tv The Ed Show MSNBC March 31, 2014 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT
>> it is a disturbing series of events over the weekend, russell. thanks for the reporting. stay safe. russell contreras, thanks for your team. we'll be back here tomorrow 4:00 p.m. watch me when i fill in for chris hayes at 8:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is next. good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> it's going to be hard to sign up. >> since today is the deadline. >> deadline for open enrollment under the affordable care act. >> people packed sign-up centers. >> the website flooded. >> i don't think it means anything. >> more than 6 million people enrolled. >> cooking the books. >> people are looking for affordable health care. >> get health coverage, do it
for mom. >> young people are the last people to sign up. >> after we're through, everybody's going to be saying, i can't has health care. >> is this a joke? >> its a law. >> i want to repeal the law of the land, is it clear. >> it's a law, maybe why people are signing up, want to be good citizens. >> sure. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. a day of celebration, i think. we should be taking a victory lap today. actually, this week is our fifth anniversary here on msnbc, the ed team, "the ed show." let's see, we've done the 6:00, the 10:00, the 8:00, the weekend, and now the 5:00. that's a lot of partying. by the end of the week, i'm going to need obamacare. this is a great story. great day for america. the republicans are still lying about everything. march 31st is here, midnight tonight, bingo, the open enrollment period for obamacare officially ends.
kind of think he might extend it again, which would be a good thing. now, however as long as you start to the process before midnight, you've got until april 15th to sign up, pick a plan, get after it. so what does that tell you? it's working. by the way, here is the number that you can call right now, it's 800-318-2596. you dial in. i dialled in today on my radio show. pleasant lady answered the phone, let's get started. i said, okay. now, tonight, this is the success story, and tonight we report that the latest numbers released thursday -- there were over 6 million people signed up for obamacare and i believe before the night's over with well be pushing 7 million people before this whole thing's over with. this is what kathleen sebelius said. remember kathleen sebelius? she's the secretary that everybody wanted fired. here's what she had to say back in september.
>> i think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of march 2014. >> how in the world did they know that that was going to be the number? and as you can see from this chart here, if keith jackson was doing play by play, he'd be saying, look at that, nellie, we'd be coming down the field right. sure are. that's called sigh rocketing. if the trend keeps up over the next 15 days it's possible for obamacare to hit the 7 million mark by the middle of april. wouldn't that be something? this would be a great victory for the affordable care act, considering what happened the first month. 8.7 million people visited healthcare.gov, over 2 million over the weekend. that's 280,000 phone calls to the 800 number i just gave you. that's a very good sign, talking about hitting 7 million people. by 2015, obamacare, hey, projected to cover over 13
million americans. by 2016, the number could be roughly 22 million americans. now, would that be considered a good start? the nonprofit rand corporation has a study that shows 9.5 million people have gained health insurance from obamacare. this number includes medicaid enrollment, which not every state has taken. other estimates reveal that 13 million people gained health care. if you factor in the young people under 26, staying on their parents' policy. now the affordable care act has created -- no question about it -- the largest expansion of coverage in health care in this country in a half century. go back to the days of lyndon johnson and medicare. as america gets healthier the cost of health care will come down, we'll have better outcomes. meanwhile, all of obamacare's recent success has republicans just scrambling on defense. canadian senator ted cruz of
texas say the number of people without health insurance is going up. >> what we know right now, is as a result of obamacare, millions of people have lost their jobs, have been forced into part-time work, have lost their health insurance, and are seeing their premiums skyrocket. more people have lost their health insurance because of obamacare than have gotten it. >> what's your source, senator? nothing could be further from the truth. but this is the m.o. right now for the republicans. none of these republicans ever quote their source or say, you know, you can turn to this report or that report or you can get this source to tell you exactly what's happening. no, he's lying, that's what he's doing. he's lying. we've shown you numbers. millions of americans gained health care through obamacare. it's not just cruz. wyoming senator john barrasso said, the obama administration is cooking the books. >> senator, given that, how much does this 6 million number actually mean? >> i don't think it means anything, chris. i think they're cooking the
books on this. people want to know the answer to that. they also want to know, once all of this is said and done what kind of insurance will those people actually have? >> oh, i'd love to debate you! come on, mr. barrasso, let's do it right here on "the ed show." it's interesting, i just said we're having our fifth anniversary here. back when i first started senator barrasso was willing to come on "the ed show." he has no source. he has no source. millions of people are losing their jobs. millions of people are losing their policies. well, that's because we don't have junk insurance anymore. we have standards. republicans are getting desperate. that's how we can read this. their worse fears are coming true. but let's roll it back, the good old highlight tape of october 2013, let's take a listen to how fox news was handling it in october. >> we've had many voices, such as yours, describing the trouble ahead. how many millions of people canceled so far? whatever number it is, it's going to multiply by ten or 20
in the next year. >> you said recently you think obamacare is the worst thing that's happened in the nation since slavery. >> jobs have been lost, part-time jobs are increasing, the train wreck in terms of the inability of people to actually get on the website, nothing short of a disaster, 624 million -- billion disaster. >> obamacare is a cancer on the health care system and our economy. >> longer wait times, paying for a phone call to your doctor, you're going have to look at your child with a fever for the first time, i mean since the great depression, look at your child and think, should i wait until tomorrow to go in to the doctor when my second child might catch this because at least i can make more on my money? >> they should be playing that tape right there at the next national republican convention. because they have no faith, they have no vision, and they have no belief in what americans can do. they have totally misread this across the board. bottom line here, folks, this has been a remarkable
turnaround. president obama said it was going to happen, and it did. and keep in mind, there's no number that the conservatives would be happy with. there isn't a number out there anywhe anywhere. they don't want this. they want for-profit, they know this is incrementally taking us down the road to universal health care. we'll take a little bit at a time. this is the argument that democrats have got to talk about on the road. bill clinton's got it right, don't run away from obamacare. let's go to round two. this is all -- round two will make it better. don't talk about fixes, talk about round two. that's the thing, conservatives are real scared about round two. because round two could be a public option. round through universal health care because that's what the american people want. it's all going to be good when we go to the polls in november. what's it going to be like in november? gosh, where we were in october and where we are today, this guy, he wasn't afraid to say that. so now we've got a 1-800 number
to call. this is almost look a fema number, isn't it? 318-2596. you dial it up before midnight tonight, get your name on the list, you are going to be able to get obamacare. you cannot be kicked off the rolls you, cannot be denied. that has change that we all voted for. not once, but twice. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, after 6 million sign-ups, were republicans wrong about obamacare? text a for yes, b for no, 67622. go to our blog. and we'll be bring you the results later on in the show. i want to bring in a couple of people tonight. first, let's go to michael hillsic, covered health care and written about it quite a bit. good to have you with us tonight. >> happy to be back with you. >> you bet. cooking the books, what's the source on that? it -- doesn't that make a journalist curious, because there's nothing better than somebody lying in the mediaed by and you catch them.
what's he talking about, senator barrasso? >> ed, he used the right word and with desperation. first of all, it's a ridiculous assertion to make. the fact of matter a lot of the figures come not from the federal government, from the white house but come from the individual states, 16 states and district of columbia have their own sign-ups, websites, producing figures on a weekly or monthly basis and those figures are coming in, and a lot of the states really strong right now. the fact of the matter is, if you look at figures coming from the federal website, they're pretty low. so if the obama administration is cooking the books, it's cooking them down rather than up. but we are seeing figures from everywhere that are showing there's a surge going on. >> they are easily verifiable, too. the insurance industry can't put out phony numbers they have to be up front about customer because they've got
stockholders. considering where we are and where we are right now, how would you capsulize it. >> i think we're amazingly exactly where we thought we would be. you heard kathleen sebelius talking cbo had the same figure. the cbo ratcheted its figure back and said maybe it won't be 7 million on the exchanges by march 31st, maybe it will be 6 million because we had 4 to 6 weeks in which the federal website was completely down. but we are -- i think -- i agree with you, i think we're going to be at 7 million by the oven the day. and it will be 7 million certainly by mid-april when all of the applications have to be completed. then you add in the qualified health plans signed up for, off the exchanges, all of the other factors. i think we're going to end up with 13 million, 15 million, 16 million who have health insurance in 2014 because of the affordable care act. that's a real victory.
>> seeing the republicans in the last throes to thwart this. >> yeah. >> cooking the books is the term they're using. millions of people losing jobs, although we've had 48 months of private sector job growth, 8 million jobs added since obamacare talked about in the spring of 2009 when the economy was bad. we've done nothing but add jobs all the a along. they're out of material, aren't they? >> they are. the funny thing is, i think they're going to be cursing at the tide for a while. but i put out a tweet last night on my twitter account which i said, i asked, what's the over/under on how long thit's going to be before you hear republicans take credit for this bill. you'll start hearing them talk about how, well, the individual mandate that was a conservative idea to begin with, and they're ultimately going to discover that millions of americans actually like this law. ted cruz put out a poll on his facebook page a week or two ago in which he said, are you better
off now with health care than you were four years ago? he gotten undated saying yes, we are better. we are much better off we had preexisting conditions, now we can get covered, it's cheaper. he's surprised. >> michael hillzik, thank you. let's bring in senator bernie sanders, an absolute fighter for the working folk of america. senator, this really is a day of celebration. when you think about all of the heated discussion that took place in committee for several years, votes, the back and forth, and the anti- the millions of dollars thrown at this, isn't it amazing we're at this point? >> ed, tries tens of millions of dollars thrown against this. the point is republican friends are desperate, during eight years of the bush administration they did nothing to address the crisis of health care.
in the last several years, their health care efforts have been to cut medicare, to cut medicaid, to cut disease prevention programs. and now they're faced with reality that tens of millions of people desperately need health insurance and they're signing up for obamacare. and the other very important point to be made is, we are finally got rid of the obscenity called preexisting conditions, a colleague of mine talking to a person in his state, she has a kid with diabetes, she was rejected 34 times for insurance because her kid has diabetes. that's finished. that's gone with. we're making progress. republicans are now on the defensive. but clearly, we have got to go further. we cannot be the only nation in the industrialized world that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right. >> senator, your response to accusation from you someone on the other aisle, senator barrasso, says national administration's cooking the
books? >> look, i think they don't like the results that they are seeing. they don't like the fact that we are seeing more and more people signing up that in fact obamacare is working for many millions of people. the real issue that my friend senator barrasso should be asking, how does it happen, ed, that in over 20 states in the country, run by republicans, they are denying people medicaid despite the fact that 100% of cost for the next three years will be paid for by the federal government? what does that say to you about the republican party? >> well, they are just ideologically opposed to any kind of changes in health care. they are for-profit, that's all they want. it has to be pointed out that during the bush years, it was double digit increases on premiums. those have slowed down quite a bit. it doesn't mean premiums aren't going to go up but outcomes will be better.
senator, how do democrats run on obamacare in the midterms? how do you see it? >> i think you talk with pride about the fact that more and more people are getting health insurance. thigh you talk about the fact that obamacare has played a role in cutting back on the escalating cost of health care. i think you turn the tables on them and you ask what kind of party would deny working families the need, the ability to get health care when in fact some of them are going to die because they don't get to a doctor when they should. i think it's time to turn the tables on them. so they want to cut education. they want to cut social security. they don't want to do minimum wage. they want to abolish that. they want to do bad trade deals, get rid of health care. they want to take money away from american workers because obamacare is saving a lot of people money. i hear it every day. it's all over the place. they simply are on the wrong side of history. >> ed, at a time when we have so
much income and wealth inequality it's very clear the republican party is hooked up to sheldon adelson, the koch brothers. their job is to deliver for the millionaires and billion airs and in the process turning their backs on working families and low income people. it's beyond comprehension that governors, republican governors, would deny working people the opportunity in some cases for the first time in their lives, to have health insurance because of their ideological nature. >> it is a high five day for the democrats and the progressive movement everyboive movement, n. answer tonight's question at bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. coming up, republican presidential hopefuls, what do they do? flock to las vegas this weekend. in hopes of wooing billionaire sheldon adelson. rapid response panel weighs in on winners and losers.
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pipeline coming through. how important is their voice going to be in all of this? >> well, it's huge. the sioux nation and the first americans have been historically and the present time consiste consistently for the protection of the earth and of land and water. they see that -- they see that -- those is more than industrial commodities that you use and discard. they see it as part of a hole. i think they -- their opposition brings into the whole equation another dimension, a dimension that is both spiritual, goes back millenniums, and represents, quite frankly, the best traditions of this nation. more importantly, it's the first americans. for them to say this is going against what we believe and what our belief system is, and it will do harm to the people, i
think it is going to force people to pay much closer attention, if they weren't paying attention already. >> congressman, speaking of dimensions, there is a legal dimension here. these native-americans were telling me over the weekend, stating case, stating treaty, stating section, all of it. they say that president obama, if he approves this, he is breaking two treaties. can you tell us anything about that? are these native-americans correct when they speak like that? >> i think when -- when one believes in the sovereignty that is legally and constitutionally represented for native nations in couldn't tri, their sovereignty is important. keeping up and preserving and protecting and enforcing the treaties that this nation signed with sovereign nations i think those are important. and their legal resistance to is going to be a very important
factor. you don't trample over treaty rights. you don't trample over sovereignty and the right of a nation to make decisions that are proper and self-determined for their people, the best interest and best for them. you have to respect that legally. and i believe that if that is a legal challenge that is part of the keystone opposition, it's going to be a very big one. i have -- we have a tribe here in southern arizona that did not want a fence put on the parts of their reservation that touched the border with mexico. they're a sovereign nation. and that right is protected because that is -- that is the right to that they have under law and constitution and treaty law. >> well, this is going to put -- if the president go as long with it, he's going to have to answer that legally. no one knows that better than a constitutional lawyer. they say there are mineral rights issues, land issues, cultural issues because this pipeline would be going over
culturally sensitive areas. they haven't been consulted properly. what's the resolution here? >> the resolution has been from the start, this whole pipeline, the route, the process to get where we're at, secretary kerry has a very important decision to make very soon whether or not it's in the national interest. i would suggest that the opposition by the sioux nation is not -- would verify that it's not in the national interest. and what's at stake here is not -- is the opposition to the pipeline is strong, it cuts across all sectors of the country. now with indian country and the sioux nation in opposition, you have now added a dimension that brings legal issues that were not thought of before and raises, i think, to a constitutional level, if not -- if the united states and this administration are going to add
here to treaty agreements and to the sovereignty of the nation. >> there will be other encampment as long the way, what they were telling me on saturday. also they're going to washington, d.c., to set up camp, later on this month or next month in april. tomorrow's april 1st. this is a long way from over with. they want to meet with president obama face to face. they want to meet with secretary of state john kerry. i don't know if it's going to happen, but that's what they want. they say they have not been properly consulted and they have the law, the treaty, on their side. that's how it goes. >> president obama has been good about respecting native issues and native treaties and sovereignty. and if anything, i'm -- i think that he will extend the courtesy to the leadership of the sioux nation. >> i hope he does. he met with these folks, these americans, when he was campaigning in 2008 in sioux falls, south dakota. they gave him a name, man of the people. one of the tribesmen said to me this weekend, we'll find out.
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welcome back to "the ed show." let the games begin. the sheldon adelson primary kicked off this weekend in las vegas. gop presidential hopefuls gathered to speak at republican jewish coalition's annual spring meeting. some of the biggest names in attendance, new jersey governor, chris christie, ohio governor john kasich, scott walker and former florida governor, jeb bush, hoping to get the blessing and fortune of mogul sheldon adelson. remember adelson dropped almost 93 million in 2012 in the election cycle backing newt
gingrich and mitt romney. this year adelson looking for what he says is a more electable candidate. these guys have to go kiss the ring, and it they want adelson to bankroll future campaigns, that's the game they play. adelson sat in front row for chris christie's speech but many believe the table is cole for the governor from new jersey. for his presidential ambitions in light of the bridgegate scandal. adelson was a no-show for wisconsin governor scott walker's speech. kasich made it seem like, you know him and sheldon they go back a long way, they were having a great one-on-one chat. >> sheldon and i were kind of talking about the background. sheldon and i owned a restaurant together. we're no long er flyover sheldo. we want you to come. we want you to invest. sheldon, thanks for inviting me. big winner didn't give a speech.
jeb bush the featured speaker at an exclusive vip dinner on thursday, hosted by adelson at his company's private airplane hangar. according to the republican insiders, vast majority of the party's top 100 donor are quietly trying to draft the younger bush into the 2016 presidential race. calling him, quote, the most desired candidate out there. really? joining me for our rapid response panel, from thegrio.com. goldie, thanks for joining us ladies. you know, is adelson going to than big a player in 2016 that they have to do this in '14 that he's just part of the vetting process? what do you make of this? >> sheldon adelson is going to be a big deal in terms how much money he can pour into a primary. on behalf of any give be candidate. but he's a bigger deal now as he lights the way for the entire donor class to get behind a single candidate. so that will absolutely make a
difference. but at the end of the day, those five, ten, $25 donors have their say, too. when they give their money, that means they're going to get out and work, get out and vote, they're going to recruit their neighbors and friends. so don't discount the small dollars either. but the real story here is that jeb bush is getting you know more and more confidence from the donor class, confidence that chris christie used to have, you know, pre-bridgegate, prior to sort of the investigations coming to growth. but i'm one of the people who never really believed -- i said it on this air -- never believed that chris christie was going to be president and could win a republican primary. so you know we're watching the political calculus here, interesting to see how this plays out. if i were a betting woman, i'm going it say chris christie is not going to come away with this, you'll see someone like jeb bush, like john kasich out of illinois come away with an adelson endorsement. >> even a former bush strategist finds the relationship with
adelson troubling. >> it's ridiculous candidates for president are trumping out to las vegas to kiss the ring of a billionaire casino own somewhere they think that's going to help them get elected president. >> money is going help them. >> money matters so much less than your own capacity as a candidate. what's your message? they'd be better off spending time where they live instead of flying to las vegas figuring out what's their message, how are they going to convey it to the american public. >> what do you make of it? >> he's light on one point they have to focus on their message but wrong on the part about the money. we're in this post-citizens united world in which men like adelson and fictional character like raymond tusk on "house of cards "s have control over politics in a substantial way than before citizens united. >> we saw adelson keep newt's campaign going. >> one person keeping the presidential campaign alive throughout a long primary process. >> so, do you think adelson is
thinking, if i pick the right guy, he's a front-runner i can really make a difference? >> yes, that's what he's thinking. in the last cycle he wasted a lot of money. he was not successful. i think he's learned from that as well. >> goldie, isn't there a certain amount of embarrassment that goes with this, you to go out and do this with a casino owner? where's then teg grit here? >> you know, you remember they all marched over to trump tower to see donald trump? i'm not sure there's a bar too low to skimmy under, you know in terms of going out to seychelle, that's par for course. they have been political kingmakers but there haven't been cameras. wasn't always twitter or facebook to talk about the closed door meetings. this is out in the open and we're seeing politics that always took place, only this time more cameras and more money at stake. i don't blame them for going necessarily but they, as align na said, go back home, check
messaging and make sure they're the candidate vessel worthy of this investment. >> i get this feeling, goldie, that they just have come to the conclusion, it's going to take a bush to beat a clinton. >> i think they may have come to that conclusion but jeb bush has not been in elected office since 2006. by the time 2016, talking a decade not having his name on a ballot. and the name bush doesn't always auger well. they don't even talk about the george w. bush presidency much anymore because, frankly, a lot of republicans are ashamed of it. so i think that you know, barbara bush may have a point here, the country may be tired of bushes already. i think that jeb is hesitant to get in, frankly, because of his last name is bush. >> i don't think they'd be tired of winning florida. there's a calculation there. >> absolutely. electorally it helps them to throw jeb into the race. i don't think they he can win the primary. he has donor class, for sure. >> right.
>> we confirmed that. he does not have the grassroots tea party support. maybe they'd get behind him because he can do better in a general but maybe not. >> okay. this meeting over the weekend was about a strong connection to israel. >> right. >> they're trying to out israel, president obama, and this is all about a hard line approach. >> right. >> so who wined that? >> well, i mean, it's not chris christie because he dropped occupied territories which really angered everybody and had to appall guide. >> yep. >> i think that certainly, it's pandering and it's ugly pandering, and you know essentially we're allowing a billionaire to buy our president and that's not okay. they need to get away from just going to vegas and kissing the ring. what's next? atlantic city the day after miss america? >> let me tell you what will happen here, we'll know if jeb bush is serious when he starts talking about obamacare. >> right. >> when he starts talk about that, we know that jeb is doing more than kissing babies and
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welcome back to "the ed show." this is a story for the folks who take a shower after work. well, here we go. anti-union folks are trying to confuse the public about the benefits of last week's ruling for football players' legal right to unionize. where do you think the ncaa is going to be? mark emmert is also on the wrong side of the issue. >> i don't think that unionizing student athletes and turning them into unionized employees of universities is a way to improve their success. if they drop a ball, do they get fired? how do you recruit them? do you hire them? trade them? what that looks like is anyone's guess now. >> you mean to tell me coaches don't make personnel change news, mr. emmert? give me a break. the national labor relations board ruled in favor of the
football players at northwestern university last week saying they are employees. yeah, they do lose their positions, they get fired. it's an unprecedented victory for college athletes. smart athletic directors are going to embrace this. they should jump on it right away to use it for a recruiting tool. we'll protect your son, mrs. johnson. anti-union groups say that student athletes are looking to be compensated or the paid to play. they got it all dead wrong. that's not what this is about. the national collegiate players association has long championed for the rights of college athletes. the group help northwestern football players in their fight to unionize. the players have legitimate concerns which they need addressed. this rule willing give them the protection they deserve. it's going to be interesting, and this is going to be a firestorm there is going to be other colleges that are going to be coming on board to this. 17,000 players are signed up with kappa. kappa has been in effect inside since 1997. and they won't even give the
ncaa won't even give kappa an audience to address certain issues such as health care, such as long-term injury, such as expense, such as scholarships, and also concussions. chris kluwe is a retired punter for the minnesota vikings. he joins us tonight. chris, good to have you with us. >> yeah, thanks for having me on. >> your impressions of how this could snowball through college athletics. who what do you think an end game here could be? >> hopefully the end game is the dissolution of the sham that is the ncaa. you look at the ncaa, this is an organization pulling in billions of dollars a year. you have coaches who are making millions of dollars a year and you have athletes who don't see any of that and are pushed in degrees that aren't going to help them. and all it's doing the s trying to keep them eligible so they can play and make the university more money. >> they have the opportunity to be on the correct side of labor on this. what do you think about their move to appeal the ruling? i mean, they're making a stand early on. they're saying they're going to
appeal this before april 9th. >> yeah, well, i think this is something that is inevitable, especially as more and more people become aware of the fact that football and other sports are very much health issues. the fact that these kids are playing these games, and 99% of them won't go pro, but they'll still have to deal with these injuries that they suffered later in life. so if they make their university, if they make the ncaa a huge amount of money, why can't they see some of that to take care of themselves later on? >> it isn't about, you know, money. it's not like these major college football players want to make a half a million dollars a year in their senior year. that's not it. and it's not about union dues. >> no. they just want to be protected. >> that's really what it's all about. do you know players who have had debilitating injuries that have bothered them the rest of their careers and have had to have surgeries? >> i've played with tons of guys who have torn acls, dislocated shoulders, and it takes its toll. the thing is when you're young, you bounce back from that pretty
quickly. but as you get older, you get in your 40s and 50s, that really starts adding up on your body. at that point how are you going to go back to the university and say hey, i did this for you guys. are you going to take care of me now. there is no system in place for that. >> what about athletic directors embracing this and this might be the right way to go. why do you think they're against it? >> i think they're against it because the ncaa is against it. and the ncaa wields a lot of power over schools. they can threaten them with sanctions. but really, what the schools should be doing is saying look, we don't need the ncaa anymore. well don't need this organization anymore. clearly, it's not working. it's not in the players' favors. it's making schools a lot of money, but society is going to look at it and say this is not what we want to stand for. >> this now puts parents into the mix that when a college recruiter is in the living room the parents are going to be able to say what are you going to do for my son if he gets injured. and that is now going to be a recruiting tool as i see it.
what college is willing to step up and make the commitment for the long haul. what about that? >> right, exactly. and that's a huge recruiting tool, because right now there are players who are recruited who they can have their scholarships revoked for absolutely no reason if a coach decides that he wants a different player, for the coach decides that the player got injured and he is okay, well, you're not going to help the team anymore. tough luck. better luck next time. hope you got an education. and really, that doesn't happen. >> what do you think? do you think it's going to end up in the supreme court? that's what the ncaa is saying. they'll willing to fight this all the way. >> i think it will end up in the supreme court. and i think the supreme court will come down on the side of the athletes because they're going to look at it and say, you know, these kids have a right to unionize. they have a right to protect themselves. they have a right to the value of their appearance, which means, you know, other people can't profit off it without them being able to do the same. >> there is one other issue here, and that's graduation rates that kappa wants
addressed, that a lot of the athletes when they get done with their eligibility they get kicked to the side of the road like road kill and none of the universities are going to stay with them. they want the graduation rates to be increased. they say there is plenty of money to do that. chris kluwe, great to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, a historic day for health care. we're just hours away from the deadline to sign up for president obama's health care law. despite the naysayers and the petty efforts to dismantle this law, it's working. and it's here to stay. today we learned that nearly 10 million previously uninsured americans have gotten coverage through the affordable care act. 10 million. yes, there have been hiccups along the way. even today