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for a meeting of nato leaders. the meeting comes after a similar visit today to the baltic republics, a move meant to reassure leaders there of u.s. support in the wake of russia's moves against another former soviet satellite, ukraine. we'll have more on that story in a moment. in a meeting with nato the president and his european counterparts will be focused on the terror group isis in part because of video released tuesday showing the execution of a second american hostage but also due to worries particularly in europe that some of the estimated hundreds of young men who went to the middle east to fight with isis could one day return to europe more radical e radicalized. chris jansing is traveling with the president in estonia. >> reporter: good afternoon, joy. i think when you heard the president say our reach is long and justice can be served, a determination to get justice for the two americans who were so brutally murdered by asis extremists. the question, of course, is what to do next, and he will be going to the nato summit in wales to
try to build a coalition with no indication that he is looking at least imminently at dropping air strikes in syria. of course, this was not supposed to be the focus of this summit and it's not officially on the agenda. it was focused on vladimir putin and what to do about the ukrainian situation. having said that, there's no doubt that throughout europe there is growing concern about what it means to have this isis threat looming. the number of americans and other westerners who have gone over there to fight side by side with isis, to train there, and the success of their propaganda operation. these videotapes are part of what many people believe, analysts believe, is one of the strongest parts of isis, which is their propaganda arm in recruiting fighters. and so all of this adding up to what will be a number of side meetings and certainly a very important meeting that will happen tomorrow morning between
the president and the prime minister of great britain, david cameron. joy? >> nbc's chris jansing. thank you. joining me now is michael o'hanlon who specializes in national security and defense policy for the brookings institution. michael, there is this focus from the president when he does talk about isis or isil as the administration calls it on the need to base any response in good governance in iraq. i think that has confounded a lot of people. i want to read you something that tom freedman wrote in "the new york times" today that captured the complexity of the situation and get your response. he wrote this, he wrote isis emerged as an extreme expression of resentment by one side. iraqi and syrian sunnis who felt cut out of power and resources by the pro-iranian shiite regime in baghdad. that is why obama keeps insisting america's military intervention must be accompanied for starters by iraqis producing a national unity government of main stren shiites, sunnis, and
kurds so our use of force support pluralism and power sharing, not just shiite power. do you concur with that conclusion? >> generally, yes. though it's worth underscoring isis and it's pre -- this was out of the legacy of saddam hussein's rules. we had matthew olson at brookings and he reaffirmed the roots of isis are really in the in people like zawahiri. i don't want to blame all the origins on maliki but he exacerbated the problem. in the absence 6 a more inclusive leader, you're not going to get the iraqi army to do what we need it to do, which is to go into the key sunni arab cities and uproot isis. you need a cohesive iraqi
government to get a cohesive iraqi army to take back those cities. i certainly agree with the bottom line. >> you have former baathist generals of saddam hussein who were not let back in the army after we disbanded it fighting with isis. it's not just the radical elements on the ground. you have former members of the iraqi army fighting with them. how much of this problem can be rooted out from within iraq or is there a necessity to also go into syria because that is where even we believe a lot of these hostages are being held. that's where we know isis is operating from. >> i think isis has to be uprooted in syria as well but we don't have to necessarily feel we have to do everything tomorrow or next month. i think in syria it may take longer because in syria you're going to need some kind of ground presence as well. ultimately you can use air power and a few special strikes or commandos to stop isis from expanding as we've done this sumner kurdistan and in now some of these cities between kurdistan and the heartland of iraq, but you can't really take back the cities unless you have
a good ground force and that's going to require the development of a good ground force in syria to go after isis. we only have two options. work with assad which is a pretty difficult proposition to swallow, or build up a moderate syrian opposition which is a long proposition, a long and slow process. i think you will have to ul ultimately take the sanctuary in syria away from isis but it may take, frankly, a year or two to get there. >> michael, how do you unlock this problem where you do have sunni extremist group isis that if we then fight that group, then you also have a basically sunni extremist group al qaeda. you have us now attempting to help a shiite-led government that we put there essentially in iraq, a government that's not sunni in syria we would be de facto helping and you have iran who is also shia. how do we avoid getting in the middle of a sectarian war on the side of the minority shia at
least in appearances in that region? >> it's a good question and it's a hard challenge, and part of the solution is starting as president obama has done with prodding the iraqis to form a government of national unity that includes some key sunni leaders. but also we're going to have to rely and fall back on some of the personal relationships that some american generals and colonels and captains developed over the years with their iraqi counterparts. i think we need to send back some advisory and mentoring teams to help the iraqi army, and some of those people will have been individuals who are deployed in al anbar province or sore sunni arab parts of iraq. a lot of times in the middle east it's the personal relationships that really can help. we have everybody at the high level, the general petraeus and general allen to people who were colonels and lower and petraeus and allen aren't going back but some of the lower people can perhaps be deployed as parts of the mentoring teams. we really should view the deployment of up to several thousand american military
personnel as an option we've got to consider. i think it would probably make sense partly to deal with the very challenge that you're addressing. >> michael, stay with me because there is more and it also has to do with relationships and friends. in his second speech in estonia, president obama was forceful about the west's determination to support ukraine. >> borders cannot be redrawn at the barrel of a gun. it was not the government of kiev that destabilized eastern ukraine. it's been the pro russian separatists who are encouraged by russia, financed by russia, trained by russia, supplied by russia and armed by russia. >> i want to bring in nina, an associate professor of international affairs at the new school and a senior fellow at the world policy institute. this is another issue where the united states has got to try to get our friends in the region to help us to deal with an intractable problem that's in their backyard. how successful so far has the united states been in getting
europe to buck up and to stand up to vladimir putin? >> a little bit. not greatly successful. the sanctions have been expanding. i think sanctions unlike other analysts who say they're not working, they might be working. not as much as the united states or europe wants to but they certainly do. every time there is a new threat of sanctions, putin sort of suggests he wants a political solution. the united states is not going to get a solution it wants, that is putin is going to back off. he's not. he made it clear it's his territory of influence, but he's willing to compromise. what that compromise would be is a good question. >> and i think dha that is what confounding. what are the levers one could use against putin. there have been strong sanctions europe joined. they have stepped up more than they did in the beginning or more than people expected. you have him becoming even more aggressive. it almost seems no matter what is done, you have this rapid reaction force deploying along
the eastern border. none of this seems to faze vl vladimir putin. >> what he thinks is he's responding to the west's aggression because that's how he sees it. i think we should understand that there is the u.s. and there is the european side and there is putin's side and he's not blaming himself despite whatever barack obama says. he thinks it's his sphere of influence and he doesn't almost understand why the united states wants to go to war with russia over ukraine which is clearly on that border. it is his territory, and what he has been doing, he was creating a frozen conflict which i think is going to be unresolved for years to come, maybe decades to come, and that is very much in his interests. so that is political solution that he wants, and that's what i think he's going to get. >> and, michael, if you're still with us, it does seem that vladimir putin doesn't understand what the conflict is. is there anything else that nato could theoretically do to restrain someone who doesn't think he's done anything wrong?
>> well, it's a good point, and very nice analysis by nina, although i would add one slight tweak which is i think putin does have a sense of agrievement but he knows what he's doing. he knows he's being assertive. he just thinks he has the right to be assertive. i don't want to portray him as simply being in a reactive mode. he will continue down this path. we will have to keep making the threat of additional sanctions very really. putin this week suggested he could be in kiev with his army in two weeks. obviously that's a worst case scenario. that's the kind of thing we have to make sure he doesn't do. and i think, you know, the idea of potentially weaning western europe away from russian energy sources to the extent that can be made credible, that's something putin can't afford to see happen. that would involve constructing various liquid natural gas terminals in europe, being able to handle more imports from beyond the continent whether the middle east or north america.
to the extent we can make that kind of possibility credible, then i think putin has got to think twice. my hope is he'll ultimately settle for some kind of frozen conflict in eastern ukraine. it's not a great scenario for us. it's not a great scenario for the eastern ukrainians but i think we can live with it. >> last word, does russia eventually back down or go further into ukraine. >> i don't think it will go further in ukraine but it will bite any part of that east ukraine border it can. it needs part of the ukrainian -- that territory because taking crimea out of ukraine without any other territory makes no sense and michael is completely right. it needs energy supply, it needs water supply. putin will stay there. >> nina, thank you so much. michael, thank you both. >> thank you. now to new develops in the deadly ebola outbreak that has now infected another american doctor. just a few hours ago, we learned that doctor is 51-year-old rick
sacro who with his wife debbie had been working in liberia. most recently the doctor was not working with ebola patients. he was delivering babies. earlier today officials talked about how he may have contracted the virus. >> a pocket that the ebola symptoms are not -- were masked and not presenting themselves with a particular patient who was admitted and cared for and possibly this was how the doctor contracted it. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez joins me live from charlotte, north carolina. we heard from an ebola survivor, nancy writebol at today's press conference. how did she seem? >> reporter: she seemed great. as she walked into the room, she had this radiant smile on her face and she was side by side with her husband, david, and it was really, truly amazing to see her walk in here just a few weeks after leaving emory
university hospital in atlanta. one of the most emotional parts of the news conference was when she described when she learned of her diagnosis. it was in late july. she had gone out to dinner with her husband and another doctor in liberia. after dinner she went to her room to rest while her doctor went with her husband to another meeting, and then a few minutes later her husband came back into the room and gave her the heart-breaking news. >> he said kent has ebola, and i have to tell you my heart sank. then david said to me, he said, nancy, i also need to tell you you have ebola. david came towards me to give me a hug and to put his arms around me, and i knew how dangerous that was and so i said, no, just no. and i said, david, it's going to be okay. it's really going to be okay. >> reporter: she spent a large part of the news conference
thanking the doctors and nurses at emory university hospital who helped her through this. she wanted to draw attention to the people of west africa who are still dealing with this deadly outbreak. joy? >> a very lucky lady. nbc's gabe gutierrez. thanks very much. and after the break, lawsuits have been filed requesting confidential juvenile records for michael brown. but what, if anything, does that have to do with the investigation into why the unarmed teen was shot and killed by police? and as war-torn gaza tries to rebuild, experts warn it could take decades. amon myman mohyeldin covered th conflict and he's here to give us his unique perspective. a body at rest tends to stay at rest...
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aside, but we still call upon the governor to use his considerable influence to ensure that justice and transparency occur. >> that group calling itself the don't shoot coalition held a news conference in the last hour to demand action in the wake of the michael brown shooting. the group, which is made up of clergy and activists, is calling on prosecutor bob mccollough to recuse himself from the case which is still before a grand jury. and as that st. louis grand jury deciding the fate of ferguson police officer darren wilson meets again, in another courtroom the trial of michael brown has officially begun. as reported by the associated press, both the st. louis post dispatch and a right wing blog out of california gotnews.com are asking a judge to release any possible juvenile records for the 18-year-old who was shot and killed august 9th. just this hour the dispatch reports according to a court official at this morning's hearing, he was never convicted of nor did he face any a or "b" felony charges in juvenile
court. the paper reports the judge has taken the issue of whether to release any other records under advisement. faith jenkins is an msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor. faith s there any precedent in a case where you have a decedent like michael brown and off police officer who has not yet been charged, off grand jury proceeding, to release the full juvenile record of the deceased? >> no, and especially in this state, missouri, because under state statute juvenile records are considered to be confidential, and so the two lawsuits in this case are basically alleging that michael brown doesn't have any more privacy rights because he's dead, and so when he died, his privacy rights died with him. so that's their main argument here. they're saying there is a sincere public interest in getting these records. they're not saying it has anything to do with the case at all. they're just saying it has to do with the public's right to know. and it's crazy. >> you have a newspaper who's covering obviously the case which is one of the two
plaintiffs, but you also have this right wing blogger out of california who is claiming without naming anyone that law enforcement authorities at local and federal level told him michael brown had a substantial juvenile record, specifically he had been charged with second-degree murder throwing out there things he has no substantiation for and then citing a previous case of a young man who was killed by a store security guard, and in that case the family fought the release of his juvenile records but the supposed reason for the request was to see what would have been the value of his earning potential over his life. so these are very tenuous claims. >> they are. let's distinguish, the main he's he's relying on is a 1984 missouri court of appeals case where the juvenile record was at issue and the court allowed the release of those records. there's a clear distinction. in that request the requestor was the defendant where the mother had alleged that the 18-year-old suffered a loss of
income and the mother put an expert on the witness stand that testified about this 18-year-old's loss of income. that expert also said the juvenile's history should come into play. so then the court said, well, here we have a case where a defendant is requesting as a part of his defense to discuss the juvenile's history. so there wasn't a request to release juvenile records to the general public. the requestor was a defendant in actual, real civil litigation. >> and the other thing is we did see in the trayvon martin case, you saw right wing blogs going after and trying to dig up information about the dead young man in that case. you now see another sort of right wing blog attempt paired with a leth gngitimate news organization which is odd, trying to find information. have you ever seen a case where the person accused of doing the shooting has their past out, whether they had a fight with their wife that morning, whether they had been taking a prescription. anything in any case, have you ever heard of that being done to the person accused in the
murder? >> no. and this is what's so interesting because we look back at what happened in -- with trayvon martin and these other cases. you see there's this notion here that this person who died didn't die just because of what they did that day. but because of who they are. and they want to dig up as much of the background and put the background out. remember, we have a grand jury that's seated now. these people aren't sequestered. any information disseminated to the public at large, these grand jurors could be privy to that information. so there is an all-out effort here, i think, to dig up information about these kids and put it out there because there's the underlying message. they aren't choir boys, these aren't innocent people. of course he did what the police officer said he did. look at what's in his background and we don't even know what's in his background because the juvenile records are confidence and they shouldn't be released. any judge listening to this case should look at the missouri stat suit and decide it in that way.
>> in the case of trayvon martin even after everything was splashed across the media of what was in the young man's cell phone, the judge ruled that can't come in. maddening. faith jenkins, thank you for helping us to understand what's happening. now, three things you need to know on this wednesday. theodore waivfer was sentenced a minimum of 17 years in prison for second-degree murder today. he apologized to mcbride's family just before the sentence was handed down. >> i am truly sorry for your lo loss. i can only hope and pray that somehow you can forgive me. >> chicago mayor rahm emanuel signed an executive order today to raise the minimum wage for city contractors and
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disease control warns the ebola outbreak in west africa is spiraling out of control. latest estimates say 1900 people have been killed. 10% of those are health care workers. new estimates show that the cost of rebuilding gaza could hit $6 billion and it could take up to 20 years under current restrictions to make the area whole again. nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin has done some of the most important reporting from gaza and he joins me here. $6 billion to rebuild an area much ever which is rubble at this point. what would it take to get that reblog going with the blockade still on? >> that is such a tough question. you can't even put a quantity on the buildings that have been destroyed. you can't put a quantity on the lives that have been destroyed. there is even behind all of those figures a human toll which is immeasurable. that's really the one you can't put a dollar sign in front of, families torn apart, generations
destr destroyed, people displaced from their homes and the psychological trauma. you speak to a lot of health care workers and aid organizations that spend time there, and they tell you you have a generation of palestinians, some who are 8 years old, who have lived through three wars. imagine the horrors they have grown up in in addition to making the social fabric of that society much more fragile. >> one of the stories so many people were impacted by that you did was the story of the three little kids on the beach that were killed. they have friends and school mates. school is now going back into session. you know, putting -- the impact on their families losing a child is immeasurable but what about the kids that are trying to go back to school? are there even schools to go back to? >> the classrooms will be overfilled. most of the schools are either u.n. funded or operated and there's a -- the majority of gaza are refugees from previous wars with israel. so as a result of that, a lot of
that falls on the shoulders of the u.n. relief agency in gaza that runs the schools and clinics. but you're absolutely right. i have been on the first day of school in gaza. i have seen the empty classrooms because children have been killed as a result of war. they save the seats empty for their friends. those four kids on the beach that you mentioned, they were all cousins, extended family. you're talking about whole families that have been wiped out. not individuals. and even if israel was going after legitimate targets, hamas targets, the end result was that it was the civilian population that was paying the pirice for that and that is the saddest tragedy in all of this. >> you look at the numbers, 830,000 gaz za residents receiving aid. the school for 240,000 is supposed to begin on september 14th. describe a little bit about the physical space we're talking
about. gaza is very dense. >> it's a very dense area. 1.8 to 1.9 million people living in 40 square kilometers. it's not that big. it's a very small area but keep in mind it's been years of socioeconomic degradation they have had to live through. u.n. officials in the past have called this the worst manmade disaster in the history of the world. they have been pushed to levels that they haven't seen anywhere else in the world. keep in mind even before israel withdrew its military and ended the presence of jewish settle ers there, they owned the majority of the land. they live in congested areas, very underdeveloped areas in addition to the fact that israel controls the territorial waters, the air space, and two of the borders in addition to egypt on the south. so it is being called the world's largest outdoor prison for a reason. >> people can't leave. i want to bring in chris who is the spokesman for the united nations relief which we were just talking about.
can you talk a little bit about, sir, what the u.n. relief agency is facing in trying to help the 830,000 gazans receiving food aid. the 20,000 with uninhabitable homes. those taking shelters in your u.n. schools which numbers 58,000 people. what is the u.n. relief agency doing? what can you do? >> well, joy, what we have seen in the last weeks is a massive and catastrophic human d displacement crisis because about 500,000 people or a quarter of the population of gaza at least was displaced. that human displacement crisis is turning into a homelessness crisis of massive proportions. 108,000 people minimum so far according to our initial estimates are without homes. now, we say that 20,000 homes have been either completely flattened or partially damaged,
but even if those are rebuilt tomorrow morning, the public infrastructure on which they are dependent, the water system, the sewage system, the electricity, that has all been also very badly damaged. so beyond dealing with the homes, the domestic problems there, is also the public infrastructure and as aman quite rightly alluded to, there are the scars you can see, the destruction you can see, and there's the destruction you cannot see. today in gaza 400,000 children at least are deep in trauma. of the at least 3,000 children who were injured during the fighting, at least 1,000 will have lifelong disabilities. these are the kinds of problems that we are having to deal with. we are determined to do so. we will be opening 245 schools for 240,000 children on the 14th of september. to do that we've got to empty out the schools that are now
housing over 50,000 people. so a huge humanitarian task ahead. >> and the idf sent a tweet out today about that start of school that made allusions to charges that they made against u.n. schools during the conflict. they said today was the first day of school in israel. school is a place for education and fun, if only hamas felt the same way. how has the u.n. reacted at this stage to the ongoing charges that your schools were targeted because they were part of the war on the hamas side, they were being used as part of the war? >> well, joy, let's be clear about one thing, there are effectively two education systems in gaza. there's the education system which is run by the de facto authorities and there's the u.n. system. our system i can say is one which is based on the universal values of the united nations. we teach, for example, an enriched human rights curriculum which is not caught in the hamas schools, but can i also say in
response to these idf charges, there is no evidence whatsoever that any of the schools which were attacked by the israelis, that were shelled by the israelis, that were hit, had any militant activity going on inside them. there may have been militant activity outside them, but to be clear, we are responsible for what happens inside its installations and i can assure you and i can assure your viewers that there was no militant activity inside any of the schools actually hit. of course, there were three occasions on which we proactively came out and told the world and condemned the fact that rockets had been found in our schools. these were schools that had been moth balled for the summer, had been shut up, and were being inspected by us in regular inspections. we notified all of the relevant parties, and we brought in international armament experts to assist local authorities in getting rid of them.
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>> i'm grace lee bogs, a very old woman. >> writer, philosopher, activist, revolutionary. >> i was born in the second decade of the 20th century and i'm still around. >> she's the subject of the new film "american revolutionary: the evolution of grace lee bogs." >> how did you become a philosopher. >> i will just go back 70 years. i came to detroit from new york in june of 1953. it was a city of 2 million, and if you threw a stone up in the air on the way down, it would hit an autoworker. >> in detroit grace became involved in the black power movement and met her husband james bogs who was himself a revolutionary thinker. >> and she is asian american. >> touched my hair to see how straight it was. didn't even ask questions about my family and what did my family
think of my living in a black neighborhood. i would say i'll decide where i live. >> my name is rosa clemente. i'm an afro latina hip-hop activist from the south bronx, new york, and in 2008 he was the green party vice presidential nominee along with cynthia mckinney. i became an activist on my college campus in the early '90s at the state university of new york at albany. >> i was organizing with a radical group, and detroit seemed like a good place to organize. >> it really started with me being able to take classes in african-american and puerto rican studies and really learning the truth of the civil rights movement. >> the '60s were a time when everybody wanted to organize and do something and change this country. there was a huge set of radical consciences in the black
community. so it was fun. >> not guilty of the crime of assault by force. >> i'll point to one specific moment that really for me was a turning point, and that was the rodney king verdict. >> after the beating videotaping shocked the world, the officers were found not guilty on every count except the one where no decision was reached. >> when i woke up to see l.a. rebelling and burning because the form officers that beat rodney king were exonerated was a huge turning point. >> what has happened since policemen accused of beating rodney king were acquitted has stunned this nation. >> let's try and work it out. >> i had read much about rebellions and the responses of young people against police brutality for a long time, but it was the rodney king verdict that made it real.
it made sense to understand why people were rebelling. i knew that we would always have to be organizing. >> people are out of a school of fish. they don't always go the same way. in a crisis some people don't even know there's a crisis and some people are immobilized and some people want to do something. how are we going to create a new vision for this country? the day after it aired on pbs, i received an e-mail from someone who lived in arizona, and he said, look, i should do this. i can solve local problems. >> activism is from the minute you wake up until you go to bed. >> there are people who are thinking other ways of organizing and i think the idea that you can do for yourself is
a very american idea. >> activism can happen with 5,000 people or it could happen when you're walking home and you see the police putting three black kids against the wall. are you going to keep walking home or are you going to stand there? are you going to watch? are you going to at least be a witness to what's happening? >> they're creating a new way -- i think we're in the middle of the second american revolution that's going to be as much a beacon to the world as the first. >> and rosa clemente will be answering your question online. you can submit your question by visiting the reid report.msnbc.com to tweet your question. t's okay. because a fresh start awaits. with exciting worlds to explore, and challenges yet unmet, new friendships to forge,
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yesterday a judge ordered them to be released, those prison officials insisted they spend one final night behind bars. mccollum remained shackled at the arms and legs as the courtroom erupted in applause. >> i'm sad but i'm glad they're home. i'm glad they're coming home. it took 30 years. we waited. we were patient. we've been through a lot. we just want them to be home and be happy again. >> dna evidence uncovered by a state innocence commission had proven this they were innocent and linked sabrina's murder to a known sexual predator with a long criminal history two committed a similar rape and murder in the same town one month after brown and mccollum were arrested. the case raises the kind of questions you'd expect about official coercion and racial basis. brandon garrett, a university of virginia law professor, analyzed 317 cases of people proven innocent by dna in the u.s. 63 cases, 18% involved false
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right now, a world cycling out of control. two americans beheaded. the international community crafting a response. the president with another huge decision to make and the rest of us wondering when did al qaeda get put on the back burner? how can you have a cease-fire when one side said they're not even fighting? that's the line from russia today as the u.s. seeks to draw a new one. >> and a third american now infected with ebola as the same fla atlanta doctors who cured the first time give nbc news a dire diagnosis of what lies ahead. with begin with the strongest comments yet from the president about isis after the beheading of a second american journalist as we come on the air today. he's vowing to destroy the group that many say is more extreme than al qaeda and top level cabinet members are standing right behind him. >> we remain mindful of the possibility that an isil sympathizing perhaps motivated by online propaganda could conduct an attack at home with little or n