tv Morning Joe MSNBC July 31, 2013 3:00am-6:01am PDT
welcome back. earlier in the show, we asked you what celebrity or politician you would send packing if you could. schultz has some responses for us. >> we just have time for one. donald trump, the kardashians, john boehner to whichever planet will accept them. >> well, see, since nelson really took a swipe there, broad swipe, we only really need to do one there. the kardashians? i don't know if we can live without the kardashians. "morning joe" starts right now. >> at a certain point, you've got to say, look, i don't quit. new yorkers don't quit.
i'm not going to go into the corner and curl up because someone found out something embarrassing about me. you see what's going on here today? if you become mayor of the city of new york, you'd better put up with this every single day, people saying, you know what, you did something we don't like, cameras in your face, back down, quit. that's not the kind of man i'm going to be. sir, i say to you in all due respect, if you do not like to vote for me, don't vote for me, but don't deny these people the right to vote for me if they want to. >> okay. good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." >> little known fact, mika. >> what's that? >> before approaching senator barack obama in 2006, robert gibbs had been pressuring anthony weiner to run for president of the united states. anthony said no, said he was busy and couldn't do it, and so he reluctantly went to barack obama. >> there you go. with us on set, former white house press secretary and msnbc
contributor robert gibbs. is that true, robert? >> no, i wouldn't want anthony weiner to be president of the local rotary club. >> there we go, all right. msnbc's thomas roberts. >> good morning. >> you're a little too obsessed with the house lines. we're going to have to talk. >> i know more than just the jersey works. i know about all of them. >> oh, my lord. >> and jim cramer's here. he's mad. >> host of cnbc's "mad money." we haven't seen you in a long time. where have you been? >> my morning show is really killing me. >> and what a day to come in, "the wall street journal" talking about corporate tax cuts on the table. >> and we need them real bad. >> people talking about a grand bargain. who knows? maybe the president gets infrastructure spending in return for corporate tax cuts. >> business better get behind this instead of just abandoning the president. this is what's needed. people are moving to ireland.
a lot of big companies moving to ireland, low taxes. >> a lot of people are saying no. we'll start with anthony weiner's campaign, things are heating up with just one more month to go. >> speaking of which, "the daily news," a public service for those who live outside the tristate area. we should let people see. i guess he's going to do a porn movie. anthony weiner text lady. >> she was on howard stern and said she's keeping her options open. >> you know everything, thomas. >> what is wrong with you? all gossip. >> i'm swimming in the big pond here. i want to come prepared. i want to know what's in the know. i can tell you from pine valley to pakistan, i got it covered. >> pine valley. what show is that? >> "all my children." >> exactly. >> awesome. >> i'm bringing you to northwest florida. it's going to be fun. >> i'm big there. >> they love you there. >> i used to live in ft. myers.
>> of course you did, and that has nothing to do with northwest florida. >> is that where you did that stand-up about britney not being able to get her latte. >> that was in malibu. >> with just one more month to go until primary day, anthony weiner is pressing on with his bid for new york city mayor. after losing his campaign manager this past weekend and dropping to fourth place in a recent quinnipiac poll, the former congressman is vowing not to drop out of the race. >> did i look in the mirror? yes, i did. you know who i decided to vote for? anthony weiner. i decided i've got good ideas. i decided i'm not beholden to the political class. i decided that i have shown a level of independence in standing in front of you today? do you think it was easy? do you think i -- okay, let's go and talk to these good people, bring 50 cameras, knowing i'd get this question. i'm trying to say yes, you know some things about me, more than any other candidate you'll know ever in your life, more than you want, certainly way more than i want. so i don't know if i'm going to
win. i don't know if i'm going to come in second or third or get no votes at all, but i'm going to stay in here and keep fighting for what i believe in, and you're welcome to not vote for me. >> he's going to keep going on here. >> wait a second. just really quickly, it's a pretty good performance, right? come on. >> i will say this, this might not be popular. there is no other candidate in the country currently in fourth place that we're going to spend any time talking about, and i think if we want him to go away, we just have to let him go. he gets his oxygen off of us. >> i know. >> i think we should just let him go. this is way too important of a race. >> you know who he's sounding like? >> who? >> he's sounding like the person who drew up those posters in spencer gifts in the '70s where a dove would be flying, and it said, if you love them, let them go. >> he is right. >> if they come back to you,
they're yours. >> there's this whole thing with the -- do i have to read this? >> you have to read everything weiner. everything. everything spitzer. >> it's an inflated story. >> do a public service and go to something that is remotely relevant. >> you know why, we can tell you're not from new york city, come on. >> there's one thing anthony weiner is not in danger of, and that is being the mayor of new york city. that guy can vote. you can do whatever you want. i can assure you of only one thing, he's not going to be the mayor. >> weiner's campaign was overshadowed yesterday by his communications director. in an interview with the website talking points memo, the female staffer unleashed a tirade of expletives aimed at the former intern, calling her a freakin' -- i'm not going to say what he called her. among other things. it was in response to an article the intern wrote in the new york daily news describing her experience with the weiner campaign. she said staffers joined the
team simply to get close to his wife huma and hillary clinton. this is actually -- and by the way, the reason he got upset at this, jim cramer, is -- and by the way, if he were connecteded to some third rate congressman somewhere, but this isn't hillary's world. sorry. this isn't hillary's world. and you know why he got so angry because the truth came out that, if anybody's working on his campaign, it's to get close to his wife so in 2016 a good word might be spoken, and they could be on hillary's 2016 campaign. >> that's a lot of work to get close to hillary. >> that's why he became so enraged, that the truth came out. >> it makes sense. there's a winner, and why not try to get in that pantheon. it's got to be done now. you've got to make your move right now if it's going to be important for 2016 to get your name recognized. >> i don't disagree, but it is like watching the kardashians
and a car wreck all on the same tv. >> it just doesn't go right. >> it's very interesting while we sit here and bathe ourselves in moral rights. just a couple of days he was going to be the run-off, and we found out from quinnipiac he's in fourth. i've seen political campaigns before where things move around pretty quickly. and bill thompson, who we'll have on the show later, coming in at 20%. anthony weiner at 16% he was polling right now. that could really, if he does step out of the way, where do those numbers go? it's anybody's race. christine quinn at 27% now, she is the front-runner, but not far behind diblazio, who was here yesterday, and thompson who will be here today. >> but it's just a few votes away. quinn, thompson, maybe they have a meth lab in new york city. you never know. >> and a gun was here yesterday.
>> i don't know. all i'm saying -- >> i want to talk about the soda ban. >> things are happening right now, mika, as we said, way away from weinerville in the republican party. chris christie and rand paul. >> thank you for letting me skip all that. >> getting ready. >> that was nice of you. >> getting ready for 2016. >> it's a war of words between governor chris christie and senator rand paul. there's no sign that either side is ready to back off. chris christie criticized rand paul's position on nsa wiretapping, saying the senator should, quote, sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. paul took offense, saying it was, quote, sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims. paul then took aim at politicians in new york and new jersey over hurricane sandy. hurricane sandy aid, saying the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude was
draining the federal government. christie and paul -- what's wrong with him? christie and paul continued that fight yesterday. >> i find it interesting that senator paul is saying -- accusing us of having gimme, gimme, gimme attitude towards federal spending. maybe senator paul could deal with that when he's trying to deal with the reduction of spending on the federal side, but i doubt he would because most washington politicians only care about bringing home the bacon so that they can get reelected. >> this is the king of bacon talking about bacon? he's making a big mistake picking a fight with other republicans because the republican party is shrinking in new england and the northeast part of our country. i'm the one trying to grow the country by talking about libertarian ideas of privacy and the internet. attacking me isn't helping the party. he's hurting the party. >> a poll out in iowa shows rand paul is out in front with 6%.
christie is tied with jeb bush and paul ryan with 13. all within the margin of error. for any politicians, it doesn't make a lot of sense to attack chris christie. he's got approval rating in the 70s. he loves a fight. >> he does. >> i want to say this -- and we're good friends with chris christie. >> we are. >> and he's losing weight. this has nothing to do with his weight. >> he looks great. >> my grandma in dalton, georgia, always said this. never get in a fight with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig likes it. i'm making no reference -- people say, oh, you're talking about -- no, i'm talking about chris christie likes fighting. >> he likes mixing it up. >> rand paul, he's daddy's boy. i'm sorry. he's grown up -- i don't know if he scratched and clawed his way to the senate. i'm glad he's there. i've got a libertarian streak in me. you don't want to screw with chris christie. >> he's adept at it given his
background. he knows exactly how to fight a fight. >> i think it is interesting to watch. this is the beginning of what i think will be increasingly regular mix-ups between the names you just mentioned as the jockeying begins for 2016. the party has been out of national power or will be by the time we go to 2016, for eight years. mitt romney, obviously, not a particularly strong nominee. there's been a bit of a voice vacuum in the party, and there's going to be a lot of jockeying as we get toward that. i do think what is interesting, we've kind of lost the subtext of what started this was, as you mentioned, the libertarian views and national security and nsa, which i think will be interesting in both parties how those things sift out, not just for 2016, but over the course of the next month as we get into fall, and we have bills to make that program more transparent.
>> jim, it's always hard too if you're a libertarian and you're a senator, as chris christie basically said, you're still bringing home the pork. new jersey is a donor state. they pay out a lot more than they give back. kentucky gets $1.51. i think chris christie said. >> was there anyone who wasn't hit up in jersey to give money to the shore? i know i was repeatedly. i have a place down there. i had a lot of fish on my grass but didn't get hurt that bad. there's still towns boarded up. christie, for every dollar he got from the federal government, he pressed the flesh to get more. it was a public/private partnership. i can't believe what he was able to rebuild. >> he was instrumental in raising money. >> if you went down in april, you would not believe what it looked like versus memorial day. this guy did a full court press to get the beach open, so did his wife. >> mary pat did a great job. does this elevate chris christie to the level of looking like he's a true contender?
is especially when it comes to having sharp tongues within the gop. >> that's a great question. >> fantastic. >> the question is, and let's open it up here, who's helped more by this? is chris christie elevated as a governor to the national level, or is rand paul one of 100 senators elevated for taking on chris christie? >> i think christie likely got the better of this four or five-day exchange. i don't know that either of them would see that as a bad thing. if you're rand paul, you got to be the libertarian that's for personal freedom and against spending. if you're chris christie, you watched even the beginning of that press conference, he does a masterful job of reminding people he's not from washington. when he's asked a question, he gives a plain answer. so i think each one of these guys comes out of this pretty much okay because, again, this starts the jockeying. >> from a deep bench. >> we do have a deep bench for
2016. there's going to be a lot more jockeying. there's probably seven or eight legitimate people that can claim the nomination. >> robert, can you explain for people at home, the jockeying in earnest has already begun. >> absolutely. >> people go, why don't you talk about this in december of 2015? because guess what, they started talking about this the night your boss got reelected, and this all has an implication. >> and as cramer said, there's political talent that ultimately has to be hired. that political talent wants to get noticed. these people want to hire the best political talent. they want to appeal to activists, absolutely. the jockeying has begun. >> i want to get to the soda ban. president obama is proposing a new grand bargain on spending on infrastructure projects while offering a lower corporate tax rate. it was panned by a local newspaper's editorial board, who suggested the president take his jobs plan and shove it. >> that is not southern
hospitality. >> that is rude. why would they write it that way? i don't like that. >> that's where mitch is come. >> that explains a lot. >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell called it a further left version of a plan he already proposed two years ago. thank you so much. you really -- i don't know. there's something so -- what's the word that comes to mind when i think of mitch mcconnell? he works with people. >> lovely. he does work with people. >> never, never. >> all the time. >> when has he once? >> he quietly works behind the scenes all the time to make america a better place. the president shot back at the supporters of keystone pipeline who claim the project would create thousands of jobs. the president said they were putting all their eggs in one basket. >> now it's time for republicans to lay out their ideas. if they've got a better plan to bring back more manufacturing jobs to tennessee and around the country, then let me know. i want to hear them. wasting the country's time by
taking something like 40 meaningless votes to repeal obamacare is not a jobs plan. it's not a jobs plan. we can't be getting into a whole bunch of fads and pretend like you roll back obama care, and suddenly all these jobs are going to be created because the middle class was struggling before i came into office. >> so, jim, i think you're right. >> that's a good point. >> if the president puts out a plan that specifically is going to do something significant for the corporate tax rate, if he's going to put out a plan that's going to help bring back a trillion or two dollars that's offshore right now and been offshore, that will be reinvested in the economy, and then gives that to republicans, and on the other side, he wants spending on infrastructure, he wants spending on r&d, he wants spending on things that are actually investments in the economy, then who knows? maybe we can get a deal, and
maybe you can have ceos calling up and going, hey, you know what, i've got a great idea. why don't we make our corporate tax rate competitive with every other industrialized nation instead of having the second highest corporate tax rate in the world? >> just to speak, paragon, maker of knock-off drugs -- that's when you go to cvs, the brand at cvs. they spend $8 billion to buy an irish company in order to be able to move their domain from the united states to ireland. this is the trand. >> why do they do that? >> because 12.5% is way lower than the 30% we have. a right wing plan? this is the best plan the president has offered. >> what is our corporate tax rate? >> most people are paying between 25% and 30%. >> instead of paying 30% in the united states, they can go to ireland and pay 12%, 12.5%. they can go other places across the world, pay the same, even
less. if their margins are thin, they're going to do that. >> absolutely. this is the way to raise earnings per share, which is what companies want to do. they want their stock prices higher. a lot of guys have options. this is a terrific plan because most of the guys who have -- who are important in terms of the president, in terms of creating jobs, they have billions and billions and billions in cash. every report shows $2 billion, $5 billion, $12 billion, $30 billion. and none of it's here and it can't be traded because the tax bill is humongous. this is a great plan. >> we've been hearing, robert, since 2009, early 2009, people around the table saying there's 2, $3 trillion on the sidelines. if we can just get that money back in the united states, reinvest it, our economy will explode. this isn't completely lined up with that, but you lower the corporate tax rate and you give incentives to get that money back in the usa? >> it is, in fact, i think the
lynchpin of this entire plan. you've got bipartisan agreement that a corporate tax rate -- the corporate tax rate needs to come down because the example that cramer's giving, not only do you pay that if you're an american company, not only do you pay that tax in ireland, but if you want to bring that money back, you also have to pay corporate tax rate on the profits that you bring back to this country. so the lynchpin of this plan is, as you said, 1.5 to $2 trillion of corporate profits that are sitting overseas, that's the funding mechanism for both infrastructure spending and reducing that corporate tax rate. so that's why the sweet spot of this is for $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion that's offshore, if you tax this at a one-time event at somewhere around 5% or 8%, which is sort of what has either been proposed or what we've done in the past, you're talking about $100 billion to $160 billion in revenue. that's, again, the grease that gets all these wheels moving,
with both the infrastructure spending and the money that's required. >> let's say $160 billion in revenue in return for $2 trillion to $3 trillion of american money coming home that can be reinvested -- >> that wants to come here. >> that wants to come here, and they want to reinvest in america now. you know why? they're seeing all the offshore fads doesn't make as much sense. build here, grow here, hire here. >> cheapest place. >> sell here. >> cheapest place. >> to build factories, southeastern united states. >> energy revolution. we've got it going. let's get that cash back and whatever it takes. >> what is the administration's strategy, robert, when four hours prior the president going to chattanooga to deliver this speech, mcconnell and boehner come out and kick it in the gut and say, this is nothing but two years old? is the president doing this to make a point, or is he really doing this to try to make an offer? >> i think the president wants truly to make an offer because, you saw it yesterday, the first
thing he had to do was change the definition in washington of what grand bargain looks like because it looks like the grand bargain that we imagined a year, year and a half ago on taxes and spending and everything is probably a bridge too far, if you will. this is a revised grand bargain. again, jim touched on this. i think, in a way, the president was speaking over the heads of those in congress, as he has a lot, to try to reach ceos, to try to reach businesses, to ultimately put pressure on the mcconnells and the boehners to say, look, we have an opportunity here. we have an opportunity to get something he wants and something we want desperately. again, we have the funding mechanism. when we talk about individual tax reform, it's hugely popular except, when you take that next step, every one of us is going to have something we don't want to give up, right? there's $2 trillion. >> it's popular until it's not. >> mika, we've got to go to break right now. >> what? >> we're going to be talking about this a lot more, but
there's a soda ban thing. unfortunately for you, judges out there -- >> it's not over yet. >> every single court it comes down, it is abundantly clear that they love jesus, and they love freedom, and they love big gulps. and i think for that, i think we're all a little bit better. >> new york city mayor michael bloomberg has promised to keep pushing for a ban of large sugary drinks even though an appeals court is the latest chamber to strike down the law. new york state supreme court appellate division unanimously ruled restrictions on drinks over 16 ounces are illegal because the ban was implemented without legislative approval. the court concluded drinking soda is not inherently dangerous if done in moderation. the problem is nobody does that. when we were little, we drank milk, water, orange juice, and once in a while you had a soda. >> the court also took issue with the board of health saying it ruled selectively on what kind of stores could sell larger
sizes of sweet drinks and which could not. the policy is also on compromises made with businesses, not health concerns. >> coming up on "morning joe," the moderator of "meet the press, david gregory joins us. >> it's his first time on the show. he's never been on. >> mayoral candidate bill thompson will talk to david axelrod. and later, hall of fame football player cris carter with his new book on how football players became the most compelling players in pro sports. and the decision in on bradley not maing. the mixed decision and howie wikileaks founder julian assange reacts to the hearing. >> i have a four or five-page editorial i'm putting out later. >> what's it look like on the east coast? still raining in the southeast, joe. wrapping up july, putting it in the books. atlanta is getting drenched this morning with more rain.
what a month it's been in the southeast. it's been hotter in the northeast than it has in the southeast. july weather pattern cool in the great lakes and hot in the wet. how are we looking out there this morning? i mentioned the rain in the southeast. already had about 15 inches of rain in florida this month. i mentioned the rainfall already in atlanta. get ready, charlotte, richard mond, and eventually up to d.c. today's forecast, rainy in the southeast. some of that will sneak through north carolina into d.c. a few storms around chicago. still hot in texas, and your august preview for the month ahead, for a lot of us, the last month of summer, still looks to be the same. hot in the west, rainy in the southeast, and a little bit cool in the great lakes. this weather pattern is stuck and doesn't look like it's going to change any time soon. what a nice sunrise over new york city, looking at new york harbor and the world trade center there. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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let's take a look now at the morning papers at 28 past the hour. new york times investigators are now saying the driver in the deadly train crash in spain was on the phone when the train went off of the tracks. >> good lord. >> francisco garzon received a call on his work phone from spain's national train company informing him of what route to take. according to the train's black box, he appeared to be consulting a paper document at the time of the derailment. the black boxes also show he was going 119 miles per hour before braking, more than twice the speed limit. garzon is charged with 79 counts of homicide. and from our papers, the "chicago tribune," facebook is as close as it's ever been to reaching its initial public offering, price of $38 since going public last year. stock closed at $37.63 after
climbing nearly 7%. and "usa today," the uk parliament will call on representatives from twitter to address harassment on the social media site. this comes after a series of high profile british women were targeted by twitter users with threats of rape and other acts of violence. >> the thing is -- and you've seen this firsthand. people just call me a lot of real linas ly nasty names, but n this business and other businesses get threats of assault and a lot of just -- >> lewd talk. >> lewd, and also rape. it's really harsh. >> remember the guy that was sending me all those pictures, the guy from jail. >> of himself naked? no, wait. that was a cameraman here, wasn't it? >> no. >> i was joking, guys. just joking. >> oprah's in the news. look at that. "l.a. times," oprah's cable
television network is finally beginning to turn a profit. o.w.n.'s second quarter numbers are up 30% from this time last year. new shows from producer tyler perry are helping the network see ratings success. how exciting. >> and "usa today," walmart has pulled a popular workout supplement off the shelves after reports by the paper raised questions about its safety. i used this stuff, and it would actually -- >> who would buy? >> i used it, and it actually causes hair to grow on your knuckles, and it just really -- >> that's gross. the product is called -- >> i'd be like, hey, kids, so daddy -- and you've got the hair -- it's like my hand has beards. it's called craze, and it drove me crazy. i don't know. anyway, can we just go back to the paper? show the paper. it's made by the same man who's facing a federal charge for marketing weight loss pills made from a toxic pesticide.
i never really understood this, mika, because a toxic pesticide actually does help you lose weight if you drink enough of it. >> why don't you just stop taking that. moving on to more papers. bradley manning is not guilty of aiding the enemy. still despite being let off on the steepest charge against him, the former intelligence analyst was convicted on 20 others and could face 126 years in prison. >> i don't think that's going to happen. >> nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski reports. >> reporter: bradley manning came out of court appearing as he just dodged a huge bullet. manning was found not guilty on the most serious charge of aiding the enemy, but guilty on 20 other counts, including espionage, computer fraud, and theft. manning was accused of leaking 700,000 secret documents to the wikileaks website. military prosecutors argue that manning aided the enemy because many of those documents wound up in the hands of former al qaeda
leader osama bin laden. but the judge ruled that, while manning was negligent, there was no intent to share the secrets with the enemy. the defense claimed manning first set out to reveal abuses by the u.s. military in iraq. in a pretrial statement to the court, manning admitted he leaked this classified video of an apache helicopter attack in iraq that killed a number of insurgents and two innocent civilians and said he was troubled by the american crew joking about the killings. >> the most alarming aspect of the video to me, however, was seemingly delightful bloodlust that they appeared to have. for me, this seems similar to a child torturing ants with magnifying glasses." >> reporter: wikileaks owner julian assange says their owners will fight the conviction on the charges. >> it's a serious abuse, and it will mean the end of national security journalism in the united states as we know it. >> reporter: and legal experts predict manning's convictions
will have a chilling effect on future leakers. >> the government is very, very serious about protecting the status of classified information, and people who disseminate it are playing with fire. >> all right. >> that was nbc's jim miklaszewski reporting. coming up, "sports illustrated" cover boy alex rodriguez explains why he still wants to be a role model despite the constant controversy surrounding him. >> role model? >> yes. >> i don't think so. >> okay. we'll be right back. >> no one is quite sure which side won or lost, but the baseball strike is over. >> today a sign at the baseball park in chicago said it best. >> more than 700 games were
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actually playing baseball at the moment, a-rod, alex rodriguez. take a peek. he graces the cover of the new "sports illustrated." while the title says "the last days of a-rod," in this interview, he tells the magazine, despite the allegations of performance enhancing drugs, he still wants kids to look at him, saying, "i have two daughters at home, and i'm sensitive to that. and above all, i want to be a role model, continue to be a role model, especially my girls. so all the noise sometimes get on my nerves, but that's it. i can't let it get any farther than that." meanwhile, major league baseball has informed the players union it will suspend rodriguez and eight other players this week for ties to the clinic. most players will receive a 50-game suspension, but the yankees slugger is expected to face a much harsher penalty. let's get you up to speed with last night's games, starting with yankees and dodgers. game was tied in the ninth, but ellis lops one off to right.
dodgers are 10-1 since the all-star break. pittsburgh pirates, game one, check out this pitch by mccutcheon. the game would stayed tied into extras. then in the 11th. >> bounced off the glove of the pitcher into left field. walk it off! >> yes! >> walk it off! >> yes! >> a hunk-a-hunk of burning love. the pirates are in first place. >> pirates win game one and game two of the doubleheader to pass st. louis in the central division. pittsburgh now has the best record in baseball. >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> fabulous. >> in the american league -- cramer likes that. in the american league, the boston red sox have traded for star pitcher jake peavy from the white sox. red sox looking to add another arm to their rotation after losing clay bucholz to injury.
the orioles not lgiving up. they let their guard down in the third. >> he stole home plate. >> catches the pitcher sleeping, steals home. doesn't get easier than that one, but the orioles will get the last laughs. chris davis, his first home run since the all-star break. baltimore wins 4-3. finally for the florida marlins, even celebrating doesn't come easy. take a look. this is pitcher chad falls. he takes a dive while going for the ball. not a pretty sight. it's never about the mistake, it's about the recovery, and look at that. he does the roll. he gets back up. it's a good dismount. >> russian judge, 8.5. >> marlins would lose in extra innings 4-2. up next, mika, you and the must read opinion pages. >> here we go. >> it's exciting. these better be good. >> it will be. helicopthierhis hibuzzing, andk engine humming.
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you know, sometimes people say to me, this campaign is pretty rough. you may want to quit. i know that there are newspaper editors and other politicians that say, boy, i wish that guy weiner would quit. you don't know new york. certainly, you don't know me. quit isn't the way we roll in new york city. >> okay. time now for the must read opinion pages at 45 past the hour. in "the norew york times," maurn dowd at it again. she writes this, "quit is the way to roll." >> it's two great tastes that go great together, as the old reese's ads go. for robert gibbs, he loves the weiner story.
he loves maureen dowd. here's maureen dowd talking about the weiner story. >> aside from being a gift to clowns, hacks, punsters, rivals, and the writers of "the good wife," carlos danger is also a gift to political scandal survivors. his behavior is so outlandish and contemptible, the sort of thing that used to require a trenchcoat and park, that it allows eliot spitzer and bill clinton to act huffy. weiner continues to play the rebel without a pause. he shrugged off reports that the clintons, who have been christened the careless daisy and tom buchanan of politics, regard him, in the words of f. scott, as the foul dust floating in the wake of their dreams. i am not terribly interested in what people who are not voters in the city of new york have to say, weiner sniffed about the first couple of westchester. at an event tuesday evening in times square with advocates for new yorkers with disabilities, the 48-year-old seemed tired,
slight, and young as he was thronged by the fierce hydra-headed press beast. he looked as if he were running on raw will. he apologized for being late, saying something about the time, space continuum. one man stood up and said he had been let down once when weiner was a queens congressman and backed away from a bill he had promised to pass. how can i trust you, he asked? the question lingered in the febrile air. >> look, weiner is -- you got kids, you want him to quit. if you have kids, this is just one of the worst things that you have to deal with, and this guy encourages it. we're all trying to be as parents to get a lot of the nonsense of the cell phone under control, and here's a guy who just basically says to your kids, fire away, kids. >> every parent with teenagers. >> he's a nightmare for parents. >> huma abedin, weiner's wife, has taken extended vacation from
working for hillary clinton and that that was planned before. >> i don't believe that. do you think she's been told, mika, she needs to separate from the campaign, hillary clinton's efforts, until this is cleaned up? >> i think there's no way to separate this from the clintons. there's too many parallels. >> yeah. isn't this really bush league, though, for two people that are very savvy in politics, like a huma abedin and an anthony weiner to continue down this path when they know they're just beating their head against a brick wall and allowing their marriage to be eviscerated in the public eye? while they're out there, maybe some people they're meeting are grateful that his name remains in the race, it seems like the balance for the cost of what it's going to do to them personally is not worth the professional payout. >> i think it might even look arrogant at this point. >> if he washes out, it's over.
>> you don't think he gets a tv show? >> oh, yeah, other than a "real housewives of westchester." >> what about a game change? >> i think the real problem is, unfortunately, if this were to go on, we need to hear more from huma as to why. i understand she made the statement that she forgives him, and i thought it was extraordinary. i really did. i thought that must have been incredibly hard. no matter what her intentions were -- i don't want to debate it. it's not our business -- but why? why does she forgive him? why is it okay with her? >> i don't know. it's just so horrible. >> i don't know. i don't judge. i do want to know why. if you're going to ask for support from the media and from voters, you do have to give a why, i think. >> i don't want to know. i'm done. he's going to finish fourth. >> he's going to finish fourth. you said this. if he drops out, he's toast. if he finishes fourth, i mean,
worse thing than dropping out, he needs to finish fourth. >> for her career, she needs to say why. her career is valuable. >> if carlos danger came out and said, look, this is how we get our thrills. i'm not going to condemn myself. it's no big deal. here's why i'm qualified to run this city, speak to the middle class. carlos danger is my private life, so no big deal. but he's coming out publicly condemning himself asking for forgiveness. right now it just looks like a permission tour. >> take the phone away. >> the bottom line is older people vote more than younger people. i always had younger people say, why don't you advertise on my radio station? because you don't vote. like 2% of you vote. i know, if somebody is over 60, i have their record, they've been voting. so i'm going to put my ads on the reruns of the lawrence welk
show, maybe not that. and the fact is this is too creepy for people that are older than our children, and our children will go, yeah, you know, stu in tenth grade started doing that. >> gross. >> it's gross, but for older people, this is just too freaky. they're not going to get past it. i just wish -- the only thing i wish is that robert gibbs would stop obsessing on it so we can move forward. let's try to do that now. what's next, mika? let's move forward. up next, an inmate in arkansas is on the lam. we'll show you how an accomplice helped him bust out of jail. that in "news you can't use" next on "morning joe." "i'm part of an american success story," "that starts with one of the world's most advanced distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers,"
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give us something we can't use, not useful. >> this is not video of teresa guidice and her husband chuck, but they could learn a thing or two. arkansas police are trying to track down an inmate who's armed and dangerous after he slipped out of a county jail. he's on the phone. he's faking out the guards. he's been behind bars on more than 20 charges, including aggravated battery. he slips out. you see him on the phone. he makes the dash over the counter there. the part you don't see is the other inmate distracting the two
deputies. then he's out. track star out the door. then there's the deputy. he rups out to a waiting car. there was a getaway car. the passenger door was open. he jumps in. he's out of there. but he jumped through the little countertop there, and then he's out. >> oh, my lord. >> poor guy. and he had him by a mile. i mean -- >> look how fast he is. >> he is out of there. >> he's got some wheels. >> so is he gone? >> he's gone, and he's considered armed and dangerous, and they're still looking for him. >> isn't that amazing? >> the getaway car. it's all about the getaway car. always have the getaway car. >> let's take a look at jimmy kimmel because he's loving the skills of a deejay and his unusual pren 'tapprentice. take a look. >> you're about to see a deejay named deejay gray boy and his french bulldog mama doing something a dog can't possibly be able to do. ♪
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thanks for watching a day in the life of a new york post headline writer. >> i thought that was lewis dergdorf. that's how he works. >> what a great life. >> welcome back to "morning joe." robert gibbs is still us. and joining us at the table is msnbc contributor mark barnacle. editor in chief of the daily beast, tina brown. >> what are you laughing about? >> nothing. >> i want to know about this headline. what headline? >> in the daily beast? you want me to tell you about it right now? it's not nice. it's got a bad word in it. >> really? >> we're all full of it today. >> it has many asterisks when you read it. >> do you want to start there? no, i want to start with chris christie. >> don't we usually do this before the show? >> we could talk about that also. have you seen what ted cruz is doing? he's just going crazy on republicans. it makes me sad when republicans say bad things about other republicans. ted cruz is attacking anybody
that's not willing to shut down the government over obamacare. he's lambasting fellow conservatives like tom coburn and saying he serves in the, quote, surrender caucus. a guy comes in -- and i've got to be very careful about what i'm going to say. i'm just going to say ted cruz comes in obviously so completely ignorant about the war that tom coburn has been fighting for 20 years, and to say something like this about tom coburn, ted cruz, he is a total train wreck. he is comparing mitch mcconnell to barack obama. he is attacking tom coburn as
being a member of the surrender caucus, when tom coburn, and yes, senator cruz, and i put our political lives on the line more in six months than ted cruz will put his on the line in a lifetime. >> if i were ted cruz, i would be extremely cautious about getting into the ring with tom coburn. ted cruz would end up being kid candle in that fight. one blow, and he will be out against tom coburn. >> they've written an article in the daily beast about this whole trend now about not the small government conservative, but the no government conservative. that's what tom cruz is a member of. this is the taliban. >> like rand paul taking on chris christie. >> rand paul would never take on chris christie. but how stupid is it to push for a fight -- marco rubio was doing it last week because he still wants people to forget he supports citizenship for illegal immigrants when he's speaking on hispanic radio stations, but
it's just absolutely insane to talk about shutting down the federal government, robert gibbs. barack obama right now is losing the battle of obamacare. you can look at all the polls. he's losing every day. the numbers go down more. republicans are in a winning position and holding a winning hand. if they shut down the federal government because they want to defund obamacare tomorrow, robert gibbs, the president would love that, and it would be a disaster for republican candidates. >> please, sir, don't throw us in the briar patch. first of all, it's nutty. so it's hard to figure out where to begin. you see smart conservatives saying this is nutty. this is the litmus test now. somebody sets the bar as shutting down government for this, and you see people like mike lee saying, well, if we
don't defund it and you voted for the funding bill, that means you support obamacare. >> come on. >> it's a litmus test. >> there's nothing to do anymore because how do you bribe these people to go away? how do you pick them off one at a time to shut them down? >> not in this case. in this case, it's a handful of people who want to run for president of the united states, who are woefully ill-equipped to be president of the united states, and they're trying to see how far out right they can go. we need a smart conservative to talk about this. you know what, i think we've got one in washington. in case of emergency, break glass. we broke the glass two minutes ago, and look who came out. it's oklahoma congressman and all around smart guy, joining us from capitol hill, republican representative tom cole. hey, tom, you know what you get when you put tom cole and ted cruz together? >> what do you get? >> tom cruise. >> i hope not.
>> anyway, tom cole. >> and he hopes not. >> and he hopes not too. tom, we've been through a government shutdown, and that didn't work out well. in this case, it would work out even worse because we've got actually the president in a pretty defensive posture on obamacare when you look at the poll numbers. what do you think about ted cruz running around saying, if you don't believe in shutting down the government right now, you're a member of the surrender caucus, saying that about your -- >> i guess i'm in the same fox hole with tom coburn. very proud of him, by the way. >> that's a good fox hole to be in. >> that's a very good fox hole to be in. we want to obviously get rid of obamacare. we all voted against it. we voted multiple times to delay it and repeal it. but you had it right earlier, joe, where this changes the subject from something that we're winning to something where we'll lose. this is just nonsensical to change the focus on obama care
right now when you've got howard dean in "the wall street journal" saying the central cost control element, the payment advisory board, won't work. americans are finding their premiums going up. there's lots of things we can do. we should go after the medical device tax. it's not very popular. democrats don't like it either. this is much more a program that you take care of with a thousand cuts. by the way, winning some elections would help too. if we had a president romney and we had the majority in the senate where they seem to be anxious to tell us how to use your majority in the house, maybe we can get something done. the focus should be on winning seats. we have a good chance to do that in 2014 and continuing to fight on a day by day basis, but shutting down the government, putting millions of americans out of work, inconveniencing tens of millions of more, that's just simply not a winning strategy. >> this is, i heard quite a few people say, this is the political equivalent of pickett's charge. >> pickett had a better chance. >> he had a better chance.
he had a better chance. he raeally did. you look at some of these guys and realize, as they said yesterday in commentary, that pickett's charge is not the reference to a civil war battle like gettysburg, pickett's charge is now becoming actually a republican governing philosophy, and it is insanity, tom. i'm sure most smart guys and women in the house who are republicans agree with you, right? >> i think they do. i look at the number of voices speaking out, when you've got people like tom coburn and roy blunt and richard burr coming out there forcefully, senator cornyn saying, this isn't really a good idea, i'm really heartened by that. again, i applaud the goal. it's an admirable goal. it's just not the way to get there. and i like the enthusiasm and the energy, that's all great, but this is an argument for
having a little bit of experience and a little bit of caution, and frankly putting the best interests of the american people first. if you think about this in terms of what's best for individual americans, it's very difficult to arrive at this as the solution to that question. >> while you're here, let's take a look at what else is going on. a war of words between governor chris christie and senator rand paul. chris christie originally criticized rand paul's position on national security and nsa wiretapping and said the senator should sit across from 9/11 orphans and widows and rethink his position. rand paul said that was weak to hide under the umbrella of 9/11. and then he took a shot at hurricane sandy aid, saying the
gim gimme, gimme, gimme attitude was draining the federal government. >> i find it interesting that senator paul is accusing us of having a gimme, gimme, gimme attitude toward federal spending. maybe senator paul could deal with that when he's dealing with the reduction of spending on the federal side, but i doubt he would because most washington politicians only care about bringing home the bacon so they can get reelected. >> this is the king of bacon talking about bacon? he's making a big mistake picking a fight with other republicans because republican party is shrinking in new england and in northeast part of our country. i'm the one trying to grow the party by talking about libertarian ideas of privacy and the internet and attacking me isn't helping the party. he's hurting the party. >> i don't really understand what rand paul was just saying because you're talking about the northeast part of the country. chris christie is the bright shining star in the northeast. he's got a 75% approval rating in new jersey. there was a part of the clip
that was cut off there in the middle l where chris christie helpfully explains. you talk about a gimme, gimme, gimme attitude, new jersey is a donor state. they give back 75 cents for every dollar they put in. whereas kentucky, where rand paul is from is gimme, gimme, gimme, they get $1.50. so kentucky gets $1.51 for every dollar they put in. so what he was saying is, if rand paul is really concerned about gimme, gimme, gimme attitude, we'll take some of your money because right now we're giving more than we're getting back. so, tom, this underlines a bigger battle which started with nsa wiretapping and just a general pathway the republican party is going to go. there's a real battle l about where we're going to be on civil liberties, where we're going to be on foreign intervention. rand paul obviously has a libertarian view. is he outside the mainstream of the republican party? >> honestly, i'm sorry that this
got a little bit personal between the two because, frankly, this is a debate worth having. it's an important debate, and it's not particularly a partisan debate. the majority of democrats actually voted with rand paul on this issue and against barack obama and their own leadership in the house. the majority of republicans actually supported the president's position. >> how did you vote on this one? >> i voted in favor of keeping the nsa program. i think we're going to review it and change it probably, but this would have ended it. you're talking about we've stopped over 50 attacks. every member in both parties who served on the intelligence committee voted in favor of this. my friend tom coburn, who serves on it now, delivered a spirited defense of this program. i'm going to go with the people that actually know the program and looked at it. but, look, i actually applaud the people that brought up the other concerns because this is a big debate. this is the classic debate in america between liberty and security. we ought to have it. we ought to constantly have it. look, we've seen no abuses with this program. it's interesting to me that,
after all of snowden's commentary, he didn't show us any abuses. nobody's come forward. that doesn't mean none have occurred, and that doesn't mean we shouldn't have some safeguards, but shutting it off completely, that invites an attack, and it's not responsible. >> congressman, a final question for you. so the president's talking about a plan, a grand bargain that really moves more away from what we've been -- the grand bargains of the past have been about the fiscal situation, balancing the budget. this looks like it's more about growing jobs. he said, hey, republicans, we will agree to cut corporate taxes, something important to businesses across, and maybe we can get some of that $2 trillion, $3 trillion that's offshore and get it back to the united states, and in response you agree to spending on infrastructure and other areas. of course, the plan was immediately panned. is there some way forward
between this president and the house if the corporate tax cuts are big enough? >> i think they are. we haven't seen the actual plan from the president. this was sort of unveiled in a campaign-like speech, but if it's as you described, joe, that we're going to lower the corporate tax rates and bring some money home, that will produce revenue and go toward a variety of things. if it's a false tax cut, that is, it doesn't really reduce revenue but is done in a way to increase revenue, i think that's a nonstarter. i think tax reform needs to be largely revenue neutral, as it was in '86, but then contribute to a rapidly growing economy, and that always generates extra money. at the end of the day, i think there is a way to find a bargain here. we could redistribute sequester cuts, go to the nondiscretionary side of the budget. we could do some things like this, and we both agree can score well and generate extra revenue. as long as the deficit keeps trending down -- and it's half
of what it was three years ago. republicans should take pride in that -- then we certainly have room for initiatives. do that over time, bring it toward balance, something you achieved in congress. >> four years in a row, first time since the '20s. it's good to see it's going in the right direction. thank you so much. appreciate you being here, tom cole, republican congressman from oklahoma. stay in that fox hole with tom coburn. he looks a little freaky when he starts growing the winter beard, but he shaves it off when he gets warm. >> he's my old client. i love him. >> tom, who really has become a big player in the republican caucus, by doing just the opposite of what ted cruz does. he doesn't go for cheap headlines. he actually tries to figure out how to get things done. says a grand bargain is possible. >> that is a very encouraging thing, i think, for both sides to hear.
they come at this, both sides understanding they have to do something about the corporate taxes. there's the repatriatatioion mo corporate tax money, the profits that could be brought back and used to lower the tax rate and provide needed infrastructure investment at a time when our economy needs it. it will be interesting to see if there's enough in this for everybody to take yes for an answer. >> before we go to break, tina, you have a piece you've written in the daily beast. what's that word? what is that supposed to be? can you tell me later? anyhow, end the damn whatever manship. think about some of our prominent women in washington right now, can you ever even imagine, forgive me, secretary kathleen sebelius uploading a -- oh, my god -- of herself on instagram, or janet yellen
ordering up male hookers during downtime at the federal reserve? it's preposterous. perhaps we need a sexual dui test developed to tell us what is likely to happen when middle-age ed libido meets a whf of power. the trouble with carlos danger and his ilk is they're not just a danger to themselves but a danger to everyone else. one look at the humiliated face of the elegant huma abedin, spear carrier for hillary clinton's women's empowerment message, will tell us that. >> the fact is you just begin to wonder, what is it with these guys? they cannot keep it zipped up. it is really extraordinary. you have to say we haven't had one scandal really involving a woman in power where they're doing these kinds of things. it's really incredible. part of it is this extraordinary narcoticici narcissism. one of the things that fascinated me about congressman weiner, he writes to sydney
leathe leathers, do me a solid and erase these messages. after six months together online, she's going to disappear herself, sure, i'll disappear myself now, which is all kind of this wild ego maniacal attitude toward involvement with other people. you have to wonder, what is it about the hormones that has to be kept in check? what is the opposite of viagra at this point? >> that's a good question. i will say much smaller on the scale of responsibility for sure, but all these guys have women who are willing players in all of this. do you see what i'm saying? >> it's absolutely incredible. i'm always just fascinated, just as i am these guys of 82 are getting married to women in their -- it's absolutely wonderful. the idea of an 82-year-old woman dating a 20-year-old. it's preposterous. i think it's just the disease of
our times. in a way the sort of toxic testosterone is the disease of our times, and maybe it's fueled by the internet. i see a great silence descending. >> it's an awkward conversation, but it's real. what? >> this is not new to 2013. what if wilbert mills had a twitter account. wasn't he the ways and means chairman? hold on, hold on. he went skinny dipping in the basin? >> the reflecting pool. >> in the reflecting pool with a stripper. this has been around since '71, '72. >> he didn't want to get caught. he didn't want to put that out on the public airways. >> that was alcohol in wilbur's case. >> i don't think it was an awkward silence. anthony weiner, he's mentally ill.
he's a mental patient. >> my awkward silence is i'm done with this. the only way anthony weiner gets what he wants, which is attention, is we give it to him. >> right. >> i'm for not giving it to him. i'm for moving on to let's talk about the guy in arkansas that broke out of jail. i'm for anything, please, but anthony weiner or carlos danger or any of that. >> i hate to give everybody bad news. >> he's not going to win. he's in fourth place. >> i hate to give you all bad news. we all have children, and i certainly have never seen it with mine because, thank god, my oldest boy hates facebook. i can never get him on the phone. he is a luddite. but this is the future. if you don't think teenage kids in high school and college and middle school aren't doing exactly what anthony weiner is doing, then you are living in a cave. >> ethan, if you are awake, turn
the television off. turn it off. >> but, parents, you can turn it on and listen to this because this is happening. it's happening every day in middle schools. it's happening every day in high schools. it's happening every day with your college kids. what they are sending, what they are sending to friends would absolutely horrify you and make anthony weiner seem tame. >> having teens and college aged kids will humble you from being judgmental. >> it's certainly true, but at the same time, they also consider him a joke. at the end of the day, they think he's a creepy old man. >> i'm just saying we're acting like he's from mars, and i'm picking up on your he's mentally ill. yes, we all believe he's mentally ill because we were all dorn -- >> because he's alien to us. >> we were all born prior to 1993. this is not alien. it may seem stupid to people in their teens and 20s, but they
understand what's going on because their best friend did it three weeks ago after they had a few drinks, and now they're trying to get sally's reputation back at ridgemont high. >> i agree. i'm not talking about the act, the snap chat, the pictures and all of that. i'm talking about his mental illness as he conducts himself in the aftermath of being caught. >> i absolutely agree. we have a great piece today by patricia murphy who talks about his first press conference on june the 11th, where he tells 68 lies in five minutes. >> he should run for office. >> yes. >> bill thompson will be here, mayoral candidate for new york. and up next, senator saxby chambliss and david gregory, moderator of "meet the press." >> some people say to me, this campaign is pretty rough. you may want to quit. i know there are newspaper editors and other politicians who say, boy, i wish that guy
in that short-term budget, fund the government, keep the lights on, pay the military, make sure social security checks go out. the only thing you shouldn't do is you should not fund and pay for obamacare. the pushback we get from that from some people, well, that's crazy because that means you're willing to shut down the government over obamacare. the way i see it, if we pass a budget that pays for everything except for obamacare and the president says he'll veto that, it is he who wants to shut down the government. >> for those of you in this body who are, in fact, opposed to obamacare, i ask you, how can you oppose to be against it and yet fund it? consider what might be said about this. defund it or own it. if you fund it, you're for it.
>> if only it worked that easily. i like mike an awful lot, but it's just not that easy. sorry. little nuance is required every once in a while and hopefully won't make ted cruz's teeth hurt. with us now from capitol hill, republican senator from georgia and vice chair of the senate select intelligence committee, something that ted cruz doesn't have, senator saxby chambliss. also in washington, the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. i am so offended, saxby chambliss, by so few things, that it really takes ted cruz and others -- it takes a lot of work to offend me. i've seen a lot of demagoguery on capitol hill, but the suggestion that saxby chambliss and tom coburn and republicans in the senate either vote to shut down the government or they support obamacare is one of the stupidest, most demagoguic
arguments i have heard in my 20 years around capitol hill. who say you? >> you know, i appreciate ted cruz's enthusiasm and what not, but you and i know tom coburn. you and i know the other conservatives that came in '94, some of whom are still in the senate now. we've been down that road. we shut down the government, you remember it well -- >> yes, we did. gl and we got our butts kicked over shutting down the government. is it a fight worth having? sure, it's a fight worth having. obamacare is going to be a disaster for the american people. but what we ought to be talking about, joe, is spending. we're spending way too much money. if our folks really want to get united behind something that all republicans agree with and that we have a strategy to move forward on, it's spending.
obamacare, the parts of obamacare that are kicking in are the mandatory parts. there's not much we have jurisdiction over that we can control in this cr. plus we've got a president that's never going to sign any bill that doesn't fund it. >> we don't want republicans maybing the same mistake we made when we shut down government and basically reelected bill clinton. this is something that can be done. front page of "the wall street journal." i talked to a lot of republicans on the hill this morning who were optimistic about the president's words when it comes to corporate tax rates. tom cole said, if he's really serious about cutting corporate tax rates and making american business more competitive globally, then he's all ears. let's figure out a way towards a grand bargain. do you agree? >> i agree 100%. he didn't go far enough, but, look, he made the right step.
whether it was bowles-simpson, gang of six, we all agreed that one thing that would really invigorate or energize this economy is major tax reforms. take down the corporate side. if we move to a territorial system and allow our corporations in america that earn money overseas to bring that money back, pay their taxes overseas like they should, bring that money back to the united states and invest it here, that's what's going to create jobs. so when he mentioned repatriation, that's a major move and a major step and something, again, i think we can all agree on. so let's hope that he's serious about it. >> robert gibbs, i'm hearing just so many positive comments this morning from republicans talking about the possibility of a deal if the president is serious about tax reform. >> what senator chambliss just mentioned, this was a step for
the president to embrace and to put on the table bringing that money back at a rate that is far lower than what the corporate rate is in law now. so i do think it is a big step. i think it's good to see that the morning after, there's wiggle still left in this thing to talk through. i think that's a good thing. i have a question, if i could for you, senator chambliss. you're the vice chair, as joe mentioned, of the intelligence committee. how did the vote last week to potentially defund the nsa programs, how do you think that affected what might happen in the fall in terms of more transparency required for these programs to continue to exist? did that change the environment a bit? >> what changed the environment, robert, is the snowden matter. this guy has done more damage to the intelligence community of the united states than all other spy cases combined, in my opinion. it has been extremely
detrimental. the fact that now people have the opportunity to know the sources and methods that we use in the world of cloak and dagger is truly something that's going to take us a while to get over. what it did do, frankly, is give those folks who are dead set against programs like this more ammunition to go against the intelligence world. and the vote in the house is kind of hard to predict in a way just because right now the house operates in ways that sometimes we're not sure exactly why they're doing what they're doing. >> yes, sir. >> but on the senate side, i think you're going to see a very vigorous debate. i think it will be in the right framework and we should have a
debate over these programs. we've had that debate before. i think this will ensure we'll have that debate on the senate side. that's the good news about it. >> we've had back to back republicans, tom cole and senator chambliss both indicating, sort of in positive language, they would be receptive to elements of what the president of the united states said yesterday. what, in your estimation, is the biggest difference between this proposed grand bargain that has been articulated and the grand bargain of two years ago that almost came to fruition? >> i think there's a difference in how grand it is. i think they're trying to find some bargain rather than a grand bargain, and tilting it in favor of the corporate tax reform relief is something that's going to appeal to republicans. the white house knows that. it's the back end of it that seems to be very problematic. the president wants to use some of that new revenue created for spending programs. i still don't know how you get that through because he's tried
different incarnations of that. but this is a pathway you ultimately follow, which is you do something to appease republicans enough to give them enough breathing room to try to make some deal with you and see how far that gets you. >> we shall see. >> david, you're exactly right. the major difference between what the president said yesterday and the republicans believe, we believe the private sector should create those jobs, not the government. if we take that money, and instead of taxing it again and spending it from a government perspective, if we invest that money through those corporate endities here in the united states, that's what will create the jobs, and that's what will invigora invigorate. >> david gregory, let me ask you. we've got a lot going on right here. right now it seems to be ted cruz and a couple of other people against the world. marco rubio still trying to distract people from the fact he
supports citizenship on immigration reform. but you've got ted cruz and mike lee -- obviously, i understand why mike lee is doing is. ted cruz wants to be president next week. it seems to me they are actually giving the republicans in the senate and the house an ability to be centered, an ability to look reasonable, an ability to actually triang late against some of the more extreme elements in congress, and i don't think i've seen this before where so the have spoken out against such a good idea. >> i agree. what we're seeing in the senate is this kind of thawing in the senate. you've seen immigration. you see senator chambliss talking the way he's talking this morning. i don't think the dynamic has changed in the house. whether it's senators cruz or lee or paul, they're giving more
sustenance to conservatives in the house who are like minded and trying to push the republicans in a different way. even to the senator's point, when you have such little spending going on in the private sector, even though corporate profits are up, who else but the government has the sort of scale to create jobs through spending? i think this is where the philosophies and the ideologies are clashing at a time when you're trying to create more jobs. >> senator saxby chambliss, david gregory, thank you very much. tina brown, thank you as well. >> saxby, we need to get together sometime. i may come down your way, come down to your state. >> any time. i know a special place you want to come to, and we'll take care of you. >> saxby, of course, is talking about -- >> georgia-alabama in atlanta in december. that would be a great place. >> saxby talking about my favorite catfish restaurant that
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all right. 45 past the hour. here with us now, democratic new york city mayoral candidate bill thompson. in 2009, thompson lost the mayoral race to mayor mike bloomberg by five points despite being outspent by a margin of 14-1. >> you know what's interesting too, i would think you wouldn't want to talk about anthony weiner, but bill thompson said, listen, i will talk only about anthony weiner and anthony
weiner's problems because i want to continue this. >> he wants to give the story voice. >> you believe that we in the media haven't been talking about anthony weiner enough. >> you guys haven't covered that topic at all. >> why is that? do you think we're afraid of controversy? >> it's clear the media just doesn't want to tackle this tough subject. >> the tough subject. you actually were saying before, it's crowding out all conversation about what's going to be required of the man or woman who has to take the toughest political job in america when it comes to cities. >> absolutely. when you look at a race for mayor in new york city, it is a discussion about the future of this city, and right now we're not talking about affordable housing. we're not talking about education. we're not talking about the issues that are going to impact this city for decades to come. what the media is talking about is anthony weiner, and it has become a horrible distraction in this race. >> let's blow through some issues really quickly. last week we had the police
commissioner, a guy that i really love, i can only speak for myself. ray kelly came on talking about the need to continue the stop and frisk policy. do you agree with that? >> stop and frisk in new york city under ray kelly's leadership has been misused and abused. when you have almost in 2011 almost 700,000 people who were stopped and frisked, 600,000 of them were black and latino, and most of them were stopped for no other reason than who they were and what they looked like, there is something wrong with that. >> so you think stop and frisk as enforced by the police department is nothing other than racial profiling? >> i think stop and frisk, as being used by the police department -- stop and frisk is a tool. i haven't said abolish it. i said it needs to be amended, needs to be fixed. so proper training eliminating quotas or performance goals as part of this, using it correctly, going to a new era of community policing and putting more of our experienced police officers in high crime neighborhoods. that continues to drive crime down. >> how do you fix that? yeah, obviously, it is offensive
if you're an african american male especially and continually being stopped, but you don't go to the cops and say, hey, listen, if you're going to stop an african american male, you need to find a white guy on the corner and stop them too. >> if you say give me five stops a day in that area, that creates a situation. it's a policing tool. officers with the proper training know who to stop or know what situations to use to stop. with the constitutional safeguards provided, it is used correctly. right now it's not being used correctly. >> he makes links to something we've been talking about in the news. last sunday you said that trayvon martin was killed because he was black and that the nypd's stop and frisk policy is driven by the same kind of bias. >> it is the institutional suspicion of young people that is kind of put in place because of blacks and hispanics that are stopped because of that. as i said, i've talked to a number of police officers who say, i know who to stop. don't tell me i have to make a certain number of stops each day. let me do my job.
>> what do you think -- what are you worried would happen if this policy continues as is? >> what you're seeing right now are black and latino communities all across the city of new york who have been -- who are no longer as close to the police department, the relationship has been frayed. >> yeah. >> if anything, you could improve relationships. you could have the community working closer with the police department, and i think that's what everybody wants, to be able to keep that relationship. >> i talked to someone recently who went through a stop and frisk, and he says he and his brother were in a car, and four cops came up, asked them to come out, frisked them. they started to panic, thinking perhaps maybe the cops will put something in the car. like they could just -- it really threw them off completely. he says he's never been the same. >> so let me ask you this question. critics of the position you're taking say, well, african american males create a disproportionate share of the crime in new york city. jesse jackson famously once
said, and he regrets saying it, sometimes when he's walking down the streets of new york and young african american males are behind him, he gets nervous. what do you say to those critics who bring that up? >> that becomes part of the way that people are as a society. and in new york. we have to start to evaluate how we look at people based on who they are. i think that's all part of how all of us start to look at things. i spoke about things as a black man in new york city, but i think that all of us have to look at how we evaluate. >> so let's talk about education. michael bloomberg obviously very aggressive on reforming schools. i take it that you are not completely lined up with michael bloomberg's positions on education reform. what do you disagree with the most? >> i think what we've had is an extreme focus on standardized outcomes. it has robbed our school system of content.
it has become about memorization. >> don't we hold teachers accountable? >> absolutely -- and students accountable. we're all part of that equation. when you focus on jouust standardi standardized content, you see more of our college graduates who can't do college work. we need to bring content back into the system. >> what do you do about this issue in this city of growing separation between people of different incomes? there's a widening gulf. a widening income gulf. much of it, according to some people, is rooted in education k through 4. you go around the city, okay, how do you get washington heights k through 4, astoria k through 4, to be equal in terms of what they give to the child as the upper west side k through 4? >> trying to bring more pre-k in
and start children earlier. it's looking at k through 4 and smaller class size. trying to bring children on level by the time they finish grade 4. it's everything from extended day with those young children to give them more time on task. all this is focusing on early grades. pre-k through kindergarten and fourth grade. >> and really quickly, soda ban? >> it always was a bad idea. i'm concerned about -- >> you had me at stop and frisk. >> i love you. >> if you're concerned about childhood obesity, and i am, we should be focused on education in the schools -- bring physical education back to the schools. >> yes, make those kids run. okay, and listen, by the way, let kids run. by the way, you will not limit -- i got a really important question. you will also promise me if you're mayor you will not limit the size of hot dogs street
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at a certain point, you've got to say, look, i don't quit. new yorkers don't quit. i'm not going to go into the kosh corner and curl up. you see what's going on? if you become the mayor of the city of new york, you've got to put up with this every single day. people saying, you did something we didn't like. change your mind. back down. quit. that's not the kind of mayor i'm going to be. sir, i say to you with all due respect, if you don't like to vote for me, don't vote for me, but don't deny these people the right to vote for me if they want to. >> good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 on the west coast, as you take a live look at new york city. >> look who's here. >> i see you, joe. >> with us on set, thomas gibb, thomas roberts and cnbc's jim cramer. >> what a day for you to come in. "wall street journal" talking about corporate tax cuts on the
table. >> and we need them real bad. >> people talking about a grand bargain. who knows. maybe the president did some infrastructure spending in return for corporate tax cuts. >> business better get behind this. this is what's needed. people are moving to ireland. a lot of big companies moving to ireland. low taxes. 12.5%. >> i think some people are already saying no. we'll start with anthony weiner's campaign. >> the daily news, we should let people see. >> what? >> i guess a porn movie? anthony weiner tex lady? >> she was on howard stern, said she was keeping her options open. >> you know everything, thomas. >> i'm swimming in the big pond here, i want to come prepared, you know, i want to know what's in the know.
i can tell you from pine valley to pakistan, i got it covered. >> pine valley, wait, what show is that? >> "all my children." >> exactly. >> awesome. i'm bringing you to northwest florida. it's going to be fun. >> i'm big there. >> they love you there. >> i used to live in ft. myers. >> that's nothing to do with northwest florida. >> is that where you did the stand-up about britney not being able to get her latte? >>s th s thathat was in malibu. >> anthony weiner is pressing on. after losing his campaign manager and dropping to fourth place in a recent quinnipiac poll, the former congressman is vowing not to drop out of the race. >> you know who i decided to vote for? anthony weiner. i decide i've got good ideas. i decided i have chosen a level of independence and standing in front of you today. do you think it was easy?
do you think -- okay, let's go to city island, let's talk to these good people, knowing i'd get these questions? i'm trying to say yes, you know some things about me more than any other candidate you'll know maybe in your life, maybe more than you want. certainly way more than i want. so i don't know if i'm going to win. i don't know if i'm going to come in second or third or get no votes at all. but i'm going to stay in here and keep fighting for what i believe in. >> i understand he keeps going -- >> wait a second. just really quickly, pretty good performance, right? >> i -- >> come on. >> this might not be popular. >> right. >> there is no other candidate in the country currently in fourth place that we're going to spend any time talking about today. and i will say this, i think if we want him to go away, then we just have to let him go. >> and things are happening now, as we seque away from
weinerville, in the republican party. chris christie and rand paul -- >> thank you for letting me skip all that. that was very nice of you. >> getting ready for 2016. >> war of words between senator chr rand paul and governor chris christie. governor christie originally criticized senator paul's position on limited defense spending. saying the senator should, quote, sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. paul took offense, saying it was, quote, sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims. paul then took aim at politicians in new york and new jersey over hurricane sandy. su hurricane sandy aid. saying the gimme gimme gimme attitude was hurting washington. >> i find it interesting that
senator paul is saying, accusing us of having a gimme gimme gimme attitude towards federal spending. maybe senator paul could deal with that when he's trying to deal with the reduction of spending on the federal side but i doubt he would, because most washington politicians only care about bringing home the bacon so that they can get re-elected. >> this is the king of bacon talking about bacon. he's making a big mistake picking a fight with other republic republicans, because the republican party is shrinking in new england and in the northeast part of our country. i'm the one trying to grow the party. attacking me isn't helping the party, he's hurting the party. >> okay. >> most recent poll out in iowa shows rand paul is in front with 16%. christie tied with bush and ryan at 13. all well within the margin of error. i sit back and i think it's just for any politician doesn't make a lot of sense to attack chris
christie. just doesn't. i mean, he's got approval rating in the 70s. i mean, he loves -- and this is -- i want to say this and we're good friends with chris christie. >> yes, we are. >> he's losing weight. this has nothing to do with his weight. my grandma, dalton, georgia, always said this, never get in a fight with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig likes it. i'm making no reference. people talking about -- no, i'm talking about chris christie likes fighting. >> he likes mixing it up. >> rand paul, daddy's boy. i'm sorry, he's grown up -- i don't know that he scratched and clawed his way to the senate. i'm glad he's there. i've got a libertarian streak in me. you don't want to screw with chris christie. >> and he's adept at it, giving his background. he knows exactly how to fight a fight. >> it is interesting. this is the beginning of what i think will be increasingly regular mixups between the names
you just mentioned as the jockeying begins for 2016. the party has been out of national power, or will be by the time we get to 2016 for eight years. mitt romney not a particularly strong nominee. there's been a voice vacuum. there's going to be jockeying. i think what is interesting, we've kind of lost the subtext of what started this, was the -- as you mentioned, the libertarian views, national security, nsa, those type programs. which i think will be interesting to watch in both parties, how those things sort of sift out. not just for 2016 but over the course of the next month as we get into the fall and we have bills to make that program more transparent. >> jim, it's always hard, too, if you're libertarian, and you're a senator, as chris christie basically said, you're still bringing home the pork. new jersey's a donor state.
they pay out a lot more than they get back. kentucky gets $1.51, i think chris christie said -- >> was there anyone who wasn't hit up in jersey to give money to the shore? i was repeatedly. i had a lot of fish in my grass but didn't get hurt that bad. but there's still towns that are boarded up. i think that christie for every dollar he got from the federal government, he pressed the flesh to get more. it was a public pride of partnership. >> instrumental in raising money -- >> he raised a lot of money. you would not believe what it looked like versus memorial day. put a full-court press to get that beach open. he did a remarkable job. so did his wife. >> did a great job. >> does this help elevate chris christie to that dialogue of looking -- >> if anything, rand paul did him a favor -- >> -- especially when it comes to having sharp tongues within the gop -- >> that's a great question. the question is, let's just open it up here, who's helped more by this? is chris christie elevated as a
governor to the national level or is rand paul one of 100 senators elevated for taking on christie? who wins that? >> i think christie likely got the better of this four or five-day exchange. i don't know that either of them would say it was a bad thing. if you're rand paul, you got to be the libertarian that's for personal free dodom and against spending. christie does a masterful job of reminding people he's not from washington. when he's asked a question, he gives a plain answer. i think each one of these guys is -- comes out of this pretty much okay because, again, this starts the jockeying. >> and it does -- by the way, for people at home -- >> -- deep bench for 2016 so there's going to be a lot more jockeying. there's probably seven or eight more legitimate people that can claim the nomination. >> robert, can you explain for peep people at home the
jockeying in earnest has already begun? >> oh, absolutely. >> people are like, can you just wait to talk about this till november 2015? guess what, they started talking about this the night your guy got elected. >> that political talent wants to get noticed. these people want to hire the best political talent. they want to appeal to activists, absolutely, the jockeying has begun. >> president obama is proposing a new grand bargain. the pitch was met by a raucous crowd in chattanooga but was panned across town, who suggested the president, quote, take his jobs plan and shove it. >> that's not southern hospitality. >> why would they write that way? i don't like that. senator minority leader -- >> that's where mechem's from. >> mitch mcconnell called it a
further left version of a plan he already proposed two years ago. thank you. thank you so much. you really -- i don't know, there's something so -- what's the word that comes to mind when i think of mitch mcconnell? he works with people. >> lovely. he does work with people. >> never, never. when has he once? when has he once? >> -- all the time to make america a better place. the president also shot back at supporters of the keystone pipeline who claimed the project would create thousands of jobs. the president said they were putting all their eggs in would be basket. >> now it's time for republicans to lay out their ideas. if they've got a better plan to bring back more manufacturing jobs here to tennessee and around the country, then let them know, let me know, i want to hear them. wasting the country's time by taking something like 40 meaningless votes to repeal obama care is not a jobs plan. that's not a jobs plan. we can't be getting into a whole
bunch of feds and pretend like roll back obama care and suddenly all these jobs are going to be created. because the middle class was struggling before i came into office. >> so, jim, i think you're right. if the president puts out a plan that specifically is going to do something significant for the corporate tax rate, if he's going to put out a plan that's going to help bring back 1 trillion or 2 trillion that's offshore now and will be reinvested in the economy, and then gives that to republicans, and on the other side, he wants spending on infrastructure, he wants spending on r & d, he wants spending on things that are actually investments in the economy, then who knows, maybe we cab gn get a deal. ceos going, i got a good idea. why don't we make our corporate tax rate competitive?
instead having the second highest corporate rate in the world? that's when you go to cvs. they spend $8 billion to buy an irish company to move their domain from the united states to ireland. >> why? >> because 12.5%'s a lot better than the ridiculously high tax -- this is the most right wing plan the president's ever proposed. i think it's fabulous. >> tell everybody what our corporate tax rate is. >> most of the companies i'm seeing are paying between 25% and 30%. >> so instead of paying 30% in taxes in the united states, they can go to ireland, pay 12.5%? they can go other places across the world, pay the same or even less? you know what, they're going to -- if their margins are thin, they're going to do that. >> absolutely, this is a way to raise earnings per share. don't forget, they all want their stock prices higher. this is a terrific plan because
most of the guys who have -- who are important in terms of the president, in terms of creating jobs, they have billions and billions and billions in cash. every report shows 2 billion, 5 billion, 30 billion. none of it's here. it can't be repatriated. this is a great plan. >> coming up on "morning joe," first class, author and journalist alison stewart reveals the remarkable story of one segregated school that defied the odds and changed america. up next, former white house senior adviser david axelrod along with politico's maggie haberman. first, a check of the forecast. >> he didn't change america. sometimes he doesn't even change his underwear. >> changing america one day at a time. this morning in the southeast, you're waking up to your last day of july. it's been cool. i'm sure the grass is green because it's been raining just about every single day.
look at our monthly rainfall totals. in the southeast is really who got the highest apt amounts of throughout july. areas down around tallahassee, panama city, just 15 inches of rain this month alone. so it only figures it's raining on the last day of july because it rained every other day. we got more clouds and rain. another cool day from charlotte to greensboro. it's been raining all morning there in atlanta. your forecast for your wednesday. a fitting end to july in the southeast. the northeast is looking gorgeous today. still hot in texas. a little preview of your august looks a lot like july. still looks like the hot weather's going to be from texas through the intermountain west. still pretty cool over the next at least two weeks in the great lakes. hasn't been good beach weather in chicago and the great lakes. a shot of washington, d.c. another day relatively low humidity. should be dry in the morning. maybe a shower later today. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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political reporter for politico and the woman doing all things weiner for your publication, maggie haberman. hey, haber's got to hate. that's what you always say. >> following me on tweeter. >> we also have robert gibbs and mike barnicle, completely disgusted by the whole spectacle. first, david axelrod, you know peace may be breaking out in washington, d.c. the president gives a speech. a couple people said some things before they heard the speech. this morning, we had a key player in the house, come on and say, hey, it sounds like, you know, he's cautiously optimistic. but if the president's really talking about reforming the tax code and cutting taxes of corporations, getting some of that money back, he's all for
it. s s saxby chambliss also distancing himself. >> i'm a member of the ted cruz caucus. wonder how that will play at hope? >> ted cruz this morning said that mitch mcconnell was another barack obama. which both offensed mcconnell and obama i think. >> exactly. >> so he -- >> congratulations. >> simultaneously offended both. >> congratulations, teddy. >> before we do anything, i have to say to mike barn we, congratulations. you guys just bought yourself a title. that guy's a bulldog. we're going to miss him here. enjoy. back to the subject. >> yes, back to the subject at hand. look, i think tom cole's always been someone who's more receptive. the question isn't whether peace will break out between republicans and companydemocrat. the question is whether there's enough peace with republicans particularly in the house where we can pass something. a couple weeks ago boehner said
his job was to repeal laws, not to pass laws slaws. hopefully, they'll be enough people in the house who will see the virtue. >> if corporate tax rates go lower and we figure out a way to bring trillions back to reinvest in the economy, i think john boehner would say, well, that's repealing a higher tax rate and we need to do it. i think also, you know, maggie the help -- i think what's helpful here is you're going to have a lot of businesses that are pro-republican that are very -- have conservative ceos that will start coming to capitol hill saying, guys, if he wants to spend a little money on infrastructure here, r & d there, education, that ehelps or economy too. but corporate tax rates. if you allow us to bring the money back to america, we're going to create american jobs. >> this is the sweet spot, right? a beginning of a conversation i don't think will end up exactly this way but i agree with you. i think this is where it's very
hard for republicans -- this is where you've seen the pro-immigration forces on the right as well. they are going to say this is advantageous to us. and it builds a pressure from a different perspective. i think it's going to be hard to ignore. >> robert, this is not just about cutting the debt. >> right. >> cutting the budget. sequestration. this is about bringing trillions of dollars back into the united states. reinvesting in the economy. kick starting the economy. the one thing that paul ryan and barack obama and, you know, paul krugman and whoever his counterpart on the right would be would all say is we need growth. >> right. >> and this leads to growth. >> it's what we've talked about is, you know, putting on the table, bringing the $1.5 trillion back that could create 100 to $160 billion in additional revenue. that money lowers the rates. but also provides, as you said, let's say $50 billion to do
infrastructure and roads, you know, that money is really the grease that has the real potential to get the wheels moving on this. >> you also have, david axelrod, you've got the debt declining. of course, democrats are going to take credit for that. and, you know, republicans are already saying they had a say in it. let everybody take credit for it, that's great. that's what's going down. that give us a little more breathing space. if we're going to bring all this corporate tax money back to the united states, reinvest it in jobs. it's growing the economy, creating tax revenue. spending money, rebuilding bridges. spending money, rebuilding schools. spending money on research and development. all of that is seed money to america's future. it grows the economy over the long run. i think we have some breathing space here. >> yeah, i agree with you, joe. the question isn't whether republicans and democrats vie
over credit for who's reducing the deficit, the question is whether there's some republicans in the house willing to acknowledge that we're reducing the deficit. because there's some who are just locked in this mind set. you know, while tom cole, good guy, reacted appropriately to this possibility, there are a bunch of knee jerk reactions from the house immediately after the president's speech, including from boehner's spokesperson, kind of dismissing it. and a lot of them are still reciting this kind of robotic sort of, you know, anthem about budget cutting. no, we're not going to spend another dollar on anything. that is a self-defeating philosophy. i think it ultimately will be self-redeiting for the republican party. but it's self-defeating for the country. hopefully the reasonable folks will get past that and we can find a commonsense caucus to pass all of this. >> yeah, we will obviously see
how it develops in the future. a lot of times those reactions, maggie, are just, you know -- ask nancy pelosi's spokesperson what he or she thought of george w. bush's speech before george w. gave it and she'll tell you it was the worst thing ever. >> worst thing ever. >> i think we have some space here. all right. so yesterday you had a fascinating story on anthony weiner and uma and the whole clint be brigade and some quotes from people very close to the clintons saying all right we're kind sick and tired of this. today your story line a little more subtle. and it's, that weiner guy, he's crazy. >> a very subtle intro we had. lost his mind. there's a debate among new york politicos about where he has lost his mind or whether this is the extreme version of who he always was. these are not necessarily mutually exclusive. in terms of the clint onclinton
have not liked him -- they didn't really like him at all. they didn't like him since the scandal. they didn't like he was name dropping bill clinton constantly. they made really clear they weren't getting involved. they are very worried about huma who is like a surrogate daughter to them. i don't think anybody will say openly they think this is problematic for her politically down the road, but i don't think anybody is thrilled this is going on. she's transitioning into a different life. she's transitioning to their foundation. this is getting her sort of much more public than they want to be. >> what a messy, messy distraction for hillary clinton. she doesn't need one right now. >> it is -- i honestly -- i told maggie this the other day, i think that three years from now this will be what robert knows one of my favorite expressions, a. i. a pimple on the ass of progress. >> i didn't know you were going
to say that on the air. >> if i had a nickel for either type time i heard that. >> i thought benjamin franklin said that. >> where's the seven-second delay thing? >> we take it off for you. >> i feel terrible for a woman who i think is a spectacular person. i know her very, very well. i don't fault her for, you know, here's her husband, the father of her child. i don't blame her for that. but the fact that she -- the people of new york are not going to take any of -- i agree with robert. he's a super narcissist. he's grooving on this. anybody who sends their private parts across the internet is someone who really, really, really craves attention. in certain ways, this is his dream come true. he's the center of attention. i think the worst thing we could do to anthony weiner is never mention his name again. >> okay, you and robert gibbs agree. all right. maggie and i do not. david, thank you so much.
oh, was he? how does a football player get nicknamed bammy? >> light on his feet. >> with us now, one of the best ever to put on football pads, cris carter. wide receiver for 16 years in the nfl. now he co-hosts espn's "sunday nfl countdown." he's out with a new book, going deep, how wide receivers became the most compel figures in pro sports. how did wide receivers -- let's answer the question. how did wide receivers become the most compelling figures in pro sports? >> a lot of it revolves around the quarterback. well, who's the quarterback throwing the ball to? when i started playing, 1973, there were three receivers caught more than 50 passes it looked it up this morning. this last season, 2012, 73 people caught 50 or more passes. you have to be able to throw the ball and you have to throw the
ball to so people. >> if you're a quarterback what wide receiver playing the game now would you want to throw to? >> larry fits jer raid or calvin johnson. larry fitzgerald has some ridiculous hands. i don't believe in dropping the football so if i have one pass to throw -- if it's in traffic, larry fitzgerald. anywhere else, throw it to calvin johnson. calvin johnson's unbelievable. >> you say something fascinating about wide receivers. you say they're selfish. >> absolutely. >> people have said you were a very selfish player. you said being selfish in this book is absolutely necessary if you're going to be a great wide receiver. >> well, selfish is an attribute that you have to utilize to your advantage. being a wide receiver, you're going to have to be selfish. we play furthest away from the ball. we need so many other people to do their job well before we do it. but for you to know if i'm doing my job, what do you do? you read the paper and you read my stats. so i have to be driven by my
stats because that's what lets people know how well i'm doing my job. so yeah, i'm selfish, absolutely. i don't know any other wide receiver that's been good that's not selfish. >> randy moss was never selfish. >> no, he wasn't. i think that's one of the -- >> listen, everybody, every wide receiver wants the ball. every wide receiver in the league on every play and there's a pass play, they'd be going like -- get the ball to me, i'm wide open! >> running back never says, you know, why did you do the fake handoff, i could have just run it? you see the receiver going back to the quarterback. >> it's attracted a lot of different personalities to the position. 20 years ago, you go to a football camp, everybody wants to be a running back. then they went through a phase, everybody want to be a quarterback. then they realized you got to be pretty skilled. now you go anywhere, there's a million wide receivers.
everyone wants to be a wide receiver. because the game has changed too. >> you talk about the changing game and you were speaking earlier about raymond berry, one of the all-time great receivers. raymond berry was incredible, an unbelievable receiver. but he was a 10, 15, 20 yard down receiver. the game is now stretched out. >> it's a completely different game because you have all different varieties. you have bigs, small, fast, slow, intermediate. you have to develop all these different wide receivers. raymond berry, a guy like him, could play in the '50s, the '70s, 2013, because of his overall ability. >> so let's talk really quick, like a guy like fred biletnikoff was not fast. but those guys always got open. they always got the ball. they always got the first down. what made a fred biletnikoff?
is it just uncanny ability to get open? >> no, it's not uncanny. wide receiver takes skill. and they had great route running ability. and they also had a great ability to concentrate in the middle of the football field. and they were fearless. most wide receivers now we don't have a whole bunch of courage. if your feel's amily's in a bur house, don't send a wide receiver in. we don't do that kind of stuff. a lot of wide receivers, you don't see them going across the middle, because their personality -- >> would always go -- >> that courage sets them apart and that's why they're some of the greatest. >> you, one of the greatest receivers we've ever had. it's going to be proven this saturday. can you talk about just how big it's going to be when you're in canton, ohio, and being inducted into the nfl hall of fame? >> it's really unbelievable. 25,000 players have played in the national football league the last 100 years and there's only
280 in the hall of fame and i am number 275. so my mother is one of only 280 people in the world to give birth to a hall of famer so you're in such an exclusive class. even my trim dreams as a kid, i was going to be a professional athlete. even in my dreams. my life now is better than even in my dreams. >> huge ego, wide receiver -- >> no, no, no, i had no ego. >> did you ever conceive you'd be in the national football league hall of fame? >> when i was in the seventh grade, i was taking a test and got done early. i was doodling. the teacher said, what are you doing? i said, oh, nothing. she like, stand up and tell me what that is. i said no, it's a little embarrassing. she said no, i want the whole class to know what you're back there doing. i stood up, showed her a piece of paper. i said, i was practicing my autograph, i want to be famous one day. >> you're going to be signing a lot of autographs on saturday.
>> i hope so. >> congratulations. cris carter. "going deep, how wide receivers became the most compelling figurings in pro sports." make sure you read it. cris, thanks. good luck this saturday. >> thank you, thanks for having me. >> journalist alison stewart is here with an amazing story of a high school whose leaders pushed back against a racist system and in doing so changed history. we'll be right back on "morning joe." [ school bell rings ]
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"first class, the legacy of dunbar, america's first black public high school." maggie haberman back at the table along with joe and me. >> i always wanted to hear about my parents, what they did in school. but i'm smart enough to do the math, 1940s, segregated school. but they talked about this phenomenal education and their teachers who had ph.d.s and masters and one was a doctor and lawyer. i thought, what an interesting life to live in washington, d.c., to go to a segregated high school, to be hyper educated, speak two or three languages but not be able to go into restaurants, go into a certain store and try on a coat. >> what a disconnect. >> also, how the heck did that school get to be? i thought that was an interesting story and needed to be told. >> you said valerie jarrett's father went to dunbar as well, huh? >> yeah, i interviewed her at the white house. he said the one thing he always taught her and what dunbar taught this generation, which
like to call the greatest generation of african-americans, was you're good enough. you're as good. don't let anybody stand in your way. just keep going. and one of the things dunbar high school did is it produced all the great glass ceiling breakers. first black general in the army. first black presidential cabinet member. billy taylor, jazz musician. first black federal judge. the list goes on and on and on. >> senator ed brooke, the first -- >> the first african-american elected to the senate. >> you know, what's interesting, one of the points -- all of it is interesting. one of the things you just said was how did it happen that dunbar was like this. how did it happen that dunbar is what it is today, which is not what it once was. >> which is not a great school. although they're really trying. in d.c., it started in 1870.
four students in the basement of a church after the civil war. there were all these, as they said, free coloreds in d.c. they had to do something with the kids. they seized the moment. they said, we're going to make some grammar schools and a high school. slowly over type word got out and people started coming to d.c. to go to this high school. they decided to make it an academic high school. because the first black, to graduate from all of the competitive schools, brown, yale, couldn't get jobs. one of the first principals of the school was the first black regiment of harvard. >> you talk about -- and make the argument that dunbar helped create the black middle class. >> absolutely, also the idea that there were jobs that could be had. so the parents could work and the kids didn't have to go to work after school. they could continue to -- oh,
that's fine, that's my mom and dad. >> joe stewart. >> oh, beautiful. >> my dad graduated from harvard business school in 1954. that was the same year as brown versus board of education, think about that. >> and carol graham. >> she's a biology teacher. she grew up in d.c. my dad interestingly grew up in har helem and his parents moved d.c. to send him to dunbar. he was really an activist. a great story in there where he was marching in front of a safeway at 15 because it wouldn't let negro cashiers in a negro neighborhood. >> the first charter school -- >> kind of charter magnet school. it really, really was. because there were only three high schools by the '40s where blacks could go to high school in d.c. one was vocational. one was dunbar, which was the
academic school. >> explain the slide. >> when integration happened, it was done clumsily in the district. went from becoming a magnet school to a neighborhood school. so it had all the problems that d.c. had and it took in all the problems. in '68, after the civil unrest, after king was assassinated, the black middle class, u street, which was so vibrant, was burned out. so the d.c. schools really reflect the problems with d.c. dunbar, they were able to cocoon them. he said, our parents protected us. when they went out into the real world, obviously, they faced all kinds of discrimination, which is why they're such amazing heroes to me, they just kept going, they didn't let anybody get in their way. >> you said the school's trying to come back. >> they're building a brand-new version. $122 million. it is gorgeous. it opens august 26th. they're really trying to reclaim the legacy of the old school and inspire all these kids. because a lot of them don't know
the history. and, you know, there's been this weird thing that i really am fighting against, and i hope kids read this book, the idea that education is not part of black history. there's all these graduates of dunbar history who say you don't have to choose to go that path, you can choose to do something else and not go to college but don't let anybody tell you it's not part of your history. they're making it a gorgeous school. a place you'd actually want to go to high school. still in neighborhood 's a litte bit sketchy but they're hoping if we rebuild it, they will come, and people will rise to the occasion how beautiful the school is. >> look how beautiful that is. >> let's hope people do come. and, you know, that is one of the new -- i think one of the new understandings. there used to be the belief that the schools in the neighborhood -- and it collapses because the neighborhood collapses around it. now more and more peep are thop thinking the neighborhood collapses around the school as the school goes down. so let's hope. >> my fingers are crossed. >> the book is "first class,"
the legacy of dunbar. america's first black public high school. it looks terrific. thank you so much. you can read an excerpt on our site, mojo.msnbc.com. alison stewart, good to see you. i can't believe your baby's 5. i was about to say, how's the baby. >> i'm 47 years old, i am not getting on the jungle gym with that kid. like, climb up, have a good time, mommy's down here. >> breed confidence, look good. up next, the best of late night. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up.
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straw. and let me tell you something, mika? >> yeah. >> you know what? i am not going to stand here and watch you talk down the united states of america. gentlemen. >> amazing how many people have watched "animal house." what have you learned today? >> we're still obsessed with anthony weiner, it's a bad thing. >> why don't you deal with your own obsession off set? >> i learned i have to read "first class" by alison stewart. great story. >> same here. sorry to bogart his answer but i want to read this book badly. >> it is an unbelievably -- mika, are you just not coming back? oh! >> that's the end. >> all right, friends, if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." but mike barnicle is here and he's going to tell you what's next. >> it's time for "the daily rundown." take it away. >> thanks for watching.