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we're going to get three years of this show. and i'm going to be right at the front row waiting and cheering and eating popcorn. >> this is -- this feels like good, you know, batting practice for christie and for rand paul. he's going to have to deal with some of these kinds of issues if rand paul gets into this race. >> it's like going on a whale hunt. for chris christie, it's like swatting flies. >> thank you. >> chris hayes is next. good evening from new york. workers are walking out at major fast food chains in multiple states. there is a real movement to increase wages across the country and those workers are here tonight. also, it turns out, the new pope says gay priests are fine
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with him. and progressive catholics the world over are swooning. plus, pull up a seat and get your popcorn, rand paul versus chris christie has turned into a full-on battle royale, complete with congressional flunkies choosing sides and jumping into the ring. we begin tonight in north carolina where republican governor pat mccrory made history a few hours ago. mccrory just signed an antiabortion bill designed to severely restrict access to reproductive services in the state. he signed that bill despite making this campaign pledge at a 2012 gubernatorial debate. >> if you're elected governor, what further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign? start with you, mr. mccrory. >> none. >> all right. >> ha. in case you forgot, the bill the governor just signed, despite making that crystal clear promise, less than a year ago, was originally attached to an anti-sharia law bill, and it was finally jammed through by being attached to a motorcycle safety bill. the governor is also poised to
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make good on his pledge to sign one of the most restrictive voting rights bills in the nation. a bill that he, himself, admits, as of friday, he had not read. >> i don't know enough -- i'm sorry, i haven't seen that part of the bill. >> that was governor being asked about a specific provision of that voter restriction bill that eliminates preregistration for 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds that he was apparently unfamiliar with. and keep in mind that question was asked less than five minutes after the governor said he would be signing the law. >> the second bill that i will sign is the voter i.d. law. i said it in 2008, and i said it again in 2012 that i think it makes common sense to show an i.d. when to vote. >> since the governor is apparently unfamiliar with the
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law he's pledged to sign, let me take a moment to educate him. not only will north carolina's voter i.d. bill end preregistration for 16-year-old and 17-year-olds who now can register to vote before they turn 18, it slashes the early voting period in half which has, as far as i can tell, absolutely nothing to do with i.d. or alleged fraud. eliminates same-day voter registration, requires voters to show a government-issued i.d., ends straight-ticket voting and also ends sunday voting. the rationale for which i cannot define. the bill the governor pledged to sign and the abortion bill the governor just did sign, those are two bills that give you a taste of the radical experiment going down in north carolina. right-wing assault that has produced moral mondays, the most significant concerted civil disobedience campaign anywhere in the country. this was the scene this afternoon as thousands of people marched to the state capitol for the 11th moral monday. the last of the legislative session.
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steadily week after week spurred by the all-out assault on voting rights, abortion rights and economic stability of north carolinians, people have gathered in the capitol to make their voices heard and in many cases to get arrested. more than 900 people have been arrested participating in moral monday protests since april. the republican governor and legislature have been remarkably successful in jamming through their legislative agenda, but in doing so, they may have just created the movement that will prove to be their undoing. joining me from north carolina tonight, democratic north carolina state senator angela bryant, reverend william barber, president of the north carolina state conference of the naacp, who has been leading the moral monday protests, and representative larry hall, democratic leader in the north carolina house of representatives. thank you, all, for joining us. reverend, i want to begin with you. republicans of your state, the governor, governor mccrory, the
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republican leadership, right now if they're watching this broadcast, they're thinking to themselves, we got these bills signed, we pushed through our agenda. sure, we took hits in the press for us. sure, there are these people squawking on our lawn, but we win and they lose. why are they not right about that? >> they're on the wrong side of history. since we've been gathered these 13 moral mondays, less than one out of five north carolinians now agree with them. the numbers have plummeted. the government's numbers have plummeted. they have been labeled as immoral. they're not even republicans. these are not moderate republicans. they have attacked the sick. they've attacked women. they've attacked children. they've attacked the poor. they've attacked the gay community. they've attacked people of faith. they've attacked workers and that attack has brought us together. thousands of people, like you would never expect, in the south where normally these wedge issues divide us, have come together across racial lines, color lines, across class lines, across income lines and we are mobilizing like never before. you will see the biggest fight that you've ever seen since the 1960s. >> representative hall, my question to you is, what does this new voting restriction bill mean in concrete terms for the citizens of the state of north carolina? and also for, frankly, the democratic party? >> well, chris, we call it the
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voter intimidation vilification act and it's one that discourages people from voting, limits the time they have to vote, and more importantly limits their ability to register to vote. that's the key. 300,000 north carolinians don't have the proper i. d. now in order to be able to vote. this is going to discourage people from showing up at the polls. one of the most heinous things they have in this bill, it allows people who live in the county who don't have any idea who votes in precincts across the county to be able to come and challenge people and prevent them from voting without being put under a microscope and being intimidated by the elections officials. >> wait, anyone can just show up at a polling place and challenge voters? >> if they're appointed by the party chairman for their county, they don't have to have any familiarity with the precinct they go to. they can go and have voters
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challenged by the election officials at that precinct. >> and chris -- >> yes? >> that's exactly what they're doing is so bad because it's a crime against democracy. it's not just a black issue or white issue. not even just a democrat/republican issue. but they are literally creating crimes against democracy and attacking our most fundamental value and people in this state i'm somewhat amazed # that he thinks that he can get away with such an obvious 180 on this. i mean, we can play that tape. i wonder if that tape is being played in the north carolina media. are you surprised by how shameless this appears to be? >> well, no, we are not surprised when you look at the smokescreen legislation and the duplicity in their political strategy, i am not surprised. just as they are saying that the voting bill is about integrity, they are claiming that this
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abortion bill is about protecting women because their strategy to restrict our right to reproductive health care is illegal and constitutional. of course, they can't admit that. of course they can't admit that, so they're now claiming it's about protecting us. there's nothing in this bill that protects us. it restricts our access to insurance. it restricts -- provides one of the most broad, conscious provisions there is in the country. even a janitor or receptionist can refuse to provide services to a woman who is needing health care as a result of an abortion, even in an emergency. so this is not about protecting women. it's about restricting our access to reproductive health care and that, of course, is illegal and unconstitutional. so they have to couch it in other kinds of terms. >> reverend, so this has been -- there have been 13 moral mondays.
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this is 13th. the final this legislative session. i think i misspoke before about the number. the question is, they go into recess. what is next for this movement? >> moral monday goes home behind them. they run home, so we're going home. we're going to take moral mondays on the road. the first one is august the 5th in mountain mall monday. then coastal mall monday. on august 24th we're coming to d.c. august the 28th we're doing 13 gatherings and protests and rallies and organizing in the 13 congressional districts of the 13 congressperson in their 13 hometown. what these folk have done is constitutionally inconsistent morally, irresponsible and economically insane, chris. it is just so, so backwards, and they've hurt so many people that it's actually brought us together not for a moment, don't mistake, this is not momentary hyperventilation. this is a movement. in the south, when you see blacks and whites and people of faith and people of little faith, and labor and educators and gay and straight coming together and no longer allowing
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the white southern strategy to divide us, you can bet there's a movement afoot in north carolina. we believe it's going to spread across the south. >> here's my question for you, representative hall. this is the final question here, and senator bryant, if you want to answer this as well. i have heard from moral monday protesters i've spoken to, and i do not count reverend barber among them, frustration with the state democratic party. they felt like the state democratic party was being steam rolled by the republican party and there was no opposition. they were not concerted enough in fighting them and that the moral mondays arose to fill a vacuum. i'm curious what you think about that and if your strategy changes now going forward? >> well, our strategy certainly changes going forward because we have more north carolinians who understand the issues. the democratic party has been fighting, and if you look at the votes that were taken on the voter vilification intimidation act, as we call it, if you look at the votes that were taken on that as well as votes that were taken later in the session, you'll see that the democrats in the house of representatives are together and we are moving forward. now we have north carolinians await. this administration basically came to power on a bait and switch strategy, so it doesn't surprise us that they lie.
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they said they were going to create votes for -- excuse me, jobs for north carolina. they said that was their purpose and that's what they do. the session is over. they haven't created not one job. and so we're going to move forward to replace them and get people back in power who really believe in the future of north carolina and they'll take us forward. >> chris, the genius of this movement that reverend barber has led is the moral and -- the moral focus own the faith-based focus. it has brought together people who haven't even been paying attention to government. i've got e-mails from people who say, i've never paid attention to the legislature, and as a result of moral mondays, i'm listening to the debates on the internet, on the live stream and on the internet. i'm coming up here every week.
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this is a broader tent than we've ever had before. >> state legislatures, if you don't pay attention to them, they will get up to no good. state senator angela bryant. reverend barber from north carolina naacp. state representative larry hall. thank you, all. the reputation of the last pope was as a guy who was a bit judgey which probably is why this pope is making headlines around the world for the simple phrase, "who am i to judge?" that's next. ♪booking.com ♪booking dot yeaaaahhhh! ♪ (woman) this place has got really good chocolate shakes. (growls) (man) that's a good look for you. (woman) that was fun. (man) yeah. (man) let me help you out with the.. (woman)...oh no, i got it. (man) you sure?
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[ speaking in foreign language ] at least 3 million people packed copacabana beach in rio de janeiro yesterday to celebrate the final mass of pope francis' visit to brazil and hear him tell followers, they must, "be a disciple with a mission. there are no borders, no limits to what you're called upon to do." pope francis proved he was doing things a bit differently than his predecessor by taking a notably compassionate stand toward gay priests. when asked by a member of the press about so-called gay lobby inside the church, he said, "when i meet a gay person, i
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have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. if they accept the lord and have good will, who am i to judge them? the tendency is not the problem. they are our brothers." this statement is just the latest rhetorical and symbolic break with pope benedict xvi who stepped down in february. wrote a document that called for banning from the priesthood, men who are actively homosexual, have deep seeded homosexual tendencies or support the so-called gay culture. as a lefty, raised in the church, myself, i have to say at least once a week i find myself saying i really like this guy. joining me now is former congressman, tom perriello, democrat from virginia, president and ceo of the center of practice fund. he launched several advocacy groups. i immediately wanted to talk to you about this. we had conversations about progressives in the catholic church and our interesting, tense relationship with the church. were you surprised by these comments by pope francis? >> in many ways, no. i think the two groups you're most likely to hear the word humility from are political leaders and religious leaders. they're the two groups least
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likely to mean it. i think with this pope, we're constantly impressed regardless of his theological positions that this is someone whose first impulse is to love. his first impulse is to be humble and not judge. he's someone who actually is quite skeptical of power which is an odd position for a pope. but having lived through the junta period in argentina and seeing the realities of what it means to be close to formal power and what you can rationalize, i think we see that throughout.
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and the fact is compassion is a key christian precept. >> here's what's fascinating to me about this. this statement. i want to talk about some other statements. he gave this entire press conference that was fascinating. you know, this is actually basically the church teaching on exact this issue. i mean, you know, it is not a sin to, quote, have the tendency. it is a sin to commit acts that violate god's law. i obviously deeply, deeply, deeply disagree with that. i find that a heinous teaching, in fact. i thought it was interesting, too, in some ways it showed that it's not that what pope francis is doing is doctrinally different than his predecessor. there's some force to the symbolic and rhetorical. >> as michael sean winters pointed out, he seemed to show more passion and anger about priests who drive fancy cars than about the issue of homosexuality. so much of it is emphasis. i think it's important for progressives not to get lost with where this pope is and where he isn't. for example, his position on
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women ordination in the priest. he did speak to john paul ii sort of backing a -- >> the quote on the ordination of women. the church has spoken and said no. >> right. there is plenty that progressives like myself will continue to find indefensible. i think what we do see is a pope who's fundamentally focused on issues of poverty and justice, and many people feared he would then overcompensate on the culture issues in order to protect his bona fides on the issues. >> here is the part of his conversation about gay priests that i thought was most interesting. he has just appointed batista rica, to head the vatican bank, who had been previously investigated for a gay relationship. he said the abuse of minors, for instance, is a crime. "one can sin and convert and the lord both forgives and forgets. we don't have the right to refuse to forget it's dangerous. the theology of sin is important. st. peter committed one of the greatest sins, denying christ, and yet they made him the pope. think about that."
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also when he says the abuse of minors is a crime and distinguishing the abuse of minors from a relationship between gay adults, it was a distinction that much of the church missed during the period in which abuse of minors was rampant. >> that's right. i think what he's talking about the priesthood, keep in mind, in a way it's easier for him to take that position on gay men in the priesthood because they have to be celibate anyway, whether gay or straight, as opposed to some of these issues of acts which the church will continue to struggle with. he also talks about the importance of not forgetting because you have this pain in the church of these scandals that have happened where the church papered over it and not wanting to forget the victims in these situations, either. and i think this is something, again, that comes out of the latin american experience of living through these periods of atrocities and wanting to go with forgiveness as the reconciliation programs in chile and argentina did. that doesn't mean forgetting. in fact, remembering is an
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important part of making sure the sin doesn't occur again. >> the big test for me, institutional question of how certain members of the priesthood are handled in terms of accountability going forward and whether actually things are brought to law where they belong. former congressman tom perriello. thank you. coming up, rand paul and chris christie are absolutely tearing the stuffing out of each other. get the popcorn and we'll bring you the latest. the shocking substantive fight for the future of the gop. that's coming up. s... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. now, everyone's in the spirit of sharing. hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend? no. [ male announcer ] share more. save more. at&t mobile share for business. ♪
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the people who want to criticize me and call names, they're precisely the same people who are unwilling to cut the spending and they are give me, give me, give me all my sandy money now. those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense. >> people have stopped being polite and started getting real in the republican party. that was senator rand paul, tea party hero of kentucky, and likely presidential candidate, going hard at the gop's neocon wing and throwing in a jab on disaster relief for good measure. paul was responding primarily to comments made by new jersey governor chris christie seen by many as one of paul's chief potential rivals for the 2016 republican nomination. chris christie criticized the party's libertarian shift on matters of national security at a recent panel discussion in colorado. >> this strain of libertarianism that's going through both parties right now and making big
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headlines, i think, is a very dangerous thought. >> christie took that shot in the wake of the house's vote to defund nsa bulk collection of phone records which failed by a narrow margin. christie's attempt to stamp out a growing fire of skepticism among the republican base toward everything from mass surveillance to foreign wars. a base that appears to be moving in a decidedly rand paulian direction. christie, positioning himself as the bona fide neocon alternative. saved his best attack lines for paul and his accolades. >> you can name any number of people who have -- he's one of them. i mean, these esoteric intellectual debates, i want them to come to new jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. and they won't because that's a much tougher conversation to have. >> you could not pick a more clarifying and stark fight for the republican party to have.
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on one side we have rand paul, the poster child for austerity and tea party domestic politics and champion of anti-neocon foreign policy. the other side, chris christie, a self-proclaimed so-called ed moderate and domestic issues. that's at best a partial truth. now apparently an unapologetic hawk. if you need further proof, here's chris christie channeling his inner dick cheney. >> the next attack that comes that kills thousands of americans as a result, people are going to be looking back on the people having this intellectual debate and wonder whether or not they put what our first job is, all of us, is to protect the lives of the people we serve. >> if this is the fight that awaits republican party in 2016, rand paul, for one, says bring it on. >> i didn't start this one and i don't plan on starting things by criticizing other republicans, but if they want to make me the target, they will get it back in spades. >> joining me now, matt welch, editor in chief of the libertarian magazine, "reason,"
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one of the best chroniclers of these foreign policy figures. i'm amazed it's gotten this raw this quickly between these two people. it is both shockingly out in the open and shockingly ideological. it really seems like there's a substantive battle happening about the direction of foreign policy in the republican party. >> republicans, the sort of establishment that's been interventionist, trying to shut down debates as we literally heard chris christie trying to do. we shouldn't have these intellectual debates, right? that's governed the party uninterrupted for 12 years. for the last three years has been rand paul, some of ron paul bringing these scruffy people across the aisle who have never been in politics before. the republican establishment hates that. doesn't feel good about that. and there's legitimately concerned, what you're going to see, in the words of peter king, republic chance are going to do with rand paul what democrats allegedly did with george mcgovern in 1972 and become snowden republicans which is a favorite new line of bill kristol and the like.
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so it's a legitimate fight. they are really, really concerned about this new direction. >> so here's what's interesting. i mean, rand paul i know what rand paul's politics are quite well. he's quite open about them. his father, he has much of the same politics as his father. his father is quite open about them. chris christie is not someone i think about in foreign policy at all. you have this great blog post, you cited an excerpt from a book, christie making a pilgrimage to see henry kissinger in 2011 when he is thinking about running, he said, i haven't given any deep thought to foreign policy. christie admitted. kissinger, don't worry about that, we can work with you on that. foreign policy is instinct, it's character. that's what foreign policy is. you make the point the interventionists find interventionists to cultivate and recruit. >> it's strange, right? if you care about foreign policy, you wake up in the morning, you're more serious than anybody in this room about foreign policy, why to you keep looking? not just chris christie with
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henry kissinger, it's sarah palin with bill crystal and the -- >> george w. bush. >> after he had become president. before that, it was john mccain. he was more experienced in foreign policy. they supplied an entire kind of ideological of working teddy roosevelt mythos to go along with his family pattern in the past. it is a strange tick. why are they doing this? one reason is simply that they're trying to win elections and have their policy preferences enacted in washington. they're playing politics. >> that's what everyone does. >> they're doing it better than libertarian noninterventionists are playing politics, certainly. but there's also something kind of creepy, i think, about wanting to fill the empty brains of charismatic politicians. >> part of it, too, i think particularly in this moment, this is -- here's a gallup poll about republicans if u.s. military force should be used to end the syria conflict. 64% of republicans said no. 31% of republicans said yes.
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i think there is this noninterventionist streak in the republican party. what i find fascinating, though, is i think it's also easy to overstate that, like, if you go back to that nsa vote last week, a majority of republicans wanted to continue the program. a majority of democrats voted against it. michele bachmann got down in the well of the house and talked jihad, jihad, jihad. >> right. >> and didn't want anything to do with this amendment. i do think it's an open question, really, where the base is. >> absolutely. it's an interesting thing, where more democrats voted for this but the action in initiating these things are coming from libertarian republicans like rand paul. and, yes, republicans when they're out of power suddenly get skeptical about its use. >> right. >> which is why this fight is actually important out there, right? because right now there isn't really any democratic action on the space where barack obama used to be. which is a critic of overreach in the war on terror. hillary clinton's not going to be bringing that game in 2016. the president obviously cannot. he's adopted a lot of dick cheney-style tactics. >> chris christie won't. >> chris christie certainly will not.
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there's an available politics in america because this sentiment on the left and on the right has been artificially tamped down by a foreign policy consensus and also by a style of debate exemplified by chris christie saying we don't want to have a debate, look at the widows, you know, scoreboard, we're out of here. we're seeing finally some pushback against that style. >> that's why i think this is incredibly healthy and i urge -- i urge this debate forward. i hope it gets even more intense. matt welch from "reason" magazine. >> thank you. we'll be right back with #click3. blam you should be a victim of someone else's mistake. we're lifelock. we constantly monitor the web so if any of your personal information is misused, we're on it. ♪ ow. [ male announcer ] call 1-800-lifelock or go to lifelock.com today. "that starts with one of the world's most advancedy," distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks,"
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last week, president obama spoke about the need to raise the minimum wage and provide working americans with a better quality of life. today, fast food workers around the country said enough is enough. they cannot survive on $7.25 an hour. we'll talk with some of those workers coming up. first, i want to share the three awesomest things on the internet today. we begin with criticism fox news style. style. esteemed religious scholar is author of the new book "zealor." he'll be on "all in" tomorrow to talk about it. "slate" calls the single most
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cringe worthy embarrassing interview on fox news. >> now, i want to be clear, you're a muslim. why did you write a book about the founder of christianity? >> while you pick your jaw up off the floor, raza asan offered a calm and sane response. >> i am an expert with a ph.d. in the history of religions, but i have been obsessed with jesus -- >> it still begs the question, why would you be interested in the founder of christianity? >> the ten-minute interview is worthy of a double facepalm and new internet meme. #foxnewslitcrit. twitter users imagine fox interviews with noted authors of the past. "mr. kafka, you're clearly a human being. what makes you qualified to write about giant cockroaches?" even old will shakespeare chimed in, "how did i write "a midsummer night's dream" when i was not an invisible fairy?" the second awesomest thing,
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boston red sox slugger david ortiz argued balls and strikes, was not surprising to see big poppy unleash his rage at the man behind home plate. this poor dugout telephone never had a chance. the internet, no stranger to turning something absolutely terrifying into a digital loop gave us this gift. also joining in the fun were some red sox teammates who constructed a vintage replacement complete with cans and string. big poppy, himself, showed a lighter side the following day when he playfully pretended to once again commit first-degree murder against mr. telephone. the winner of the day was the tampa bay rays' twitter feed. "wanted, steel alloy telephone with kevlar cord. will spare no expense." third awesomest thing, dying is easy, comedy is hard. a website put together a 4 1/2 minute supercut of "saturday night live" cast members throughout the ages absolutely losing it on live television. the laughter is truly infectious. though these are trained professionals, it seemed
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impossible for any human being with a pulse to keep a straight face during something like this. >> somewhere in the distance we heard the pounding of native drums. [ laughter ] was it in our minds? we don't know. >> for a television institution chugging along for 38 years, good to know we're not the only ones laughing. find the links for tonight's #click3 on our website, allinwithchris.com. we'll be right back. we also produce natural gas. that's how we make our living and that's how we can pass the land and water back to future generations. people should make up their own mind what's best for them.
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and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. if you have a fast food lunch plan today, your plans might be interrupted. there are hundreds of angry fast food workers walking off the job this afternoon. >> that was part of the afternoon news today in st. louis, missouri. this was the scene there. hundreds of striking workers and their supporters gathering to protest for the right of fast food workers to join unions. the same story played out in kansas city today, 160 people marched on a local burger king. only manager-level employees were on duty. across new york city, organizers say hundreds of workers walked off the job today. the simultaneous strikes and marches were designed to kick off a large nationwide movement.
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organizers say will continue to spread to cities all over the country this week. this is a story we first covered in the very first week of the show. back then, it was only happening here in new york, but since then, the movement of fast food workers demanding a living wage and the right to organize has exploded. it's gone national, and it is still growing. this week's strikes come on the heels of the president's renewed campaign-stale push on the economy just last week. that included a call to raise the minimum wage. >> because no one who works full time in america should have to live in poverty, i am going to keep making the case that we need to raise the minimum wage because it's lower right now than it was when ronald reagan took office. it's time for the minimum wage to go up. >> president followed up that speech with an interview with "the new york times" this weekend in which he identified inequality and lack of social
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mobility in this country is defining issues of our time. saying "if we stand pat, if we don't do anything, then growth will be slower than it should be. unemployment will not go down as fast as it should. income inequality will continue to rise. the central problem we face and the one we face now, the immediate crisis is over, is how do we build a broad-based prosperity?" today, this week, as washington slumps toward an august recess with no sign of a minimum wage bill in sight, the folks trying to make a living on minimum wage in this country are taking matters into their own hands. >> i've been working here at burger king for two years and at pizza hut for eight years. my mother, she worked for the same industry. i watched her struggle raising me and my siblings. >> i'm still completely broke. even with living with my mother. >> we do the job. we serve more. >> in a multibillion dollar industry where they're making record profits, literally billions and billions of profits in recovering from the rescission and the workers on the bottom are making poverty wages. >> rent is $700. gas is $50. electricity is $50. coffee is $50. and i only make $409. i'm at a deficit.
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>> i'm working 15 hours a day which puts me away from home 17 hours a day. you talk about watching your kids grow up overnight. i don't get to see my kids for consecutive days because i work two jobs. >> the right to organize is a human right. increasing the minimum wage is only the humane option we have. >> joining me now, tsedeye gebreselassie, a staff attorney with national employment law project. kareem starks, an employee at mcdonald's. and gregory, a former delivery driver for domino's who works with fast food forward. we did reach out to mcdonald's and domino's to invite them on the show. they have not taken us up on the offer. the offer still stands. kareem, you're on strike. if there's a mcdonald's executive watching this right now and thinking to themselves, we have hundreds of thousands of employees, there are some folks who are disgruntled, what do you say to them? >> what do i say? i say it's time to take a stand, like, it's time for us, as, like, a union, as one, to just speak up and say what's right. like, it's not right we're
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making $7.25 and work twice as hard. >> you said in one interview i read with you that you are -- that there's a squeeze on you because they're trying to do more with less workers. that you have noticed a speedup. the amount of work that you have to do now is more than it was when you first started. what's going on there? >> what's going on is they're just cutting back. like, they cut back on hours. they cut back on employees. and, you know, great employees like myself have to work twice as hard. like, i might be forced to do job one or two, or be forced to make burgers and, you know, do the grill. and at the same time, it's not fair. it's not fair that i have to work twice as hard and i only make $7.25. >> you're making minimum wage right now. >> right now. >> how long have you been working there? >> i've been working there going on five months now. >> okay. i want to talk to you, gregory, about what happened to you at domino's. you decided to engage with the strikes. you were quite vocal. you participated in three strikes.
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then what happened to you? >> on the second strike, everybody in my store come out my store under strike. they retaliate and set up meetings across the union. >> retaliated, tried to scare you, started talking to your co-workers. >> finally they fired me. >> they fired you. >> they fired me. they found an excuse that was not proved, but they fired me. >> this is -- i mean, what's happening right now with folks like kareem and gregory going out on strike. when you hear that story, kareem, are you worried about your job? >> not at all. >> why not? >> i feel like i've been worried how to figure out how to pay rent, get food on the table. there's nothing you can do to scare me right now. >> it's scary enough to be making minimum wage. >> exactly. it's scary enough to figure out that every month i might just be able just to make rent, you know? not even get food.
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so how scary is that not having food for your kids? >> if the allegations of what gregory is saying are true, obviously i don't have domino's here to counter that. there's another side to that story. i want to give that due credence. if they are true, that is illegal. you cannot fire people because they are organizing for their rights. >> right. i mean, workers in this country have the right to engage in protected, concerted activity to better their working conditions. but the -- >> explain what that means. that means even if they're not in the union -- >> even if they're not in the union, workers in the country, you don't have to be in a union. you can come together with your co-workers and say, i want higher wages. i want to better my working conditions. protest against unlawful working conditions. the problem is workers have this right in theory, but in practice, employers retaliate against workers. most of the time it goes unchecked because there isn't this type of community support and national media, you know, surrounding these types of strikes.
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i mean, one of the reasons why there's such a decline in strikes over the last decade is because workers have everything to lose from striking and employers have everything to gain. >> right. >> from retaliating. it's really courageous for know, go out on strike, to organize their workers and to face the consequences and to not be afraid. >> what do you hear -- yeah, what do you hear from -- what are your interactions with management like? when you go to work tomorrow, what is that going to be like? >> nobody really says anything to me, like, i go in and i do my job. like, i try, you know, to stay professional at work at all times. so nobody really says anything to me, but other employees, they might feel like they can scare them and tell them they'll get fired behind closed doors or pull them to the side and be, like, you could lose your job for, like, organizing. but, you know, i try to educate everybody on the situation. >> the employers say, look, if we pay you a living wage, our business doesn't work. what do you say to that? >> you know, minimum wage at $7.25 an hour is so far below
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what employers used to pay. the minimum wage used to be almost $11, had it kept pace with inflation. economists across the political spectrum agree the reason why job growth is slow is because consumers don't have money to spend because they're making poverty wages. >> i want to say, show a bit, rick berman on fox business, rick berman is a hired gun essentially of various agencies, this is him arguing for why you shouldn't make more money. take a listen. >> at $15 an hour, many, i won't say a majority, but many fast food restaurants are out of business. the business model just doesn't not support those kind of wages, and if people are feeling that they're not being paid
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we're talking about the fast food strike under way across the country tonight. at the table, tsedeye gebreslassie. kareem strikes. gregory. congresswoman maloney from new york. >> great to be here. >> i want to get your reaction to the bite i played. if people are feeling they're not being paid adequately, find a place someplace elsewhere where the business model pays
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higher wages. what's your response to that? just go get a higher wage job. >> you know, i work for mcdonald's for, like, five months. before that, i worked for the parks department, climbing trees. i made $10.25 more than what i'm making now. so i've had a better job, and i was never in poverty like i am now. but whoever is, like, against it, obviously ain't ever made $7.25 and never tried to budget paying for two kids and an apartment and bills and food all for $7.25. >> my sense, gregory, if there were jobs available that paid higher wages, you would be happy to take them. >> yeah, i would be happy. the point is, it's not these type of opportunities for everybody. there's not a lot of people what can really go out and find these type of jobs. that's why people have to live on $7.25. >> congresswoman, it's fairly unusual to find members of congress walking the picket line. there were a number. why were you out there? >> i was looking for you, chris. >> i was prepping this segment. >> we were out there to show solidarity, to become inspired for the fight we have before congress.
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it would raise the minimum wage to $10.10, over 3 years, 95 cents a year. the president even in 2009 was calling for minimum wage increase in his state of the union and, of course, last week in illinois. it's a priority of his. it's a priority of ours. we're working hard to pass it. >> in the past, raising the minimum wage, you've been able to get some republicans to vote for it. there was a minimum wage raise under george w. bush that happened. there were a number of republican votes. is the republican party, do you think you can find people on the other side of the aisle who would vote for this bill? >> i believe it merits bipartisan support and we'll certainly be working to secure it. you're not going to secure it if you don't try. >> that doesn't occur to me very much. >> we're going to try. we're going it try because it's too important and talking to greg and kareem, you see the importance of it. i believe you're working two jobs. >> yes. >> he doesn't have time to sleep. he's working two jobs and it's hard. >> i actually work the overnight shift last night and i'm here now. >> thank you for coming in.
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>> i just, like, want to thank everybody for the support. >> tsedeye, when i was talking to kareem and gregory about this idea if you want a better job, get a job that pays a higher wage. what is happening right now in this economy, i don't think this is under-appreciated, the jobs are being created at the bottom of the wage scale. that's where the jobs are. you went from $17.50 an hour to a job that pays minimum wage. that is a trajectory that many americans are experiencing. >> kareem's story is the story of our economy. we have hemorrhaged these decent paying jobs. what's taking its place are jobs that pay low wages like fast food, retail. they're also jobs where real wages are actually declining, you know, since -- >> out of the 3.2 million low-income jobs, two-thirds of them are women. women are disproportionately in
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these low-income jobs. >> they're also adults. that's the other thing. >> they always say they're teenagers. they're not. most of them are -- >> were your co-workers, your co-workers, the image is, like, oh, these are teens on summer jobs. your co-workers were supporting families? >> yeah. >> there's a few co-workers i know that has kids and supporting families and paying bills and stuff like that. i mean, it's probably -- mcdonald's and fast food chains usually target younger kids or whatever, but at the end of the day, there are still older people that have these jobs. there's, like, a 60-year-old lady in my store. >> the median age for a fast food worker in this country is 29 years old. >> wow. >> that is an adult. the other thing the industry says, these are stepping stone jobs. >> you could rise up in the ranks. >> that's just not the case. there's limited opportunities for advancement. >> people from 50 years old, they'll be working in these companies. imagine those people supporting families. >> will you quickly show that mobility graphic? 2.2% jobs in the fast food industry are managerial, professional and technical occupations. >> the vast majority, 90% are
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frontline occupations. the median wage is $8.94 an hour. >> compared to all industries, 31% -- >> it hasn't gone up in four years. >> tsedeye gebreselassie. kareem starks. gregory. and congresswoman maloney. that's "all in" for tonight. the "rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening, melissa. thanks to you at home for staying with us the next hour. rachel has the night off. this is then-candidate for governor in north carolina, pat mccrory in a debate trying to convince voters in north carolina to vote for him. here he is as a candidate. >> if you're elected governor, what further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign? start with you, mr. mccrory. >> none. >> all right. can't really ask -- can't really do a follow-up with that one. >> that was a pretty clear

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