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>> thanks, lawrence. >> chris hayes is up next. is nothing sacred? let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in san francisco. let me start with this relentless shameless effort to accomplish anything by the president of the united states. worse than any of it, the attempt to kill obama care in its crib. refusal to back immigration reform. rejection of obama's plea for congressional action even with the border crisis, cold blooded opposition for background checks. worse than any of that are the poll numbers showing that the average republican out there is as feverish as elected officials and want and hoping the president will go down in the
dirt. this is the fact facing voters. can a political party win the minds and hearts of the country by promising to do nothing? nothing but destroy the efforts of the other art party to govern. republicans are rooting for their leaders to knock down president obama. according to a new cnn poll, conducted earlier this year, 73% of republicans hope that president obama's policies fail. only 14% of republicans hope they succeed. that's 59 point negative margin. compare that to how democrats view president george w. bush in his sixth year, a year after the cia's final report that found there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq which debunk of course the entire justification for the iraq war. even then, six years into his presidency, 40% of democrats wanted bush to succeed.
51% wanted him to fail. those numbers are from a fox news poll taken in 2006. let me go to michael. there's a real difference facing george w. bush. by the way, that's with all his limitations. and nasty hatred of the republican rank and file of this president to the point of something like four out of five wanted him to go down in the dirt. failed on every single thing he tried do. sometimes even if they agree with it, they fail. >> democratic support for bush on major bush initiatives wasn't that low. i've looked up these numbers on the five or six really major things that bush did and countered percentages on the tax cut, on the war vote, on the no child left behind. there was pretty good democratic support. the only big bush thing that didn't get a lot of democratic support was medicare reform of 2003. but other than that, democratic support for bush was about a third. something like that on capitol
hill. republican support for obama on his major things, 5%. 2%. it is nothing. this is not new. this goes back to 2009. very first week of the administration, the stimulus bill. so it is something that has been a constant for six years. believe you me, remaining a constant for the next two and a half years. >> i remember, and i think you were with us on this in the country, at ground zero after 9/11, everyone wasn't running around saying, i hate bush, he let this happen. everyone's first response was, let's see what we can do to deal with it situation. totally different reaction in the first instance. every time obama tries something, in the first instance, it is kill obama. >> i remember, you and i, chris, were critics of the war before the war. once the war started, hoping that it would succeed. hoping that cheney and bush were
right and that i and you were wrong. i didn't want it to fail. i didn't want it to happen. but once it happened, i didn't want it to fail. there are two things that are overlapping here. we talked for years about republicans and conservatives see obama as illegitimate and they don't want to see him get credit for anything. the other thing here is ideological. the republican party moved so far to the right they only stand for one thing now. that is government is bad. government is a problem. government never works. you put those things together, and they don't want to give obama any credit and they don't want to see the government do anything good because it undermines their only raise on -- their only reason to be at this moment, if you're republican, is to dump on government so you can't concede there is anything right. there is obama care, stimulus, any other initiative. >> and no other candidate they want to see as president. anyway, latest example of the
gop dance of death over yesterday's d.c. court of appeals decision which was brought the case, the case was brought by former bush appointee and cheered by the hard right. that shows the length the republicans will go in their efforts to destroy the signature achievement. in yesterday's wash post on-line, here is what he wrote, consider what it is republicans are asking the courts to do here. they, the republicans, want millions of americans to lose subsidies they got this year and most cases making health insurance he completely unaffordable for them. we found a mistake in the law. so you people are screwed. it isn't the first time republicans have tried to topple the aca, by deliberately trying to find ways to hurt people. republican governors in 20 states. which means that nearly 6 million working class people, not rich people in those states,
won't have access to health care under the law. and on top of that, gop led the charge in the 36 states reducing to even set up their own health care exchanges. now in some cases, purposely making it harder for people to navigate into the system. back to you, michael. the question is, i'm going through all of the inches here, gun control, economy, border, most recent border crisis, can't we get an immigration bill through. seems like they are not just freezing the bar in basketball terms, old four corner offense, what they are trying to do is make sure that the country hates its government. it doesn't like it because it can't do anything. they make sure it doesn't do anything. that seems to be the strategy. >> very conscious part of the strategy, no question about it. they know they are the party of antigovernment as david just said. they know very well that if the american people hate government and don't trust government and don't believe in government, in the long run, probably in the short run, too, they are the ones going to benefit. on the health care issue, you
know, think about the longer context of this, chris. i remember as both of you guys do, we started talking about the millions of uninsured in this country back in reagan's time. back in the '80s. 15 million, then 30 million, now before obama care, 45, 46, 47 million. in all those years, the republican party hasn't done one thing to try and ensure these people, not one thing. democrats tried twice. failed once, succeeded once. and republicans fought tooth and nail every step of the way. thinking up every strategy they could to try and destroy an effort to give them health coverage. >> president obama -- congress addressing back in 2008 will, saying the gop pundit on the issue blaming the president and advance the lawsuit against the executive authority. today a republican working finally unveiled something of an outline.
that's what we need, an outline. even then, speaker boehner wouldn't commit to bringing anything up until recess. eight days, that's all they have left before vacation, nothing will get done. he did take another crack at obama. here is the speaker of the house. >> what the president is asking for is a blank check. he wants us to throw more money at the problem without doing anything to solve the problem. we've got a humanitarian crisis on the border. it has to be dealt with. the president clearly isn't going to deal with it on his even. even though, he has the authority to deal with it on his own. >> you know he, sometimes, david aykroyd, or whatever his name, is imitating the speaker of the house -- >> dan aykroyd. >> you know, you only have to go back a few months ago when they were talking in ohio. he said the problem is his own
guys saying, it is too hard, it is too hard. they could pass immigration reform in two minutes. bring it to a vote in the house. at least 25 will vote for it. and it's done. this whole song and dance about obama being weak, not doing anything, not caring, he is not dealing with the humanitarian crisis, yet, what is happening on the house side? absolutely nothing. and they are going away. taking time off. not dealing with the immigration crisis at hand. the question, chris, is how does boehner continue to get away with this? >> really modest gun control bill. really about people keeping unstable people and criminals from getting guns. i don't understand that. anyway, in pennsylvania, here is what he said afterwards. he explained how colleagues are banning the effort, quote, there
was someone on my side, republican side, not wanting to be seen helping the president get something done. i will give you this run through. on every single big ticket item the american people care about, whether immigration, crisis on the border right now or gun control or economy or anything. health care. the republicans position is nada, nothing, nothing, nothing. can they get away with it this fall? last question, michael. >> yeah, probably. because the simple fact is that the democratic base isn't revved up to vote about something and the republican base is revved up. and the person that doesn't pay that much attention to politics and may not be that disciplined a voter, your average person looks at it and thinks oh, dysfunction. both of their faults. it is everybody's fault. no, it is actually not. big percentage of the americans
support immigration reform and are supporting the obama care bill at least to the extent of saying let's repeal it and try to fix it. you know, they will get away with it. >> chris, my dad always told me when i was younger, don't get in a fight with a skunk, you can't win. you both come out smelling bad. i think the republicans know that. they want to get their stink of government dysfunction on the democrats and make everything murky and a mess app and as long as there isn't a media that cuts through it and gives it a clearer message a lot look at washington. a lot of the districting so there are a lot of safe districts and democrats need 55% of the vote nationally to win back the majority of the house. that's not fair, but that's the way the game is rigged by the republicans. >> there are not always two sides. thank you michael and david. coming up, democrats have a
plan to turn georgia blue. not in 2020 or 2016, but right now. change is making the best shot for the democratic pick-up this november. can you shoot down a civilian plane and pay no price? so far the europeans seem afraid. the russians are suffering in consequences. plus, fewer voting machines. attempts to end weekend voting all happening in ohio. we will talk it a lawmaker fighting back. how desperate is michele bachmann for attention? this is "hardball," place for politics. look younger in 8 weeks?
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take a look at this new poll. set off a battle between david perdue and democrat michelle nunn in the contest in november. a politics polling average has the two tied. purdue is expected to gain some ground in the next few weeks as republicans consolidate their base from a tough primary fight. but polls give hoping they can turn the red state blue because of a huge democratic state in georgia, lowering the playing field. not nevada, north carolina had a change that said favorable for
democratic. that gives georgia democrats hope they might win a race, which they viewed as a lost cause years ago. roughly 1 million new nonwhites registered to vote. that's just over a hundred thousand white voters. about 10-1, nonwhite advantage in the last several years. now democrats hope to turn those numbers into a win for michelle nunn. the opinion writer with the washington post and of course msnbc political analyst. john, let me ask you about the numbers. what does this say to republicans when they say the demographic shifts. a million new voters in this century. only a hundred thousand white voters that vote republican in the south. >> this is no surprise to the rnc. there is a report about how they embrace reform. the fact of the matter is that
republicans have to do a better job of attracting voters from hispanic regions and from african-american communities. if you don't do that, you will be overrun and be a minority party. i think the rnc has been on this and i have been long immigration reform. it helps us have a better conversation with hispanic voters. if we don't do that, we will be a minority party. >> this is opportunity, at least, for democrats. maybe more than that given patterns. but you also have this problem of moral right now. seems like if you look at numbers in the polling, the red hots people dying to get into the voting booth this november continued to be the conservatives on the republican side rather than progressive or minorities in the democrat side. >> that's exactly right. so if there is to be an upset in georgia and michelle nunn is to
beat david perdue, it'll only be because democrats managed to do something they don't usually do, which is get their people out to the polls in large numbers in an off-year election. and that's not an easy thing to do. it is not impossible to do, i don't think. and given the way the state is changing, i think there's a real shock there but it is still uphill. >> what do you think it is about georgia. i have always noted, looking back at close races there, 92, 96, is it just a big city aspect of the urban aspect to draw the magnet of atlanta. is that what is making it more after non white state? what is singling it out from the other southern states in that region? >> if you are asking me, chris, the draw of metro poll tin atlanta for middle class and rising african-americans is well established. people flock to that area and it has become sort of a, you know,
a black mecca for people who are inspiring the new great things. so that's been a big factor. and look, there's a lot of black folks all along, some are just newly registered and so it is -- i put georgia where north carolina was. maybe in 2008, you know. who knew it was going to go in the democratic column. >> nice thing to say john -- let me say something nice about georgia. they say it is the city too busy it hate. that's a nice thing. your thoughts, john? >> eugene is right. i think also over the years, a lot of african-americans flocked back it georgia. but also have you a huge influx of hispanics working on the farms and different agriculture interest in the state. that's what's led it a bolstering of the hispanic community within georgia and made it an opportunity for republicans if they have that
conversation. >> yeah, 500,000 new hispanic voters since 2000. democratics alone won't turn georgia blue this year. turning g into mitt romney with wealthy elitist with a questionable corporate background. new york times writes today quote mr. purdue was chief executive of a textile manufacturer that went bankrupt and closed in 2003 leaving 7500 people unemployed after mr. purdue left the company. and the geo primary made ready made attacks to use in the fall. purdue criticized, a fellow opponent, one of them with, for only having a high school degree. and others for not living outside the united states. this may not fit well with regular people down there. let's watch. >> look at the background, look at credentials. >> okay. >> i'm sorry, these issues are so -- there's only one candidate
in this race -- >> what an odd thing to say. you're supposed to have time living outside the united states for your -- i don't know, your construction of your personality and mind? perdue's primary candidate, profiting in business, while their employees lost their jobs. here is part after video, a senate campaign committee already set out. >> david, your golden parachute was $42 million over two years. not bad work if can you get it. >> david, it doesn't take a college degree to figure out with your record of sending out college degrees, giving out thousands losing their jobs you walk away with millions, you took millions in corporate welfare even as you have gone across the state railing in debt you contributed to it. >> your whole lifestyle is based in a different way.
you have done well for yourself. but you live inside a gated community and have a gate at your house. how do you work with john q. public when they come up to you and have questions? >> gene, not too personal. good ahead and, the guy lives apparently behind two gates. the community gate and household gate. i'm not sure it is true but it is sound -- it is iconic, i would say. >> it certainly establishes an atmosphere around the i go and maybe that can be kind of effective. i tent to think if you are going to motivate democrats to come out, you got tell them, the bad things that are going to happen if they don't. so here is a vote. to torpedo the affordable care act. here is a vote that is going to try to restrict voting rights through more stringent loss.
here is a vote that will try to further restrict women's reproductive rights. you got to tell democrats that look, there are things at stake here. and if you -- if you don't vote, you know, and they go the wrong way, then you just only have to look at yourself. >> let's get back to the fun stuff, john, i'm glad you're on the show tonight. can you respond to this. remember when john mccain didn't know how many houses he owned. i thought that was pretty good. i also like the fact that mitt romney had an elevator for cars in his house. i don't know about gated community but i don't think it measures up to those two babies. your turn. >> obviously, having an impact on him -- >> a garage -- >> other thing, if david perdue won the primary. and the third point, the perdue name is well known in georgia for being a name of health an a very popular governor with the same last night. so eugene's right, he's got
attack issues that people feel this early. i don't think the class warfare stuff necessarily works. i think that michelle nunn has to figure outweigh to inspire minority voters. think that i that's the biggest problem. >> thank you for coming on. thank you gene robinson. up next, turns out no one is above the law. that includes sarah palin. that's coming up. stay tuned for "hardball," a place for politics. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance
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and the loser has to sit for 24 straight hours watching the person he is best known for unleashing on the world. >> those are high stakes. welcome back to "hardball." that was jon stewart responding to nasty shots at his show from a ticked off senator john mccain. meanwhile, michele bachmann's wondering out loud why no one is paying attention to her any more. absent from the presidential field in 2016, minnesota politician appears it feel neglected. she said the only thing the media speculated on is that it is going to be various money in the running. they haven't speculated for instance that i'm going to run. well, what if i decide to run? and there's a chance i could run. don't think it is a gender thing. not this time at left. potential candidate getting most of the media attention is hillary clinton. another republican making
headlines today is, spoiler alert, sarah palin. not her politics that has grabbed momma grizzly's attention this time, it is her led foot. former alaskan governor was pulled over last week. she was going 63 in a 45 mile-an-hour zone. but miss law and order said, i wasn't speeding, i was qualifying. she joked it wasn't all her fault. she said she was listening to sammy hagar's "i can't drive 55" on the radio at the time. she paid the ticket. a republican argument against raising minimum wage. actor harry hamlin portray egg john boehner in a new clip of "funny or die" why he gets one or two facts wrong in real life. how it really is for the minimum wage guy. >> jack in the box cashier may make $50 a day but if they work real hard they could get $200,000 bonuses.
>> they don't get bonuses. >> you don't know what you're talking about. of course they do. this is america. stand over there, please. what about the company car. take the taco bell fry clip to work. or executive steam rooms at wal-mart. have you ever been in a steam room? >> good for harry. we're right back after this. here's what's happening
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>> welcome back to "hardball." in a somber ceremony, victims from last week's air downing arrived home in the netherlands. two military transport planes carrying coffins. it's been six days since a missile from eastern ukraine brought down flight 17. u.s. intelligence set russian backed separatists probably fired the missile but did not have a direct role from the government. at least not yet. two ukraine warplanes were shot down close to where flight 17 came down. rebels took responsibility in this case. of course, it fits a pattern. and days before flight 17, other ukraine warplanes in that area
were shot out of the sky and now two more today. nbc news reported that russia is providing military equipment to remember els including tanks and carriers. senator obama is imposing harsher sank sanctions on russia. but sanctions are a tough sell. william taylor serving as ambassador to ukraine. mr. ambassador, thank you so much. lay it out for us. what can the united states do? what do you think we should be doing this the days ahead about this horror? >> we should be leading the international attempt and effort to put on serious sanctions. sanctions across sectors of the russian economy that really have an affect on the russian people and decision makers.
that's not only thing. we should be supporting the military and leading the effort to provide financial assistance to generate international financial assistance for the ukrainians. but the europeans, as you say, they do a lot of trade with the russians which means they could have a real affect, if they were to support the sanctions we have put on. the europeans need to step up. >> there are country men in many cases. europeans who went off on a strip they felt would be a delight. killed in mid flight for no reason at all. will that wake up europe? >> i believe it will. i believe it will. i think you are exactly right. this is a game-changer. up until now, past several weeks, we have been asking ourselves and asking europeans
what is it going to take for to you take this conflict seriously? tragically, taken this disaster, this disaster, taken that tragedy, to bring them to their he is notes but i believe the game has changed. i believe they will now step up for the reasons that you said. >> here in the united states, three powerful democratic senators are urging president obama to impose far stronger sanctions against russia, including on the defense energy and financial sectors. senators dianne feinstein, carl levin and robert menendez wrote, we understand and strongly support your effort sanctions with key allies. and we encourage further cooperation. however the united states must not limit its own international strategy when swift action will helpful fill the strategic. howard, my friend, this is a tough one.
can we do something along or do something if we can't lead? sometimes i wonder if we will do anything here, then i do want to give the president a few days to get the facts solid. do you think he is waiting to get the facts solid to play hard or just waiting for time? what do you think? >> i think the latter, chris. i think he is playing for time. the fact is that united states is going to really dive into that situation there. that means sending or helping to spend billions of dollars worth of new economic aid to ukraine, a country struggling terribly in the economy. that means real help for the ukrainian military which is vastly overwhelmed by the russians. it means a truly act, truly tough effort to get the europeans to go along, europeans as you know rely in terms of economic -- in terms of trade with russia in terms of reliance
on russian energy. relying heavily on russians and not in knowing history that they know, they are not real eager to back russian niece a corner. a small detail perhaps but this is interesting. germans suggest that russia be denied the privilege of hosting the 2018 world cup which they are now scheduled to do. but interestingly, the dutch, that have the closest relationships with the russians diverge. let's talk about that later. >> in the west, there is consensus that russian backed rebels were responsible for bringing down that plane. but in russia the view is very different. largely state-owned russia media is producing a steady stream of conspiracy theories that all absolve russia of any guilt. here are a view according to the are washington post. a theory said that ukrainian flight dispatcher intentionally steered that jet into a war zone
to get it shot down. and there it was filled with dead bodies from take off. people are hear heavily influenced by russian television. a woman said there wag something suspicious because all of the passports of the people on plane were new and been collected in one place. and because most of the bodies were without clothing. were they all having sex before the plane came down, before the woman, who identified herself as tatiana? as concerned for her safety? excuse me, mr. ambassador, help me. why would people be so sick that they would make a joke like that about dead people? >> chris, that's a commentary on the state control of the media in russia. if you take a look at russian
media, it is dominated by the kremlin. if you take a look at the other hand on the media in ukraine, under you have an independent media. not only that, have you a strong civil society. you have people there who forced the government out. this is a civil society that has power and has influence, and that's the difference between ukraine and russia. russia is totally dominated by the kremlin. >> is the president arraying his evidence to there will be a dramatic moment in the next week when he goes before the security council, susan rice will -- excuse me, not susan rice, but samantha powell will, and present the hard evidence this was a russian supported effort to give this weapon to people who shouldn't have had it in their hands and therefore, they are accessories before the fact. i ask again, is he just playing
tore time, hoping they drift away, so many crises end up doing? >> i think probably the latter, chris. they said they think the russians are responsible. although russian advisors are on the scene at the time. i don't know what further evidence they will find and i don't know that urgency will be increased in the days ahead. and i don't think he wants to go it alone. i don't think he will go there without strong european support. the americans, slice of the russian economy, it is pretty small compared with europe and the european sanctions that would really fight deeply in russia. and frankly, the world is in such a mess right now,some different conflicts going on in different places they are actually some places where we
still want to do business with the russians where we think the russians can help us in some regards. so it is a complex game going on right now. some people think the president will miss, frozen by the complexity of what he sees. on the other hand, it is tricky. knowing this president and having covered him for six years, i don't see him charging off on his own with a big expensive effort to try to reign in the russians in ukraine. i would like to think he would. i think a sense of deis notally almost requires it, but i don't think that's in the cards. >> what i want to see is a clarity of fact. we can't win the argument but we can state the fact so everyone in europe especially notes who is responsible for this. it will go down into their hands and hearts. no matter what they decide to do on sanctions or tried, they will know who the bad guy was. not just yelling and screaming but getting facts on the table. this is a test for our intelligence community. with the russian's hand in this,
i think we win in the long run. thank you for your expertise and passion. up. in, voting access in ohio, a key state. we've got a state lawmaker fighting back against that. this is "hardball," a place for politics. look younger in 8 weeks? i prefer today. clairol age defy color collection. with our best breakthrough gray coverage. lustruous, radiant color that looks 10 years younger. today. age defy color from clairol.
we've got new poll awning two of the most watched governor's races this year. let's check the "hardball" score board. in florida, according to a new quinnipiac poll, charlie crist, leads incumbent republican chris scott by 5. crist, 45. scott, 40. next, wisconsin, where top republican scott walker finds himself in a tight race against democrat mary burke. it is burke up 1, 47-46. i think he's going to do it. we'll be right back.
and grandchildren. we've got to pay attention to this. so let's be clear, the real voter fraud is people who try to deny our right by making bogus arguments. >> you tell them. we're back as we reported in the past, restrictive new voting laws by republican estate legislators over the last couple of years disenfranchise a dnc study estimates that over 170,000 people in the state of ohio gave up in frustration and walked away. president bush beat john kerry by only 120,000 votes. this gaming of the political process. increased absentee and early voting in the state, help expand the polls in 2008. republicans changed their minds
as they took over in 2011. ohio has seen new restrictive voting measures, including voting machines required in each county of the state. i cut the number of machines to vote. a shorter, voting period which is cut down by six days. longer lines on polling day. and also, two attempts to eliminate weekend voting, both of which were overturned by the court. it's no wonder democratic state representative has called her state ground zero in the partisan tug of war. she's calling for a state constitutional amendment to protect access to the ballot box, she joins us now. thanks for joining us. and tell me about emotions. you're an expert in this, you're working out there, it's nice to be appreciated and applauded. the people you meet in your district across the state, do minorities know the game that's being played on them? it's almost like the old literacy test and poll taxes. >> absolutely. you know, people in my district
and across the state of ohio are just upset about all of the different games that are being played with voting rights. i hear people tell me, i thought there was a bipartisan law that was passed that created early voting and provisional ballots, i told them, you know, that was the case, unfortunately, after the presidential race of president barack obama, the republicans felt that the wrong people in their minds came out to vote, and because it was not in the constitution, they're able to change those laws to fit the needs that they have. and so that's why we're going for voter bill of rights, constitutional amendment, and we have over 100,000 people who signed that petition in 90 days. >> do the republicans who are pushing this, do they ever admit the game they're playing in ohio? i know it's happened in pennsylvania, my birth state, where they came out and say,
we're doing this so romney can win. do the people of your state admit they're playing a game to keep the blacks and hispanics from voting? >> of course not publicly. they're not saying that but we caught some republican election officials who said different things about we don't want to make it easier for african-americans to come out and vote. this definitely is an assault on african-americans, minorities, this is an assault on college students and seniors. they came out in record numbers and elected president obama. they're doing everything they can, the voter intimidation billboard was across the street from my house. my even polling location took two years and a million dollar lawsuit in order for votes to be counted. this is real, and so that's why we're working on getting something more permanent. taking dr. kin's movement to the next level. the voting rights act, having to get that renewed every so many years, and then the supreme court ruling on the voting
rights section being unconstitutional, it's time now we think for a new people's movement that starts in ohio and goes across the country where the every day citizen has an opportunity to fight back, has an opportunity to decide what their voting rights are, by putting it in the constitution, that's what we're doing here in ohio and hope to do it around the country. >> a lot of times they're going to vote out of defiance, they know the game is being played against them, they're going to make a special effort to vote. i think that happened to a lot of states in 2012? >> absolutely, ohio it was the case here. more folks turned out in 2008, when those voter intimidation billboards go up, i saw generations go out to vote. >> good work by you? >> we're going to keep fighting until we get into the
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separatist territories. they speak as if dead bodies have been placed on a malaysian plane at takeoff. this accounts for some of them being naked when thrown from the plane. this is the nonsense you get when you get your main news source from vladimir putin, a former kgb. this is what you get when there's no new york times or other quality newspaper on your doorstep, when the very idea of objective truth does not come to mind. truth is what you accept, having had your head filled and heart impassioned by the propaganda's serving putin. whenever you get angry with an editorial in this country or this show. remember, there's a real difference between having and
offering an opinion, and burying the facts. as the great senator daniel patrick moynihan once opined, you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. vladimir putin never got that message. that's hardball for now, thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. deadly inferno. then, a 4th of july celebration goes explosively off course. while taking off in a jet turns into a fight between life and death. and falling from 9,000 feet, two skydivers free themselves before it's too late. >> you have to do something or your you're going to die. >> sometimes the best-laid plans