tv The Ed Show MSNBC January 16, 2014 2:00pm-3:01pm PST
good evening, americans. live from new york. let's get to work. >> i am out there negotiating the trans-pacific partnership. >> the tpp will bring 40% of the world's economy, world's economy, together. >> this is another nafta disaster waiting to happen. >> this has been a good deal. both have become more competitive in the world marketplace as a result. >> and there is a tooth fairy and an easter bunny. >> the trans-pacific partnership, which has an ability to be able to raise standards of doing business. >> let's look at reality instead of theory. >> i can tell you trade promotion authority is a priority, not in theory but in fact. >> the middle class is being offshored. >> literally millions of jobs have been lost, have been sent offshore.
>> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. oftentimes on the radio i'd hear that the democrats don't do a very good job of communicating. how come we always lose the arguments on things? here's a dandy. this is a winning issue for independent thinking americans, you know those folks you go home to and see elected officials that they're not left, they're not right, they just are for america? if you are for american jobs, you have to be against fast track, you have to be against the trans-pacific partnership. it is a bad deal for american jobs. so democrats, here's what you can do. you can go home and say we didn't get it done with nafta, and we're not going to get it done with the tpp. in fact, nafta is nowhere near as good as the tpp when it comes to destroying jobs.
right? here is the bottom line -- who is going to be able to go home and say i stood up to my president because i protected american jobs? i stood up to president obama because i didn't want to see jobs outsourced? we're finding out with this issue who's for the worker, who's for industry, and who's for big business. i can't get the republicans in the senate to come on this program. we asked rand paul, got no response. you know why? because the republicans don't want to be on the wrong side of the corporations. the democrats, most of them, have figured this out, that it is about workers and the middle cla class. the senate held a bogus one-sided hearing today on the trans-pacific partnership, so tonight we're setting the record straight. earlier today the senate finance committee held a hearing on fast track and the tpp. it's important to mention no specific dee tails of this trade agreement were brought to light
in this hearing today. everything was mentioned in very generic and general terms. the tpp is still to this moment the best-kept secret on the economy in this country. senate finance committee chairman max baucus, who i'm not a fan of, i don't think he's for the workers, he wants fast track and he wants it now. he wasted no time coming out in support of this trade agreement. >> workers in factories that export earn nearly 20% more than workers in factories who don't support. businesses that export create jobs more quickly, and they are less likely to go out of business. so how can we help create these jobs? how can we get more american exports into foreign markets? through trade agreements. and to complete trade agreements we need trade promotion authority, also known as tpa. >> well, let me tell you something, mr. senator from montana, that's only half the story.
to have trade, you got imports and the balance is simply not there. i don't believe what mr. baucus says when he talks about wages. i'd like to -- well, i'm going to have to call his office tomorrow and find out where he's getting that information. pretty generic, because we have lost 60,000 factories in this country since nafta. baucus claims the tpp will create jobs. ease issi to say. show me the money. history speaks differently. no free-trade agreement has ever created american jobs. every time a trade agreement is passed american jobs are outsourced. this is what's gutting the middle class, the economic engine of america. sure it's good for the people at the top, but the flat line wages are because of crap like this. this was not, by the way, a balanced hearing. no fairness here. the committee heard from three business owners who support forecast track and the tpp.
the only opponent was larry cohen, who is the president of the communication workers of america. so of course max baucus, he's controlling things. he's our new darrell issa. supporters of the p temperature said the deal would make it easier for businesses to export goods. >> and today our international sales are growing in many countries. however, the playing field for trade isn't always level. while our market is generally open, u.s. exports face foreign terrorists that often soar into double digits as well as a thicket of nontariff barriers. now, as you've heard, i'm not from washington, but as we've already heard today, tpa will require congress and the white house to work together on trade agreements. well, that doesn't sound like a radical notion to me. and those trade agreements will tear down the foreign barriers that shut out products made by
companies like mine. >> here we go again with only half a story. tariffs. if we're just as equal as some other country in this trade agreement, why should there be any tariffs whatsoever? the bottom line is it's about wages and there has to be a level of protectionism in this deal for american workers where we're going to become like them. our economy will be like theirs. supporters claim that the tpp would lower tariffs in other countries on our exports. senator max baucus. you know what he used? he used a 40% tax on u.s. tires as an example. pay attention. >> i might say just for example, it's not your business, but like malaysia, for example, has a 40% tariff on tires and we have a big export business, the united states exports tires overseas, but they've got 40% duty on american tires and malaysia is doing an agreement with other countries which means other countries nearby indonesia and others will not have to face that same 40% tariff. >> where in the world have i heard that before?
gosh. oh, yeah. back in 1993 when nafta was being debated. i seem to remember vice president al gore using a similar argument. >> we make the best tires in the world. but we have a hard time selling them in mexico because they have a 20% tax collected at the border on all of the tires that we try to sell. now, when they make tires and sell them into the united states, the tax at the border is zero. >> yeah. now we're getting it. here's what that trade deal got the united states -- nafta alone cost this country 700,000 jobs since january 1st of 1994. supporters of the tpp are also worried about the united states being left behind in the global economy. >> economic growth and jobs increasingly depend on the expanded trade and investment opportunities available
worldwide. global economy will move forward with us or without us. u.s. is not in the vanguard of pursuing new agreements, we risk falling behind other countries that are pursuing other agreements of their own. we also surrender the opportunity to negotiate new rules to address trade barriers and issues that did not exist previously. >> i say stop worrying about what the rest of the world is doing. start thinking about american jobs. free-trade agreements have devastated local communities in the united states. cwa president larry cohen made that clear at today's hearing. >> we must document the like lynette effect on employment. these micro examples are wonderful and we applaud them, but what is the net effect? what has the net effect been of 20 years of these trade deals? what has happened to our jobs, our communities? the north philadelphia that i grew up in? the dlooefld i can picture right now? devastation throughout those communities. nowhere near the replacement in jobs for the more than 700,000 jobs lost from nafta alone. even the korean trade agreement that was supposed to breng new
job, we've lost 40,000 more jobs since its passage. >> no response from anybody on the panel from thap. cohen also said trade agreements like the tpp have wiped out entire industries in this country. >> we can take telecome equipment. there's no telecome commit made in the country at all, yet what do we have today? we have beg labs, we have western electric, we had lucent. every one of those hundreds of thousands of jobs is gone. yet we're the biggest consumer of those products. and yet china was with state owned enterprises and european companies promoted by their nations are thriving. >> oh, yeah. he said we're the biggest consumer of those products. we're a big customer. you mean to tell me that we can't play hardball at the table when it comes to trade agreements? if there's a big customer in the room, don't you want to do business with him? we're giving up. we're giving way too much. we're not protecting our workers.
we can have a level of protectionism and still have free trade but it's got to be fair. i'll side with the workers over business on this one any day because profits are through the roof. i'm sure profits are going to continue to go up for corporations if if this deal passes. but don't be fooled. those offshore profits, you know where they're going to sit? offshore and the conservatives are going to protect those tax dollars offshore that should be into our treasury. so they want the whole thing. meanwhile, wages are going to be depressed for the workers and jobs are going to go overseas and we're going to have this thing called long-term unemployment continuing on unless we invest in jobs in this country, which, of course, the republicans don't want to do under the obama administration. the tpp is bad for workers. no democrat should support it. workers need to stand up across this country and go after this issue. this is the death knell for the middle class in america if fast track is allowed to go through and the tpp just washes right out overseas with jobs.
get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. on the's question -- do you think your next-door neighbor knows about the tpp? text a for yes, b for no to 67622. you can go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll have results later in the show. for more, senator bernie sanders of vermont. good to have you with us. thank you so much. let's be clear on this. why was there limited testimony for those who oppose the trade agreement? >> well, look, historically, as you have pointed out in your discussion, this thing has been a stacked deck that corporate america has pushed through trade agreement after trade agreement with enormous lobbying erts, campaign contributions, and these results, these trade agreements, have ended up devastating working families and enriching large corporations. so sadly, historically, what we
have seen is republicans and democrats coming together for disastrous trade agreements which by the way are partially responsible for the fact that in the last 13 years we have lost over 60,000 factories in the united states. not all trade. but trade is a significant reason why. what corporations are doing are saying why should we pay an american worker 15 or 20 bucks an hour when we can go to vietnam, we can go to china, and in vietnam the minimum wage, ed, is 28 cents an hour. why are these corporations going to invest in america and create jobs here when we can go to vietnam? >> so how can anybody make the case that this will create jobs in america because it will increase our exports? >> they keep saying the same thing over and over again. trade agreement after trade agreement. and they're wrong every single time. look, will this trade agreement create some new export jobs?
the answer is yes. will it lose far more jobs because companies shut down here and move abroad to capture cheap labor? the answer is yes. so we gain a little, we lose a lot. and over the years, as a result of these trade agreements, that's the trade agreement with china, that's the mexican nafta agreement, cafta agreement. we have lost in total millions of decent-paying jobs adding the pluses and the minuses together. >> senator, what's your response to the parallel argument max baucus is making that al gore made in 1993? >> i mean, it is -- they keep saying the same thing. and yes, again, there will be some increase in export jobs. but we lose more than we gain. and i get tired of hearing the same old arguments. the bottom line here is look at all of the trade agreements. if they have worked well, if the middle class has grown, if wages
in the united states have gone up as a result of these trade agreements, i'm all for it. but the converse is true. not only have we lost millions of jobs, in terms of manufacturing, ed, you remember, manufacturing used to be the highest paid blue-collar work in america. people can make it in the middle class. as a result of these trade agreements we're in a race to the bottom. manufacturing wages have gone down precipitously. >> well, the argument that's being presented from the secretary of state john kerry is that this is going to make it easier to do business. i don't argue with that. it's not a question about whether it's going to be easier to do a deal, to do a deal with the another country. it's when your going to get in the deal and what is your economy going to get out of the deal? this is where the administration and the president has been void of explanation on this. who's going to call him in the senate on the carpet to explain to the american people before we get into this thing? >> some-us surely will look. this is going to be a great deal for the pharmaceutical industry.
they can make huge profits by selling their medicine at very high prices in countries around the world. yeah, they're going to make money. i can recall jack welch. remember he used to be the head of ge? >> yeah. >> he said if i had my druthers i would put our manufacturing plants on a barge and take it to those countries where wages are lowest. this is what these agreements are about. allowing corporate america to shut down in america, to go to low-wage countries. >> senator, take us through the senate minutia on this. it's all up to harry reid right now, is it not? i mean, he has the power to keep this off the floor and fast track not be an issue. what's going to happen? >> well, i can't predict what's going to happen, but this is what i will tell you. this is what the process is. this is interesting as well. to pass -- to go forward on this tpp will require 60 votes to get fast track. what's very interesting to me, ed, if we want to raise the
minimum wage, if we want to extend unemployment benefits, we need for final passage 60 votes. if fast track is passed, guess how many votes we'll need for final passage? 50 votes. so the fast track concept is a terrible idea, prevents members of congress from offering amendments, provides just the 50 votes for final passage. i hope very much we do not bring this bill to the floor. if we do, i hope it's competed. >> it's going to be very hard for the conservatives wh where they're concerned about sovereignty in this deal, but it's going to be hard for them to pose it because that pits them against the corporations. >> this is why rand paul and other big shots on the republican side don't want to talk about this. they don't want to go home and say, hey, i helped you outsource some jobs. >> what's interesting is there are a lot of grassroots republicans who understand exactly what unfettered free trade is. they have seen jobs in their
communities disappear and go to china. they are sick and tired of going to a store and not being able to buy a product manufactured in the united states of america. so the republicans have got to look at their grassroots, not just at their corporate campaign contributors. >> senator bernie sanders, thanks so much for joining us tonight. keep up the fight, my friend. why are we spending time on this? because once this deal goes through, you can't unravel it. you can't amend it or change it or make it better for our economy. once it's done it's done. they said the same thing about nafta. we'll get that tomorrow. tomorrow never came. so if you're an activist and if you believe in american jobs, i don't care if you're left, right, blue, green, center, if you think wages are important in the this country, if you think the manufacturing sector is important in this country, now's your time to speak up. i don't know how you can be for jobs and be for fast track and be for this agreement. mr. president, i am totally puzzled by your position on this. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of
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websites today. >> with healthcare.gov, there has been no successful breach of the i.t. security, but we have not looked into target. >> target's holiday hacking, one of the largest retail security breaches ever. >> what is his agenda? nobody knows. >> joining me now is congressman elijah cummings of maryland, who is ranking member of the house overnight committee. congressman, always a pleasure to have you on "the ed show." appreciate to have you on tonight. >> good to be with you, ed. >> the numbers are here. the target security breach affected up to 110 million customers. 40 million credit and debit card numbers exposed along with the customer information of at least 70 million people. what is the appropriate role of your committee that is headed by darrell issa? what should happen? >> we should be investigating target right now.
we should have the heads of that company come in and explain to us exactly how this significant breach happened, how we can prevent it from happening again, what are they doing to mitigate the damages that may be incurred by the folks who have their cards. those are the kind of questions that the american people want us to ask. and, again, you're absolutely right, ed. when you've got 110 million, million people whose data may have been compromised, that's very serious. >> that's 1 in 3 americans by my math. >> that's exactly right. >> darrell issa, he's the king of congressional hearings, where is the outrage? why hasn't he weighed in on target? and we can only speculate if 110 million people in this country had their information breached because of obamacare or healthcare.gov, that we might be having a different conversation over on the right. but they are deafening on this issue. what do you make of it?
>> well, keep in mind, ed, we now had in our committee 22 hearings about the affordable care act and the data system. now, you know, it's interesting that the folk who is came in today, the witnesses that were called by chairman issa, all of them said that there have been no successful data breach of healthcare.gov. they made it very clear that it has been tested end to end and there was there's no problems there. and they went on to say that actually healthcare.gov has gone beyond the best practices. so at the same time -- >> the government is doing a little better job than the private sector when it comes to security. >> way better. >> why are the republicans quiet on this? >> it's very simple, ed. first of all, with regard to the hearing today, they want to continue to scare the american people from going online and getting the health care, but on
the other hand, i don't know what the situation is and why they are not addressing target because, again, those are our constituents. 110 million people who are now in a position where people can actually use that data and can make a purchase for anywhere in the world. that's serious stuff. >> you think there should be a review of the standards for the line of security for all these major chains? >> we have to do it, yes, ed, because it affects our constituents. we need to make sure we understand what happened here so that we can prevent it but not just with regard to the private companies. we can use that information to make sure that government i.t. systems do not fail. >> so you're really not clear on what happened with target. i mean, there's been some corporate statements out and such stuff as that. but the devil in the detail has not been exposed that could be reviewed to get some consumer protection here. >> that's exactly right.
we also need to know why there has been some delays in contacting people with regard to them being vulnerable with regard to target. because i'm hearing from constituents now that they're getting notices today and yesterday about breaches that probably occurred a month ago. >> all right. congressman elijah cummings, appreciate your time tonight. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure, ed. coming up, conservatives are trying to build a bridge between chris christie and hillary clinton. it isn't going to happen. still ahead, a conservative radio host's ideas about voting rights are a blast from the past. you'll hear it in pretenders. ♪
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what important issue should democrats focus on from now until the midterms? jobs, trade, and health care. not irs, benghazi, whatever else the republicans want to do. it's all about jobs. it's going to be about jobs, trade, and health care. let's go to round two. next question comes from gwendolyn clark. would you invite governor christie on the show? absolutely. so would every other host. he's not going to go on anybody's show right now. he just held a two-hour press conference. he did that so he doesn't have to go on anybody's show. stick around. disappointing earnings weighing on the dow, which is off 65 points. the s&p ending down by 2. the nasdaq add being 3. earnings from citigroup fell short sending shares down 4%
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welcome back to "the ed show." all right. benghazi and secretary of state hillary clinton. let me tell you how this is going to work out. in the coming weeks starting probably with the sunday news shows this weekend you're probably going to see a certain video clip on the loop. it's going to be played again and again and again. i'm talking about this tape right here. secretary of state hillary clinton testifying in front of the senate foreign relations committee on benghazi. this testimony was after she left that post.
and during this heated exchange with senator ron johnson, she just made it very clear what the situation was. and she was pounding on the table. well, let me be clear. i'm not predicting that they're going to be using this tape for the report on benghazi was released on wednesday. you see, ever since new jersey governor chris christie's bridgegate scandal erupted, the conservative arena, all the chatter has been you know what, we got to scramble, we got to find a distraction in order to protect the 2016 hopeful. that video of hillary clinton will be the focal point of their attack. it's nothing new, and they're going to take it and put it right with the senate intelligence report and try to keep that story alive. conservatives have been using christie's scandal to bring up clinton and benghazi since day one. >> you'll notice we haven't been hearing a lot from the clinton camp about this, in contrast with bill clinton and with secretary clinton's handling of benghazi. i think it's going to be hard for democrats to turn this into
an issue. the question are whether the facts will turn this into an issue. >> he stood there for 11 minutes in an open dialogue with the press. now, only if barack obama and hillary clinton would give us 111 seconds of that would we find out some things we want to find out about obamacare, benghazi, the irs. >> he points out that the media in new jersey now is trying to count how many people may have died because of this scandal. he said that's interesting. they're doing a body count now. have they ever done a body count with hillary clinton, benghazi, and her other decisions as secretary of state? no, they haven't, and they won't. >> so karl rove thinks that the clintons should weigh in on bridgegate. what for? they don't live in new jersey. joining me now is our rapid response panel, james peterson, ruth conniff, editor in chief of the progressive magazine. great to have you with us tonight. we know where this is going.
gosh, we haven't had enough coverage on benghazi and all they're talk about is bridgegate. they're ginning up an angle. but this senate report that came out, is it going to dog hillary clinton all through? ruth, your thoughts on it. >> absolutely not. you know, this report does not amount to a hill of beans or refried beans if you like. this is the same thing we already knew. so it says basically that hillary said everything there was to say about it, that she was not hiding anything, that when she took responsibility for the death of chris stephens, which she already did, that's what john mccain is saying she needs to do now, she did that, there's nothing really else to say. as far as the comparison to bridgegate, christie's staff clearly, what we know is they were trying to create chaos and there was a lot of damage as a result to people in new jersey. that was not the case in benghazi. hillary was not trying to kill her friend chris stephens and they were not trying to cree yay chaos. so there's really no comparison and it's really just the same
old benghazi story that people who watch fox news are excited about and pretty much nobody else. >> i think we can come to the conclusion what unfolded in benghazi was not orchestrated by americans. what happened in bridgegate was orchestrated by -- is this real scrambling by the conservatives? >> you're right that there is now a lot of pressure on conservatives to try to besmirch hillary clinton who they see as the front-runner on the democratic side for 2016 because of what's happened to chris christie. mind you thishgs not even that well settled on chris christie as their own front-runner but, you know, this is tit for tat politics and has become the american way. but at the end of the day you're both right here. there is no there, there. the report reconfirm what is we already know. and while there may have been some incompetence in terms of communication especially around interagassi communication, between the cia and the folk that handle security for these kind of outposts at the end of the day there was no cover-up and no deliberate attempt on the part of the state department or hillary clinton to try to harm
american citizens who were serving in this capacity. there's no story here but people will make one because that's how politics works in america. >> these conservative talking heads were making the case that there was too much coverage of bridgegate, that, in fact, there was more coverage op that than benghazi. i don't believe there's been any senate hearings on bridgegate or did i miss that in the news? when you have a senate hearing on something, i don't know if you can get any more intense than that. ruth conniff, in december, christie and clinton were neck and neck in a hypothetical 2016 race with clinton leading by just three points. according to the latest nbc news/marist poll, clinton's lead as opened up to 13 points. what do you make of this shift in opinion? >> well, i think that this story is really bad for christie. i think bridgegate's really bad because people can easily grasp it, because it's not at odds with what we know abhis personality, you know, whether i goes all the way to the top or not, which it seems like it
probably does. you know, clearly his staff were doing something deliberate to hurt his constituents and new jersey and people get really mad about getting stuck in traffic and it's a bad story because it's really easy to understand. not only that, it's sort of representative of what we worry about about republicans, that they serve the interests of their big donor, that they don't really care about the little guy, you know, and that is really the thing that's going to be hard for christie to wipe off about this scandal. >> there's no doubt there will be competition, you know, if hillary clinton jumps in. there's obviously going to be a number of candidates. in the liberal community, the progressive community, is this an issue with those voters who are going to be choosing who the nominee is going to be, james? >> well, it may be. i mean, benghazi's not going to be an issue, but i think what will be an issue for hillary clinton is that, you know, the democratic party is much more progressive than our candidates seem to understand. and so they will be checking her on her record more broadly
speaking. to ruth's point, it's less about these particular issues and more about the narratives so for christie it's about the narrative of retribution in terms of republican politics, that's what will haunt him. for hillary clinton, what will haunt her is less about benghazi and more about progressive folk looking at her hawkish ways when it comes to foreign affairs and intervention. i think that is where the issues become critical for both so-called front runners in the presidential candidacy for 2016. >> look, i think the conservatives are very nervous about hillary. they got a dinger early this-in this whole deal. no one on the right has got the work experience or the life experience or the name recognition or the credibility. >> that's right. >> the whole resume and what hillary clinton has done and how she has been defined with the american people. nobody on the right has that, ruth. >> that's right. >> and i think this benghazi thing just offers them up an opportunity. marco rubio was out there going after again in a big, big way.
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our economy for a long time. president obama and the democrats recognize this, and they've been throwing their support behind the industry for years. although republicans, if i remember correctly, criticized the 2009 auto loan. they called it a bailout, and have done very little to defend u.s. automakers. at this year's annual detroit auto show, republican governor, republican governor, republican governor, republican governor rick snyder of michigan recognized how important the industry is. >> we have over 370 research and development centers that account for 75% of the r&d in the auto industry's done in michigan and north america. that's huge. 61 of the top 100 north american suppliers have their headquarters in michigan. >> you bet, rick, and they wouldn't be there had it not been for all that federal money from the treasury coming in to rejuvenate and retool the industry which you were against. the transpacific partnership, or tpp could
threaten all of the progress u.s. automakers have made if we don't watch out. automakers directly employ 1.7 million people in design, the engineer, build parts to assemble cars in this country. u.s. suppliers support another 3.3 million workers. and car dealers support 1.5 million people in this country, both directly and indirectly with spin-off jobs. the tpp includes japan, which uses discriminatory trading practices in the automobile market. japan ships 200 cars to america for every one they import. the u.s. auto industry needs to speak up against the tpp to keep the level playing field and save millions of jobs in america. i'm joined tonight by my friend congressman gary peters, who is co-chair of the congressional auto caucus. gary, good to have you with us tonight. >> great to be with you, ed, and
thank you for always standing up for our great industry here in america. >> i'm just excited that a republican governor realizes how important the automobile industry was when they were never siding with you guys when you were out to save it. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. and it has been an incredible success story, the amount of jobs that have been created since that dark time, the amount of investment that is going into american plant equipment. it's pretty hard to argue with success, and we've seen it. >> republicans know how important the automobile loan was, no question about it, now that they see the light. why aren't they speak up against the tpp? why is this such select crowd? the chinese are going to come after our auto manufacturing, our auto parts industry in a big, big way. they're making no bones about it. tpp would put that on a fast track, for lack of a better term. where are the republicans? >> they haven't been there. you're right, ed. the reason why the chinese are going to go after that is because we know that absolutely critical to the middle class is that you've got to have a strong
industrial base. you've got to have manufacturing. and you can't have strong manufacturing without a strong auto industry. it's linked to it. which is why this tpp, i'm very concerned about it. i'm concerned about the impact to middle class families in my state of michigan but across the country. you mentioned it in the opening comments. japan has got one of the most closed markets ever, particularly when it comes to auto, and they have been engaged in practices that make it very difficult for americans to sell cars in japan. and on top of, that they have engaged in currency manipulation, which gives them an unfair advantage when it comes to selling those automobiles. we're not asking for any special treatment. we're just saying you need to have fairness, and we have not seen fairness from the japanese in the past. we haven't seen it now. and i'm very concerned about the future. >> all right. that's a mouthful, no doubt about it. a lot to consume there, because it is an unlevel playing field. >> right. >> in fact, in 2011, you wrote a letter to president obama asking the administration to exclude japan. what else can be done at this point?
>> well, we're going keep putting pressure. obviously we're concerned about this tpp because we don't really know what sort of agreements a are actually in that tpp. a lot of it has been done behind closed doors. i'm concerned about the currency manipulation. in fact, i asked secretary lew when he testified before committee as to what the administration was going to do with currency manipulation in the tpp. and he quite frankly said it shouldn't be part of a trading agreement. i think that is wrong. i'm going to continue to speak out and tell the president i think he is making a big mistake, and it's going to have a significant impact on american auto industry. and that means american manufacturing, and that means the american middle class. >> well, in your state of michigan, the automobile industry does 1.18 million jobs. it also accounts for 22% of the state job force. can this automobile industry, in your penn opinion, maintain this level of productivity if tpp is implemented? >> well, it certainly makes it
more difficult if you have an unlevel playing field. well just need to have a level playing field. if you look at where the industry is right now, and you look at the detroit auto show, which is going on as we speak, and it will be open to the public soon, you're seeing incredible products come out of general motors and ford and crieser is. chrysler and gm folks were going to let them collapse. and now they are creating cutting edge products that can compete globally. but they need to have a level playing field. we're not asking for special treatment, but if we do that we're going to continue to create jobs. >> what is hot at the auto show this year? >> general motors had the two top vehicles, the silverado pickup truck and the new chevy cam -- excuse me, the new chevy stingray corvette, which is really a very hot car. >> well, being an owner of a chevy silverado, i would like to say i would like to get another one some day. >> that sounds great, ed. >> congressman, good too have you with us tonight. gary peter soon here on the "ed show." that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz.
"politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news tonight. a flurry of subpoenas in governor christie's bridge scandal, including in the governor's inner most circle. late today lawmakers in the assembly announced they're sending out 20 subpoenas, demanding all documents that could be related to the lane closings, including e-mails and texts among those being served, 17 people and three organizations, including the governor's reelection campaign. two fired officials are reportedly being served, former deputy chief of staff bridget kelly, who sent the notorious e-mail "time for some traffic problems in ft. lee", and former campaign