's doing it. i don't know why anthony weiner was there with his wife. i don't know what he was thinking, but certainly we all will agree that it was politically effective. i think also the last press conference, he was an absolute wreck. in this one, he seemed almost nonchalant. i think it probably would have been good for him politically to be somewhere in the middle, to not be so in control in a press conference that should have humiliated him, but there didn't seem to be any shame there. >> you say you don't know why his wife is there. i'll tell you why she was there and why she thought she was there, to try and save him. i mean, that's clearly, purely what she was trying to do. her intentions behind that and whether you want to argue she wanted to be the mayor's wife more than anything else. >> right. >> or if she truly loves him, i
think it's still a question. i think we need to hear more from her. >> she's got a child. she obviously wants to protect her child as well. >> we're going to join the "today" show. savannah guthrie is with us now. >> good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> joe, let me ask you, are you shocked or not shocked by all of this? >> shocked. i mean, come on, we now officially live in the age of bill clinton, where you can survive a scandal. i mean, you look at mark sanf d sanford, you look at david vitter, you look at president bill clinton, you look at eliot spitzer. i think eliot spitzer is going to win. in the end, to paraphrase michael dukakis, it's not about the scandal, it's about competence. and the question is can these people do their job? spitzer obviously can do his job. he's going to win. mark sanford obviously was more equipped to be congressman when you look at the issues, when you looked at the debates. he was on top of it, and the people from south carolina elected him. >> joe, you're talking about
second chances. this is anthony weiner essentially asking for a third chance. i mean, he said yesterday, i told the voters other texts and photos were likely to come out, and today they have. that defense sounds to me like, hey, voters, you were warned. >> you know, let's just say he is the chuck yeager of sex scandals. he is constantly pushing the envelope. this is like "the right stuff" for sex scandals. nobody has ever been here before. he's in new ground, new territory. but i'll tell you what i think ultimately will be his undoing, the longer we go out from this point, from this press conference, we're going to look at the time line, and we're going to realize what he was doing and what he was saying publicly while he was having the "people" magazine articles written about the new anthony weiner and also, of course, when you look at "the new york times" magazine cover where we supposedly got a new and improved anthony weiner. it now is obvious the different person was carlos danger. >> the name he went by.
let's bring mika into this. i want to ask you, mika, about huma abedin. she is obviously asking voters to make a distinction between the personal and the political, saying she has forgiven him. hasn't she herself kind of blurred that line now by putting herself into the campaign? she's in those gauzy campaign videos, and she spoke yesterday at that news conference. >> what she did yesterday was extraordinary. i've never seen anything like it before in my life. we've seen political wives standing by their men, but this was different. what she did was step in and step up for a man who has disgraced her with behavior that is not in the realm of normal acceptance. cheating has been accepted. adultery has been accepted, and there are arrogant political figures out there who have been lifted up even after disgracing their families with adultery. this is different. online sexting and these conversations that anthony weiner allegedly had have put her in an incredibly awkward position, and she stepped up, faced the cameras.
it was hard to watch. if he succeeds, savannah, it will be because she lifted him out of the political sewer and put him up, dusted him off, put him up on the shelf next to a bunch of arrogant, egotistical politicians who somehow have the lack of self awareness to really take a look at what they've done, oversexed politicians who think they can do anything they want. >> joe and mika, i've got about 20 seconds left. i want to do the lightning round with you. yes or no answers or something approximating it. number one, do you expect more revelations of this type? >> i don't know. i would expect probably yes. yeah, i think he can't help himself. >> do you think there's any chance, joe, that he drops out of this race? >> absolutely none. absolutely none. >> mika, do you think there's any chance he can win? >> i do. i think his wife is the key here, and his wife has learned from the master, hillary clinton, her boss. >> joe scarborough, mika
brzezinski, always good to get the two of you together and get your opinion. >> thank you so much, savannah. >> michael, let's talk about this. mika, joe, and savannah all just discussed the timeline a little bit here. his defense out of anthony weiner is, listen, i've said all along there was going to be more. i prepared you for this. it was coming. i think, when he said that, we didn't realize he was talking about tweets that come after the time period of the initial offense, which is to say while he was serving in congress. what he said yesterday was last summer, sometime 2012, is when this latest revelation took place, which would put it after the resignation from congress, after he reconciled with his wife, after he had a baby, that he was doing it again, but to that -- and now he can say to anything that comes out, i told you this was coming. >> there's a real question of candor here. he wove a public narrative of a recovered addict, who most people believed had stopped this behavior when he resigned.
that's a logical conclusion to draw, both from what he said and what he didn't say. so what's new about what we learned yesterday is that, even after he resigned, even after he was home as a new father preparing his family, he was, in fact, still going online, still having conversations with young political fans of his that turned very raunchy very fast. >> do you think this is damaging enough to him? new york city, if you look at the polls, apparently gave him a pass, gave him a second chance. can he get through this third chance, perhaps a fourth and fifth chance? >> we're seeing a lot of polling that's very early on in this campaign. it's a lot about name recognition. i think this is a very new and serious thing for the voters in new york city to absorb. i'm not a prognosticator. we've been so wrong on so many counts in new york city politics. none of us thought anthony weiner was going to run. none of us thought eliot spitzer was going to run. it's really hard to say. there is something quite new and, i'm sure for anthony
weiner's campaign, alarming in these revelations yesterday. >> mika, what we need are solutions. we need somebody that has solutions. do you have anybody that comes to mind that you could ask questions about? >> i happen to. >> yes, who would that be? >> melody barnes solutions. i still think the big story here is huma. i do. i think it's fascinating. i've covered anthony weiner. you've covered anthony weiner. we know him. we know everything. that's an old story in a lot of ways. a story we've seen a million times before. this is different. i want to, first of all, know what your gut reaction was watching her stand there and listen to him talk. because i saw a couple of things going on beyond wincing in pain for her. i saw a woman who was literally listening to his every word. at some point, you could almost see her mouthing them for him. she was literally right there in his head, and at times trying to figure out if he needed to wrap it.
like she was involved and trying to help him on a number of levels, which leads you to wonder what her motivations are and to question it legitimately. >> well, i think this is a woman what has been in the political environment -- >> she knows the game. >> -- for many, many years, who is also married to this man. i don't know what happens in their marriage. i can't judge what happens in their marriage. she was right, that's between them, but i can imagine the kinds of conversations that they have had that are both personal and professional. so she was that engaged and that involved is probably not surprising, also given her expertise. but now, we have to divorce what's between them, as she says, and for the voters of new york, their questions of judgment and questions of veracity, and she was trying to give him a boost on that, but the question for the voters of new york is can he do this job? i was a history major. i'm a lawyer. i'm not a psychologist. there seems to be a level of
compulsion that goes with this that has to drive people to wonder whether or not they want to get on this train and go for this ride as this man as being the mayor. >> the question is do you want to get on that train with this man being one of the most powerful mayors in the world? what impact will that have on his compulsions and his instincts to do whatever he does with these young fans online? you know, mika, let's talk -- you talked about huma and what she's done. let's break it down for a second and stop looking at this as political analysts and start looking at this as parents. the things that parents will do to protect their children knows no bounds. now, i know a lot of people out there watching will say, oh, gee, she just -- she wants to be the mayor's wife. no, she probably would much rather be left alone at this point, but when the father of your child is humiliated like this, humiliates himself like
this, you've got one of two choices. let him go out, twist in the wind, and be a yojoke and have your child grow up with a broken, shattered father figure, or go in there and look the way she looked yesterday and grit your teeth and get him through this so he can survive with a shred of dignity, not to be mayor of new york -- maybe that happens. but this is the one thing that i think a lot of people -- you're talking about how perfect everybody is on twitter. isn't it amazing all the pharesees we have on twitter who have never committed any sin, who are willing to throw the first stone at any opportunity. you forget that this is the mother of a child she has to protect and a family unit she has to protect. no matter what she does down the road, whether she stays with him or not, she has to get the father out of this scandal in one piece as a strong man so he can be the father the rest of
the child's life, and we forget this sometimes. >> i think that's an incredibly important point, and i think of hillary clinton walking with chelsea, holding hands between her and bill to, i believe, marine one to leave after the news about monica lewinsky had come out. i mean, you can say what anthony weiner did was worse or you can -- you can't compare it, in my opinion, disgracing the office of the presidency with an intern. and yet hillary clinton found a way to bridge that and move on. i would assume that the child had everything to do with that, no matter what age, and i think you're absolutely right, joe. there is a family here that is trying to pull itself together, trying against all odds, and i felt i saw that in her face and in her body language and in everything that she said. >> she obviously didn't want to be there, but there's so many
people who will look -- and it's our instinct and a lot of people's instinct, that the most important thing is the political campaign, the political victory. no. for the mother, for most mothers, the most important thing on the face of the earth are their children or their child. they'll do anything to protect that child even if it's humiliating themselves, and that's exactly what she did yesterday. you know, i don't think she cares as much that anthony weiner wins this race as much as she does that he comes out of it with a shred of dignity left so he can be a father to her child down the road. >> it's an interesting proposition, but there are many political spouses who don't show up at these press conferences, whether it's about protecting a child. silda wald spencer is nowhere to be found in new york politics,
and she has three daughters. there was clearly an argument made that huma being there was going to be crucial to the way this unfolded, how people saw him, saw it, saw their marriage. what i found interesting about this press conference is she wanted to reclaim a private sphere for their marriage. this is my marriage, she said, but that's a profoundly tricky thing when you're standing there publicly discussing your private pain and talking about how difficult it was to stay in the marriage, how it wasn't an easy choice, how she made a decision that it was worth staying. so they're now trying to have it a bit both ways. this is our marriage, but it's the public marriage that's now very much at the center of his campaign. >> that's fair enough. >> mika, that train is going down the track. it's not like you can just jump off of it right now. if he got out of the race again, he would be a laughing stock for
the rest of his life. he may still be. but i'm just saying, as a spouse, you've got to make a decision not only for the political career -- that's probably the last -- the least important thing. she's in an absolutely horrific opinion. still ahead this hour, britain's shadow chancellor of the exchequer. ed balls. and we may as well talk about the royal baby. willie wants to see the royal baby. up next live from the white house, press secretary jay carney. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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21 past the hour. according to a new nbc news/wall street journal poll, things are not going too well on capitol hill. >> i'm shocked, shocked. >> i know. >> it's fun to have gene in person. he's very animated. as americans are becoming, if you can believe it, gene, even more dissatisfied with washington's partisan bickering over health care, immigration, and the budget, the poll finds 83% of voters now have an unfavorable view of the 113th congress, and 57% say they would replace every law maker in congress if that was an option. the poll also found president obama's approval rating has dropped to 45%. that's the lowest it has been since august of 2011 during the debt ceiling showdown. and now a majority of americans disapprove of the job he's doing
handling the economy. as for obamacare, 47% think it's a bad idea. just 34% think the president's health care plan will be good for america. god, i mean, this late in the game. >> some bad stuff, mika. some bad stuff. i mean, a pox on both their houses, according to this latest poll. you've got congress at its lowest approval ratings, as we said, since aaron burr fired the shot in new jersey, and the president at his lowest since 2011. >> let's ask someone from the white house about this. joining us now, white house press secretary jay carney. jay, good morning. good to have you back on the show. >> thanks, mika. it's great to be here. >> is it? >> absolutely. >> are you sure? >> it's a great morning, yes, it is. >> it is a great morning. he's a positive guy. i know the president is making a speech today on jobs and the economy. what will be different about this speech? what will be groundbreaking? what could help change the course of the numbers we've been talking about here? >> first of all, it's certainly
not about poll numbers, except for when it comes to americans' frustration with what's happening in washington. if you look at where the president is versus where the republicans in congress are, i think you have a clear understanding of where that frustration is focused, one. two, the president will go back to galsburg, illinois, today to deliver a speech on where we need to move the economy, where we need to focus in washington. it shouldn't be on the phony scandals that have consumed so much attention here all to come to naught. it should be focused on what we can do to strengthen and grow the middle class because, when the middle class is thriving, when the middle class is growing, our economy is at its best. that's what we need to do as we move forward in the 21st century. there are things that we can do together as a country, that we can do together as republicans and democrats, that can continue to grow our economy, continue to create jobs, and make the middle
class more secure. unfortunately, washington has been focused on other things, and the president wants to refocus everyone's attention on what matters. >> jay, i'll ask you about the president's pivot to the economy again. he's done that quite a few times. first, you brought up phony scandals. seriously, that's like throwing red meat in the middle of dogs. i've got to ask you a question. what phony scandals? do you think the irs scandal is a phony scandal? >> i think what we've seen is inappropriate activity that the president came out and forcefully said he would not tolerate and that he installed somebody at the irs to take care of. what we have seen from republicans is cherry-picked information based on investigations that turns out to be only one side of the story. again and again and again, if you look up on capitol hill, when chairman issa and others have selectively released information and refused to release the full facts, the full facts show that the story is quite different. i think you can -- it's demonstrated by the way the press has gotten extremely excited about the potential for a scandal and basically dropped
it when the facts have come out. the president will not tolerate poor performance or inappropriate activity at any agency, and when he finds out about it, he acts on it. but he's focused on the economy, joe. he's not focused on pretend scandals that republicans on capitol hill want to turn into partisan skirmishes. >> jay, i want to get to the economy because obviously that's the most important thing. we have to clean up this one thing, though. you say that there's cherry-picked information. let's just take the irs scandal. the fact is it's far different than what you said. at the beginning, you said it was just the cincinnati office, and then we find out more people in washington are involved, and then this past week we found out, despite what any of us think of the investigations on capitol hill -- and i see you smiling. i don't know that there's anything to smile about -- that it wasn't a couple of crazy people in cincinnati, that this information actually went up to the chief counsel of the irs, which was one of two political
appointees by the president of the united states and the entire irs. so it doesn't sound phony to me, jay. >> i greatly appreciate that is the line pushed by republicans who want washington to be focused on scandals instead of the economy. >> no, no, no, no, jay, that doesn't work. is that the truth or not, jay? is that the truth or not? you said, jay, this was limited to cincinnati. that wasn't true. i want to talk about the economy, but talk to me -- >> give me a chance, joe. >> don't give me talking points because that doesn't work on this show. and you've been here long enough to know it doesn't work on this show. so answer my question, and then let's talk about the economy. >> when you get to the question, i'll answer it. >> i gave you the question, and you decided to fight me, jay. stop your games with me. we've known each other for too long. i'm not playing your games. i'm not somebody you talk down to from your podium. >> joe. >> answer my question, jay. >> joe, please, let me answer. there is no question that activity that occurred at the irs was inappropriate and the president made clear that he
wanted to take care of it, and he appointed somebody who's doing that. and what we said all along was based on the ig's report, which said that the activity was in cincinnati. and the ig report and every bit of evidence that has come out since then makes clear that no one at the white house was involved at all or even knew about what was happening, and that has not changed, joe. the republicans immediately said it was about something much bigger than it turned out to be because they wanted it to be a scandal. joe, look, i accept that we need to get to the bottom of what happened at the irs and we need to make sure that our government is performing in a way that americans can be proud of, but we also need to focus on the economy, and what's frustrating, i think, for so many americans is that we're not here in washington focused on the things that matter most. that's how do we make the middle class more secure? >> i agree with you, jobs matter most to americans. let's talk about jobs right now. the president is talking about the economy today. how is this speech going to be different from the other speeches he's given in the past? >> well, it will be thematically
consistent because what we'll make clear is the same problem the middle class is facing in 2005, even before the great recession where the middle class was being squeezed and seeing its income stag nate, while the top 1% saw its incomes increase dramatically, remains a problem, even as we emerge from the worst recession since the great depression. we need to focus our attention on ways that we can invest in education, in rebuilding our infrastructure, in scientific research and innovation, even as we make smart choices about our spending so we can continue to reduce our deficit. what we can't do is make indiscriminate cuts, the way the republicans in the house have been calling for, in the very areas of our economy that investment will allow the economy to grow even bigger and stronger and allow the middle class to grow. joe, what you've seen -- and i think you guys have talked about this -- is that the deficit has
been coming down at the fastest pace ins is the end of world war ii, since demobilization, and that's because the agreements the president reached with congress and the policies he's put in place that have allowed for sustained economic growth and job creation. we've seen 7.2 million jobs created in the last 40 months. we need to do more, and the president wants to talk about how we can do more and which areas of the economy we need to focus on to make that happen. we've got a bunch of economic discussions and debates to have here in washington in the coming months, as you know, over the budget, and we want to make sure that everyone here in washington and around the country is focused on the long view here about growing the economy as we have these conversations. >> let's bring in willie geist. willie? >> jay, it's willie geist. good to see you this morning. >> sure. >> as you just saw in that nbc/wall street journal poll, and you know as well, a lot of people have tuned out washington and now very skeptical if not totally eliminating the
possibility that it's a town where things get done. if you read "the new york times" writeup about the president's speech today, it says, after explaining what's going to be in the speech, "white house aides said they did not anticipate the speeches leading to any breakthrough with republicans on the looming fiscal fight," which i thought was the hope of the whole thing. what hope can you give to a very, very cynical american public right now that this time will be different, that there will be politics that work so these policies can be implemented? >> willie, i think that's an excellent question, and the reason why the president believes now is the best time to talk about the bigger issues and obstacles that we face in our economy is because we cannot afford to engage in the same kind of skirmishing and fighting that causes gridlock and does harm to our economy. you remember back in the summer of 2011 when there was the fight over raising the debt ceiling. even though leaders in the republican party insisted they didn't want the economy -- the country to default for the first
time in its history, some members of the house said they embraced that idea. the mere flirtation with default, the mere flirtation with the idea that, for the first time in our history, america would not pay its bills, caused great economic harm and hurt the middle class. we can't do that again. we've proven, both the president and republicans in congress, that we can reach agreements that help the economy grow without leaving the middle class holding the bag. we need to do that again so that we can move forward, and the president will focus on the ways we can do that. >> all right, jay carney, buddy, thank you for being here. i obviously still haven't gotten over you baiting me into saying the "f" word on national television. >> i didn't mean to bait you, joe. i just want to -- i know the president wants us to focus on the stuff that the american people really care about, and that's what he's going to try to do today. >> i was talking about way back when you got me to say the "f" word on national television. >> maybe that explains, yeah. i continue to be amazed by that
moment. you bounced back, joe. you bounced back. >> all right. you know, i somehow get by. i don't know how. jay, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. of course, all of us are hoping that more americans get back to work soon. we appreciate it. mika, what's your take? >> he's a very nice guy. >> he's a feisty guy. he's feisty. >> he's a nice guy. i'm sorry. >> is that all you got for me? he's a nice guy. >> yeah, i do. that's all i got. >> what's your take? >> i thought i was going to let melody barnes throw him a softball or two after the way you grilled him, but we ran out of time. what do you make of where we -- i know, obviously, you worked in the white house, and you've seen it from the inside looking out, but this economy is trstrugglin. people who are back at work are way down the totem pole as opposed to where they were. there are so many people working part time or not working at all, and they've given up. we're not where we should be.
>> we're seeing shoots of green, and people are tired of seeing shoots of green. what i would like to ask jay about is today was his breakdown of education, jobs, health care, retirement security, and what the policies are, and given the question willie asked, how the president is envisioning getting those things done. i know, for example, in the context of education, couldn't move a big elementary and secondary education bill, so went to this idea of waivers, using executive action, to try and move the policy forward. is that the path the white house is envisioning taking right now? >> my question was what about executive action? what can the president do on his own? given the fact there's not going to be a green light in congress. >> so, willie, i guess for americans out there, they've tuned washington out, and that's really a discouraging thing for a white house that's trying to get a jobs message out there, but the real question today is going to be, i think from a
cynical press, is going to be how does this pivot the jobs, which we've all seen since the president first entered office on january 20th, of 2009, how is this pivot to jobs going to be different than every other pivot to jobs he's done over the last five years? >> and jay carney answered your question just like that. he said, well, we're going to be consistent with our message, which is to say there's not a whole lot different right now. he's just hoping to refocus the american public's attention on it. what i meant by my question to jay, and i'm not quite sure he answered it, we have ideas. we have a zeset of ideas on bot sides, but there seems to be no political will to get them done. the white house blames republicans, republicans blame the white house, and i understand why they do that. but if you're sitting out in the country wondering why you don't have a job and why washington doesn't do anything, it's extraordinarily frustrating to hear bickering when there are ideas, but they won't even get together in a room to talk about
them. >> mike barnicle, you can pivot back to jobs as a political device. you can give this speech, but there has to be something more than just a, hey, i'm going to go out, middle america. i'm going to deliver a speech. i'm going to start talking about jobs again. there have to be policies attached to that speech that are significant enough, that are both enough, that will not only grab the public's attention, but will also grab investors' attention and say, hey, you know what, maybe i can go back and start investing again in businesses on main street america. >> you've got a couple of different things going on here that i think jay alluded to and you in your questions to jay, willie's questions to jay, got to it. the administration said, in this speech today, it's going to be how can we do more to improve the economy. they really can't do a whole lot more, despite the president's great skills of communication. i don't think anything he says
today is going to get the house republicans to say, oh, that's what he meant. oh, okay, fine, let's do that. that's not going to happen. the other aspect of it, joe, is what you just mentioned. there's a whole group in this country, and i peg them between 45 and 50 years of age, who lost their jobs three, four, five years ago, and the jobs that they had are not coming back to them. they've got to seek employment in other areas or downsize their employment in terms of pay scales. that's what's got to be addressed. 7.6 unemployment in this country. that's a lot of people. a lot of people who have no hope for jobs, who live week to week now. >> a lot of people, but, mika, here's the thing. i understand that there are republicans running the house of representatives. i understand they're small government conservatives. i understand they're not going to agree with everything the president wants, and they're not going to agree with a lot of what the president wants, but this is the political battlefield the president finds
himself on. what does that require? that requires that you make these republicans an offer they can't refuse. now, there will be people out there that will say, oh, come on, they're just going to say no to everything. no, they're not going to just say no to everything, but they are going to say no to throwing money at government programs. they are going to say no to raising taxes. they're going to have to figure out how to meet in the middle. bill clinton figured out how to do that with a congress that was just as hostile towards bill clinton, which i was a member of, as the congress that the president now finds himself balancing. we balanced the budget. it was ugly. the government shut down. there was a lot of acrimony for years. there was a lot of screaming at each other. we passed welfare reform. the president and a lot of his allies said that we were going to throw poor children out into the streets. i'm just saying, the media sits back and says, well, there's just nothing the president can do. i'm not so sure.
>> having been a member of the hostile congress or been a part of it, back when bill clinton was in office, and you paralleling just how hostile they are compared to today, which i would actually argue, but put that aside, accepting that, what's the offer? what is the offer that would get these guys to break and stop saying no? i just can't see what it is. >> even when he's put out ideas that were republican ideas, they've rejected their own ideas. so what is that? what is going on here? >> the question is asked. let me answer the question. figure out a way to give these people something that they can't say no to, that their people -- like corporate tax rates. figuring out a way to give money back to the united states without putting a high tax on it. i don't know. there are a variety of leverage points that republican congressmen can't say no to, and congresswomen can't say no to. you've got to figure out what those are. there are people inside the obama administration that were
very close to the president the first term that said that the way the president approaches things is he says this is the position. it is my position. i am right. i now have to convince everybody to come over here. well, sometimes you have to move to the mountain rather than expecting the mountain to move to you. what i'm talking about is so elementary, and yet there will be leftists out there on twitter and in the blogosphere that will accuse me of being a right wing hack and not knowing what -- no, i know what i'm talking about. this is the way washington works. and the president has to decide whether he's going to sit back and point over the hill the next three years or whether he's going to figure out a way to make this system work because i've got bad news for him and bad news for the white house. right now nate silver of espn fame, nate silver is saying republicans have a good shot of picking up the united states senate. i don't think things are going
to get easier for the president over the next three years. right now we're still going around in circles. i'm not blaming the president. it takes two to tango. two are tangoing. right now we have a decision to make, the president has a decision to make, are we going to keep spinning our wheels for the next three years like we have the past five years? are we going to get some business done? >> i'd like them to stop tangoing and do what it takes, even if it means grab them by the collar. still ahead, we'll bring in nbc news political director chuck todd into the conversation. "morning joe" will be right back.
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ex-chequer ed balls. i went to visit you in london, and my daughters were fascinated by you and your story telling ability. >> we sat on the terrace of the house of commons and looked out at the thames. it was great to have you. >> thank you so much for having us. i'm looking at some comments you made quoted in "the guardian," and you talk about the british recovery and how it's benefitting basically the people at the top and not the people who are really struggling. that sounds so much like what is happening here. is there a positive view from your perspective in terms of the united states economy? >> well, i this i we're expecting to find out tomorrow that at last the british economy started growing again, which is really welcome after three years where our economy has really flat lined. where you said earlier, four times less growth than america. the problem we all face on both sides of the lan taatlantic is you make sure that growth
actually translates into rising living standards so that people feel they're benefitting from the recovery? in britain, the recovery, we don't see any sign of it. we're trying to find make growt benefit most working people. i'm going to be chairing with larry summers a commission for the centers for progress to look across the industrialized world and say, what do we do to get growth that helps more pea, rather than feeling all the time that people at the top are getting better off and everybody else staying the same? or even in britain, getting worse off? >> it's great to see you again. the last time, i was freezing to death in april in norwitch. go ahead. >> it's a painful memory, joe, because you came all the way over to norwitch to see liverpool completely thrashed
norwitch city. out of the park as you'd say in baseball. >> yeah, exactly. alex suarez actually didn't bite anybody and that was a pretty good day. explain something, if you will, for us. united states has higher growth obviously than great britain. great britain's flat lined. we have a really difficult job talking about converting that growth into higher living standards and especially jobs. great britain is creating more jobs than america. germany is creating more jobs than america. australia. we could go down the list. for some reason, we're not able to do that. what's happening in great britain versus america that your jobs picture actually is better than ours? >> well, it's turned upside down from how it's been 10, 20, 30 years ago. because normally people said in america unemployment was lower. but you had tougher times on wages for people in recessions. in britain, it's been the other
way around. we've actually had more job creation the last couple of years. quite a lot of it is part time. people feeling like they'd like to work more. our unemployment is high. they're about the say in america, just slightly lower. what's happened in britain is we've been rather american-like in that we've actually seen the real wages of people falling year on year. we're likely to see in this parliament the first time over five years people will be worse off at the end than the beginning of a government. that's very unusual. i think in both countries -- you've had more growth, but for both of us, it's been tough in terms of unemployment. very tough in terms of living standards. what do we do to get more jobs but also more good jobs, more skills, more entrepreneurship opportunities for lower and middle class people. what do we do to make sure education is shared more broadly. i think people do look at the moment and say if you are at the top you're doing a lot better.
everybody else feels like they're really struggling. >> melody. >> a question, i want to pick up on something you were talking about in terms of youth unemployment. i know this is an area you focus on. in the united states, it's about 16%. that has long-term implications for the entire country. i'm wondering where you think the greatest focus should be to address that problem around education, around workforce training. what are the kinds of things that you would prescribe? >> well, there's some parts of the eurozone like spain where it's really, really terrible. for our countries, the youth unemployment position is very bad. we've got the highest long-term level for 20 years or more. i think what you've got to do is get people into work. you need the economy to grow and create jobs. you've got to put young people in front. because if they have one, two
years of unemployment when they're very young, this can scar then and make their chances of doing well in life really setback for 20, 30 years. in britain, which is in some ways is learning from america, is we would have a tax, on the bonuses that banks pay out, raise 2 billion pounds. we would say to every young person who's unemployed in a year, we're going to get you a job. but you have to take it. a compulsory job's guaranteed. but it's compulsory because you can't say no and keep your benefit, your unemployment support. if you let long-term unemployment become entrenched, really hard to get out. >> good to see you. >> go norwitch. >> go the royal baby as well, joe. >> right, we forgot to talk about the baby. thank you. still ahead this morning, actor and comedian howie mandel will
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good morning. it's 8 clock on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. as you take a line look at new york city. in washington, cokie roberts, and "new york times" reporter, jeremy peters. "the new york times" and the "new york daily news" are calling on anthony weiner to step aside in the race for mayor of new york city. weiner called a news conference late yesterday where he was forced to respond to revelations that he continued to send lewd messages to a complete stranger via social media.
even after he resigned from congress. gossip websites claimed that weiner used the alias carlos danger. to message with a 22-year-old woman between july and november of 2012. that's more than a year after he resigned in disgrace from congress. according to the websites, their relationship started just one week before "people" magazine profiled him and his family and ran that headline. i feel like a different person. >> carlos danger. >> he didn't say which different person he felt like. >> exactly. >> while weiner denied some of what was reported yesterday, he did take responsibility and openly apologize to anyone on the receiving end of his messages. he also apologized to his wife, who was standing by his side. i was wondering if she would step out with him. she spoke publicly for the first
time since the campaign began. >> anthony's made some horrible missteaks. both before he resigned from congress and after. but i do very strongly believe that that is between us and our marriage. we discussed all of this before anthony decided he would run for mayor. so really what i want to say is i love him. i have forgiven him. i believe in him. and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> mika, i'd like to get your reaction first and then cokie roberts. i tell you, it was such a personally painful press conference. i think most people had their eyes fixed on her. and it was just so uncomfortable. what was your take? >> well, one of the things i think people know when you look
at marriages that have fallen apart or had problems, in the public eye, since you never really know what's really going on, and sometimes you don't want to know. having said that, i immediately had a sympathetic reaction. even tweeted some things immediately. and i got some amazing responses. there are so many absolutely perfect people out there, you wouldn't believe it. my first gut reaction, i was x fixated on it, was pain. her face was looking away. she was shifting on her feet. looking behind her. clearly the hardest thing. i thought it was extraordinary when she spoke. absolutely extraordinary. because we've seen women standing by their husbands while they profess to committing adultery or cheating on their wives. but what huma did was step up and step in for a guy who has disgraced her in a way that steps out of the realm of what anybody in mainstream political coverage sees as normal behavior.
they still make fun of him more than they make fun of anybody else. they still mock him in a way that's almost torturous because of what he did. even though there are successful politicians out there who you could argue in the grand scheme of things committed worst crimes. and so it's -- for what she did, i thought it was absolutely extraordinary. i was liriveted by her. then you look at the other side, she's a brilliant woman, she's extraordinarily well liked. she's successful. who does she work for? a woman who has been through this before. a woman who is a pro at taking a bad situation, embarrassing situation, and owning it and winning in the long run. and that is someone who might be the next president of the united states, hillary clinton. >> well, cokie roberts, i know bill clinton, and though i don't know if he'd want me to say bill
clinton is a friend of mine, i can say this, anthony weiner is no bill clinton. but there are obviously parallels when you look at the women there. two strong remarkable women. but you've seen a lot of these. you've seen a lot of women dragged up next to their husbands on stage in the worst of circumstances. yesterday, seemed to break new grounds in the cringe worthy category. >> exactly. the cringe factor was very high. look, you're right, joe, normally they're standing behind their husbands with a fixed smile on their faces, usually wears pearls. in this case, it was huma who cape forward and spoke and more credit to her. and she -- she also has an article in "harper's bazaar" explaining, look, i love this man, i love this city, i think he's the right person for the city. but take a look at him. i mean, you're quite right, he is no bill clinton. in any way it and that business
about my actions were problem problemat problematic, give me a break. they were well beyond problematic. they were lewd, disgusting and in every way nuts. and is really this somebody you want to have in public office? i'm scared that now my computer in my office has got some, you know, red flags on it because of reading his tweets which were so pornographic and, by the way, so bad. i mean, like some harlequin novel. it's just really mind-boggling that this person should be standing for public office with all -- knowing that these kinds of things were going to out. >> chris smith in "new york times" this morning calls for weiner to drop out of the race. he says he's staying in the may oral race. he has dragged the city into, this is not surprising. i think one of the surprise things that cape out yesterday was yes, his defense has been
more things were going to come out. i don't think most of us thought that meant they would company out from a time after the initial tweets when he was in congress. the ones he was talking about were in the summer of last year. after he says he worked it out with his wife, after they had a child together. it means he was still doing this after all that. >> right. but we're all -- as familiar as we are -- >> i like the sound of that. and as strange and bizarre as we've all seen and dealt with in politics, this is new ground in a whole bunch of ways. i think when we talk about huma in particular, you have to address two things. she is very smart.
i think she is one of the few people in this whole saga who's tried at every turn to demonstrate some sense of honor and tried to keep her family together. i think, you know, you also have to remember two things. he may still very well be lying to her, you know, as he has in public throughout this. and she's got to be traumatized. as much experience, so to speak, as you can claim having gone through something similar with hillary. i mean, i'm not a psychiatrist but this has got to be deeply -- beyond deeply painful, you know, i can't imagine what it feels like for her to be out there right now. >> well, interesting that you bring that up. if anthony weiner is elected mayor and obviously the voters will decide, he would join a long line of other politicians who survived scandal. republican senator david vitter of louisiana admitted to committing serious sins after he
was identified as a client a prostitution service. he is still serving as senator. in 2009, there was governor sanford who confessed to a year long affair with an argentinean one. earlier this year, he won a special election for south carolina's first congressional district. president bill clinton, impeached by the house for lying under oath to cover up his affair with monica lewinsky -- turned 40 yesterday -- remains a leading figure in american politics. in 1989, congressman barney frank admitted to a lengthy relationship with a male hooker who ran a prostitution service out of frank's apartment. he serveded two decades in congress. congressman chuck robb of virginia admitted to a nude encounter with a beauty queen. it goes on. ken calvert of california -- it goes on. cokie roberts, i have to ask you
something -- >> this is a depressing litany. >> it is. >> it really is. >> and cokie, these are men who have gone on to -- >> these are men. >> -- survive and thrive. and you and joe were saying that weiner is no bill clinton and i would agree. but do you want to compare? i don't think you should. i really -- i don't know why some people get put up on a pedestal for behavior that if you were going to compare them -- >> no, i put nobody up on a pedestal. none of us should ever wish for a pedestal. >> what are you talking about the skills then, political skills? >> yes, political skills, absolutely, and his ability to get things done. but the fact is that people do come back. this is a forgiving country. we do kind of love redemption stories. but there are scandals and
scandals. and this one just shows such bad judgment. and, as i say, it's so traudry. it's just got an air of just sort of you don't want to go there. it's so unpleasant and uncomfortable. >> yeah, well, it is unpleasant and uncomfortable. there also, gene robinson, seems to be a generational divide here too. the younger people are, the more they laugh at him. the older they are, the more they're creeped out. poor anthony's in the middle of it. he's trying to use new technology. he's trying to be a social media maven in his personal life and he doesn't even know what snap chat is. that video disappears in seconds. seriously? >> really, he ought to get like a technology adviser -- >> really should. yeah, really should. gene what separates out who
survives in these scandals? >> well, you know, in terms of political skills, he is no bill clinton. in terms of his obsession and compulsion, he kind of is. bill clinton is the other one who comes to mind who after having been discover ted in bad behavior, continues it for years. and then, you know, apologizes again. finally gets impeached. but he comes back, you know. anthony weiner, the weird thing, of many weird things, is that this behavior that we're talking about now was after the apology, after the resignation, after it was all supposed to be dealt with, during the time when supposedly he was rehabilitating himself and his family and getting his life back together. and he still's sending, you know, pictures of his private
parts to random people on the -- random women on the internet. so you have to assume, if i'm not a new york city voter, but if i were a new york city voter, i'd have to assume that if i elect him mayor, he's going to continue to do this. because if that doesn't stop him, then this is when he thinks it's broken is not fixed. >> mika's point is what the standard for forgiveness? if this is creepy, some of the other behavior was illegal. and president clinton's elected and forgiven and now held u as a hero. why someone like president clinton and not anthony weiner? >> partly generational and whether or not you can relate to it. people over a certain age can't relate to this. whether or not they would ever commit adultery and have affairs like bill clinton, whatever, they understand it. they can relate to it. >> i think literally his last
shred of hope, his wife. real quick. >> right, and you got to remember, both the behavior and the record. i mean, to use a bill clinton word, voters can still compartmentalize to some extent. a man who has been president and had real accomplishments is different from anthony weiner. >> still head, howie mandel will be here in the studio. up next, chuck todd breaks down the brand-new nbc/"wall street journal" poll. first, here's the very talented bill karins who is going to sing the forecast for howie. >> last you would ever see of me. good morning, everyone. tropical depression number 4 way out in the atlantic. peak hurricane season is upon us. this is the first one we need to watch coming off the coast africa. the path of it is generally to the west. as we go throughout the next five to seven days.
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it was just too tight. i was going to keel over. i started getting light headed. i could not keep up with the uniform of cable television. >> light-headedness. >> too tight. all right. joining the set, co-anchor of "street signs. "really, just a buck, what's wrong with you? >> this is unbelievable. my money card got taken yesterday by a bank. it was bent or something. i don't have any cash. i got a dollar. i need to tip the parking garage attendant. i drive myself in here. i just had to borrow money from barnacle. i asked him, what's the interest
rate? i need to know what i owe you on the ten bucks. >> i gave you a ten to give the attendant, not a one. >> i wasn't going to give him a one. >> i had another buck in my pocket, thought two was fair. apparently i'm cheap. >> you've really, you've missed me, i can tell. all right, brian, you want to take us through some business stories? >> listen -- >> we could talk about detroit. >> first, from detroit, huge bankruptcy hearing today, 10:00 this morning. the first real hearing in front of a judge about the case. essentially, he's going to decide if the three lawsuits to block the bankruptcy filing can be allowed. in other words, there's three lawsuits against kevin orr, the city manager. if those are allowed, the bankruptcy filing can be delayed. if they are disallowed, the case, the bankruptcy, moves forward. it's a hearing about the hearing, if that makes sense.
i guess in some good detroit news, we can use a little bit, ford earnings coming out this morning, crushing wall street. estimates higher. sales higher. it wasn't some balance sheet trickery. sales up across the board. europe did better. china did well. earlier, ford said they're going to hire about 3,000 workers. >> well, isn't ford -- ford is an amazing success story, isn't it? here's a company, they refused to take the bailout money. and not only did they survive what gm did not survive, they're thriving now. they're hiring more americans. they're buying plants actually from toyota. ford is a story we should all embrace and be very excited about. >> i agree. and i've said many times, you know, front to back, no offense to any other car company, has the best lineup of cars. they did issue debt before the bailout so they didn't need the
money. they had money all right from the debt they sold. they make cars pe s people want buy. kind of a new concept. >> cup holders -- >> that hold the big 16 ounce cups that you can't have in new york. >> let's talk about their ceo. we've always seen detroit hire from within. ford made the dramatic decision, they decided to go outside to get their ceo. as robert frost would say, and that has made all the difference. >> alan malayly. >> came from boeing. >> tremendous job. >> what alan did was, unlike every other ceo, he didn't go in and fire everybody on the board. me kept them all there. he was confident enough -- he kept everybody around him and said, i need you guys to tell me. how do we make this company better? it's one of the great success stories. not on ly of a company but a ce.
>> we're talking about the car companies. we're using the phrase detroit is hiring. and this is terrific. but at the same type, are these people who are living in detroit, what will bring back people into detroit so the tax base can be lifted there so that can be a vibrant and this riching city again? i think that's one of the questions we were talking about. are you seeing any evidence of investment or what could bring detroit back? >> there is some in downtown. a company, i.t. services firm, closed their india operations and hired a bunch of people in downtown detroit because it was cheaper all in. cheaper than india. quicken loans has moved people back in. but you're talking about a small downtown area. it's a good news story. but detroit's 137 square miles. i actually friday went out, toured a lot of these areas. you could fit new york, boston
and san francisco into detroit's geographic land mass. it was built for 2 million people. there's 700,000 people. here's some video. this is what actually -- that house we showed that said "scrappers will be shot," somebody lives there. people are spray painting their own homes that they're still existing in. get off my yard or i will shoot you. because it's so violent and so -- it's literally ha heartbreaking. >> we went up to mackinac island, mika, and we were talking of course to a lot of michigan legislators, a lot of detroit people. they do have a lot to be excited about of course. the politicians in detroit have been dysfunctional. the political process has been dysfunctional. they've promised more than they could deliver for decades. but when it comes to investment in detroit, billions of dollars are being poured in there. and there people are betting on
the people of detroit. >> the money's being poured in, absolutely. there are businesses that see opportunity there. it's obviously a city with tremendous history. and an incredible location. but it's also make or break time. i mean, this filing doesn't bode well symbolically across the country for sure. brian sullivan, stay with us. up next, chuck todd weighs in on the anthony weiner mess and the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. [ male announcer ] progress isn't about where you've been.
in the next 8 years, our country won't be able to compete globally. what uncle sam needs now are more good teachers. are you up for it? you can help kids graduate. the more you know. anthony's made some horrible mistakes. both before he resigned from congress and after. but i do very strongly believe that is between us and our marriage. we discussed all of this before anthony decided he would run for mayor. so really what i want to say is i love him, i have forgiven h n, i believe in him, and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> welcome back to "morning
joe." you know, mika, that part of her speech is so powerful. i think new yorkers as much as anybody would be the first to say, you know what, if the wife forgives the husband for doing the things, it's none of our business. is he going to be a good mayor or not. that wouldn't work in a lot of places. it may just work in new york. it is such a powerful statement. she did such an incredible job yesterday that she might save her husband's career. >> as powerful was her feelings of pain, of shame, of other things that were going through her head. because she didn't try and hide her facial expressions from the world. she looked horrified. she looked completely despondent at times during that news conference. and then shifted around. it was really, it was extraordinary.
i've never seen anything like it. >> it was painful. let's bring in right now chuck todd. chuck, you covered anthony weiner for some time. let me say, that bump-in shot, every teime in that spot that yu made famous, get a little nervous. >> i get nervous too. >> on a 7 second delay, right? >> thanks to jay carney, we'll blame him. chuck, you covered weiner when he was in congress. he didn't have a terrible reputation but he didn't have the best of reputations. he was seen as a generalist, a guy who chased cameras. i don't know that he survives this sort of double shot of a scandal as much as, say, a mark s sanford or on the other side, a eliot spitzer would. >> this is a man with 100% name
i.d. and has he ever gotten more than 25% in any poll? remember, he's 100% name i.d. none of the others have that kind of name i.d. >> and there's some good candidates. >> you say, boy, that is probably where she is topping out. you talk about what we saw yesterday with huma. and it is interesting to me that when you look at previous sex scandals and the survivors, right, two survivors that come to mind are obviously bill clinton but also david vitter that have something in common with that episode yesterday, which was the wives decided not just to stand by their man but speak up for him and defend -- and basically say, this is between us. i have forgiven him. hillary clinton most famously did it first in 1992. did it again in 1998. and saved his political career twice. remember wendy vitter? i can't talk about how many times you bring this up.
wendy vitter, she went out there and she was more defy ain't frankly than david vitter was. he survived it. i think that's the same -- i think you are on to a point where the wife here, if she gets out there enough, she can provide deflection. >> mika, i just absolutely loved wendy vitter's performance. she was tough and she was defiant and she basically let everybody know she was killing her husband behind closed doors. my favorite part was, she went out, she said something along the lines of, hey, ya'll, he's back in washington now, so why don't you just hound him in washington and leave me and my kids alone. she was priceless and talk and she saved his career. >> fascinating. what i saw was a human display of emotions before she even opened her mouth. huma is someone who is well
known in political circles, in business circles, on every level. i have never met someone who has a bad word to say about her. in fact, if you say her name, chances are the person who knows her will jump to say a million different wonderful things about her. she apparently is an exemplary person. and you've got to wonder. i mean that definitely -- i was riveted yesterday. >> the exception is michele bachmann. but that's another story. >> well, there's that. >> remember that crazy -- whatever that was, i'm still trying to figure that out. everybody that knows her all have the most wonderful things to say. they all ask the follow-up question, how could she be with him? by the way, they've always asked that question from the very g p beginning. let's turn to the polls.
congress, everybody hates congress. it's not breaking news. barack obama's lowest numbers since 2011. but he's at 45%. that may bounce up to 48%. i don't know that that has a huge impact right now. if it goes down another five points then yeah, let's talk. but the number that grabs me is obama care. the numbers so exceptionally low going into the year where it's going to face implementation. this is an issue republicans can ride once again in the off year elections. what does the white house think it needs to do to turn those numbers around? >> they have to figure out how to campaign on it. the political arm trying to do paid advertising on it. it's amazing how divisive this is. we also asked that question, should republicans continue to try to essentially prevent the law from going into effect or should they stop their repeal efforts. when you look at it overall, it is right down the middle.
51% say stop these repeal efforts. 45%, no, no, keep going. when you look at it by party, it is an ideolocal huge split. 79% of democrats saying no, you know, stop repealing. 75% of republicans saying no, keep going, do everything you can. the other part of this, joe, is you have two political parties who are rationally listening to their voters. who are acting rationally based on the feedback they're getting from their constituents. all it's going to do is lead to more to what i think we're in the middle of. the president's will have to figure out how to campaign on it. i think they made a gigantic mistake by embracing the obama care label. it automatically politicizes something. when you want walgreens out there telling people about health care, you don't want to put obama's name in front of it. any politician's name in front of it.
i think it was cutesy at the moment in time. obama should have said, i kind of like it because it means i care. to actually embrace it, stupid. >> let me ask you this, chuck, do you agree with my close personal friend, a guy i've been with from the very beginning, i was one of those people who said this nate silver kid is going to go far. of espn fame. who has made a lot of betters very happy by going with espn. do you agree with nate silver republicans have a good shot at picking up the senate? >> sure. >> all these things we're talking about has an impact on that. >> they have to -- when you look at their path to six which is what they're going to need after corey booker wins in new jersey and that officially happens. of course, caveat, anything can happen, la de da da. the path to six, they can do it without ever having to reach swing voters. without ever having to win a blue state.
they can win all in red states. they can win this with alaska, with montana, with north carolina. they can do this without having to go to an iowa. they can do this without having to go to a colorado. that's what makes this so much better. their path to six they can do essentially without having to have these ideological fights in the middle where they turn off swing voters. unless they end up with nominees that are flubbed. we know the georgia primary will be crazy on the republican side and who knows ways going to happen. on paper, you'd rather be the republicans than the democrats. >> you guys are -- i don't know anything about this stuff, but i do know about the fed a little bit. i know over the last day something very interesting has happened. larry summers has quietly -- not so quietly, emerged as the front-runner to become the new federal reserve chairman. you're saying you'd be shocked. how come? >> i think this is -- will --
you want to talk about picking -- you're at the white house here -- >> very divisive guy. >> you've got the fall coming up. just mentioned obama health care. that's one fight. immigration. budget fight. debt ceiling issue. all going to come up in the fall. do you -- there is a school of thought that says throw one more piece of controversy out there, keep 'em distracted. that would be the nominee larry summers. or do you go with don't rock the markets, don't rock the economy, pick janet yellen, you know, break a glass feeling by the way, nominate the first woman that's head -- you're also nominating continuity. >> you don't think it's going to happen, summers? >> to me, potentially an unforced error, only because -- not saying he's not qualified, only he will be -- it will bring a lot more attention to an issue that maybe the white house doesn't want. >> all right, chuck todd, thank you. by the way, how much do you tip to park your car? >> how much do i tip to park my
car? >> an average tip. >> new york city. >> a couple bucks? >> i assume it's five. >> we'll see you in a few minutes on the "daily rundown." >> do you carry singles anymore? >> i had to borrow money. i didn't have enough money. i had -- >> up next -- >> a buck? >> howie mandel is standing by. all new episode of "america's got talent." look at the pose. oh. wait a minute. i think he's mocking me. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." helicopthierhis hibuzzing, andk engine humming.
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joe." 45 past the hour. joining us now, comedian and judge of nbc's "america's got talent," howie mandel. good to see you. >> it's good to be seen. it's early. >> it's early. you're a west coaster. >> and i had a late night. >> thank you for coming in. i hope you're okay. >> i am okay. >> "america's got talent." eighth season. >> coming to you live from radio music city hall in new york. two brand-new judges. the beautiful heidi klum and mel b., the spice girl, and howard stern and me. last night was our first live performance. only four people are moving on. the results are tonight on nbc. >> i'll watch that with my daughter. >> and then after that, 10:30 on tbs, i have a new show called "deal with it." >> i want to hear about "deal with it." i'm going to ask you a couple questions because it might be my most favorite concept ever to
come to television. one quick question, what's it like to work with howard stern? >> i love it. howard and i are friends. >> yeah? >> yes. so to sit -- when you have like a favorite tv show or something, to sit with your friend -- why do you think it would be tough? we don't agree a lot but i'm happy to fight with him. >> i'm nervous. i don't know him but i would be nervous. >> you're nervous to be with people you don't know? >> no, that's okay. i've heard him on the radio. i've seen him. he's such a big, big personality. >> he is a big personality. >> you don't know where he's going to go. >> i like that danger. this is like tv without a net. it is danger. danger is my middle name. >> speaking of danger -- >> oh, sorry, just realized that. i feel like such a wiener. sorry. and yesterday, i noticed when he was standing, he had a pen in his pocket. did you notice in those pictures? >> please, where are you going?
>> the guy texts. what could he possibly write. i think she took away his blackberry. here's a pen. >> this is feeling dangerous right now. deal with it, okay, deal with it. >> yeah, deal with it, i'm here. deal with it is a concept from israel actually. it was a hit show. my company, i'm the executive producer. >> what's the concept? >> we put cameras in a restaurant or bar, with we key the people coming in and then we send a waiter in. and they get kind of ambushed. we say, do you want to be on a game show? if they say yes, we give them an ear piece, send them back to the table, and they can't let anybody know they're on a game show and then they have to do whatever they're told to do for money. >> like, like? >> well, mel b.'s on tonight's show. the guy's sitting there with his wife. we notice that she's eating chips. so mel b. says tell your wife to stop eating the chips, he's starting to look heavy.
for $500. how will she react? >> you're telling -- >> mel b., whoever -- tonight's joan rivers, mel b. i'm the executive producer. i'm sometimes on. you can tell them anything. there's a chocolate cake at the next table. elderly couple eating this. >> where do you shoot this? >> every restaurant. every bar we can. >> but the people don't know. i'll say for $1,000, get up, go to that table and jam your face in the cake. will they do it? "deal with it." it's on tbs, 10:30. >> that is so much fun. i'm going to watch. >> will you watch? >> yes. >> okay, so that's one. follow me on twitte twitter @howiemantle. >> dangerous. >> i'm not going to tweet you any pictures. >> @howiemander. i want all of your viewers to tweet, watch tbs tonight at 10:30. i want to appeal to all your
viewers. look at me, i'm leaning to the right. >> no, leaning forward. >> i'm sorry. catch "america's got talent" tonight. nbc, tuesdays and wednesdays at 9:00 p.m., 8:00 p.m. central. "deal with it." >> 10:30, tbs, at 9:30 central. tell all your followers to watch. >> i want to tell someone to put their face in a cake. >> you can come on. will you come on and tell people what to do? >>o too. >> and you, and you, everybody. >> up next, stephen colbert's take on what women are thinking on kate middleton after the royal birth. the best of late night is next.
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axiron. welcome back, kids. i have to tell you what i learned, jay carney fella, he has a really short fuse. you wonder how he gets to where he gets. wow, ka boom. spontaneous combustion. >> it's an interesting take you have there, thank you, joe. i learned that my new -- i'm just going to stay away from scandal in my what we learned and say my new favorite show just might be "deal with it." >> it's what we do every day. i too am staying away from scandal. because earlier today, brian shackman did not have the courage to come out here. we have to hire someone to teach brian shackman how to eat yogurt first thing in the morning.
for the 14th consecutive day, he has spilled his yogurt all over his tie. >> shackman? >> yeah, right here, here he is. >> i was ashamed to come on the show because my tie is stained. >> actually, i think you're intating joe. that's what it is. >> no, i have socks on. >> melody barnes. >> americans, many americans want to throw out every member of congress, including their own, and that you are dying to be a contestant on "deal with it." >> joe. >> all right, if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." but stick around for chuck todd and "the daily rundown." well, the campaign into the danger zone. anthony weiner's come up big. online outings that happened after he quit congress in shame. weiner's not the only star attraction. we're going to take a deep dive into it all this