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market. democrats have a case why they could create that. >> thank you both. that is all for this evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. in 1987, the new york times magazine did a long profile of democratic senator and presidential hopeful named gary hart. as a senator, he was brilliant, he was brash, very confident. he had a knack for getting himself into the middle of the most important political stories in the country. he was tall and hand some. in the 1988 presidential race, gary hart was going to be a real contender. but there were these persistent rumors about his personal life. specifically about infidelity. the "miami herald" had run an investigative piece linking him to a specific woman in miami,
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but gary hart denied all of these rumors, denied stories like that. when he did that profile with the "new york times" magazine, he told the "new york times" he had nothing to hide. he told them specifically this, quote, follow me around, i don't care. i'm serious, if anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead, they'd be very bored. that's the quote in the dictionary now next to the phrase "tempting fate." people took him up on the offer and this is the picture that derailed his presidential hopes. the picture was published by one of those publications at the check out line, the national enquirer. we don't think of the tabloids as contributing all that much on the journalistic side in our country, but don't tell it to gary hart or john edwards either.
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it's was the national enquirer story that broke his story in 2007. nobody would have believed it but they did the actual investigative work to track down the tact that former vice presidential nominee, john edwards, had not only had an extra marital affair, but he had, despite his denials, fathered a child secretly in that relationship and basically was maintaining a whole, second, secret family. had he been elected vice president, which is not a stretch, i guess the plan was to stash the secret family somewhere? in washington? so he could have access to his public family and the other secret family he didn't think anybody would know about, maybe? what could possibly go wrong? tabloid journalism is tabloid journalism. but sometimes they break real stories. stories that are more important than the celebrity feuds and justin bieber latest car crash.
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the national enquirer is still there next to the sued oaku books, but the tabloid outlet that has largely taken his place in the internet era, taken the enquirer's place at the top of the trashy news heap is the outfit called tmz. when the owner of the l.a. clippers was forced out of the nba, that was because tmz sport published audio tapes that appeared to show that owner using racial slurs and talking disparagingly about black people. that was tmz. in 2009, in the middle of the financial crisis, it was tmz of all places that broke the story about northern trust bank. do you remember this story? northern trust bank took $1.6 billion in a taxpayer-funded bail-out. 1.6 billion with a b. and then just weeks later, that same bank spent millions of dollars to sponsor a lavish
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professional golf event. they flew hundreds of their own employees and their clients across the country for a celebratory dinner party at a ritz carlton, that included a private performance by the band chicago. the following day, the bank rented a private hangar at the santa monica airport to host another dinner, after which earth, wind & fire. then they rented the entire house of blues nightclub for say blow-out dinner and a sheryl crow concert. enjoy the bail-out. taxpayers are happy to help. everybody at the chicago concert got a gift bag from tiffany's. that story was broken by tmz. and so, yes, in the national enquirer and tmz, mostly it's about celebrity feuds, right? and plastic surgery and controversial swimsuits.
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but sometimes tabloid outlets like this, national enquirer before, tmz now, sometimes they break the biggest story in the country. that happened today. there was an altercation involving an nfl player named ray rice and his fiancee. either of them was taken to the hospital, but both of them were initially charged with simple assault by the atlantic city police, which responded to the incident. four days after the incident, tmz sports published this disturbing video, surveillance video apparently taken from the lobby of the hotel, the woman on the ground, being roughly drug out of the elevator, is apparently ray rice's fiancee. he's the figure in the baseball cap. you then she somebody else appear in the frame. although atlantic city police had initially charged both mr. rice and his fiancee in that incident, prosecutors ended up
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dropping all charges against her. and the following month, the incident happened in february, and in march, a grand jury decided to indict him on a very serious charge. they indicted him on third degree aggravated assault, a felony, up to five years in prison. now, as far as we know, ray rice has no previous criminal record. he's not known to have any previous disciplinary problems in the national football league, his employer. he pled not guilty to the aggravated assault charge. he was eligible to enter a diversionary program for first-time offenders. he would have to participate in counselling and stay out of trouble for a year. but if he met the conditions and stuck with the program, ultimately the charge would be wiped off his record. that's how the programs work. at the time, the nfl in may, when he pled, the ravens had him do a press conference, in which he apologized for his behavior. his behavior again had resulted in a felony assault charge and
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him knocking his girlfriend unconscious. right? she was knocked out cold by his hands. but at the end, this press conference in may. it was obviously very serious circumstances, but it was sort of bizarre and emotional press conference. in part because the woman who had been his fiancee when he knocked her out, who was by then, his wife, went through with getting married after the incident and before the press conference. she sat next to him throughout the press conference in may. he basically described them as having some sort of mutual challenge as a couple. having been through some sort of mutual trouble. a at the end of the press conference, after he had spoken, she apologized. >> i just want to first off apologize to steve barb aty, ozzie newsome and coach harbaugh. also want to apologize to my
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fans, to the kids, to everyone who was affected, you know, by the situation that me and my wife were in. i want you to know that i'm still the ray rice that you, you know, know, or used to know, or grown to love. i'm still the same guy, you know. as me and janay wish we could take back 30 seconds of our life, i think my wife has something to say. i don't want to be the only one who -- we were in this together. so, janay, do you have something? >> um, yeah. first, i want to say thank you for all of those who have supported us throughout the situation. i do deeply regret the role that i played in the incident that night. >> that was in may. it was july before the nfl announced what action it would be taking against its employee in this case. they announced mr. rice would be suspended for two games. for context here, ray rice's
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team, the ravens, they played their first game of the season yesterday. they play their second game of the season on thursday of this week. so, had that been the end of it, ray rice would be back on the team less than two weeks into the season and playing ball. but that's not the end of it, because today tmz somehow obtained and published a second tape of this beating at that hotel. the previous tape they released back in february, that had shown the aftermath of the incident. but the tape they released today was apparently shot today by the surveillance camera inside the elevator. and it shows ray rice and his fiancee clearly involved in a confrontation, they're upset with each other. but then unmistakably, he hits her in the face, really hard with his left hand. he punches her in the face so hard, it knocks her out immediately. and it is a terrible thing to see, but this has become the highest profile story about
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domestic violence and violence against women in years in our country. and the reason it's become such a high profile story frankly is the tape. if you do not want to watch the tape, just turn away for a moment. because we'll show it. i feel like, after lots of consideration, i feel like we have to, because it's impossible to tell this story without showing it. the tape shows mr. rice and his fiancee entering the elevator. it shows mr. rice very quickly striking his fiancee. it shows her coming at him, and then it shows him hitting her with a punch from his left hand and knocking her out instantly. it then shows him dragging her seemingly unconscious body out of the elevator. he ends up -- you see the elevator stopped on a floor there. he ends up dragging her out, rearranging her lims, basically. another person approaches the scene at the very end of the video, as he is sort of roughly moving her body around and
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eventuallily shows her seeming to regain consciousness toward the end of this video. so, this is the tape that tmz published today. since it was posted this morning, the football team that ray rice was employed by, ended his contract. the nfl announced in light of this video evidence, they would extend his suspension to be an indefinite one. the nfl and the ravens are insisting publicly they'd never seen the second video before today. the ravens' coach repeated in a press conference tonight, that the team was not aware of the video before today. and as for the league, he said he could not say. >> how come the team wasn't able to see the video until today? >> i have no answer for that. >> do you think the nfl had seen the video before today? >> i don't have any understanding or knowledge of
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that, i don't know. >> were you satisfied with the level of diligence that the organization took to see what occurred on that video? >> absolutely. absolutely. sure. i'm not following where you're going with that. >> i'm just curious why the team wasn't able to see the video sooner. >> i don't know why that would be a hard thing to understand. it wasn't made available. it wasn't there for us. [ inaudible question ] >> as far as i know, yeah. i mean, it wasn't something we ever saw or had access to. >> that's the baltimore ravens' coach, john harbaugh tonight who is apparently the person the nfl thought would be the best spokesperson on this issue for the nation. i should mention that the coach in this press conference talked about how excited he was his team was in yesterday's game and how he's looking forward to playing pittsburgh on thursday. there's a real question as to whether or not it is true, that the nfl had not seen this video today before it was posted on tmz. it had been reported in july at
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sport illustrated's website and also on espn that there was a second video, a surveillance camera video shot from inside the elevator on espn radio back in july, that what was on the video was described in detail. espn radio in july describing the existence of a second tape, saying it showed mr. rice hitting the woman hard and her hiding her head on the rail inside the elevator after she was punched and then became unconscious on the floor. but a detailed description from espn in july is detailed. somebody seems to have seen it well enough to describe exactly what that video showed. if so, if people inside professional football knew about this video before today, knew about the contents of this video before today, then the big press conference, right, the firing
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today, the indefinite suspension today, none of it was because the nfl learned today that this is what transpired in that elevator. it's all actually just because all the rest of us learned today that that's what transpired inside that elevator. remember, all along, since the incident happened, since tmz published the first video, there was never any ambiguity of what happened here. we knew all along he knocked her unconscious in that elevator. the nfl only moved to fire him today once we all saw him do it. and this went from being a tragedy to being a tragedy with apparently really bad pr consequences for a very expensive football league. after the initial uproar about the league giving mr. rice a two-game suspension back in july, the commissioner of the nfl did admit that perhaps the suspension had been too light. perhaps his action, just giving
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him two games, that gave the impression the nfl didn't care about domestic violence as an issue. the commissioner last month announced new guidelines for stricter penalties. two more nfl players have now been arrested in domestic violence cases. a wide receiver on the practice squad with the jets. he was arrested in new jersey, august 31st. the same day, a san francisco 49er was arrested as well on another domestic violence charge. the punishment for those players is yet to be determined. it's hard not to wonder whether the punishment will depend on tmz or the national enquirer publishing some cell phone video of what happened. this week marks the 20th anniversary of the passage of the violence against women act, which beefed up investigation and prosecution of crimes against women. this month marks the arrival of the one really big thick monthly
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edition of the magazine "vogue." apparently september is when fall fashions come out. so september is really a big thick magazine, the advertising is very expensive in the issue because they can sell so much of it. in this month's "vogue" magazine, the nfl has bought a four-page spread of full-color ads, trying to make the nfl appeal more to women. i think we've got close-ups of the ads there. together we make football fierce. together we make football stunning. together we make football fashionable. together we make football captivating. see the one on the right there? he's captivating her. today as this story breaks, in the opening week of the nfl. the richest and most monopolistically dominant cultural institution that we
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have in our country, as the story becomes the most talked about story in the country. a good part of the country is hiding behinds its hands, unwilling to watch a video this upsetting. another part of the country apparently sees this as one tabloid story among many. look where it broke, on tmz, maybe there's a funny side to this thing. here's how they covered this story on fox & friends on the fox news channel. the host of the program showed the video, the same one we just showed you. they watched it in the studio and here's how they wrapped up their discussion and moved on. >> i think the message is, take the stairs. >> the message is, when you're in an elevator, there's a camera. >> yeah, guys, don't be an idiot, cover up the camera next time. >> the nfl was ready to have ray rice still in its ememploy and back on the field next week before this tape was published
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by tmz today. do we get better as a country or worse as a country at confronting domestic violence? do we get better or worse at handling that problem as a nation when that violence happens under the lights of the most potent institution that we have as a country? what happens next? joining us, sports reporter for the "new york times." thanks so much for being with us. i appreciate your time tonight. >> you're welcome. >> so when john harbaugh held this press conference, about an hour ago, he said about the new video, it's something we saw for the first time today, it changed things, of course. it made things a little different. why did seeing the video change the course of this story so dramatically when we knew the outcome of the assault even before seeing the video? >> it changed the course of the baltimore ravens and the nfl for sure, because they finally had to do something about it. they were pressured into doing something about it, because the whole world saw exactly what happened in that elevator.
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even though they had already, if they looked into it at all, everyone would have known exactly what happened on that elevator based on the facts the police had brought forward and the short video tmz had published early on, showing ray rice drag his fiancee out. having it on video really hit it home, so to speak, to so many people and the nfl was pressured into doing something about it. which is really sad for the nfl and should be embarrassing for the nfl that they needed a video and people tweeting to them and making comments on our website. we had a thousand comments on the news story that ran today, saying how ridiculous it was they gave him two months -- sorry, two-game suspension early on, that they should have done more, much more quickly. >> it's hard to talk about the nfl without understanding what a juggernaut they are, both culturally and economically.
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there's really nothing else in american, you know, sort of sports, that competes in the nfl in terms of his dominance in its own field, in terms of how economically huge it is, as an engine in the sports and entertainment world. i mean, what does make them move? obviously, the problem of domestic violence among players and the problem of, in fact some other criminal involvement by players ais never enough to mov them in the past. is it the fear of lost revenue? is it bad pr? >> it's pr more broadly, but it's the fear of lost revenue. who lets them buy the tickets, who lets their husbands go to the game on sundays? right now they're very sensitive about how the nfl is seen to be treating women. which is seemingly kind of ridiculous after the nfl commissioner, roger goodell gave
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ray rice such a pitiful two-game suspension. you wouldn't think they care about what women think of them. now they're taking out ads in women's magazines, they care about women so much and together we're making a great form of entertainment for the world. it's kind of a joke when you think about it. like i said, this is an embarrassing moment for the nfl. perhaps the most embarrassing moment in the history of the league. and we don't know if the nfl commissioner had seen the videotape, or if the ravens had seen the videotape, but from my perspective, i don't think it matters. the facts are out there, ray rice had punched his fiancee unconscious. he was charged with the crime, and nobody did anything about it that really meant anything. and the nfl has a huge effect on people in this country, whether it's children, other players, guys and women that watch the games on sunday. if they came out and fired -- if the ravens fired ray rice immediately or if the nfl had a
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stricter nfl domestic violence policy back then, it would have made a huge impact just around the world really. >> do you think it's possible roger goodell will be basically in trouble because of this? that the owners may decide or the nfl may decide more broadly that his initial decision, the two-game suspension, was the original sin here after mr. rice's behavior, that maybe mr. goodell is going to be in need of a new job? >> i think a lot of people are calling for him to step down right now, because of the humongous gaffe that he's already gone. but i think we have to watch what happens over the next days and months about the other players, how he treats the other players who have already been charged with domestic violence. like you said earlier, there have been two of them that have been charged. how he treats those players, how he moves forward and gets himself out of that massive hole that is really unprecedented. >> thank you very much for being with us to help us understand
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of august and then some. but they have now had to come back to d.c. to work for a few days. boring. that said, there is a lot to do. and, right away, on the new "meet the press" yesterday, the debut of chuck todd, president obama announced he would do a major address to the nation this week about isis and about what he wants to fight that militant group in iraq and syria. the speech is going to be on wednesday, the day after tomorrow. we don't know if it's going to be a speech during the day, or a primetime address. the white house says it also intends to hold intensive briefings this week for every single person serving in congress. now, tomorrow the president himself is due to meet directly with the leadership from both houses of congress to talk with them about isis. then on wednesday, the white house will hold a classified briefing for all 100 members of the united states senate. the following day on thursday, they'll do a classified briefing
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on ice us for all 435 members of the house. it's always fun on those days to see which members of congress leave in the middle of the briefing to go do tv interviews in which they claim they're not getting briefed enough. i'm looking at you, john mccain. but the meetings between the congressional leadership, the classified briefings of the entire congress, those are the signals of a major political effort in washington to basically try to get the whole of the u.s. government, if not on board, then at least on the same page, when it comes to the president's proposals right now for how to fight isis. the plans for a presidential address to the nation the day after tomorrow, that's an effort to get not just the government but the whole country on the same page about strategy against isis as well. and all of this political and diplomatic work here at home, it all happens in the midst of an intense international effort by the administration to try to get the rest of the world on the
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same page. not just about the necessity to combat this group isis, but to do so in a coordinated international way so different countries aren't working at cross purposes when it comes to try to stop this group. in particular, the administration wants involvement from countries with big sunni populations. they also particularly want and need participation from countries that are in the immediate neighborhood of the threat posed by isis. countries including not just iraq and syria where the group is based, but also countries like turkey and jordan and saudi arabia and qatar. they want those countries to be seen as helping lead the international response. so it's not just the west against the muslims. it's the world against isis. and nowhere nearby to offer them any safe haven or support. so the diplomatic effort around this is intense, right? this is a very big diplomatic aim, this is a big ask of
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countries that do not like having big things asked of them publicly, particularly when it's the u.s. doing the asking. but there was a development on that front today. members of the arab league, a group of 22 countries, they signed on to a resolution in support of immediate measures to combat isis. that's a big deal because they're the arab league. even with that advance, that leaves the tough work of negotiating individual commitments from the countries that could play a key role against isis. particularly, the nation of turkey. they've turned out to be a key player for the obama administration. a senior official tells reporters today, quote, turkey, by the fact offas geography is inevitably a partner. it won't work without turkey. when you look at a map, you can see why that geographic in inefitability is so. turkey has served as a point of transit for fighters trying to
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join us with isis in syria and iraq. they cross over from turkey. the u.s. wants turkey to stop that, to crack down to militants crossing their border. if turkey was on board with a broader strategy, they could provide a key launching point for military action, especially if there was to be a u.s. campaign for air strikes. turkey is critically important here. turkey, for its part, has been hesitant to take a stand for or against isis. especially since isis militants are currently holding 49 turkish citizens hostage after a raid on a consulate in june. turkey is trying very hard to avoid becoming the next target of isis. but the u.s. is trying to get them on board. chuck hagel landed in turkey's capital to meet with the turkish president, and this the first
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time a u.s. defense secretary has visited turkey in three years. the purpose of the trip is really to see how far they are willing to go to assist in a u.s.-led coalition. one of the reasons that's been hard to figure out so far is because we, as a country, don't have an ambassador to turkey. really? with all this going on in the world. no, we don't have an ambassador to turkey. thank you, congress. president obama nominated a long-time career diplomat named john bass, way back in june, a very non-controversial appointment. but since then, his nomination has sat in the senate along with dozens of other ambassador nominations, leaving all of these hot spots around the world without an ambassador. for no reason than the fact that this congress cannot get it together. the obama administration, realizing how important it is to get a fix for the american government on the ground right there, the obama administration has taken the remarkable step to
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send a temporary ambassador to turkey while it tries to get a full-time one. they sent ross wilson. but again, he's a place holder, his appointment is only temporary and he only just got back to the region this past saturday. so the president is going to roll out his strategy to defeat isis this week. turkey will be key for that strategy. we have a huge ask of that country and we have nobody to ask. we have no permanent ambassador there. it's one thing to talk about the world being a mess. it's another thing to say that congress being a mess makes the world being a mess an impenetrable mess. the congress have set a new bar in this particular area. you may remember, before the senate began his break in july, the senate was shamed into finally confirming an ambassador to russia after months of not having one, and us having this huge stand-off with russia.
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because lanes were closed down on the world's busiest bridge on what appears to have been the orders of a top official in the administration of new jersey governor chris christie. national democrats marked the anniversary of the bridge shutdown with a press conference at the bridge. also a new ad campaign about the scandal and its implications for chris christie. the closing down of those lanes on that bridge is still under investigation by federal prosecutors one year later. we don't know much about the investigation except that it extends to governor christie himself and it's not over. again, it's a very opaque process. what we can see in new jersey in the meantime is this. on friday new jersey got its credit rating downgraded again. again! specifically over governor christie's handling of new jersey state finances. governor christie would be republican standard bearer for the nation has presided over seven downgrades since he's been
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refuses to do, and fix as much of our immigration system as we can. if congress will not do their job, at least we can do ours. i expect the recommendations before the end of the summer, and i intend to adopt those recommendations without further delay. >> that was president obama speaking in june. since the president set that end of the summer deadline for himself, immigration reform groups have been lobbying the president to go big on immigration reform and he's going to act on his own, he should do it in a very significant way. republicans on the other hand have campaigned against the president's promise. casting his end of the summer deadline as proof that this is a president who governs by fiat and acts beyond his authority. as recently as friday, the president said that him doing as much as he could on immigration would be the right thing to do for the country. he reiterated that point on friday, but then on saturday morning, the white house
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announced that president obama had decided to put off his end of the summer pledge. they now say he will not act until after the elections in november. with control of the u.s. senate in the balance, democrats say they're worried about action by president obama now would cost them key senate races in red states like arkansas, north carolina, and louisiana and alaska. white house officials are arguing that if the democrats lose the senate over immigration, they'll not be able to get votes for immigration reform basically ever. they say, yes, this is a political calculation, but they say this is practical politics. they're trying to preserve the chance for reform by congress at some later date. they think they would destroy that chance if the president acted now before the election. are they right in that calculation? and regardless of whether they are right, how are they going to deal with how mad they have made everyone who favors immigration reform by reneging on this very clear promise made not that long ago?
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jose, thanks for being here, nice to see you. >> good evening, rachel. what a pleasure. >> what do you think of the calculation as it is being explained by the white house? it's not just that they want to hold on to those senate seats and they think the president's actions would be unpopular in those states, they think if the president acted, it would foreclose the possibility of reform through congress any time in the near future. do you buy that? >> rachel, let me tell you, go back to my reading of medieval theology in the 14th century british mystic who wrote "the cloud of unknowing," there seems to be a cloud unknowing, for me at least, on what the logic is, between the president being so forceful in june, announcing that he will take unilateral action to deal with a system that everybody agrees is broken. the left and the right both say immigration is broken. the house had the opportunity this year to deal with it. there were people on both sides
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of the aisle that were willing to handle this very difficult situation, and they punted. and they punted for strictly political expediency. then, the president says, well, if you people aren't going to do the job you're paid to do, i'm going to have to step up for the nation's betterment, and deal with it. and i'm going to do it before the end of the summer. and that's what really, to me, is something i can't understand why he would say that, if he wasn't already willing to do just that. because, the crisis on the border that started last october, was already going on. the elections in november were already coming. and so, what is it that one can gain by doing this after being so forceful on the announcement? the only thing i can think of, rachel, is that the democrats in the senate and in the house, behind closed doors, were very forceful to the president not to act. there were only a handful of
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them. as you know, the senator from minnesota, the senator from florida, who publicly said it would be a good thing if the president kept his powder dry until after the elections. but i'm pretty sure a lot of other people weren't willing to give their face and take the heat by asking the president to do something that i am certain he is ready to do, and he wants to do. >> are the democrats not giving enough consideration to, not just the potential negative effect of doing this politically, but the potential positive effect had the president done something? they keep citing the example of the assault weapons ban in 1994 and saying that really motivated right-wing voters who might not have turned out, to come out and vote against democrats. you could say maybe there's a similar dynamic at work on immigration, maybe in some states. but what's different about this than in a gun-control issue, this potentially has a chance to galvanize democratic base voters to goose latino turn-out at a
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time when democrats are trying to come up with anything they can to boost turn-out in an election. are they underplaying the possibility of that? >> i don't know. but i think that in 2014, the gamble is that the latino electorate will not be big enough in the key areas, in the key races right now, where this issue could make a difference. so, taking colorado out of the equation, there are probably very few states in 2014 that will be affected by lower than normal latino participation. and i do think if you're looking at this strictly politically, not putting into the mix that there are more than 1,000 deportations in this country every single day. deportations like a young man on the morning show, it's a cheap plug for my show, but i really do think we want to talk about luis, a guatemalan man who is in
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a church in arizona where he's sought refuge. he's been here six, seven years, has family in this country, and he is facing deportation. so, if we remove that aspect, the humanitarian aspect of a thousand people being deported every single day, a thousand people being deported thunderstorm. maybe 60 or 70,000 people depart ported by the time the president decides to act on this issue. if you remove that, then maybe by the time you get to 2016, and there will be another candidate that won't be barack obama running for president, then maybe what happened today is not going to be as well remembered. >> jose diaz balart, as he said, 10 on the east coast, 7 on the west coast. thanks for staying up late with us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thanks so much. still ahead, some scott brown news, and a very exciting
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>> there's a state in the country that has two women u.s. senators, a state that also has two members of the house, and they also are both women. and that same state also has a governor who is a woman. the entire congressional delegation and the governorship
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are all held by women in the great state of new hampshire. but one former fashion model is trying to change that. scott brown is on track tomorrow to win the republican nomination for u.s. senate in new hampshire, and then the polls say that will put him on track to lose that race for senate in the general election to the incumbe incumbent. if the polls are right and it goes that way in the primary and the general, that will mean that scott brown will make history. he will be, if it goes the way the polling says it's going to go, scott brown will be the first person of the male persuasion to have lost two u.s. senate races both to women. good luck, sir. "time" magazine points out that potential historic achievement in a reported piece for "time," which also reports on a strange strategy he's trying in new hampshire in an effort to reduce the 14-point margin by which he's losing female voters to his
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opponent. to make that up, his idea is to give out trophies to women, little plaques with engrafeping on them all in cursive, because women love cursive. this woman really only wanted to meet with scott brown to talk with health care costs in her business, but he showed up with a plaque for her, naming her a women for scott brown hero, he took a picture with her and the plaque, then sent out a press release about the award he was bestowing on this woman. she appears to be mystified. that's the latest from scott brown where the candidate is winning over the lady voters of new hampshire, one trophy at a time. how long could it take? the primary of new hampshire is one of five being held tomorrow. tomorrow's the last primary day before the november election. tomorrow's the last primary. new york, massachusetts, delaware, new hampshire, and rhode island all voting tomorrow. we should basically know tomorrow who's going to be
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running in the general election on election night in november. we'll have all the results for you in tomorrow's primaries right here, same bat time, same bat channel. >> that's right. rachel maddow show turned old enough to go to kindergarten.

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