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left, hurricane katrina destroyed much of the gulf coast region. the elayn hunt correctional center became home to many inmates from nearby prisons that were evacuated due to damage. that's our report. thanks for watching. i'm john seigenthaler. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> america's prisons. dangerous. often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! down! >> among the nation's toughest, california's state prison, corcoran, severely overcrowded and plagued by racial tension. we spent months inside, where officers try to maintain order in an institution with a notoriously violent past.
this is "lockup: corcoran, extended stay." for me, it was a hard, bumpy road. >> bad decisions have landed thousands of inmates in corcoran. >> that is the life i picked for myself, and it's really hard. >> in prison they've got two choices, do their time and go home -- >> i've got a baby brother who doesn't have anybody out there right now. if i go home and he can look up to that -- >> -- or become even more destructive on the inside. >> more crazy people in your cell, and crazy things happen. >> stabbings, killings, drugs, weapons. >> the path they choose could determine the difference between life and death. >> you take care of yourself, and the rest will fall into place. >> another alarm.
>> i live on corcoran, 3c facility. it's a sensitive needs yard for inmates that cannot program around the general population inmates. people with sex crimes, child molesters, gang dropouts and people like myself that have testified. my path to prison started when i began selling drugs in little rock, arkansas. three years after selling drugs, i ended up going with a buddy. not really a murder-for-hire, but we were supposed to beat a guy up pretty bad and make it look like a robbery. i told my father about it later on that night, and six months later my father called me on the telephone and asked me, how much would it cost to get a dog run over? i didn't understand his little
code at first, but later on, during the conversation he told me that some relatives wanted to get their husband killed for supposedly molesting their 8-year-old daughter. during this whole time, my relatives are phoning me, constantly, leaving me messages, pleading with me, afraid that he's going to spend another minute alone with his daughter. so at that time i decided, hey, this is family. i got to do this. so i asked him, i said, hey, just tell me exact time and exact place where i can find him. they end up telling me tuesday, at about 2:15, he would go to a daycare center to pick up his son. i staked out the place, planned my escape route, went to mcdonald's, grabbed something to eat, went to some abandoned horse trailer and put on my armor, my disguise, a hat, glasses, jacket, and i went and waited. and i waited for -- i don't know, it seemed like forever. he parked in the parking lot about 20 feet from the front door of the daycare center. and i remember the blinds were
drawn. that's one reason why my relatives said it would be a good time, because the kids would be sleeping, and the blinds would be drawn, and nobody would see me. so i remember, i got in the car, and i slowly crept to his window. i just remember taking the gun, and i tapped it a few times on his window. and kind of startled. and he looked at me. and as soon as he looked at me i knew it was him. i didn't think or nothing. i just started pulling the trigger. closer than you and i are right now. i just started shooting. and i didn't count the bullets. i didn't even know how many i fired until reading the police reports later on. and now here i am. as much as i would like to say that i really killed for a righteous and solid reason in people's eyes, the truth is, i believe i was mistaken. i believe that it was a bitter custody dispute, that one of the
ladies manipulated us all and got family and got me to believe that he was molesting his 8-year-old daughter, and the truth is that i just may have been mistaken. and i may have done all this for no reason at all. >> bryan modglin turned state's evidence against those who hired him to commit murder and now spends his days on the s.n.y. >> i'm here because if you testify, then you're a rat. i ended up telling the whole story of everything. i implicated my two relatives that paid me. so i'm the lowest of inmates because i decided to tell the truth about my crime and implicate other people. i may never get out of here. every day i think about this may be my home. man, i don't deserve to get out. >> a sense of hopelessness leads many lifers to destructive behavior. when an inmate commits any crime
inside corcoran, he is sent to the administrative segregation unit, or asu, until his case is heard. >> this is a pretty secure unit, everything is controlled as far as any kind of movement, incoming, outgoing, whatever. so canteen, walking to see a visitor. here everything is controlled. for meals, we bring them. there is a set program that we go by. >> how are you guys doing? all right? good, good. >> today our producers are granted access to a case being heard by the institutional classification committee. >> morning, morning. i am here today to review your asu placement, to determine if their housing is appropriate, and to ensure that due process has been available to them. >> good. >> yeah. >> inmate ed duane smith and his cellie are charged with prison murder. >> i've been trying for the past month to get my 115 heard. >> did you not postpone to the d.a.? >> yes, but it says, according
to -- >> do you have your request with you? >> no, but i did submit it. >> who did you submit it to? >> i sent it to captain fields, one to grimsley. >> this is what we can do, smith, when you return back to your cell, write a quick note indicating that you want this 115 heard immediately, and we can list where we can provoke your postponement. >> i've been writing to get an interview. >> well, at some point in time, the d.a. will come out here -- >> it's been over a year. >> i understand. >> i've never heard in my life that a person can be charged with a murder and nobody comes and interviews the suspect, you know? and i've been trying to get an interview with any of you guys for the longest. i really hope serious ears listen to this. >> and i believe you've already stated that and we are listening to you, and we are giving you some recourse. and this information has been referred to the local district attorney's office here in hanford, so we can address your concerns. i want to make sure you understand why you're going to
be maintained here in ad seg, the d.a. process. do you have any other concerns, sir? >> this -- it's just -- >> do you have any other concerns? >> no other concerns, besides the fact that -- >> thank you. you have a nice day. >> i really reached out for this. >> it seems it's going to be overlooked again. >> ed duane's cellmate and co-defendant in the murder case is more outspoken about his displeasure with the charges. >> that man right there is part of it. that's the man right there. captain fields. you can take a picture of him. >> you know you're wrong. >> what did i do? >> you know you're wrong, fields. you know me and this man, these four brothers haven't done anything. you know that. there is no way possible. i showed you the time restraints. >> while i was at smith's cell door, his cellmate took the opportunity to vent a little bit on me, and understanding that these inmates need the opportunity to vent, he took his opportunity.
>> i've come to you every time i can. i sit in that damn seat with tears running down my eyes. please, can you please just read it? fields, you are the captain, man! something is happening -- i got 30 years and this is my year for clemency. i'm innocent. >> you want to talk to somebody from psych? >> no, i don't need any psych problems. >> i'm just making sure. >> no, i don't need any psych problems. i'm not tripping, i'm not crazy, i'm not mad. i'm not illiterate. >> you seem mad. >> these papers -- >> i don't take it personal. if i did, i'm probably working in the wrong spot. prison wouldn't be the place for me. >> you've got that request to revoke? >> will this do? >> yeah, that's fine. >> so although i don't appreciate it, i don't respond in an unprofessional manner. most of the time, i'll turn around and walk away. >> all right, we'll get it heard.
coming up, another icc meeting and another unhappy inmate. >> they put crazy people in your cell, and crazy things happen. and later -- bryan struggles with life on the sny, where he is forced to live among sex offenders. >> man, i don't want to know. because i still think it's a horrible crime. once you plant the seed, it just grows and grows and grows and grows. well, did you ow some owls aren't that wise? don't forget i'm having brunch with meghan tomorrow. who? meghan, my coworker. who? seriously? you've met her like three times. who? (sighs) geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know.
we're going to be right back. >> ruben cruz is an inmate who stabbed his cellie multiple times. >> i had just finished my short term of 22 months, and i came down from the high desert state prison for attempted murder on another inmate. this is a personal problem i had with another inmate. >> and you tried to kill him?
>> we tried to do it to each other, basically. yeah. it's a survival thing. that's what it really is. >> what happened to him? >> 17 stab wounds. and i didn't come out with nothing. >> because ruben assaulted a fellow southern hispanic, his former gang has disowned him. >> that's the life i picked for myself. i've been in this lifestyle for like 27 years. there's nobody to blame but myself. >> today he's meeting with the icc. not for that brutal stabbing, but to find out if he's eligible to move to the sny yard for protection against retaliation. >> i feel a little nervous. it's a new journey in my life. i don't know how to explain it, because it's going to be a new experience for me. >> already been heard, correct? >> yeah. >> do you have a cellie? >> no, sir. >> no.
you do understand that once you go to an sny, you are required to take a cellie? >> yes. >> you also understand that when up go to sny, all of the prison politics is thrown right out the window. >> yes. >> you can be housed with almost anyone. >> yes. >> under any circumstances. you understand that, correct? >> yes. >> okay, so we're going to go ahead and release you to facility 3c sny. do you have any concerns with that? >> no, sir. >> do you have any other questions for me? >> no, sir. >> do you agree or disagree with the committee's action? >> i agree. >> thank you. you have a nice day. >> i'm a lot happier now. you know? i haven't been like this in a long time. you know, i've always been stressful, always thinking they're coming my way and what i have to do. but now i can just choose for myself. now that i've made this decision, it leaves all of that behind now, you know? all of that is gone. >> ruben's realization that the gang lifestyle is a dead end came only after a violent fight with his cellmate.
for daniel bobian, another former gang dropout currently living in sny, early retirement was also involuntary. >> i've been pretty much hanging with gang members since i was a kid. so it really wasn't that new. when i came to prison i already knew what i was going to be. >> which is? >> a northerner. now i've got to take -- an individual called me on some names and i took off on him. which he called me a punk or a bitch i'm going to take off on you, especially in prison. it's against our rules. two nortenos cannot fight against each other. so by that we were both removed. >> being removed means that the inmates are now considered enemies of their former gang. >> he got sliced from ear to ear on both sides and i just got a little mark. they tried to get me in my sleep
at 5:00 in the morning. i was drinking coffee most that night trying to stay up. but you can only stay up for so long. and they tried to get me in my sleep, and i woke up and hit him in his arm. and he ran so i could not see him, and the c.o. seen me, and i was bleeding, and that was it. going to the hole, i was there for like, eight months. going back and forth, they were like yeah, you're a piece of [ bleep ], you're no good anymore, you can't come back. and i was like man, you've got me [ bleep ]. i'm coming back. and they were like, yeah, after so many months oftakering it i was like i'm tired, i'm cool. i'm not going to catch any time for anybody else. i'm not going to do more time in prison for something that don't really care for me anymore. just a mule -- anybody in prison is just a mule to gangs. i'm not going to be that person anymore. >> daniel has already lost a brother and a sister to the gang lifestyle. but he says the opportunity to mentor his only surviving sibling has become the reason to change his behavior in prison. >> i've got a baby brother who doesn't have anybody out there right now, because i'm in
prison, and his older brother and sister are dead. what does it look like me being in here and he's out there? if i go home and doing something better for him, he can pick up and look up to that. i've had months to think about that, months for thinking about a better life for my family. >> in an effort to fill his remaining days in prison more productively, daniel is applying for a job. but it's not up to him. >> you've got to talk to your counselor first, and let your counselor know that you want a job, a committee, and they put you in a job, and you have to be patient. it's part of the process to better myself. hopefully it works. >> still ahead -- >> i enjoy hurting people. >> this inmate's temper has earned him a permanent position in the shu. >> put my foot on the back of his head and just started sawing away. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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lollipops. you know what i'm saying? these guys haven't got no goals, no ambitions, no calls, you understand what i'm saying? i've been in the hot desert, pelican bay, new folsom, every one of them. major riots with dudes getting their heads blown off. knives, everything. but here, nothing happens. because they want to keep you on lockdown for nothing. >> what's wrong with change? >> back in ad seg another inmate faces the icc after fighting with a cellmate. >> they put crazy people in your cell, and crazy things happen. he was having problems with somebody else, so they moved him in my cell. this guy is having problems, why is he moving this guy in my cell? i don't need no problems. i had an operation on my testicles, because one of them swelled up as big as a softball. so when they let me out of the hospital, i came back to the cell, and there was this guy and he jumped on me and kicked me on my testicles after i had my operation, and hit me in the head with a cup. so i grabbed him and held him and choked him and made him
quit. >> what really happened, nobody really knows, because we were in the cell and an altercation occurred. he wound up getting hurt worse than i did. so it looked like i'm guilty. >> michael callans is brought before the institutional classification committee. >> county jail. you can receive an expected 15-month shu term with a projected murder of 123009. we're doing an expected shu term because he has an extensive disciplinary history. >> do you have any questions for me? >> well, i'm the bad guy here. and that's not the case. >> well, you do understand that you battered an inmate with a weapon back on february 15, 2008, correct? >> i understand. i got battered. >> we did refer this to the d.a. we have not received a response from the d.a. so as a result of that, we're going to go ahead and retain you here in asu pending the d.a.'s referral. >> i don't want to be in the
hole. that's for sure. i don't think i should be, i think i'm a victim here. >> okay. and all of that will be figured out when the actual disciplinary is heard by the senior hearing officer. then you can go ahead and give them whatever information that you have. do you understand that? >> yeah. >> any other questions? >> no. >> thank you. you have a nice day. >> you, too. >> the postponement of his hearing means that michael will remain in ad seg for the foreseeable future and still faces the possibility of a 15-month shu term. >> my life is in turmoil. i'm locked in this little bitty cell. if i get found guilty by these people, which is going to be a kangaroo court, i'm going to have 15 months in the shu, which most likely i'm going to get found guilty. and then, the worst part is that they are asking the d.a. to press charges against me. if the d.a. press charges against me, and i get convicted over there, i have another life sentence on top of the life sentence i already did, and i i'm a victim here.
so, i mean, it's just crazy. i don't really know what's going to happen. i'll probably be locked away a year or longer. it's very disrupting. >> sanchez. >> do you have any razors? >> three tuna. three nachos. >> 50. >> sanchez, thank you. >> thank you. >> martinez, victor. 44. >> bryan modglin told us he's trying to be a new man, but living on the sensitive needs yard with child molesters is a strange twist of fate not lost on him. >> i committed my crime because i was under the impression that the man i killed was molesting my 8-year-old cousin. and then come to find out, by me testifying in court, it put me
in the same situation, and the inmate population looked upon me the same as the guy i killed. so a couple years later i end up coming to an sny yard, where i'm surrounded by the same type of people that are actually convicted of the crime that i thought the guy i killed actually committed. >> on brian's own cell block there are several sex offenders like this inmate, whose identity corcoran asked us to conceal. >> i was a minister on the streets and had been for 45 years. my charges against me was for having a relationship with ladies under 17 years of age or 18 years of age, and so i have 15 to life sentence for that. i am 67 years of age. i came in when i was 65 years of age. i shouldn't have allowed that to happen. i'm an adult. i made a wrong decision. in my church, i had people who
were c.o.s who told me a little bit about prison life. and, of course, the first thing they said, make sure you go to an s.n.y. yard. at first i didn't know what to expect. i was scared in some ways of maybe somebody jumping me or whatever. that's my life now. >> a lot of them stick out. a lot of them don't. but i just try to -- man, i don't want to know, because i still think it's a horrible crime, and i would be lying if i said it's not something in the back of my mind every time i'm around the person. a comment comes up to where they said, oh, you know what that guy was in here for, you know what that guy did? and you're like, oh, i don't even want to hear it. just keep it to yourself. so it's better to stock the gossip before it gets in, because once you plant the seed, it just grows and grows and grows and grows. it's hard. coming up, bryan attends a counseling session to channel some of his anger and resentment.
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matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> my grandma actually called me jumpy when i was a baby. i used to jump in the johnnie jump-ups. it stuck with me my whole life. and i've got some other nicknames. do you want to know them? some people call me b, just a regular b, because my last name is schwarm. like a swarm of bees. okay? some people know me as snaps because i click. when i see somebody from far away, they'll know it's me because i'll do my little click sound. >> again? [ clicking ] >> corcoran security housing unit, or shu, is the largest in the state of california. and holds the worst of the worst inmates. robert glen is no exception. though ironically, his prison history all began with one
nonviolent crime. >> i came to prison for grand theft auto. i got sentenced to three years. >> but instead of simply doing his time and going home, robert has assaulted more than a dozen inmates, lengthening his original sentence. >> because of all of them assaults, my points again rose to a level 4 inmate. and the classification committee decided to give me a indeterminant shu term, and put me up with a aryan brotherhood member, and that began my life with a prison gang. >> the aryan brotherhood exploited his violent nature, using robert to carry out their dirty work. >> prison gang involved everything from stabbings, killings, drugs, weapons. whatever needed to be done, i did it. >> we warn you. the detailing of his violent acts is extremely graphic. >> there was an inmate that came up here. he was accused of raping a woman
out on the street. because i was up and coming in the gang at that time it fell to me to either make another inmate kill him or i myself kill him. i chose to kill myself. if i didn't kill this guy, or if i didn't have this guy killed, then i myself would be killed. that's how the prison gang system works. fellow gang members, went into his cell to play cards with him. the plan was for his partner in he wasn't dead yet because i wanted him to feel exactly what was going to happen to him. i didn't want him to make a lot of noise because the c.o. was about 15 cells toward the front of the tier. so he could have heard me at any
time. another inmate passed me a razor shank. i sliced his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. and then another inmate passed me a shank. probably about that long. with a handle on it. and i just started stabbing him. stabbed him over 100 times. in the back, sides, the neck. he was crying, telling me to stop, begging for me to stop. he was still alive through all of it. that was one of my favorite ones right there. because he was a rapist and i despise rapists. i cannot stand them. child molesters, rapists, the worst. >> in spite of his love of violence, robert eventually grew tired of the gang politics and decided to drop out. he was transferred to the sensitive needs yard. >> they thought that all sny meant we're all equal.
it's not the case. they celled me up with a convicted child molester. he molested his sister between the ages of 8 and 14. so a couple days later i dealt with it. >> i tore my boxers apart, took all the string out, twisted it up and braided it up. and on either end a put a slip knot, then rolled up two socks where it was kind of a good grip and the string fits in the middle. i waited one night while we were watching tv. i picked a fight with him. once he stood up i put him in a choke hold. he was already passed out. i put the garrote around his neck and killed him. i put my foot on the back of his head and put the string over his head and just started sawing away. wasn't doing it as quick as i wanted to, and so i just quit. and then i just picked him up and put him on his bunk and left him there. next morning, i went out to chow, ate, came back to my cell and waited. i feel a lot of anger towards
cdc for celling me up with this inmate. i had a release date of 2019, i was going home. but also, i do take responsibility for my actions. i could have very well just beat the guy up and forced a cell move that way. i chose to kill him. i enjoy hurting people. >> robert's violent choices sealed his fate in prison. but for other inmates inside corcoran even a life sentence isn't reason to give up. back on the sny yard, bryan attends a program for inmates serving life sentences called "dare to hope." >> i would like to bring on randy. >> originally a lot of us went just out of curiosity and none of us knew what to expect. we didn't know if it was going to be a continual program or one-time shot or whatever, but we are always looking for a little bit of hope. >> how are you guys doing? >> good. >> all right.
it's really an honor and pleasure for me to be here today. how many of you guys are lifers? you're all lifers? everybody in this room? you know, my heart -- the people i want to talk to is you guys. and the reason for that is i paroled 3 1/2 years ago after doing 30 1/2 years. my message to you when you come here is you guys cannot give up. this is not all you're supposed to be. this is not your destiny. you can accomplish a lot more. >> are you foreseeing a change in the curve of parole opportunities in the future? 2006, there was 4,657 parole hearings. 23 people made it out. is that what you're all motivating us to try and try for, to be that 1/4 of 1%? >> the public views us with fear, that we're not human beings anymore. all these programs they've established for us upon release. what is going to be established for us before, prior to release, that we can do now? >> you missed everything that i said. change you.
don't worry about the world. don't worry about politics. don't worry about how many -- i don't care if there is 89 programs or 5,000 programs. it doesn't matter if you don't change you. >> he did 30 years, but he's still telling everybody, hey, don't give up, don't give up. and he even spoke towards the end of his term they gave him a date, took his date back, and then that sent him to drugs and so on and so forth. but then all of a sudden he wasn't the man that his family knew he could be. >> all i could see at that time was right here. that's it. just the bars in front of my face. that's all i could see. don't believe that. you guys can accomplish a lot of things. you'll be amazed at what you can do. start right now. don't do these things to please the board. do them for yourself. even if you don't get out for six years, change your life, be a different person. because when that time comes, you'll be out there, and you can accomplish a lot of things. >> so he straightened up again, and then he got out.
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me during the day. i want a raise. >> this is a good job. it keeps you out of trouble. you make it real good, because you know everybody has got to eat it. we don't want any upset customers. get paid lousy, though. the job always keeps you out of trouble, on the streets, in jail. it's all the same thing. >> larry sanders' program not only keeps him out of trouble. it literally takes him out of prison. for one day. >> we have a program scheduled today in fresno at king's canyon middle school. what we're doing is picking up one of our inmates who is a participant of the program. it's a voluntary program, so they don't have to do this. he's doing this because he wants to. >> right now as we go in there we're going to process this inmate and make sure he's pat down, stripped out, and then take him to r&r and make sure
the proper paperwork's there for security purposes before we take him out. >> have you got your i.d.? >> i have been in prison three times. the first time i did a five-year bid for assault with a deadly wrap. and then i got out and returned back for a violation. my third time, which is now, i got caught with 23 pounds of methamphetamines and was facing life with three strikes. so i ended up getting 15 years. been locked up ever since may 22nd of '95. >> we'll let sanders speak a little bit about himself, what happened to him, how he ended up in prison, the choices that he made. because, really, it's all about the choices. >> for me, it was a hard, bumpy road. i was involved in gangs, and then i started to see the light as i got older. >> they was coming around and asking people do they want to go talk to the kids at the school and stuff. next thing i know, they said, i was the only one that was going to this program. >> right now, i'm leaving the prison. it feels wonderful going to talk
to the kids. going to try to educate them and let them know to make the right choices in life. it seems like we have a locked gate right here. i'm familiar with those. oh, yeah, this is going to be fun. school -- to be back in school again. fresh air. >> nice and cool out here. >> fresh air. >> this ain't hot like it was yesterday. fresh air. >> it will probably be in the front there. >> yeah. in the front there. >> there's actually someone on the side. >> good morning, everyone. good morning, everyone! >> morning! >> better. a lot better. i'm officer martinez. this is my partner, officer ford. okay? today we brought with us inmate sanders. he's actually doing time right now at corcoran. all right? we brought a program, it's called "another way." what the "another way" program does is it talks about the
realities of the choices that you guys are making right now. okay? the choices that could lead you to prison. >> i can tell you how to get to prison. it's not that hard. we're here to tell you how to stay out of prison, if you want to hear it. we all know there's crime out here in these streets. we all know there's gangs out here. but how do we stop it? that's why i'm here. all right? mr. sanders. >> good morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> my name is sanders, my number is do9582. i've been doing time ever since the early '80s. every morning you wake up, get up at 5:30, you go eat chow, you go to your job assignment, whatever. it's no fun. you know what i mean? >> how many people in here have family in prison? >> yeah, family or friends. >> i have. >> how many have brothers and sisters and family and cousins that say it's cool up in there? oh, they say it's cool up in there, huh? come join us. i feel sorry for you if you do join them. >> right now, you're in junior
high. you have so many doors open for you right now, but you can voluntarily give up your freedom. some of you, at the age of 14, can end up in prison already. so that's what we're here to talk about. the program, this is what we do. we bring the prison to you guys. we don't want to see you in prison. we'd rather see you out here. sanders is here to enlighten you, let you know about the choices. don't make these certain choices that he made. >> my dad has been in and out of prison since i was, like, born. and my mom, she's just -- we've just been living together alone, and just going back and forth to my grandma's and my mom's. >> how many of you guys in here have ever been arrested before? who's been arrested before? keep it real. two? click, click, cuffs, the whole nine yards, huh? >> i was in trouble for tagging i had just one backpack, my
friend's backpack with all the spray cans in them. and these two cops caught me and they just put me in the car. they cuffed me and they took me down to the juvenile hall and they called my mom. >> how did you like that feeling? >> i felt scared. i didn't know what to do. i didn't know how my mom was going to react. and i was just scared. >> did it make you change, being cuffed up? no? it didn't make you change? what about you, dog? did it make you change? >> it, like, taught me, i don't want to go to prison. and dude, i never want to go there, ever. not even -- not ever again. >> right now, you all have a goal to become something in life. listen to your teachers. they is not going to school you wrong. >> i think i got a message to say to the kids. i think i got a pretty strong message to try to change their opinion in life. they pretty much got a lot of future ahead of them.
they are our future. it's no limit of what you are capable of doing. if you are out there doing it wrong, you will end up where i am at. >> larry's freedom is short-lived as the day comes to a close. but his work continues in prison, where he hopes other inmates will follow his lead and join the "another way" program. >> maybe i can get out there and share some of this knowledge. that's all up to them. >> but it's hard to find inmates sincere about making a difference. >> would you say that you're just trying to occupy your time to get past this time to go out and do the same? >> yeah. and later -- >> this is a setting that you need to get adjusted to. >> can ruben keep good on his promise to stay out of trouble in the sny? >> they say there's child molesters and rapists here. >> or will he wind up back in another icc hearing? ad two big : help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do.
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this prison ain't no [ bleep ] joke. ain't no joke. there are two things that you are going to do. you're either going to live or you're going to die. which side you on? >> back in ad seg, another inmate faces the icc for a brutal assault in prison. >> this is a special review committee to replace ad seg on 10-18-07 after receiving a complaint due to battery on an inmate. you were issued a 115, wherein you were charged and found guilty of an a-1 offense. this offense requires an assessment, a 629-a has been completed for battery on an inmate with sbi, 9-18-08. >> csr for the shu on it and you stay here at ad seg to get you endorsed and move you over to the shu. >> you got any questions of us? >> this is my first time though.
>> we assess what the minimum, medium, and maximum is for the offense. and minimum is 15 months. that's what we have to go by, the regs. so you got any questions? >> no. >> okay. thank you. >> the assault has earned this inmate a 15-month shu term. but ruben cruz, who we last saw in a similar situation -- >> 17 stab wounds. and i came out with none. >> -- is now making himself at home on the sensitive needs yard. >> s.n.y. is just a name for -- honestly, i don't even know. you know? i love it. i honestly do. this is the first time that i could choose who i want to talk to, who i want to play basketball with. honestly, it's just a whole change of scenario. a whole change of lifestyle. it's better. honestly, it's a lot better. you know? this right here, as you can see, it is the same as general
population, the same people play basketball and people working out and people running their own program. they don't have to go through all of that other [ bleep ] that we used to go through before. it's very much different. it's a setting you need to get adjusted to. from what i understand, they say there's child molesters and rapists here. i haven't encountered one. not that i'm looking for them, i would just rather not know who they are. you know? and that's just basically it. i just socialize with the guys i know who is who. this is a different crowd. i've got several associates over here. friends are hard to come by. i could figure out of 1,000-some inmates here, i only have two friends. i don't socialize with everybody. there's only one or two persons that you could really stick with each other because you don't know who's who. >> come on, right? lifestyle. this is the lifestyle of the rich and famous. you know what i mean?
>> while the inmates on the sny may not be rich, there are opportunities. daniel bobian applied for a job and was approved to be an inmate assistive program worker. >> my job is to help the mobility impaired who need help with cleaning their cells, ready to go to chow, ready to get pills. >> daniel hopes that the responsibility will prepare him to one day hold down a job on the outside and mentor his younger brother. >> if i can work in here, i can work on the streets, and if i can work for five cents i can work for $5. what's better, 5 cents or $5? 15 cents or $15? so i feel good. i feel like a man. >> bryan modglin has chosen to work in a different capacity. >> i just want to introduce our speaker today. it's bryan, and you know him as lefty. he's going to come to give us a wonderful sermon on john 3:16. so come on up.
[ applause ] >> i didn't like the guy that i was. i wasn't the person i told everybody else i was. i definitely wasn't the man i wanted to be. so i ended up telling the lord one sunday evening. i said hey, you know what? i want to serve you 100%. just let me get out to see my family one day. that's the only thing that gives me hope. >> if bryan stays out of trouble in prison, he'll be eligible for parole in 2023. meanwhile, larry sanders continues trying to point younger inmates toward the right path. >> i mean, i ain't never been up in here. >> well, you ain't never been in here. >> a lot of them are involved in gangs and stuff because they have to be because the way how it is in here. >> why you want to go talk to the kids? >> because, you know, nobody never came and talked to me when i was in school and gave me a different outlook on the way i took in life. you know what i'm saying?
if somebody would, i probably wouldn't have ended up in the situation that i'm in right now. so i want to get to somebody and because i am young, too, they wanted me to speak, you understand, to young people on a different level than they is, so i wanted to let them know that they can change. >> the younger ones, there are a lot of younger ones, they come to me for opinion, and wants to know if they're doing the right thing. a lot of them wants to stay out of gang. >> would you say that you're just trying to occupy your time to get past this time -- >> yeah. >> -- to go out and dot same or -- >> no. i'm never doing what i did again. and that's a promise to myself more than anybody. i ain't never selling no crack again. that's what i'm in here for, selling crack. >> okay. >> i ain't never doing that again. >> but you must have education to get a nice job to better yourself. >> yeah. >> to basically -- to focus in society these days. it's not no hand-me-downs.
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