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united states says russia violated a ronald reagan brokered ban on cruise missiles. forget this wall, how about tearing down ragan's legacy. am i right? >> the spth ramping up the president on vladimir putin. accusing russia of violating a key treaty dating back to the cold war. >> this is in the 24 hours trying to get europe to catch up to the u.s. when it comes to sanctions against russia. >> for the first time, though, it does not seem that the palestinian factions are requiring israel to withdraw from the gaza strip. it would give israel at least time to continue to destroy the tunnels it says are a major security threat. 1:00 p.m. on the east coast. 10:00 a.m. in the west. in minutes, developing nulls aziz real's attacks on gaza
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intensify. here's everything you need to right now. european leaders adopt tough, new sanctions on russia. this response to the downing of malaysia air flight 17. and as if u.s.-russian relations weren't tense enough, the white house accuses russia of violating a historic arms control treaty that helped end the cold war. "the new york times" which broke the story says the u.s. will cite russia violating that treaty as far back as 2008. here's press secretary josh earnest just minutes ago. >> there have been reports that the president informed president putin via letter of our determination and as an indication that this is a matter that merits the serious attention of the lead earls of both the united states and russia. >> signed by ronald reagan and mikhail gorbachev in '87. the treaty bans tests of
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ground-launched cruise missiles. perhaps no surprise, putin already called gorbachev's decision to sign the treaty, quote, debatable. capitol hill, the house could vote thursday on a bill to address the crisis at the border. it would allocate $359 million to respond to the surge of minors. the president had asked for more. a lot more. nearly $4 billion. here's house speaker john boehner this morning. >> i think there's sufficient support in the house to move this bill. we got a little more work to do, though. >> even if the bill passes the house, it is unlikely to pass the democrat-led senate. in new hampshire today, the suspect in the kidnapping of a teenager appearing in court this very hour. kibby arrested yesterday accused in the kidnapping of abigail hernandez. she vanished from the school and
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resurfaced last week. authorities haven't said how she was found and quoted sources saying she was locked in a container on the trailer park lot for nine long months. a stranded whale watching boat is finally back in boston after a long, cold night out in the water. to see the relieved faces there, i think we have got footage of them. yes. 163 passengers. and crew. stuck on the boat from yesterday afternoon. until this morning. its propeller tangled in a lobber trap. stranding the boat 13 miles from score. the coast guard brought food, water and blankets and passengers will get a refund. $500 in cash and $100 gift card for another trip. because, why not? and overseas, a glimmer of hope in the middle east? today palestinian officials proposed a multistaged ceasefire. this after israel launched more than 76 strikes overnight
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hitting the home of a senior hamas leader, the hamas tv station and according to some accusations destroying gaza's only power plant. that caused a blackout in much of gaza city. before that strike, gaza residents say they're getting three hours of electricity a day. 1,156 palestinians have been killed so far. 53 israeli soldiers and 3 civilians in israel are also dead. let's turn to martin fletcher for the latest in tel aviv live with us. martin, netanyahu accused hamas of violating the five last ceasefires. what could be different about this one? >> reporter: well, if they didn't violate it, and if israel didn't continue rocketing, you know, to be honest with you, that's so much movement now towards ceasefire and so much talk of an imminent ceasefire, i have to say, i don't really know what's going on right now. the israeli -- the palestinians suggested proposed a ceasefire. they said all the palestinian parties had agreed to it.
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then hamas came out and said we don't agree to it. certain point, israel's saying we agree to a ceasefire under certain conditions and then there was later reports of different sources that the israelis do not agree and particular moment back and forwards and seems to me if there's a ceasefire will have dragged to it kicking and screaming, each side seems not yet ready for a ceasefire and responding to outside pressure to move towards each other and laying conditions for it. israel says it agrees to a conditional ceasefire as long as the palestinianless stop firing rockets and the palestinians say they'll agree if israel stops firing rockets from the air. so neither side has stopped firing. no ceasefire, ronan. >> martin, there were reports this morning that two u.n. staff members were killed in one of israel's strikes in gaza. do you have any updates on that? >> reporter: i'm afraid not much. we have been in touch with the united nations. they confirmed the two workers
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were killed, they were brothers. not clear yet how they were killed, an israeli rocket, driving in a car. the u.n. just hasn't said yet how they were killed but it does bring the number of u.n. workers in gaza killed now to six in the last three weeks, ronan. >> thank you for that update, martin fletcher. appreciate it. this is a job that nobody wants. trying to find peace in this chaos. john kerry right now illustrates the pitfalls. diplomat in chief defending himself against accusations of causing a growing rift with israel. take a listen to him this morning. >> look. i have taken hits before in politics. i'm not worried about that. this is not about me. this is about israel and israel's right to defend itself and our strong support for israel's right to defend itself. >> he's responding to barrage of criticism today. "washington post," kerry's big blunder. he's expended much of the energy
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in the region and made 12 trips over a last year. only to come up empty handed. this is one of the handful of this administration's foreign policy priorities that seem to be in freefall right now. joining me is richard haas. a pleasure to have you back, sir. first of all on the israel question, does kerry have any influence with any of the players? >> well, the united states and israel are to use a cliche on anything but the same page. secretary kerry wants a ceasefire. israel doesn't want a ceasefire unless it first takes care of the tunnels issue. gaza and the people in hamas don't seem to want a ceasefire unless israel first agrees to the loosening of economic constraints so there's a wide gap between the substance of the various sides plus the united states and israel on opposite sides of how to go about it. the fact that secretary kerry reached out to the quote/unquote friends of hamas, the government of qatar, turkey, rather than
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through the more traditional route of egypt and the palestinian authority. again, led many israelis to think we're going at this in very different ways. >> this is not a new problem or problem specific to john kerry. what needs to change for an american secretary of state to have success on this issue? >> ronan, it is good you're young because it may be a long time before we see success on this issue. not every issue out there is ripe for resolution and, quite honestly, if the definition of success is a peace between israelis and palestinians, the prereck sit simply aren't in place. they're not in place for something much less than that, which is a ceasefire. so, you know, in order to make peace you need party that is are both willing and able to compromise. and you similarly don't have that in the divided palestinian leadership. one side may be willing but not able. hamas is clearly not willing. israelis themselves are divided. you simply do not have the stuff
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of peacemaking. i don't care john kerry making 25 trips to the middle east. he's not likely to have a lot to show for it. >> not a lot of hope. you can see why kerry went through the less traditional actors, qatar, people to get hamas leadership. i want to -- while we are you here, ask about the priorities going so awry right now. devastating news out of libya, dramatic scenes and intensified fighting of militias forced the evacuation of u.s. embassy workers. is libya a failed state at this point? >> just about. it raises fundamental questions of american foreign policy. if you pursue regime change and i don't believe is warranted in libya but if you are going to do it, you can't then leave the day after you oust the king. you have also got to get there on the ground in order to help bring about a new stable political security economic order. so for the united states to have essentially participated in the
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ousting of moammar gadhafi but to have done precious little in the aftermath, that's a recipe for the sort of failed state we are seeing emerge in libya. >> seems like anywhere but on the leadership's radar since that ousting. another big priority we seem to have left by the wayside, even eager to get out of afghanistan and seen things worse. a lot of gains made by the al qaeda. taliban with a big report on this. 14 people were killed friday when the taliban shot up two mini buses. are we seeing afghanistan slip into the condition it was in before we came there? >> i sure hope not but you have got a lame duck government in afghanistan. the two would be successors to say the least at odds over who's legitimate. meanwhile, the taliban continues to act out of parts of pakistan and the united states has said it's going to leave no matter what in two and a half years rather than say we'll stay depending upon conditions. so, for sure, you're right to
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worry right now pakistan is -- afghanistan, rather, is on a slippery slope. it is not too late to arrest that drift. but the events of the last few weeks are a real stark reminder that we haven't yet put into place the foundations of a stable country or even a normal country. >> do you think the president should reconsider plans for withdrawal? >> absolutely. what i think he should do is once there's a new leadership in afghanistan, he should figure out a way that where the united states would be prepared to stay if afghanistan itself were willing to meet u.s. conditions, but yes. i think we ought to be willing to stay. like we have in other countries around the world for years, decades. the criteria ought not to be the calendar. it ought to be the conditions and whether it serves u.s. interests. >> a tough suggestion. appreciate it, richard haass. thank you for coming. up next, wayward cruise missiles. mother russia, this is not the
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think u.s.-russian relations can't get worse? think again. the white house is now accused moscow of violating a ban on deadly cruise missiles. those missiles are barred under a cold war treaty signed in 1987 aiming to end the use of devastating, ground-launched ballistics with ranges up to 3,400 miles including the cruise missile the u.s. says russia tested. democratic new york congress eliot rangel joins me now. thank you so much for being here. how solid is the evidence behind
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the accusation? >> seems to be solid and unfortunately in line with mr. putin's aggressiveness and just trying to bully everyone that he comes in touch with. this is a very serious provocation, no doubt. >> the eu the toughening sanctions on russia. what's next if the eu sanctions soent work? will the u.s. step in and take action on top of existing sanctions? >> let me first of all reiterate that we are talking about sanctions. no one's talking about war. no one's talking about boots on the ground. we are talking about sanctions. the u.s. is obviously currently negotiating with iran and the reason why iran's at the negotiating table is we imposed sanctions on them which has hurt their economy tremendously. the russian economy is equally fragile. and could be hurt with sanctions in the banking sector and military sector and i think putin has to understand that if
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he does things like this, ukraine, now the flaunting of getting rid of or not caring about a treaty, that they'll be a price to pay. i think the united states is leading and europe is following the way and important to have united front. >> and what do you think should come next? should there be stronger sector-wide sanctions? >> i think we have to watch mr. putin's behavior. certainly, what he's doing in ukraine, he's overrun crimea. he's annexed it to russia. now it's very clear that the separatists in eastern ukraine are being trained by russians, are being given all the military equipment by russians. the missile that took down that plane and destroyed so many innocent lives was russian and was given to the separatists and the training so i just think that we cannot sit idly by and i think putin has to understand
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that sanctions will come. there'll be strong, crushing and if anything backs him down, those will. >> congressman, some of the colleagues on the hill, chuck schumer, peter king, have been aiming for a boycott or a call at least to move the 2018 world cup away from russia. do you back that proposal? >> well, i think it's better to do sanctions that hit him in his economy. you know, we sort of play tit for tat in the 1980s and boycotted olympics in moscow and i think 1980 and 1984 having the los angeles olympics they boycotted our olympics. i'm not sure that's the way to go. i'm not opposed to it if that indeed helps change the equation but i think sanctions in the banking economy, military industry, and other industries are the way to go first. >> right. there are more powerful tools perhaps. >> yes. >> i did want to ask you about the pro-israel rally attended yesterday in front of the united
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states. ted cruz, christin gillibrand, this is how they describe it. denouncing the use of civilians as human shields by hamas and other terrorist organizations in violation of international humanitarian law. what's the significance of the resolutions? do they actually accomplish anything? >> well, i think it's important, you know, to show that there's a strong support for israel in the united states congress. it's bipartisan support. it's strong and should be at a time quh israel in my opinion cannot get a fair shake from the united nations, from the rest of the world. it's important for them to know that the united states stands by them, will continue to support them and help them with iron dome. and other things that they need and i think that's why the rallies are so important. i think the moral equivalency between the terrorist group hamas and israel that so many countries seem to have is just appalling and shocking, and israel needs to know the united states stands with them in their time of need. >> congressman, appreciate it. >> thank you. you heard the congressman on
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because we have an exciting announcement giving away the first 10,000 tickets out of the total 48,000 ticket that is are going to be given away for free to global citizens in exchange for activism as you said and actions in support of the world's poor. and so, we also have one other very exciting announcement to tell you. if you take action over 24 hours, so if you use hash tag on twitter #globalcitizenfestival we'll give two double passes, golden tickets, if you will, for people that tweet over the next 24 hours using the global citizen festival hash tag. everyone at the festival earned the way in and very exciting to see how already thousands and thousands of people entered the draw to be part of the festival. >> i think what's commendable and interesting to cover object this, not just using hash tags. you have three pillars of policy agendas and very specific actions for backing legislation to get more funding on a government level injected into
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the issues. we're tracking that as it unfolds leading up to that date. michelle, i wanted to talk about the role of businesses. what's in it for businesses? you have given $2.5 billion. >> it is great for business and with the caller pillar foundation's mission, it ties directly into the global poverty project mission of alleviating extreme poverty by 2030. and with their voice and giving everyone else a voice to activate, and make a difference in the world, the partnership is priceless and making a difference. >> and hugh, for people at home who are naysayers, saying they have heard this anti-poverty plea before, maybe decades before, why would you explain to them that ending extreme poverty by 2030 is possible according to the literature? >> the truth is that the last 15 years have been the most successful anti-poverty push in human history. so if you compare, say, 1981
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levels with 52% of the world's population in poverty and to 22% of the population in extreme poverty, it's been halved into our lifetime and the prospect of ending it altogether by 2030 is not a dream but a present possibility if we get the right policy environment right, but also, if we get the right interventions like dwag education for girls, health care, water an sanitation. these are the things to lift people out of extreme poverty and seen it around the world happening right now. >> there's examples of issues you have championed them and doing this and it's made a difference. substantially in the level of global funding, for instance, polio. we're keeping tabs on this. hugh, michelle, appreciate you being here. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. you can watch the festival live remember on nbc and msnbc, september, september 27th. today, coming up, life with enemies. tunneling directly underneath
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confront them? joining me, msnbc military analyst, medal of honor recipient, jack jacobs and the executive director of the jerusalem fund and the palestine center. thank you both for being here. colonel jacobs, we have news about the tunnels just today. the idf tweeted hamas combatants succeeded of emerging on the israeli side and five soldiers killed combatting them and then reports of planning on using these tunnels to execute an attack in rosh hashanah. how big a threat on they? >> they were a small threat and not very many of them and they built more, more sophisticated as you reported. and there are lots of them. interconnected and now very big threat, indeed. biggest threat is not necessarily just because every once in a while there's an attack from them. but that they can be used for a coordinated -- large scale coordinated assault on israel.
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>> take us inside a tunnel clearing operation. >> well, it is very labor intensive and very time sensitive and time intensive. we saw this, for example, when we tried to clear the tunnels in vietnam. and the same thing happened in the first world war. you and i were talking about it earlier. it requires a lot of people and a lot of time. you have to go down these tunnels with a sufficient force to make sure that they're cleared and secured and some of these are miles long. when you get to the other side, you also have to secure the area inside gaza. that requires fairly substantial numbers of troops in a coordinated effort, a platoon or more for each one of these. and then you have to bring the detonation cord and explosives in to destroy them. all this takes a lot of time and people and so not surprising that of the many hundreds of tunnels that have been discovered, only a very few of them destroyed so far. >> talking about destroying
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these tunnels, is that an operation that requires the kind of clollateral we're seeing? >> no. i don't think any goal justifies the carnage seeing particularly against the civilian population of the gaza strip. but i would push back a little bit on the framing of this conversation here regarding these tunnels. there's a lot of framing here about terrorism but as far as we know as has been reported these tunnels have been used in operations to target primarily if not exclusively military targets. i have not seen anything that points to the contrary but the framing of this as use for the exclusive purposes of terrorisms when, in fact, they're used to target military targets i think is quite misleading and i also think -- >> well, that's a complicated question if i can push back for a moment because the level of sophistication of hamas' technology prevents the precise
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tar getting to make your statement truly accurate. to the point about focusing overly on terrorism, actually did want to make sure while we have here and having this conversation we talk about not the use of the tunnels in terms of who they're targeting through them, but also, the use of the tunnels for completely noncombatant purposes and evidence to smuggle in food, medicine and developed of an economic lifeline to work around the blaockade. >> palestinians in the gaza strip particularly proficient in the project of building tunnels precisely because of this siege that's imposed on the gaza strip. and the closure of crossings into gaza to bring in the kind of goods that are necessary to keep an economy's head above water. everything from kentucky fried chicken to cars, to flour, to basic necessities smuggled in
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through tunnels under the border with egypt. of course, tunnel that is are going in a different direction and through israel and these are used for military purposes. but when we talk about permeating into the other side and terrorizing the civilian population there, we have to remember that, you know, the israelis enjoy unfettered access into the gaza strip on a constant basis with the use of papa which he helicopters and tanks and naval gunships and commit regular military incursions into the strip so the idea that this is only going in one direction, i think is kind of odd. >> and it will be interesting and purposes troubling to watch the impact of forinstance the mass closures of tunnels on the egyptian border with the humanitarian goods coming in and out as you mentioned. while we're on the subject of tunnels and military side of it and the balancing act of food coming in and weapons going out, what's the lesson learned from
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those historical examples? >> any assertion that these tunnels are humanitarian purposes ignores the facts in evidence. but ultimately, what will happen in this particular case is that the israelis try to destroy as many of them as possible. but recognize this. unless the israeli defense force also is able to occupy the gazan side of the border whence the tunnels come, that they're going to be dug again and this will continue. so that means that the israeli vs to make a very important strategic decision. how much of the idf is committed to this. and how long they're going to stay in gaza because if they don't stay in gaza, the tunnels begin again and without a cease fire that lasts a long time, this will be a relatively -- >> and closed off gaza, appreciate it.
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linguistics and studies communications and columnist and a journalist with firsthand experience in this experiment. mall gi, thou maggie, is this the new normal? >> i don't think it's a new normal. it's the old normal. websites have been doing this since they started, right? how did facebook go from face mash to facebook? how did they evolve any of their practices or anything? i mean, it's all experimentation. >> right. the question is one of transparen transparency, how much revealing in the policies up front. but i also want to look at the findings that okcouper revealed. some are pretty interesting. they had a love is blind day where they took down the profile pictures and found a 44% increase in first message responses. they found deeper conversations, they found a quicker exchange of contact details. john, are these experiments good
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at helping inform us about how human beings communicate? >> well, frankly, whether or not they are. the question is whether or not this information is important. finding something we didn't know already, which i doubt in this case, then maybe it's worth it to put people through the hideousness of interactions you know won't lead anywhere, when, people, for example, weren't compatible were put together. >> are you speaking from personal experience? >> no. >> you seem like you're crying. >> i can imagine how it feels. the findings need to be important and seems to me that it's ice creamy sort of things we talk about with a chuckle and this means it's a barbaric experime experiment. >> may be barbaric. strong words there. maybe less significant socio logically and more significants in terms of data to advertisers. coming back to that. but, dave, no empathy required in terms of your experiences. you went through this. you got an e-mail of okcupid saying as a result of this
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experiment, your alignment with a match was misstated at 34%. it was actually 64%. did you miss out on true love, dave? >> not on okcupid. >> just in life. >> my complaints is that it's like barely worth my time to begin with and really of all the sites sucks up my time. >> he's angry. >> wasting me time with false, you know, falsifying information about somebody and i realized not doimg it a whole lot and much more annoying and destroys their credibility i think with their own users. alike, i can't necessarily trust what they're telling me. >> right. here's the thing. it is about transparency. dave unhappy and tweeted about it a lot. he said this is obnoxious. it's misleading. there's a tweet. you were not happy at all. understandably so. you lost out on true love. maggie, here's the thing, facebook tried to hide their trail on this. they had a big blogpost at
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okcupid. is this a case of a company being more transparent than usual? >> i guess but i don't see what the big deal is about. i thought that the results were sort of interesting. i mean, i was an okcupid user and met my husband from that site. and i think it's interesting this people who, you know, if you're told that you're a 90% match, that you'll engage in a conversation with them. even if you ire not -- >> what's the point of the site? that's why you answer it. invest the time answering the questions. >> that's interesting because psychologically if you're told you're a match with someone, maybe you're more likely to engage with them. >> what was your match level with your husband? >> we were probably like 90%. >> all right. formula works. >> if i found out i was forced into an extended interaction with someone likely not going to work and then -- >> you're not forced. that's what i think was interesting about it is that you have, you know, you're being told that you -- >> you're misled. not forced. >> how did that go for you? >> it is misled.
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they lied about the results. >> you end up doing it when you wouldn't have. >> maggie, if you found out today that that match level with your husband was a pla anyplace lags for an experiment, how would that make you feel? >> i would be fine with it. we're actually pretty compatible. >> you have a real life relationship with him. >> the whole point of the sites is to actually get people to meet each other. right? i mean, you are not going to form a relationship or most people don't form a relationship completely online. right? if you do, i mean, some people maybe do and maybe not getting married. right? >> the point is to give you information because there's like thousands and thousands of people out there to cull through quickly the ones that you might be interested in with pictures, with profile or the percentage match and saying worth spending time on and if they're lying about what the person is reported, then they're screwing with you. >> maybe the results are telling you that all these things that you think make you compatible aren't what make you compatible. >> that's not what it showed. this is a study of high school
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students. >> very interesting thing to know but this is not the only way to find out. if i found out my wife and i matched on site, i would hold her hand and say i was mad as hell and not taking it anymore. it's the principle of the thing. >> you hear that? >> i find it interesting that the men are mad as hell. i don't seem to care. >> hearing more from you. hold the thoughts. appreciate it. and up next, a story that all of you will want to weigh in. tv set, chunk of wood. wait. you don't meet emoji? we are pretty excited about the next site. it is a dictionary for all of you after the break. ( whistle bl)ws alright, we got one shot. let's go twins-right 24 stretch. hit him with a hard count,ne... all diamonds on 3, break! see if they'll tip their hand. the nfl trusts duracell quantum to power their game day communication.
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it is so easy to dismiss you. >> what is wrong with emojis?
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>> a panda next to a wrapped gift? it makes no sense. >> seems pretty clear to me. yes, america is now multilingual. english, spanish, emoji. you know, those little faces and symbols increasingly at the fabric of our digital shorthand. next month we're going to see the biggest step yet, the launch of the world's first emoji-only social network. according to the new republic, there's an international consortium of programmers at work right now on the unicode standard to translate all our outdated language into the universal language of emoji. we're back with john, maggie and dave. this network got 50,000 subscribers within the first hour of being announced. is emoji moving into the mainstream? >> i think it already has. if you look at how many people are ending their text messages with little -- i mean, i'm
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always surprised. i've personally never gotten into it. >> i don't have emojis on my phone. can you believe that? >> i don't either. >> it's like stickers. kids like stickers. people like to express themselves. >> i think it's more and more the fabric of communication you see. yesterday we were covering tough stuff. someone chimed in and said, here's a summary of your show in emoji. it's a thing that happened. emojis originated in japan. they've now clearly gone global. some of the characters are the still quite specific to japan. as evidence of that, the bowing apologizing businessman. you see him there. what do you see in terms of the effect this might have on tech-driven communication across international lines? >> well, emojis are actually a wonderful thing. there's a cutesy aspect to them that i think traces to this sort of hello kitty japan business. as these things move on, it's a way to indicate the aspect of speaking in which we show how we feel about something, which is easy to get lost in writing.
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so often if you write something, you can't really feel the feeling behind it unless you go to a certain amount of work. emojis are a way of adding that aspect of things. linguists call it pragmatics. it's a lousy term. it's really an articulate thing be able to do. this idea that you can write something completely in emojis, i hate to throw cold water on it, but it doesn't work because you can't specify what you're talking about. what the emojis are for is to show how you feel about them, which is an integral part of how we communicate. >> right. certain parts of speech are very hard to get right in emoji form. i think we'll tackle that over time as this evolves. dave, even with those limitations, we've seen this infiltrate just about every pop culture frontier. katy perry did an entire music video in emoji. one of my personal favorites was this viral rendering of "the shining" in emoji. jordan peele, the comedian, did that. there it is. the family goes in a car to the
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hotel. there's a black guy, ice cream, kid with the shining. that's actually a great way to get into the question of race. they used the dark moon symbol for the black character in "the shining." john, do you think there's a limitation we're suffering from in terms of the racial diversity of these emojis? >> no, i think actually what we're going to see more is a gender skew. apparently women are more likely to use them and more richly. now, if black twitter is any indication -- and i'm going out on a limb here. if the fact there's a certain african-american affection for twitter that nonafrican-americans apparently don't have to the same extent, maybe it will be that black people and fellow travelers will use emojis more. but i think that the verdict is out at this point. >> and it's not just a black/white issue. do we have an image of what you have to go with if you want to render, for instance, someone who is arab or middle eastern? yes. it's not a particularly nuanced portrayal. dave, do you think emoji has to
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grow up before it goes mainstream? >> i'm with you. i think in a limited basis. i mean, i resisted using any of them for years. i found it way too cutesy. i do just the little smiley face thing. i find that yuuseful in text messages sometimes and different posts where it's not completely clear, could be taken a different couple ways. is this sarcastic or not? it's a nice way. i find myself doing that more and more. and now that my chief stalker really apparently burns him up. >> we have gotten so much information about your love life. okay. also, this has been an intelligent discussion. i want to see if we can part ways on an emoji savvy note. i have a message for you guys. >> you're sorry. >> you guys can translate. >> to see -- >> right, right. >> racially indeterminate people holding hands. >> you guys. >> oh, wow.
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okay. >> having to leave. out the door. >> leave. >> i'm sorry to have you guys leaving. thank you. it's been a pleasure. any responses you want to hold up? i think you have some. >> i don't really mean to be sarcastic. >> chicken? all right. so i think we've got a chicken wing, a flag, and a smirky face. some limitations to this medium. thank you for helping us unpack it. it's a pleasure. that wraps things up for today's "rf daily." thank you for joining me. up next is "the reid report" with my friend krystal ball today filling in. ♪ ♪ ♪
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